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Axcelis Technologies, Inc. (ACLS) Earnings Call Transcript

January 17, 2024

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Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Yu Shi analyst
#1

Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us at the 26th Needham Growth Conference. With me here on the stage is management team from Axcelis Technologies. We have -- I'm thrilled to have Russell Low, CEO; Jamie Coogan, CFO; Doug Lawson, EVP, Corporate Marketing and Strategy here with me. And gentlemen, thank you for joining me today.

Russell Low executive
#2

Great to be here. Thank you.

Yu Shi analyst
#3

Yes. I know Doug probably has been coming to this conference for many years, but we'd like to welcome Russell and Jamie here, and I look forward to hosting you here for years to come.

James Coogan executive
#4

Yes. I appreciate that. Thank you.

Yu Shi analyst
#5

Yes. So you guys made -- let me start with the preannouncement you guys released yesterday. Any -- can you guys kind of recap what you preannounced? And specifically, I want to ask you -- I mean, the numbers seems to show some upside relative to what you guided for the last quarter, where the upside came from.

James Coogan executive
#6

Yes. As we think about the performance -- so we thought about -- our sales opportunity was above our guide of $295 million. We expect now to be greater than $300 million on the top line relative to sales performance, dropping through down to earnings per share in excess of the $2 we've previously guided. We think it's now going to be greater than $2.05. We think the performance really just came through, one, execution relative to what the prior plans were. We saw continued strength in the power device market during the fourth quarter. We'll have more commentary relative to that on our earnings call. So this is a little bit of a marketing ploy to get you to join our earnings call here in 2 weeks. So we look forward to having you there. But all in all, it was really strong execution, operational performance that drove the results in the period.

Russell Low executive
#7

And just to add to that. So definitely, that was the kind of the Q4 announcement. We also want to affirm that we're very much on track to our $1.1 billion model for the year as well. So we've always had 2 business models out. So we had the $1.1 billion business model then $1.3 billion. And we said we're going to hit that in 2023, and we're pleased to say, yes, that's preliminarily well done.

Doug Lawson executive
#8

Yes. And lastly, we also announced that we're on track to do the $1.3 billion in 2025. So...

Yu Shi analyst
#9

Okay. Great. Maybe let's dive into the actual questions, right, for today's discussion. And I want to really start by looking a bit back into 2023, right? Now it's an even more remarkable year given your preannouncement for Axcelis. I mean the company's total revenue is expected to grow more than 20%, right, last year. And most of the U.S. semicap equipment companies see revenue flat, maybe down, I mean. So the countercyclical strength, right, is truly remarkable. But for semicap investors, right, who are kind of deeply ingrained with the idea of reversion to the mean, what do you tell investors about what may be the long-term secular driver of Axcelis for the growth in 2023, which may already be there. And what may have been a bit of a cyclical or transitional into last year's number? How do people interpret your numbers?

Russell Low executive
#10

So I think -- so last year, power was very strong for us. And when I say power, I mean silicon carbide and silicon. So -- and that is kind of what I call a secular trend, right? We are going towards silicon carbide, EVs, industrial, anything that needs to work with power. The cyclical stuff, I think, as you know, memory has been very slow. And we've historically been very strong in memory. So we're actually looking forward to that recovering, and that's going to give us a boost. But I think the interesting thing is that there's multiple cycles now. So you've got the general mature, you've got the power, you've got the memory, you got the logic. And I think advanced logic was a little slow. Memory was a little slow. Image sensor, a little slow. General mature, maybe softening. Power, I think we've been saying it's about 60% of our revenue for the last year, and we're expecting to see the strength in power in May.

Yu Shi analyst
#11

Interesting because this definitely has been a cycle, I mean, with many asynchronous mini cycles. But it looks like you guys have been in the right place to actually play into some of the countercyclical mini tailwinds you have been enjoying. But it turns out to be a pretty significant one for Axcelis.

Russell Low executive
#12

And it was a long time in the making in some respects. When you think back in 2014, 2015, there really wasn't a market in particularly silicon carbide power. We worked very closely with a customer on an emerging need. And we've developed an entire suite of products that cover all applications. And we've got mindshare. We worked closely with their customers, and that's kind of where the growth came from. So it was a tailwind long in the making.

