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Companhia Paranaense de Energia - COPEL (CPLE3) Earnings Call Transcript

November 22, 2023

B3 - Brasil Bolsa Balcao BR Utilities Electric Utilities investor_day 212 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Daniel Slaviero executive
#1

Good morning, everyone. I'm very happy to welcome you here in our headquarters in Curitiba. And I thank you all who are watching online. This is the first Investor Day since COPEL became a corporation. And we're very excited to share with you all the developments that happened in the company. Today is November 22. Exactly 1 year ago, we had our COPEL Day in Sao Paulo, and so much has happened in this last 12 months. We have historical responsibility to place COPEL at the next level for Copel for the State of Parana and for Brazil. And as a private company, COPEL is entering a new level of performance management delivery of results and value generation. So let's start by sharing today's agenda. We'll have a talk by the Chairman of the Board Marcel, then I'll talk about value generation. Moura and Ana Letícia talk about people. Cassio, investments and innovation, then a short break. And we will hear the general managers of our subsidiaries, Moacir for perspectives and Maximiliano. Then the Q&A and then the online transmission is ended. But those who are present will have a roundtable launch and continue discussions individually. So after the announcements let's start. So I'll invite Marcel Malczewski to talk about the Board's view. Good morning, Marcel.

Marcel Malczewski executive
#2

Good morning, everyone. Thank you on behalf of the Board of Directors for attending. We have analysts, investors, the officers of the company, our Board members, fellow broad members and the -- so many important people present here for our COPEL Day of 2023. We thank you all who are attending online as well. We have a full audience. It's always good to have a full audience. We're very happy today with your presence in this COPEL Day because this is a different year in the history of the company. Maybe except for the foundation of the company, the most important year for COPEL because this is the year in which COPEL became a corporation without defined controlling shareholder, an appointed one. So the responsibility, that we at the Board of Directors have increases considerably. Of course, we have been working on that since I became Chairman of the Board; and Daniel, the CEO. But we've been working to develop the company for its independence. But now the game changed because we have to be even more responsible and naturally pay more attention to the shareholders, market analysts. So it's a different game now, as you know so well. So this transformation process in a true corporation was done in a record time because when the bill of law was sent to the -- come to Congress until this picture was taken less than 9 months past. Of course, previously, we had a long planning time and we executed this plan with the government of the state 9 months before this picture was taken. So we have Ratinho Júnior, the Governor of the State and I would like to say to -- as to all of you, a process like this does not take place without the leadership and the leading role played by the State Governor who represented the controlling shareholder of the company up until then. So he was key in this process, and we must recognize that because transforming a company that's government-owned into a private company, it's not an easy task, but we were able to do that with hard work, but with the leadership of the State Governor. The challenges we have now are big, but the opportunities are also large. The role of the Board of Directors changes, we will have to pay more attention to market analysts, investors. And as any other company I come from the technology area from the private sector. I have worked in public companies, and I know that listed companies. And I know that we have to pay attention to shareholders, analysts, and listening to shareholders more than before as well as investors. We have major opportunities ahead of us, opportunities to gain efficiency, Moura, as Moura will tell you. We have growth avenues but we'll focus on capital allocation and internal adjustments that we have to make in order to become more productive and efficient immediately after the privatization of the company. We do have other challenges as well. We're going through a period, both globally and in Brazil of radical changes in technology, energy transition, new technologies, storage, transmission, new ways to generate energy, digital transformation. I always say that it's important to accelerate the digital transformation process and innovation because we need that to achieve our goals. And Copel has all the conditions to become a leading player in the energy industry in Brazil. Now talking about this transformation process into a corporation, I would like to remind you that the follow-on that took place in August was the largest offering of utility company in Brazil, the second largest in volume in 2023 and the third largest offering in the electricity industry worldwide. So it was quite significant. To wrap up, I'd like to say that the Board of Directors of COPEL is working very hard. I say that the Board of Directors and the Board -- the Chairman and the Board must be like a soccer team. At the end of the game, nobody remembers who was the umpire. The umpire gave us some red cards, yellow cards, but nobody saw the umpire working so well because he did such a good job. That's the role of the Chairman and the role of the Board. But we'll keeping track of what's going on and helping the Board of officers to do their job. And so finally, I would like to say that today is an important day not only because it's a COPEL Day, it's COPEL Day, but it's because it's the birthday of our dear CEO. It's his birthday today. He's turning 43. He's embarrassed, that's impossible to make you embarrassed. So have a great event. We have many Board members present, all the people watching online. And I hope you all have a great COPEL Day, will be very productive and full of information. Thank you again for attending.

