AbCellera Biologics Inc. (ABCL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 10, 2026
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Operator
operatorGood afternoon, and welcome to the ABCL635 Phase II Clinical Update. My name is Jonathan, and I will facilitate the audio portion of today's interactive broadcast. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Tryn Stimart, Chief Legal and Compliance Officer. You may proceed.
Tryn Stimart
executiveGood morning, good afternoon, and good evening, everyone. I am Tryn Stimart, AbCellera's Chief Legal and Compliance Officer. We are pleased to welcome you to AbCellera's conference call to discuss our Phase II top line data for ABCL635. Speaking on the call today are Carl Hansen, AbCellera's President and Chief Executive Officer; Sarah Noonberg, AbCellera's Chief Medical Officer; and Dr. Kelsey Mills, an obstetrician and gynecologist specializing in complex menopause care. During this call, we may make forward-looking statements based on our current expectations and in accordance with the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These include statements regarding the therapeutic potential, safety profile and regulatory pathway for ABCL635. Our statements are subject to a number of risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described. Please review the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K and subsequent 10-Q filings with the SEC for a more detailed discussion of these risks. AbCellera assumes no obligations to update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after today's date. Our presentation today, our press release and our SEC filings are available on our Investor Relations website. The information we provide about ABCL635 is intended for the investment community and is not promotional. As we transition to our prepared remarks, please note that this call is being recorded and will be available for replay on our Investor Relations website. After our prepared remarks, we will open the lines for questions and answers. With that, I will turn the call over to Carl.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveThanks, Tryn, and good morning, everyone. I have to say that we are more than excited to share our top line 4-week data for the Phase II study of ABCL635 in the treatment of moderate-to-severe hot flashes. As I said on last week's earnings call, coming into this readout, we were defining success as comparable efficacy to small molecules, improved safety profile that eliminated the need for liver monitoring and a more convenient once-monthly self-injection dosing regimen. With this product profile, we believe ABCL635 has potential to be a blockbuster product. The top line results, which were released this morning, exceed our target product profile and the efficacy data is beyond even the most aggressive upside scenario we had dared to consider. With this readout, we now view ABCL635 as a potential best-in-class nonhormonal therapy with strong differentiation against approved NK3R competitors across all important dimensions, including efficacy, safety and dosing convenience. It is exceedingly rare to see Phase II data that are so clearly positive and differentiated. Given the large observed effect sizes and the overwhelmingly significant statistics, we believe ABCL635 is now a highly derisked program. Most importantly, these data present an opportunity to really move the needle on care and to develop a product that offers a profound benefit to patients suffering from VMS. In particular, we believe ABCL635 has potential to capture a large share of 2 key markets, including the nonhormonal treatment of hot flashes associated with menopause and the treatment of hot flashes arising from hormone deprivation used in cancer therapy. It is estimated that more than 12 million women in the U.S. experience moderate-to-severe hot flashes, of which more than half or 6 million will seek treatment. Menopause hormone therapy, which is an effective treatment and currently the standard of care is unsuitable for at least an estimated 20% of these women because of contraindications, tolerability and other factors. Therefore, we believe there are approximately 1.2 million women in the U.S. alone who will seek relief from safe and effective non-hormonal treatments. Assuming only price parity with approved small molecule NK3R antagonist, this would correspond to a total addressable U.S. market of at least $6 billion annually. From this base estimate, we see a large upside potential for a highly differentiated product that offers improved efficacy, safety and convenience. This upside includes higher pricing, adoption in ex U.S. markets and broader use by patients who either choose not to use hormone therapy or who get only partial relief from hormone therapy. In addition to VMS associated with menopause, we believe there is a smaller but comparable opportunity for treatment of VMS in patients undergoing hormone deprivation therapy during cancer -- hormone deprivation during cancer therapy. This includes patients being treated with androgen deprivation therapy in prostate cancer and patients treated with tamoxifen or aromatase inhibitors in breast cancer. We estimate there are approximately 500,000 patients being treated for breast and prostate cancers in the U.S. alone. Ultimately, the impact and the commercial success of a product depends on how well it meets the needs of patients and how it fits into the reality of medical practice on the front lines. Today, we are pleased to have Dr. Kelsey Mills on the call. Dr. Mills is a world-recognized leader in menopause and women's health, a clinical associate professor at the University of British Columbia, a Board member of the Canadian Menopause Society and a practicing OB/GYN with deep expertise and specialization in complex menopause treatment. She was not an investigator on our trial, but we have invited her to share her expert perspective on the current treatment landscape and the unmet need in VMS. Dr. Mills?