Yu Shi analyst
#13

Yes. We're going to touch a little bit more on that part in a later discussion. So I want to bring back a little bit of the story here, right? 2019 was my first time coming to this conference. I was a researcher associate back then. I joined the Axcelis session, and back then -- Doug, of course, you're here. But Mary Puma, who was the CEO of Axcelis at the time, and of course, she is still the Chairperson. And I said one of the reasons Axcelis could thrive is because customers need not just one, but 2 strong ion implant equipment suppliers to drive innovation and to improve cost of ownership. Of course, back then, the perception was Axcelis was kind of in the shadow of Applied Materials because of this asymmetric -- the competition was probably a big overhang, I mean, when people discuss about Axcelis. But fast-forward to today, right, you grew your market share in ion implant, I believe, from high teens to high 20s. That's just -- that happened in a matter of 4 years, right, roughly 10 points is of the market share gains. I know, Russell, you've been at the company for a while. Jamie, you're relatively new. But if I ask both of you, right, what were the 1 or 2 things that Axcelis has done right to gain that market share in such a short period of time? And what are some of the things you're thinking about that should lead to the continued outperformance for the next few years? I know this is a long-term question, but I'm just going to throw it out there.

Russell Low executive
#14

I think we are a nimble company that is very innovative and customer focused. So I think that's who we are. And I think that is some of the things that have really helped us grow our market share. And again, you can kind of think about red ocean versus blue ocean, if you like. We've gone into power, which was a blue ocean. It wasn't us fighting against Applied Materials. There's a new opportunity that was very small and has grown. And the fact we really are innovative and creative and worked with our customers -- we worked with a customer. And you don't always know what's going to come into a full-blown market, right? But it was really exciting to see power grow into what it is today. And a similar thing happened with image sensors. We realized quite early on, there's an opportunity to segment those markets to make them more productive and drive down manufacturers' costs by having specific products. So we have a whole family of high energy implanters, specifically for image sensors, then we have a whole portfolio of products solely for Power Series. And I think that is an outcome of being very customer-focused and innovative. And like we've said, there are 2 companies that are innovative, and we would like to think that we can differentiate ourselves being very customer-focused and innovative.

James Coogan executive
#15

Yes. And to build on that, as I was kind of making the decision to come to Axcelis, one of the things I looked at was, honestly, the positioning within the marketplace, right? So you've seen the phenomenal growth of the organization over the last 3, 4, 5 years here now. And in doing so, they positioned themselves through that innovation, right, to be able to take advantage of the market opportunity, growing through the downturn, yet still well positioned in those mature technology, right, the memory markets and others, which on recovery, will provide a secondary and third leg almost to the growth story and narrative on a go-forward basis. So on top of that, right, it's an organization that delivers on its promises, right? And so as we look at the historical track record here, we've been relatively conservative in our estimation process as we go and make assumptions. We want to make sure that we can deliver on those targets on a go-forward basis. And that's the type of environment and ethos that I wanted to be a part of, right? And then joining Russell and the team, as I've gotten closer to the technologies, understanding sort of the remarkable nature at which we satisfy those customer requirements through technological innovation has just been really phenomenal. And that runs through the entire organization, right, that it pushes its way all the way down where the customer does come first relative to trying to determine what those solutions are, how we position that in the marketplace and how we attack that at the end of the day.

Yu Shi analyst
#16

Got it. Got it. So I think one of the few things, I mean, what you guys in the past has mentioned and now you also mentioned it this time is about segmenting the market, innovating, developing that market-specific products. I mean that may have been one of the reasons Axcelis has been successful over the past few years. Now if I look at your numbers today, right, the focus on power, silicon carbide has definitely paid off handsomely, right, over the past few years. But I think the top of the mind of many investors here, right, what is your expectation going forward for power and silicon carbide market, I mean, as there has been quite a lot of noise in the recent months or weeks? I mean in the automotive semiconductor market, I mean, EV and some of your customers or maybe they're not your direct customers, they have some not very positive preannouncements. So how should investors think about where this market is going, power and silicon carbide?