Daniel Slaviero executive
#3

Marcel, it's always great to hear you and see your energy and having the Board supporting us, they're so competent and experienced professionals, under your excellent leadership you are a major entrepreneur in our state in Brazil. Okay, let's start with -- by playing a video with the main achievements of the company in these last 5 years. One of the largest integrated energy groups in Brazil, present in 10 states, recognized in Brazil and abroad. Welcome. We are COPEL, now a corporation, more agile, and competitive, consolidating a governance path that has been adopted since 2019, cutting costs, gaining efficiency, low indebtedness, and robust investments. review of our portfolio, total focus on energy. Right from the start, the new model ensures the renewal for -- of concessions of Foz do Areia, Salto Caxias and Segredo for another 30 years. Together, they account for 62% of the entire generation of the company. In the last 5 years, the generation increased to 7 gigawatts, thanks to new developments, and we have new SHPs Colina and the wind complexes of Cutia, Bento Miguel, Vilas, Aventura, Santa Rosa and Mundo Novo, Jandaíra. Today COPEL has 1.18 gigawatts of wind power being the second largest generator in Rio Grande do Norte, the benchmark for wind farms in Brazil and has 10,000 kilometers of high-voltage transmission lines that help to provide energy to Brazil. COPEL is growing also in the free energy market, which covers 38% of Brazilian consumption and will grow even further. As of 2024 with access of small and medium consumers and later on of residential customers. That's why COPEL is accelerating its digitization process and ensures easy access for customers, whatever the demand for energy is. Since 2019, COPEL has increased the customers to 5,000 -- 5000 new customers and is investing to grow even further in its concession area, the State of Parana, the fourth largest GDP of Brazil and a growing population Parana has a diversified economy and growing largely among its most advanced worldwide. It's agribusiness, feeds, state-of-the-art industry, growing exports with a large and diversified industrial park, the state is the second automotive center of Brazil, and it's also an important logistics center given its privileged geographic positioning. All of that makes Parana state a larger and larger energy market with major advantages for Copel. In face of such high demand, Copel is renewing its assets with the largest modernization program for rural areas with the automation of 3-phase networks to replace the mono phase one to ensure the energy that the rural areas need. And it's implementing the most ambitious automation project, total monitoring and information at the speed of light, it's a total revolution in customer management. At the same time, the system is more reliable. This is the innovation that's part of COPEL's DNA, and it's reflected in every field it operates. In the innovation COPEL Volt program, in the venture capital for startups, in the new front for research and development, COPEL has become public and was the first company to join the New York Stock Exchange in 1997 and has been in Europe at the Madrid Stock Exchange since 2002. In addition to updating its dividend policy, it created a people committee to value its greatest asset people, with a strong governance and rigid compliance rules, they are crucial for the company to remain safe for more investors and customers. Organized in 1954, COPEL is a benchmark in sustainability. Since the beginning, it has done what people are now calling ESG. It has a major social and environmental inventory and invests in human rights and the code of conduct to prevent ethical problems, and it values its people, a company of clean energy that's firmly aligned with 0 carbon goal by 2030. Now a true corporation, COPEL start its 70th birthday or anniversary with a permanent commitment to innovation, customer as a priority and income management ready to grow and ready for the future. COPEL, pure energy. All this video is translated into these chart here, this graph. In 2018, COVID, our value generation and this period. The offering took place in the best moment for valuation of the company. This is only the new benchmark for value generation, BRL 8.25 and up. All our history of the results delivered, give us credibility and reputation for what we'll do in the future. And a large part of it will be presented to you today. Here at COPEL, we have this major responsibility to be this new reference for creating value, starting with the follow-on. We are always seeking to be agile, more efficient, more dynamic to face the challenges of the industry that you may know they're not small. And the opening of the market, we're going to talk about that. But also it's complex to operate. We see that with intermittent sources of energy, MMGD, wind and solar energy. The system became more complex. The O&S is having difficulties in dealing with that as well as the hydro power plants that play an important role. We are in the contest of excessive energy and [ Danilo Force ] saying that will be a bill of laws with 4 articles only. The problem is with how many articles this bill will be passed, especially by extending subsidies that are not necessary and pose a burden to consumers. Regardless of the scenario, COPEL will be ready to face all the strategic challenges of the industry and grow. The essence of our vision of the future and strategy remain the same: focus on electricity an integrated and synergistic action with the generation, distribution and commercialization business, focus on the customer experience and mainly people as a competitive differentiation. Here, I must talk about the quality, technical quality of our orange blood people, those who work for us with this transition of all the extreme climate effects