Kelsey Mills
attendeeThank you, Carl, and good morning, everyone. I think everybody on this call today is aware that menopause is an incredible opportunity in the health space, but that it is not just a moment, but we are seeing this as a movement in women's health. And I would argue that menopause is likely one of the most important and urgent aspects in women's health at this time. What we see from a clinical perspective at the current time is that our historical nonhormonal options for treatment of vasomotor symptoms and other menopausal symptoms are now not generally supported by global guidelines. So we have the exception of a few small molecules and antidepressants for treatment of patients. And there is a considerable unmet need in my patients who can't, won't or shouldn't take systemic hormones to treat their symptoms. Vasomotor symptoms and sleep disruption are the 2 most ubiquitous symptoms in the midlife, and these can have incredible and far-reaching implications on a woman's mood, ability to maintain her weight, sexual function, metabolic health, cardiovascular disease risk and more. And I have a tremendous number of patients in my practice who have had a breast cancer or other estrogen receptor positive cancer or other medical complications such as heart disease, stroke, history of blood clot or simply failure to respond to menopausal hormone therapy. And so I'm left with these women who are looking for better treatment options. We do have 2 FDA-approved small molecules, but these come with considerable side effects, very cumbersome monitoring programs or as some of my patients have found lack of effect. So I am truly excited to join this call today as an academic menopause physician, and I am very excited about the opportunity of a novel agent and what it could mean for my patients in my practice who currently have a significant unmet need in their menopause care. I'm really pleased to be here, and I'm happy to answer clinical questions, but I'll now turn the call back to Carl.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveThank you so much, Dr. Mills. We really appreciate your perspective on the clinical need and the current treatment landscape for women and for practitioners. I'll now turn the call over to Sarah, who can walk us through the data for ABCL635. Sarah?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveThank you, Carl. It's a pleasure to present the Phase II data on ABCL635, which has markedly exceeded our expectations and target product profile. We believe these data support the potential for ABCL635 to have a best-in-class efficacy and safety profile and may help countless women with challenging menopausal symptoms. As a reminder, our Phase II study was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study in postmenopausal patients experiencing moderate-to-severe VMS. The planned sample size was 80 patients, but due to high patient interest, we wound up overenrolling by 15% to a sample size of 92 patients. Eligibility criteria were designed to be highly comparable to registrational studies of fezolinetant and elinzanetant with the exception of the upper age range, which we increased to 75 years from 65 years based on feedback from our clinical advisers. Study endpoints included VMS frequency, severity, patient-reported outcomes, safety and pharmacokinetics. Efficacy analyses used the intent-to-treat population of all 92 patients and MMRM methodology was used for the majority of efficacy endpoints. Our predefined efficacy analyses occurred at 4 weeks, although patients continue to be followed for 12 weeks for safety, PK and to support exposure response analysis. Patients were randomized 1:1 to receive a single dose of ABCL635 at a dose of 600 milligrams subcutaneously or matching placebo. The dose of 600 milligrams ABCL635 was chosen after a review of our safety, PK and target engagement data from our Phase I study. Patients in both active and placebo groups have the option to receive an open-label dose of ABCL635 after the 12-week follow-up visit. Overall, the ABCL635 and placebo groups were well matched with respect to clinically important demographic and baseline characteristics. Additionally, these characteristics were generally similar to prior registrational studies of the approved small molecules with the exception of a slightly higher mean age compared to both elinzanetant and fezolinetant Phase III programs and a somewhat lower mean VMS frequency at baseline compared to the elinzanetant Phase III study. As expected for the indication, the majority of patients enrolled in the study assess their vasomotor symptoms as either severe or very severe on the patient Global Impression of Severity score and both groups had a mean frequency of approximately 10 moderate or severe VMS events per day. The PROMIS SD-SF-8b is a patient-reported outcome scale for sleep disturbance and the baseline values of approximately 59 and 57 indicate a greater degree of sleep disturbance than a reference population. One of our key efficacy endpoints was an evaluation of the frequency of moderate or severe VMS events, which are recorded by patients daily and analyzed as mean values over a 1-week period. This slide shows the effect of ABCL635 plotted as change from baseline values using both the primary MMRM analysis, which included values from weeks 2, 3 and 4 as well as a prespecified sensitivity MMRM analysis that included week 1 values as well. At the 4-week time point, the ABCL635 group had an impressive mean reduction of 8.8 events per day compared to a mean reduction of 3.5 events per day in the placebo group, representing a placebo-adjusted treatment difference of 5.3 events. The benefit on VMS was seen early with a significant treatment difference of 2.6 events at week 1 and increased over time. When the same data are expressed as a percent change from baseline, the ABCL635 group experienced an 