Doug Lawson executive
#17

All right. I'll take that one. Yes. I'm not one to sit quiet for a whole day. So I think the first thing to note about Axcelis' position in the power market is we have a very broad customer base. So it's global. It goes from top-tier power companies down to the small startups. And Axcelis has been working on this market, as Russell mentioned when we talked about the segmentation, since the 2014, '15 time frame. So we've developed a very full complete product set across the high energy, high current and medium current space targeted at this market. So what it's meant is we've been able to move out of our original customers as tool of record and be the tool that customers, when they were starting in power, wanted to use because they had confidence in the product. So that's probably the first thing. And that buffers us a little bit from individual customer issues that come up in everyday life and has really helped. The other thing, if we look at the EV market and the power market as a whole, is the power market, if you look at what everybody was talking about at CES in the power market is it's not just EVs, right? There's big applications in industrial areas and energy, always has been. But as the cost of silicon carbide comes down, it's able to penetrate those kind of markets and create growth. And you would have heard many of our customers talking about those areas. And the last area that I think is important as an equipment supplier, ion implant, first of all, is the most critical process tool within a power device. It's the equivalent of what lithography is to advanced logic. And so -- and if you're lucky enough to score a tour of an advanced logic fab, they'll take you to see their EUV tool. If you go into a power device fab, they will take you to see the implant bay. And so that tells you just how important implant is. So they're continuing to invest, regardless of what goes on -- what the car companies might be saying of their current plans because they have to continue to get the cost down, the yields up and the performance of their devices. We also like to remind people that when you look at automotive, whether it's a hybrid or a full EV, if it's got a battery and it's got an electric motor, it's got an inverter. It might be silicon carbide. It might be silicon IGBT. All of those require significant amount of ion implant to create them. So those are things that allow Axcelis to feel confident in the continued strength of the power market as we go through this year.

Yu Shi analyst
#18

Great. Great. So I mean regardless what's happening in terms of the near-term noises, it doesn't seem to change that the silicon carbide remains a secular growth market over the long term, right? So when we think about -- try to think about the long-term upside for Axcelis -- because you guys have been successful. One of the problems with being too successful is you're going to be trending closely with the market. You're going to suffer the ups and downs of the market. But when I think about your silicon carbide upside in terms of market share, share gains, are there still any major opportunities there for you to get the next step-up in silicon carbide in terms of market share.

Russell Low executive
#19

So I think we -- if you're looking at silicon carbide, I think we already have a high market share. I think we're in, as Doug mentioned, all of the top tier 1 manufacturers. And we certainly have a long tail of companies, down to the startups. I do think that as people ramp their production, they're going to require the full suite of products, which plays even more to our strengths. And those tools we're now seeing being sold in roughly equal numbers now. You need a high current machine, you need a high energy machine as you go planar, you go trench. So we're seeing that. So high market share, strong position, lots of breadth in our customer base geographically as well. So I think just as this market grows -- and you can put different numbers on this market, right, at what rate it's growing at, but like we're looking to continue to grow with the market.

Doug Lawson executive
#20

Yes. Let me just add. So Russell mentioned 2 terms, planar and trench. Those are types of transistors. And for a power device, whether it's silicon or silicon carbide, there's 25 to 30 implant passes from the time it enters the fab until it exits. So it's a lot of implant steps compared to just about any other process area. As you move to -- from planar to a trench type of device, it requires much deeper implants. And that means that it requires more high energy implants, and that's a place where Axcelis has a tremendous competitive advantage. And the second thing to look at is trends in the industry, moving from 800 volts to 1,200 volts in terms of the device operating voltage, which improves -- significantly improves the charging of vehicles. That requires much higher dose implants, which our Purion H200 is designed around. So that's a key part of our overall strategy in power is to make sure that we're able to provide that product set to be able to deal not only with the customers' ramp but with their device evolution and design.

Yu Shi analyst
#21

Got it. So maybe I want to ask about China, right? This is a question I'm asking, I guess, to most of the management team. By the way -- how should we think about your local competition in China? I know China is a very important market for Axcelis. But do you think you can maintain that market share given that Axcelis is a U.S. company, right, and China is trying a lot of things to achieve self-sufficiency, including developing local alternatives whenever they can substitute the U.S. incumbent? So any thoughts here?