flooding, tornados, cyclones, COPEL is always giving the right answer. This is what makes it so important in the Brazilian scenario. We understand that efficient performance of our assets and our discipline are the levers to generate value in this new moment of the company. Our success has been and has always -- will always be in the impeccable execution of our business plan. Some important news is that since last week, COPEL has been a part of MSCI, which is a global index providing more visibility to international investors and more liquidity to our shares. As for value generation agenda, this is where our pillars like efficient allocation, structure, balanced structure of capital in addition to operational efficiency and people management. Our executives will provide more information about each of the pillars and all the related initiatives in the next panels. However, these are the main priorities of the cycle '24 '26, all efforts, attention, KPIs, variable compensations will be connected to this list of actions. Shall we start with the role of the holding? And we talk about number 2 and so on and so forth and we are going to follow the agenda as we said in the beginning. And this is something that we've been discussing since the roadshow, which is the revision of the role of the holding. We have a very strong vision of the holding. We understand that the holding has to be lean, strategic and that can provide support to our businesses. This is the role of the holding. We have a very strong position in relation to integrity, compliance, this is nonnegotiable. These are characteristics that are part of COPEL's culture. And without losing sight of the accountability, business unit directors and the teams, especially the General Manager is the final person responsible for the operating result, the EBIT in other words. And this is our vision, being lean, providing support to the businesses because wealth is created and destroyed in the businesses. And some other idea that came up from this review of all the businesses is that we found improvement opportunities when we incorporate COPEL of the trading unit inside the holding. And we are going to provide more details about the benefits of this likely incorporation, I would say. Now talking about the organizational chart. This is based on benchmarks in the sector. And we would like to thank all those who contributed to this result. We saw different opportunities. First is the unification of the legal and the compliance into a single officer with a role of strengthening the mapping of the risks, expand internal controls and enhance the governance. All this with the support and direct involvement of the legal department forming the legal compliance department, creating synergy, strengthening all our values. Something that was very evident was the regulation. So we are unifying all the efforts of the company from the regulatory area into a single area connected to the CEO, so that we can have more business opportunities, better results and take a leading role in the sector. And we have a very extended agenda in this front. I would like to draw your attention to a single one, as I mentioned in the beginning, the new operational conditions in the system have been showing that the hydro power plants have a very important role to ensure the sustainability and security of the business. And as we see, they have not been compensated and perceived according to its attribute. So -- and this is a very important strategic agenda. I, myself, all the executive directors are going to be involved in this initiative. And the last thing I would like to mention and we have some bylaws that have been approved, we have a people committee that has just been created that is connected to the innovation and also sustainable development committee as agencies to support the Board. We have the 2 coordinators here, Marco and Luiz together with Marcel and Fausto. Thank you very much for attending this event. This committee together with the Board, together with the Executive Board, they're going to be together. And we are going to provide support, the compensation with long-term incentives connected to generation of value. So the reference of A-25 is easy because any amount for the long term is going to be distributed as from the value distribution starting from A-25. So the work is going to have a kickoff and we'll provide more details on Friday, and we are going to present the results in the shareholders' meeting. In April, so this is my last slide. And I would like to say that all ESG assumptions are incorporating permeate all the strategic actions of the company. And because we became a cooperation now we will have more speed to accelerate the decarbonation plan of the headquarters, and we are going to accelerate our process to reach our net 0 objective. As for the social area, we adopted the SDG 4 because we understand we can contribute to this and the first action was the inclusion of the program Aluno Student Energy involving the Universities of Parana to provide scholarships and internship courses in order to provide confidence and competence to the new engineers and the grantees have already received their grants last week. I would like to reinforce our intention to go to the Novo Mercado path. We have been talking to the main shareholders in order to build this opportunity. But we have no question that we being at the highest level of the B3 and have this class of shares will be very beneficial to the company. And to end my part of the presentation, I can assure you that we have a unique case, COPEL brand or assets, our history of nearly 70 years, but especially the people who work for us, allow us to expand this successful case as a private company through corporation. I hope you have a very good event. I would like to invite Adriano Moura to talk about our efficiency and value. Our first panel.