83% reduction from baseline in daily events compared to a 33% reduction in the placebo group or a placebo-adjusted treatment difference of 50%. These VMS frequency data compare very favorably to data from the approved small molecule NK3R antagonist. Notably, the benefit of ABCL635 was highly consistent across subgroup analyses and the data were robust to a variety of sensitivity analyses. Another key efficacy endpoint was an evaluation of the severity of VMS, which is reported on a 3-point scale, representing mild, moderate and severe events. This slide shows the effect of ABCL635 plotted as change from baseline values using both the primary MMRM analysis and the sensitivity MMRM analysis. At the 4-week time point, mean severity scores decreased by 1.4 points in the ABCL635 group versus 0.3 points for the placebo group for a placebo-adjusted treatment difference of 1.1 points. A significant benefit was observed as early as week 1 and was consistent across subgroup and sensitivity analyses. When expressed as a percent change from baseline, the ABCL635 group experienced a 58% mean reduction in severity from baseline compared to a 12% mean reduction in the placebo group for a placebo-adjusted treatment difference of 46%. These data also compare very favorably to data from the approved small molecule MK3R antagonist. A more intuitive way of looking at the impact of ABCL635 on VMS severity is seen on this graph of absolute severity scores over time. As mentioned, at baseline, both treatment groups had mean severity scores of 2.4, which is indicative of a mixture of predominantly moderate and severe events. By Week 4, the mean severity in the ABCL635 group had improved to a score of 1, which is indicative of mild events, whereas the placebo group, the severity scores were 2.1, which were still indicative of moderate events. By definition, mild events refer to brief sensations of heat that don't involve sweating or interrupt activities, whereas moderate events involve sweating, which are not only noticeable to others, but are distracting and can impact normal functioning. While the previous analyses looked at mean change over time for VMS frequency and severity, another valuable way to look at the data involves cumulative distribution plots, which allow you to evaluate the full range of treatment effects in the study population. In these plots, the X-axis represent the treatment effect on VMS frequency and severity and the Y-axis are the percent of patients experiencing at least that level of treatment effect. Looking at the cumulative distribution plot on VMS frequency and associated table on the left, you can see that 37% of ABCL635 patients had complete or 100% resolution of moderate-to-severe events compared to 2.2% of placebo patients. To our knowledge, comparable levels of complete resolution of moderate-to-severe events has not been reported for any nonhormonal VMS treatment. Furthermore, nearly 61% of ABCL635 patients had at least a 90% improvement from baseline in the number of moderate or severe events compared to 8.7% of placebo patients. Similarly, impressive benefits were observed on cumulative distribution plots for severity as well as shown to the right. While vasomotor symptoms are the most common symptoms of menopause, sleep disturbances are also a major source of distress for women. Sleep was evaluated using the PROMIS sleep disturbance short form survey that evaluates 8 different aspects of sleep over the preceding 7 days. On this scale, ABCL635 patients had a roughly 9-point improvement in sleep at week 4 compared to a 3.5 point improvement in placebo patients, leading to a placebo-adjusted treatment difference of 5.5 points. It's noteworthy that improvements were observed across each of the 8 aspects of the study that are listed on this slide, including difficulty falling asleep, difficulty staying asleep, restlessness and overall satisfaction with sleep. Another important outcome measure in this study was the Patient Global Impression of Change, or PGIC, which is often used to determine whether a change on a given endpoint is clinically meaningful to a patient. The instrument is a 7-point scale that asks patients to rate their vasomotor symptoms compared to the start of the study with options ranging from much worse to much better. The results of the PGIC at Week 4 are shown on this slide and clearly reflects that ABCL635 treatment had a major impact on patient symptoms. At Week 4, 71% of ABCL635 patients reported their symptoms as much better, the highest possible score available to them compared to 16% of placebo patients. and 84% of ABCL635 patients reported their symptoms as much better or moderately better compared to 27% of placebo patients. Importantly, at 4 weeks, no ABCL635 patients reported their symptoms as worse than prior to the study and only one single patient reported their symptoms as unchanged. By contrast, in the placebo group, more than 40% of patients reported their symptoms as worse or unchanged compared to the start of the study. Turning to safety data. ABCL635 demonstrated a favorable tolerability profile in this data set. This slide summarizes adverse events reported in at least 2 patients in either treatment group regardless of relationship and occurring during the first 4 weeks of treatment. While overall, there were a numerically higher number of patients with at least 1 adverse event in the ABCL635 group compared with the placebo group, there were no serious or severe adverse events in the ABCL635 group compared to 1 placebo patient with a serious adverse event and 2 placebo patients with severe adverse events. Similar to our data in the Phase I study, ABCL635 was associated with an increased incidence of headache, although the majority of events were rated as mild and transient in both treatment groups. Fatigue was also reported more often in the ABCL635 group, but all events in the active