Russell Low executive
#22

So just to kind of calibrate people, so let's say, Applied Materials is from the 50s. We're in the 30s, and then the other 20% mostly is in Japan, there's 2 companies in Japan, and one in Taiwan. That really is the implant market share. There have been and there remain to be a couple of companies in China. One came out of kind of like [ National Labs ], another one is actually much more of a private endeavor. And they've been around for probably 20 years. And I think they've got a working product. It's at the very lowest level. So I do think that they are developing it, but it's very slow moving. Then I can say that -- what I think about ion implantation, I think the technical barriers to implantation -- I'm not talking about intellectual property here from patent stuff. Just once you've got a machine that's working, the continued operation and innovation of that technology, the barriers are really high. It's not really surprising that the 2 main ion implant companies in the world are about 20 miles apart from each other on 128. It's a certain skill set. It takes a huge amount of research and development to continue to develop those technology. So I do think there's a large barrier. And then kind of a side comment would be -- and if I was going to go after -- so when I think about this, there's the really heavy metal tools like an implanter. I mean it's really just a beautiful physics machine. And then you think about the little chamber-based tools, the chamber-based tools are very simple tools...

Yu Shi analyst
#23

You mean the other type of process tools.

Russell Low executive
#24

Yes. So like a CVD tool or an edge tool. They're very small. They're very simple technology, but the magic happens in the recipe. For us, the magic happens in the hardware, and the recipe is almost trivial, right? You dial up the dose, the energy, the [ spaces ]. It's very straightforward. So they're quite separate. So I think, one, you've got to really have an appetite for hard-core physics when you want to take on an implanter, and you've also got to realize that there are much, much bigger markets to go after as well. So in China, you can see that the CVD companies are actually doing quite well because one, it's simple hardware; and two, it's a much bigger market they're going after. So we're not really seeing a significant progress of local manufacturers in ion implantation. Again, that's not a short-term thing.

Doug Lawson executive
#25

Yes. The other thing I'd just like to add on is -- Russell addressed the hardware -- Russell has designed implanters from the ground up. So -- but the thing I'd like to highlight is -- we refer to it as dosimetry. But the software that powers these implanters that allows the recipes to be simple is very complex. And it's -- we've been in business 45 years. It's 45 years' worth of iterative development of those algorithms to do that. And that doesn't -- that's not written down in the public anywhere. That's not something you can buy a tool from us and get. That's something -- you have to have the gray matter in the company that knows how to do that.

Russell Low executive
#26

There's a huge number of algorithms that are coded into software, and you can't just take those off the shelf.

Yu Shi analyst
#27

Got it. So I think that sounds to me that, that's another similarity between ion implant and lithography, right?

Russell Low executive
#28

Yes.

Doug Lawson executive
#29

Yes.

Yu Shi analyst
#30

It's -- the complexity of the hardware itself, it's hard-core physics, it's very high technical barriers to entry. Thanks for that color. And I think I -- so far, we have mostly, right, talking about -- we'd probably talk a little bit about power device, silicon carbide. We didn't really touch upon general mature node. But let's not forget about memory, right? You said that's the cyclical part of the business, hasn't been very -- doing very well in 2023. But you do -- looks like you do feel some optimism about that part of the market. But what I'm trying to ask, trying to understand is memory used to be like -- that used to have the higher ion implant intensity, right, across the Axcelis end markets and device types, different device types. I guess probably not anymore, right, but it remains an important market. Two things about memory, right? One, what kind of visibility do you have right now in terms of memory recovery. And two, this hopefully is an easier question. I noticed that you shipped the tools to a new Chinese DRAM customer in Q4 last year, right? And I believe that customer is going to be limited to legacy DRAM nodes. But I think you still decide you want to ship that tool, kind of means you think there is going to be meaningful business opportunity there still despite the fact they may be capped at a certain technology node. So that's a 2-part DRAM question I have. Is that -- I mean, especially the Chinese DRAM part, I mean, can you tell us what exactly is the rationale behind doing that, shipping the tools over and trying to get qualified?