Adriano Rudek de Moura executive
#4

Good morning, everyone. I would like to thank everyone for attending this symbolic event at the headquarters of COPEL. Those who managed to be here in person. I would like to say that it's an honor to have you all here. Many of you are coming to Curitiba for the first time ever. So it's a great honor to have you here. The main objective that we have today is to talk about the execution plan, not only what we're going to do, but what we have done. Today, there was a material fact that it was disclosed about a very important action that is included in one of the pillars that I'm going to talk about, which is related to operational efficiency. So we want you to go home sure that this plan is going to be performed by this management team. I'm going to talk about 2 topics, capital structure, and the optimization of PMSO. I'm also going to talk a little bit about how to optimize the PMSO. This is the first phase of the first project that we're going to be delivering after becoming a corporation. We are also going to talk about how we are going to talk about efficiency at the corporate level and also in terms of tax. We have to be sure that value generation and efficiency have been part of our agenda for a long time now. And the numbers speak for themselves. So we reach the new EBITDA level at COPEL which -- and we have a historic which is consistent with the CAGR of 13%. When we go to leverage, we see that our challenge is still very big. We are at this level of 1.3x 1 year ago, and we have been evolving. We made a plan to releverage our company and that happened 3 years ago, and we said that we needed to reach a situation of a better capital structure, and we delivered on our promise. We'd like to remind you that it has to do with the primary allocation that we are provisioning in order to pay the grants. It's a little bit lower than we understand to be the ideal capital structure, but this is going to be the ideal agenda for the future. We are going to tell you what's going to be the best combination between good investments and good dividends. I would like to remind you that this journey had those 2 components. We managed to make good investments. We increased the distribution base at 70%. We have been investing a lot in the distribution for the next cycle. We made 2 important acquisitions that diversified our generation portfolio with investments in wind generation assets, decreasing the GSF risk. And we also made a very important payment of BRL 7 billion in the past years. And the new policy that was approved in 2021 provides the room for this flexibility. So if we see the payouts, they are all above 50%. And we want to continue like this. We want to optimize the capital structure, always balancing those factors, the 2 factors. PMSO optimization. As I said, this was 1 -- this was the first major project that has been delivered, and the result has been disclosed today. As I mentioned, this is a work that demanded three months of work, we managed to complete in a record time with a sense of urgency because we needed to include the numbers in our target for 2024 and including the vision of 2025 and 2026. So we are disclosing those numbers for the first time ever to the market, and we are mentioning all the executives that are going to be part of the plan. This is going to be approved by the Board in the beginning of December, and they were divided into the 4 pillars. We also counted on the services of a specialized company that provided all the benchmark of the sectors so that we could have all the information per agreement per activity and understand the opportunities that we have. It was at the level of contract with a lot of granularity. So we understood that this was viable. So aggressive, but feasible. This is our plan. We made this first plan, and we have already mapped what would be the roadmap for the second phase. So the project is not over yet. We managed to do a record time activity. very important work, but we still have a lot