group were rated as mild. Surprisingly, we didn't see any evidence of gastrointestinal toxicity in the study despite it being consistently reported with the 2 approved small molecules. There was a lower incidence of nausea in the ABCL635 group and no events of diarrhea or abdominal pain compared to multiple patients reporting these events in the placebo group. There was one adverse event of increased transaminases in the ABCL635 group. The event was reported as mild occurring at week 3 and resolved without intervention by week 4. AST and ALT levels were roughly 2.5x the upper limit of normal with maximum values of AST of 92 and ALT of 66. The investigator assessed the event as unrelated to treatment. While not reported as an adverse event, there was also 1 placebo patient with moderately elevated liver function test and a history of NASH at baseline who experienced an ALT increase to 121 or 3x the upper limit of normal during the 4-week period. The study participant has had ALT fluctuations throughout the study period that are in line with her medical history. Looking closer at liver safety during the 4-week period, there were no liver safety signals observed in ALT, AST or bilirubin laboratory values over time. The dotted lines reflect the upper limits of normal, so the mean values continue to be reassuring. While we realize the limitations of cross-trial comparison, we felt it was valuable to show the treatment effect on our primary efficacy endpoints of VMS frequency and severity relative to data collected similarly at 4 weeks from the registrational studies of fezolinetant and elinzanetant. On the frequency endpoint, our placebo-adjusted treatment effect of 5.3 fewer moderate or severe VMS per day is considerably larger than the 2.1 to 3.3 events seen in those Phase III studies. And if we normalize by baseline frequency of events, this difference is even larger, particularly in comparison to elinzanetant. An even greater difference in treatment effect is observed in VMS severity with a roughly 3.5 to fivefold greater benefit compared to the registrational studies of fezolinetant and elanzanetant. So with these Phase II data, we are enthusiastic about the potential for ABCL635 to differentiate itself as a potential best-in-class non-hormonal treatment for VMS. In summary, our Phase II data demonstrated statistically significant and clinically important reductions in both VMS frequency and severity after a single 600-milligram dose of ABCL635. We observed significant improvement in sleep disturbances and associated vasomotor symptom burden, and ABCL635 has demonstrated a favorable tolerability profile with no clinically meaningful liver or gastrointestinal safety signals observed to date. We look forward to presenting additional data at major medical conferences later this year, along with completion of the 12-week follow-up portion of the study to support optimal dose selection. These data will then form the basis for regulatory discussions on late-stage development plans in VMS, whether it be due to naturally occurring menopause or a result of hormone-suppressing cancer therapies. I'll end this presentation on a personal note by saying that both as a menopausal aged woman and as an internal medicine physician, it is a true privilege to be advancing a therapy to address such a common, important and often overlooked and undertreated cause of diminished quality of life. And with that, I'd like to ask Dr. Mills to provide her perspective on what this data may mean for her patients.
Kelsey Mills
attendeeThank you, Sarah. I think that when I first viewed this data, my honest impression was, wow. But I would say that I am tremendously excited to review the data for ABCL635. And I am most influenced by the incredible efficacy and the likely outperformance of the existing small molecules that are the current treatment options in this space. In terms of what my patients would feel would matter for them, the lack of GI side effects seen in these studies is very significant because that's one of the major reasons why patients will discontinue use of the small molecules. I think that when I'm prescribing medication for menopausal women who already suffer from the considerable mental load of being a woman in the midlife that we all recognize that remembering to take pills or dealing with patch-changing schedules can be very challenging and often lead to side effects or lack of compliance or adherence or discontinuation. So I think ease of use of this singular dose is really special in this program. Of course, the lack of required monitoring in terms of liver signal is very important as a practicing physician. We acknowledge that currently managing patients on fezolinetant with a significantly cumbersome liver enzyme monitoring schedule is a challenge definitely for patients and the clinicians who follow them. I was also quite influenced by the PGIC scoring, which to me is so much stronger than the patient perspectives in the small molecule trials. And so I was really excited to review this data just recently. But I think the thing that stuck with me the most is I have yet to see the idea of complete resolution of VMS symptoms in moderate to severely impacted women. And to have that in 37% of the study population was an overwhelming take-home point for me. And there are many patients for whom menopausal hormone therapy can't perform that well. So for me, I see this as a possible best-in-class non-hormonal treatment. And I know that my patients who aren't candidates or who aren't getting good effect from standard nonhormonals or even hormonal therapies would be really excited to hear about the next steps from this program. So thank you so much, and I'll turn the call back over to Carl.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveThank you so much, Dr. Mills. With that, we will be happy to take questions from the phones. Operator?