Russell Low executive
#31

Sure. I'll kick it off and then I'll let Doug finish. So memory has, like you mentioned, always been a historically strong part of the market for Axcelis. And we have very good relationships with the Korean memory companies. And that was kind of really where the Purion product line took off. Breaking memory into 2 pieces, DRAM and NAND, they're quite different beasts. So when we look at the market recovery, so what do we see? We certainly see orders and POs. Okay, that's one way of looking at it, the recovery. Another part of it is we look at utilization rates, we can track that either just by counting the wafers coming through or we can look at the consumable spend as well. Because if a tool is not running much, it doesn't use up a lot of consumables. So we have lots of leading indicators. So I think we see, and we do speak a lot to our customers, that DRAM is going to be picking up in the second half of 2024, right? That's kind of again -- I don't think there's any news there. I think a lot of people have been saying that. I think NAND is going to be behind that, and we're also seeing an opportunity there. And as Doug would say to me, if you think about AI and you think about these high-bandwidth memory, all these things, they don't directly support us. You don't get more implant steps in a high-bandwidth memory, but it certainly pushes up utilization, which is always a good thing, right? So from memory, it's the number of wafers that come out. So high-bandwidth memory, DDR5, any of those things, that's just wafer count. But I think one of the things that we haven't seen people talking a lot about is just the sheer amount of stuff that AI creates. That stuff will have to be stored, otherwise it can't learn. So I do think NAND is going to recover fairly quickly and abruptly. I think I'll pass it over to Doug now because we've had many conversations about this.

Doug Lawson executive
#32

Yes. So memory is a strong market for Axcelis. During the last upturn, it represented about 17%, 18% of our systems revenue in 2023. It's going to be somewhere between 5% and 10% in 2 weeks. We'll give you the exact number. And so we expect it recovers dollar-wise to at least where it was in this last upturn, and there's possibilities for it to be a stronger memory cycle. I think many people feel it could be. There's good drivers. There is a PC refresh cycle that needs to happen. And now with the latest marketing gimmick of an AI PC, which I think comes with a Copilot button, then we'll -- people have a reason to go out and buy a PC. That helps drive it. AI is -- we hear about HBM, but in those servers, it's not just the HBM that's attached to the NVIDIA or AMD chip. It's got a lot more memory in there. And then we move from there on to NAND, and NAND will absolutely drive a lot of -- AI will drive a lot of storage requirements, and we expect to do that. I'd like to just go back to one thing you said at the beginning when you talked about memory being more implant-intensive in the past.

Yu Shi analyst
#33

You should do probably.

Doug Lawson executive
#34

And one of the things that I think is important to understand, we talked about the implant intensity relative to power earlier, and Charles mentioned it relative to memory. But like people to make sure they understand that in the mature markets, the 28-nanometer node, which is probably the lowest cost point, if you get 300-millimeter, 28-nanometer mix, that's your optimal point if you want to build in a foundry. That's the most implant-intensive node along Moore's Law. And so as we look at the mature markets, as people drive down to the lower cost point for their device, it actually drives the implant intensity up and creates opportunity for Axcelis across our full product [ line ].

Yu Shi analyst
#35

More like gravitating towards that particular 28-nanometer [ is what it looks ] like.

Doug Lawson executive
#36

Right. And so -- and the big driver as we look at the mature markets and what really brought them, what created them, because they didn't exist, was the Internet of Things, right? The first wave of IoT was in the 2015, '16 time frame. We saw our second wave that was driven primarily by communications. 5G rolled out and enabled new applications. One thing that doesn't get talked a lot about relative to AI is the impact it's going to have on IoT, right? When people talk about AI right now, they talk about generative language models and they talk a lot about advanced logic and HBM. AI is just a data beast. It just wants more data. The place you get the data is from the IoT. It wants the sensors, it wants to know your tire pressure, when you got lost on the Jersey Turnpike. It wants to know all of that stuff because that's going to go into those models. That all comes from mature nodes in IoT. Again, a great place for implant.

Yu Shi analyst
#37

Yes. So the China DRAM customer question?

Russell Low executive
#38

Okay. So then we've always been strong in memory. We know that -- I think you're probably very aware that a couple of potential customers in China got put on the naughty list. So we cease and desist, but there is one customer that we're now shipping to. And they're taking a combination of high energy and high current machines. We are the high energy leader. So it's just natural that we will be working with them for that. And we're also working with them on high current. And you're right, it's not a leading-edge DRAM node. But again, we've got a lot of experience supporting the memory market. And it is a subtle difference. I mean there are big differences between the power markets and the product performance and the product uses versus image sensors versus memory versus general mature. So we've worked out how to optimize our products for memory. So it would be natural that, if a company came along in China, they'd want to be working with us because of our strength in memory.