to do, especially in terms of culture. We have to consider the adjustments to the culture, and we also have to consider the individual control of the budget. So there are some improvements that have already been mapped out that are going to be implemented next year. And of course, we want to find new opportunities. I would say that we have already cut down, we have mowed the grass at very low level. And the main project that we had as a result of this work was the PDV. It shows the evolution in the past few years, 30%, September, we closed with PDV contemplated 1,237 people. So we had a 25% reduction. We said that it's a reduction of more than 50% if we consider the history of the company. And the purpose was to define an operational and financial limit that could cover as many people as possible without putting the operation to risk, quality and services. We could not fail to continue providing the best services. So how can we ensure that this reduction is not going to adversely affect the operation. So we are going to do all the changes and began to focus on the financial area. The question is, does this financial limit makes sense? Yes, it does. We made some calculations, we considered different scenarios and we found the best combination. So we have a saving of BRL 430 million, and we are going to reposition that may be from BRL 100 million and BRL 120 million. These are preliminary numbers. We are still going to make some adjustments, but this is what we have in mind. A very important point here is that between P&S, it will be at the most BRL 120 million. So there's a governance considering us that is going to be approved by a committee and Marcel is also going to assess this. And I will talk more about this and the recomposition of IP is not even going to be discussed at the management level. It's going to be submitted to the committee so that we can be limited to this range that Marcel presenting of BRL 120 million. Yes. So if we consider the BRL 428 million minus BRL 120 million, and that would come to about 20%, a little bit more for a payback of 2 years. We understand that this was the best scenario in terms of PDV. Now moving ahead, and I would also like Daniel to help me to discuss this slide. This is a summary of what we did in the first phase of the project, where we come from and where we are getting. So for the next years, we want to reduce PMSO to BRL 460 million to BRL 480 million. This project started with the LTM of June. And this was the number that I just presented to you. We discussed a lot. We did a preliminary analysis or better analysis that where we prioritized that would be possible to do within 3 months. So we saw what we could do, the KPIs, the actions. So everything has been mapped out, and this has been included in the budget. So it's a 3-year budget and part of it is not going to be included as benefit in 2024. Many things are going to take place in 2024, but will not come into the results. So we see the amounts, okay. As you can see here, a very important point for our meeting today. With this movement we have already exceeded the lower base as we committed to the market in the road show. So we expect to stay in the lower limit from 16% to 17%, considering the PMSO Global within 3 years. So it is the commitment that we have to deliver the results and especially when we decided to derisk the company. Copel is a company with a low risk. This is another example of the efforts that we have been making and the results. As Marcel said, all the initiatives are done in the 3-year period and in different phases, considering the digital transformation of our business, we are going to find new opportunities, lower gross but we are going to continue looking for opportunities to be ever closer to the upper limit that we mentioned in the road show. Another important component in addition to PMSO is the contingency management. I'll invite Eduardo Barbosa, our Compliance and Legal Officer to talk about this opportunity now. Eduardo, please come forward.