Operator
operatorYour first question comes from the line of Evan Seigerman from BMO.
Evan Seigerman
analystReally congrats on the data. So as we think about moving this program forward, how are you going to take this great 4-week data and design a comprehensive Phase III program that mitigates the risk so you can produce something as impressive and hopefully get this to patients in need.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveThanks, Evan. We are still digesting this data. And so I think our next steps will be to collect the 12-week data to have robust discussions with our advisers. And I think the strength of this data set really opens up a wide variety of possibilities of how we might take this forward into Phase III studies to truly maximize the value of the assets and make sure that 635 is able to demonstrate its differentiation potential. So this is something that we're going to be discussing in quite a bit of detail over the coming weeks and as well with our regulatory agencies in the U.S. and abroad. I'd also just like to point out that this study data, the data quality was excellent. And thanks to our terrific clinical operations team, our data compliance is about 98.5% with patients filling in the diary. And it just shows how training sites and following closely and really having good relationships with the investigators, choosing your sites well can really result in high-quality data, and that's something that we will then take forward those learnings into Phase III.
Evan Seigerman
analystFollow-up, I guess, kind of what do you think the single most important factor that really gives you confidence that you'll be able to replicate this data in a Phase III trial. I know it's that impressive, but what about this data set really stands out to you as you move forward?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveI would say what really stands out is the magnitude of the effect size, the consistency across orthogonal endpoints that are looking at the MS symptom, overall burden, perceptibility to patients. Obviously, the treatment effect is large. And we've learned a lot from the approved small molecules conducting these studies as well as our own experience, and we plan to take these learnings moving forward.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Stephen Willey from Stifel.
Stephen Willey
analystCongrats on some pretty exceptional data. Curious, maybe just to kind of follow up on the prior question. And again, I know you're still kind of evaluating everything. But how do these data just kind of change the scope of the Phase III development program that you're thinking about and whether or not you would contemplate a superiority study in menopausal VMS? And then also just curious if these data change, if at all, the way that you're thinking about this asset strategically? And I just have a quick follow-up for Dr. Mills.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveIn terms of our Phase III design, as I've mentioned, we are thinking deeply about various possibilities. Our baseline plan was to conduct a Phase III program very similar to the approved small molecules. I think the strength of this data makes us consider whether we might do a head-to-head study. That's not something that we have made any kind of decisions on. It's a complicated decision. But those decisions weren't really part of our landscape as we were thinking about our target product profile of just an efficacy bar that was comparable to the approved small molecule. So I think we have to digest this data a little bit more, talk with our advisers, do some powering calculations. And I think we'll be able to get back to you later this year, particularly after we get our full 12-week data set, and we have some regulatory discussions with our Phase III studies. But it's obviously a high priority to, as I said, maximize the value of this asset and make sure that it can clearly differentiate itself amongst the competition.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveAnd Steve, I'll just add a comment on the strategy side. So I would characterize this as early and resounding success on exactly the strategy that we've been playing out over the past many years. So building a platform with the ability to solve really tough discovery problems, trying to be very thoughtful about our choices in where we develop, looking for high conviction science for differentiation for large unmet need. And then to come out of the gate and on the first program to get data like this that is so compellingly positive is a terrific tailwind for us moving forward. It also means that we will prioritize ABCL635. Once you have one on the hook, you definitely don't let it go. At the same time, we're not backing off on the rest of the pipeline. And AbCellera is by no means a single asset company, and we intend to do our best to deliver on this again. We've now set a pretty high bar, but we're feeling pretty excited about what's there.
Stephen Willey
analystAppropriately so. And then for Dr. Mills, just a quick question. Just curious how sleep score improvements kind of as a driver of -- as a driver of prescribing decisions when you're considering VEOZAH versus Lynkuet? And just how important of a variable is that for patients?
Kelsey Mills
attendeeThank you for the question. Sleep is of paramount importance to perimenopausal and menopausal women. So when we have PROMIS scoring that looks really competitive, if not superior or favorable, these are huge impacts in people's decision-making to prescribe. If you can fix a woman's sleep in the midlife, that is a massive impact on her overall health function, economic output, et cetera.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Steve Seedhouse from Cantor.