Yu Shi analyst
#39

Got it. Got it. So for the sake of the time, I think I want to ask my last question, and then I'll open it up to the audience for Q&A. I do want to ask about capital allocation. I mean, sure, this is probably directly addressed to you. So a few years ago, right, you guys basically made a bet. I mean not exactly a bet. It's a calculated -- you're taking a calculated risk and you want to invest in organic growth, investing in R&D, developing market-specific products, investing in that production capacity, investing working capital. It has been a very good bet, right? And I know M&A, organic growth hasn't really been like a big focus for Axcelis in the past. And now as you grow bigger, right, in the ion implant market, is there any change of direction in terms of how you think about organic growth, M&A? And is M&A, you think, an option for your capital allocation? And if yes, what kind of M&A target you will be looking at.

James Coogan executive
#40

You got it. So I think, one, we're still going to prioritize investments in the base business. We believe that -- we've got our $1.3 billion model in 2025. We're in the process of working through and finalizing our discussion on what we're going to call the next model, which will demonstrate where we think the business can go on an implant-only basis. We'll have more information on that later in the year. We believe that through that, investments in R&D, the continued investments in working capital to take advantage of the opportunity and the upswings that we've seen, it's really positioned the company very well to continue to meet customer requirements, to keep lead times for our customers in line with our historical expectations and to continue to satisfy them. We do believe that there is a path to supplement that organic growth with some incremental M&A opportunity set. We are in the process of sort of formulating what that looks like on a holistic basis, making sure we try to target those types of opportunities where we can actually provide, call it, meaningful value by bringing that company into the portfolio or that technology or that product set, opportunity sets where we've got either strong customer overlap, strong technology overlap and ways for us to leverage, whether it be our sales force, our field service organization, our R&D environment to be able to continue to bring value to those targets. As to what we're kind of looking at, again, we'll leave you waiting there, Charles, on that. It's a good question, but we won't talk about our specific process or what we are looking at, at any time. But we will continue to update relative to that M&A journey as we progress.

Yu Shi analyst
#41

All right. I think the folks in the audiences are eager to ask some tougher questions than I do. Please?

Unknown Analyst analyst
#42

You referenced the $1.3 billion for 2024. I was curious if you had any thinking -- if you'd give us some guidance about first half versus second half.

James Coogan executive
#43

Yes. So the $1.3 billion -- just to clarify, $1.3 billion is the 2025 model. Yes. And so on 2024, we put some minor commentary in the preannouncement relative to our orders that we saw, the bookings, especially in power devices, continue to be strong for us. We believe power device will continue to be strong in 2024. We expect some memory as well as mature technology recovery in the second half of the year. Other than that, we'll provide more commentary relative to our full year 2024 expectations and sort of the cadence of our guidance on our call in about 2 weeks. So we're in the process of finalizing all of that, that comps for 2024, and we'll have that on the call.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#44

The second question has to deal with Chinese restrictions [indiscernible] to see what restrictions will look [indiscernible]. And so I'm wondering what sort of restrictions are you assuming as it relates to [indiscernible] ion implant [indiscernible]. We're starting to hear more about legacy nodes [indiscernible] in terms of restrictions. What are your thoughts [indiscernible]?

Doug Lawson executive
#45

Yes. We -- at this point, we have one customer who's on the entity list, SMIC. Everything we sell to them that requires licenses, we have been able to get. I always tell people that we follow the rules exactly as they're written and wake up every morning -- our folks in the supply chain wake up every morning and check on any updates. So we make sure that we're on track with that. As far as legacy nodes and power, there's been chatter on various chats and other places, but there doesn't seem to be lots of real action in that area at this point. And so we honestly don't expect those markets to be impacted anything like the advanced logic, assuming that it's related to defense and homeland security and so forth. The power nodes and so forth are really targeted more to environmental and automotive and some industrial and energy applications, which are more related to clean air and so forth. So...

Yu Shi analyst
#46

We can take probably at least one question, one more.

Russell Low executive
#47

Okay. I have a question.

Yu Shi analyst
#48

All right. Maybe let's wrap it up.

James Coogan executive
#49

Great.

Doug Lawson executive
#50

All right.

Yu Shi analyst
#51

Thanks so much, guys, and thanks for coming to this conference. And I look forward to you guys coming here every year for years to come.

James Coogan executive
#52

Really appreciate it. Thank you, Charles.

Yu Shi analyst
#53

Thank you, everyone.

Russell Low executive
#54

Thank you, everybody.

James Coogan executive
#55

Thank you, everyone.

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