Eduardo de Souza Barbosa executive
#5

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for this opportunity to talk to you. I'm very proud and happy to talk about what we have done regarding our contingencies. And showing the 3 areas in which we are focused on to do that and the opportunities that are created because of that. The first and the most important one is the settlement policy that we have that will be more stronger, would be stronger because now we divided our contingencies in 3 blocks and in major blocks. The main litigation lawsuits are the one of them. We have a set of lawsuits of large value that we could work with strategy, and we have a group of repetitive lawsuits that accounts for around 70% of our number of lawsuits in absolute figures. And based on a settlement committee with identification of opportunities and guidelines, we are disseminating the settlement policy throughout the company, which will generate a lot of cash because that COPEL used to be a state-owned company and now has been privatized. And just in this item there's a lot of scale with elasticity and flexibility and a lot of speed can be placed on our settlements. The second area relates to innovation. We purchased software that will provide more security and safety regarding our information, allowing us to be more assertive in prioritizing our actions in court, I can give you some examples. For example, we'll have an online mediation platform that we already use that been authorized by the Superior Court of Justice, not only for judicial settlements, but also before going to court. For the next quarters, you noticed more results using that tool. I would like to recognize the team because in terms of provisions, we have a high amount of assertiveness. So our figures are reliable. And we use prediction tools and will be even more assertive and deliver better results. But that alone will not do the job because our lawsuits increased and-- but the legal department since the privatization will no longer be an operator of the portfolio of lawsuits, but a manager of that, we will be able to outsource a lot of our lawsuits and will give us lots of opportunity to deliver results in the short term. But if we do not prevent new lawsuits the amount of lawsuits we have will continue to increase. That's why we have a prelitigation report, working closely with the business areas to identify threats, as Daniel mentioned in the climate change, for example, but providing opportunities to create regulatory as well as legal thesis trying to reduce the number of lawsuits as well as provisions but also to deliver results and revenue for the company. I would like to mention one single opportunity to be very modest here that's been mapped, structured and in progress. It's been identified by the consulting firm that is working with our team. And we separated within the mass lawsuits, the repetitive ones that accounts for a large amount of our lawsuits just by separating consumer, labor, civil lawsuits, we were able out of total stock of 1.9 million in the baseline of September 2023, we were by prioritizing the lawsuits, we identified BRL 779 million in lawsuits. And based on information technology and our history, we identified opportunities that amount from BRL 50 million to BRL 70 million of results just for the next quarters. We have several other projects we're working on, but since I don't have much time, I thank you for this opportunity, and I will remain available at the Q&A for further questions.

Adriano Rudek de Moura executive
#6

Okay. Thank you for your work and for your presentation. So considering the BRL460 million, BRL 480 million, we're talking about a firm commitment of this management to deliver 0.5 billion -- 0.5 million in results. We'll continue to search for results and our goal is to reach the most we can in the next 2 years, especially as of next year. So another important point is tax and corporate efficiency. We let the consulting firm free to assess the opportunities independently. The good news is that there weren't so many opportunities. So -- which only highlights the good work we've done recently. Although we have a large structure, 60 companies, we assess some opportunities for the future. But the main one for the future is the incorporation of, within the holding company to integrate the 2, maybe next -- first quarter of next year, we have a better view of that. There is a tax benefit and the interest and equity something nobody knows what will happen. And depending on what comes out, we'll have a savings of more than BRL 20 million. So using our short time, Daniel, this is the summary of efficiency gains planned. This will continue in our agenda and our goals, and I hope you have a great event. Thank you.

Daniel Slaviero executive
#7

Great. Congratulations. I'll be a bit repetitive in order, right? But 90 days is something we always say, we try to be assertive, dynamic. And this shows how agile we are. The companies are made of people. It's not only substations, transmission lines, power plants, assets, but mainly people, and I invite Ana Letícia Feller, our Human Resources Officer to talk about people.