Steven Seedhouse
analystCongrats On the milestone for the company. Just this question for the company or for Dr. Mills actually, just given you proved essentially crossing the blood-brain barrier is unnecessary. It seems to have a pretty profound effect on hot flashes. I'm wondering if you think that becomes maybe a safety advantage now for the antibody versus the orals? And like do we really know where NK3R is expressed precisely everywhere in the brain and how it might influence stress or behavior or things like that? And I have a follow-up.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveMaybe I'll ask Dr. Mills to comment on whether she sees that as a favorable characteristic of [indiscernible]
Kelsey Mills
attendeeAbsolutely. I think any time you can limit possible side effect profile, that's really important. I think there's -- yes, I think I would leave it there. I think that limiting side effect profiles is always of value to patients and prescribers. But I think that we are looking at a possible therapeutic that is going to perform differently than the small molecules. And I think it definitely could be favorable.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveYes. And I'll just follow up on that. I mean going into this program, we really had a question about whether the preoptic nucleus, which sits clearly behind the blood-brain barrier was going to be important from an efficacy perspective. And I think this data set really resoundly answers that question and provides a tremendous amount of new biology information for scientists studying the mechanisms of hot flash.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveYes. And if I would just add one more thought is that coming in, there was a potential liability that an antibody couldn't get to the preoptic nucleus. We now know that's not important. And in fact, we see the fact that an antibody does not penetrate deeper into the brain as a potential advantage of the class over small molecules.
Steven Seedhouse
analystJust a follow-up for me. If you could comment on -- like I know you're following patients, as you mentioned, sir, through 12 weeks in this study. You'll get those data at some point that's after the single dose. And then you have an open-label extension portion as well, which I think it entails repeat dosing, but just wanted to confirm that. And also more importantly, are you planning to report the incremental data from both of those efforts at some point next year? I think that would be an interesting catalyst as well for the company.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveYes. So the 12-week data should be available later this year. We're seeing very high uptake into the open-label extension. We've had a few patients that have moved away or physically couldn't come back to the center and so aren't able to participate, but we will have a very sizable data set in the open-label extension, and we see that as another important data set that will be coming in the subsequent year. So yes. You are correct that it is a single dose of ABCL635 at that 600-milligram dose level.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Brendan Smith from TD Cowen.
Brendan Smith
analystCongrats to the team on the data. Great to see. Maybe first, actually just kind of looking at the efficacy and severity curves. It looks like you're not seeing any waning of efficacy at 4 weeks. If anything, it might still actually be getting better. I know this was a single-dose study, but you mentioned patients will be monitored for up to 12 weeks. So I guess, first, just wondering if you might consider any longer dosing intervals in the Phase III, if you feel like that's maybe even necessary? And then also just based on kind of market research, can you remind us just how long you would expect VMS patients to remain on drug and/or actually kind of need treatment in clinical practice?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveYes. So I'll start with your first question. Yes, we're very pleased to see the robust efficacy at 4 weeks, and we certainly haven't seen any loss of activity. If anything, we're getting still a little bit stronger. We have data out through 12 weeks, but it's not the full data set. And so we'll really wait to get that full data set before we make any decisions about dosing frequency. But with a half-life of 24 days that we reported in our Phase I study, we feel comfortable that at least monthly dosing, if not potentially longer. But again, that will have to come after the full 12-week data set. But we're certainly very pleased with what we have and stay tuned for the full 12 where we can really define just how long this benefit lasts. In terms of how long women are on therapy, I think we can say that at least median duration of time that women experience moderate-to-severe VMS after they hit menopause, not including the perimenopausal state is roughly 4 years, but there are about maybe 25% of patients that are considered lifelong hot flashes that into their late 60s, 70s, they continue to have moderate-to-severe hot flashes. And it was one of the reasons why our advisers pushed us to increase that upper age range because not only are there patients that continue to have hot flashes, but there are those that have treatment with hormone therapy, but maybe after 3 or 5 years are advised to stop because of overall benefit risk or concern for cardiovascular, but still have those treatments. So having that upper age range gives us a lot of flexibility. And maybe I'll ask Dr. Mills to comment on sort of duration of therapy in her practice.
Kelsey Mills
attendeeYes. Thank you, Sarah. I absolutely agree. I think historically, we have underestimated the length of time that women spend with significant vasomotor symptoms, sleep disruption, concomitant anxiety and mood disruption that results from VMS. So we do now say that the average experience is about 8 years and is inclusive of the perimenopause. But as Sarah mentioned, there is a big proportion of women, which we call the forever flashers who will have vasomotor symptoms until the end of their life. And these people are really underserved because they're not great candidates for hormone therapy or they stop their hormones and can't go back on or they have accruing cardiovascular metabolic risk over time. And so this is another unmet need in this area.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Srikripa Devarakonda from Truist Securities.
Srikripa Devarakonda
analystCongratulations on the data. Just for the company, given that you're seeing a meaningful rate of complete resolution of VMS with 635, could this be something that could be formally part of the label? I know it's far away, but would this be part of your discussion with FDA when you discuss Phase III trial design? And if the complete resolution is something that eventually gets added to the label, this is a question for Dr. Mills. How would this drive treatment decisions?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveThanks for the question, and you read our mind. This is something we will absolutely be pursuing in terms of regulatory discussions of, let's say, a key alpha protected secondary because we do see it as important for physicians to have access to the data, if replicated, and be able to share with their patients. And I'll turn it over to Dr. Mills.
Kelsey Mills
attendeeYes. Thank you for the question. I think that this is that 37% complete resolution was one of the biggest items that stood out in this data presentation to me when I had access to it. And I'm really struck by it. I think it speaks to the mechanism here a different vehicle, et cetera. And I think that this is incredibly important to patients and their prescribing physicians or nurse practitioners because patients want the most effective treatment for many, many women. These symptoms are life altering. And so if they have to make a choice between something that has an incredible possibility of complete resolution of symptoms or something that's only going to cut their symptoms by 20%, like some of the other nonhormonals perform, then I think for me, it's a slam dunk.
Srikripa Devarakonda
analystWhat are the rates of complete resolution you see with HRT?
Kelsey Mills
attendeeYes, it's a good question. And we talked about this with the company. The studies are challenging because they are different routes, different doses, even different preparations. I will tell you, clinically, maybe 50% of patients that do well on hormones will tell me that they have good resolution of their symptoms. It's actually pretty rare that people say they are completely gone. And certainly, with the nonhormonal class, it doesn't perform as well in general.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Allison Brassell from Piper Sandler.
Allison Bratzel
analystFirst, just for the company, could you just talk more on the headaches you're seeing? Just mechanistically, is there an explanation for that? And just what would you expect to see upon repeat dosing? And then just for Dr. Mills, could you just talk about overall trends you see in practice? Have you seen an increase in patients seeking treatment for hot flashes now that the oral NK3R options are available? Or just how you expect that to evolve over time?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveIn terms of the headache, we're still looking into mechanistically what may be the case. We did see an imbalance in our Phase I study. So I guess it wasn't surprising that we saw it as well in Phase II. It is noteworthy that it is also the most common adverse event in elanzanetant that is more frequent than in elinzanetant than the placebo group. So it is not unique to us. It is seen in the class. We are still new with this data. So we're digesting it. But I can say that in general, these events were mild. I think we had 2 events that were listed as moderate, which would refer to, let's say, taking an Advil or Tylenol to relieve the headache. There was a little bit of variability. But for the most part, the median duration was within 1 day. So these aren't headaches that are lasting for weeks and weeks for patients. And we saw sort of a split of moderate and mild in placebo as well, but obviously in lower numbers. I really can't comment as to what will happen with multiple dosing. But I would say this is mild headache that's self-limited for the most part, and we haven't gotten any complaints or feedback from investigators that this is problematic. We haven't gotten any feedback that patients wouldn't want to go on to the open-label extension because of this event. And certainly, this isn't the type of event where we would dial back the dose or worry about efficacy to try and mitigate. So obviously, this is something that we'll continue to take a look at and think about more. But overall, as a key safety signal, we feel pretty good, especially considering the overall benefit risk.
Kelsey Mills
attendeeAnd then I can speak about the question about overall sort of nonhormonal prescription trends. The small molecules are still relatively newer medications in different markets. But what I am seeing are considerable uptake by the oncology programs, specifically breast, a huge interest from prostate programs and other programs like gynecologic tumors, melanoma programs, et cetera. So there's a lot of interest and prescribing uptake there. And oncologists are very comfortable prescribing many different types of medications and injectable medications. So I do see that. The other thing to consider is that menopausal hormone therapy is challenging to prescribe. You have to dose titrate. There are many different products available. And there is considerable side effect with menopausal hormone therapy, including about 50% of people having unwanted bleeding being the most common reason why people stop. So to have an ease-of-use nonhormonal VMS target that doesn't alter bleeding patterns that is a singular dose easy regimen, I think that, that's really favorable. But of course, patients are the biggest drivers for prescribing patterns, and I certainly am seeing more and more patients coming into the office self-advocating for a trial of the current available small molecule options. So I do see a significant uptake and the biggest community for that are breast cancer survivors.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Daniel [indiscernible] from Jones Research.
Unknown Analyst
analystCongrats on the data. So was the efficacy consistent across subgroups, including baseline symptom burden, age, BMI, so on?
Sarah Noonberg
executiveYes. We haven't presented all the subgroup data, but we started to do exploratory analysis. That's something that we'll be presenting later on this year at major medical conferences. But we saw our treatment effect across all subgroups that we have evaluated so far. So stay tuned for more data, but I don't think there'll be any surprises.
Unknown Analyst
analystWhat patient populations are most likely to prefer an injectable long-acting therapy over a daily oral medication?
Kelsey Mills
attendeeI think the injectable is definitely favorable for several populations. I mean, certainly, the breast cancer survivor population, the vast majority of them are very -- they're already familiar with this in terms of, for example, goserelin or leuprolide acetate injections. So that's not new to that patient population at all. We also have a lot of people in the menopause space that are currently self-injecting or auto-injecting for the GLP-1 class, and that's only on the rise. So that's another sort of area in which patients are very comfortable. But I think overall, if you can put to a patient, you can do this injection once a month, and your symptoms are managed versus you have to remember to take your estrogen pills and your progesterone pills and you change your patch twice a week and don't get confused. I think there is a lot of benefit to simplicity in terms of improving patient adherence and compliance. I see it as a huge plus.
Sarah Noonberg
executiveAnd I'll just follow up. As a company, we've done some third-party research to actually survey patient preferences in terms of oral injectable. And in that research, we asked patients if they had the same efficacy and safety profile, again, not different as we're seeing today, but the exact same efficacy and safety profile, would you prefer a daily oral or a once-monthly injectable? And over half in that data set preferred a once-monthly injectable. And if they had any experience with auto-injectors, that value was considerably higher, more than 3 quarters. And it's important to note that even people who might feel uncomfortable with needles, having the daily oral small molecules involves liver monitoring, which involves a much larger needle multiple times to get your blood drawn for liver function test. And so when you factor that in, we feel that there'll be significant interest in an injectable.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveAnd Carl here, I'll just maybe add on top of that, that while, obviously, the data is new, and so we haven't had an opportunity to do it. We certainly will pursue the question of, given a significant change in efficacy and in safety, what would be that relative preference between 2. And obviously, we expect that to go up significantly.
Operator
operatorThere are no further questions at this time. We've reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Carl Hansen for closing remarks.
Carl L. Hansen
executiveThank you, operator. And I really want again to thank Dr. Mills who joined us today and for offering the very valuable perspective. Just before I end the call, I'd like to put today's results in perspective and in context for what we're building at AbCellera. Given the strength of today's data, I think there's a real danger that people will start to see AbCellera's future as equivalent to the development of this single asset. In fairness, that's often how biotech works. But I believe ABCL635 is rightly viewed as the latest important outcome of what is a much bigger project. Since founding the company, our vision has been to build Canada's first global biotech company, a company that's known for innovation, a company that can repeatedly invent, develop and commercialize breakthrough medicines for patients around the world. Our strategy for achieving this is built on 3 core objectives: First, to create a differentiated platform that gives us a lasting advantage in advancing new medicines; second, to find our first winning drug; and third, to build out a pipeline of new innovative products that will allow us to grow and scale over decades. Each of these is easy to say, but it's extremely difficult to achieve. I think everyone who works in AbCellera already believes that we've built the platform. And today, we have shown this can deliver drugs that could make a real difference for patients. Beyond the potential commercial value of ABCL635, today's data also provides strong validation that our platform can make drugs against the most challenging targets and that we are successfully navigating the difficult transition to a late-stage clinical biotech. Looking forward, our focus is to take ABCL635 into late-stage studies and to maintain momentum in building a pipeline of future winners. We have 2 exciting programs coming into clinical development next year with ABCL688 and ABCL386 and more will follow. I know that many of our 560 employees in Vancouver, Sydney, Montreal and the United States will be listening in on this call. Congratulations, everyone, and thank you for the terrific work over the years. This success is rightly owned by the entire team from discovery to development, from finance to operations from manufacturing to platform development. Obviously, nothing is certain. But today, it sure looks like we found our first winner. Congratulations, everyone.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
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