Ana Feller executive
#8

Good morning, everyone, present in this auditorium as well as those attending online. I would like to start my presentation saying that I am very happy, today is a day of joy, and because it is the first meeting we have after COPEL became a cooperation. And also because we're going to talk about people, people who are in the core of major transformations. Here at COPEL, this is no different. As Daniel mentioned, there are several actions already in progress in people management. And I'll show you how these actions are being included in our people management practices and what we have done in 2023 and what we plan to do for 2024. Our transformation journey starts with a very important topic that is our new way to be COPEL. Dealing with the organizational culture is essential to have success in executing our strategy, especially in a transformation moment as the one we're going through. Being aware that this is an important topic, the Board of Directors and board of officers have met to discuss the elements of our culture and discuss our behaviors, identifying which ones we should keep and encourage and which ones -- which behaviors we should acquire and the ones that we should leave behind us. Out of this work, 5 areas came up. The first one is integrated business as it was previously said, we'll continue to explore all the benefits of being an integrated company seeking operational excellence at all times. Working with excellence and efficiency is the only way to boost even more our results. We'll be even more demanding in that area. And COPEL will always look for efficiency in its opportunities and activities. The second area is communication. Our internal communication must be fluid and in real time so that all employees can be aware of the paths that Copel is following, continuing that we have the 3 element that's important, which is people, focused on the customer, at times of change in our industry and that market are being opened, customers become even more important. And we'll be very strict in the focus on quality of services and the satisfaction of our customers, focusing on a full experience that they expect so they can be pleased with the good support and services provided by the company. Then comes the regulatory protagonism. Our strategic presence in this sector, exploring regulatory boundaries and playing a leading role with regulatory authorities. And in the center of everything is people. People is a differentiation point for us. Such a huge transformation as we are going through cannot be executed if people are not part of it. This is why we're focusing on building high-performance teams that are recognized and that are engaged and aligned with these new organizational culture, the new way of to be Copel. How can we ensure that our people strategy of people who are recognized and engaged in this movement takes place? First, we have structured our work in 4 main areas. The first one talks about organizational design, which means that in our dismissal plan, we'll dismiss employees, ensuring the quality of our services, quality, efficiency and productivity. In compensation, we must ensure that the compensation of executives, leaders and associates is aligned with the values of Copel. The third element is development. Its main goal is to improve current skills and acquire those needed to face challenges imposed by changes in the industry. An organizational culture, that's the fourth element that is the essential for this major transformation. Now looking into each of these blocks or areas, let's talk about our dismissal plan. As Moura mentioned, we had 14 -- 11,437 people enrolled for this. And the idea is to make sure that knowledge stays in the company. We have identified critical jobs at Copel, which 356 were identified among them, 68 of these positions are occupied by people who have enrolled for the voluntary dismissal program and have successors defined for these people, and we have already started the knowledge transfer plans. As already said by Moura in the presentation about efficiency, we did rightsizing of processes. And this allowed us to learn what's the minimum amount of us -- employees we have to have to ensure quality execution of our activities. And already in execution is our digital acceleration point. This is very important to bring benefits, agility and productivity and efficiency gain for the company, making it easier for the teams to perform their activities. In the compensation area, our plan foresees the strategic compensation of our executives and senior leaders. Today, this compensation has a fixed amount and a variable short-term amount. We have to implement long-term incentives linked to value generation. As Daniel said, based on the share value at the time in which we became a corporation. The kickoff is set for next Friday with a renowned international consulting company, and the goal is to boost the alignment of interest, increased competitiveness and retain our talents. Also under compensation will continue to improve meritocracy practices, review -- reviewing the career plan and compensation of our employees. This will allow opportunities for growth, creating career paths. With that, our employees will have a clear view of the paths they could take in the company to develop their careers and seek the best option for growth in the company. We have 2 mobilities. We have 2 major goals, which is a transformation of careers. We are now redesigning the leadership profile mapping the skills for each leadership job we have. This is the first step that will support the second phase of our work, which is the assessment of our leaders. Based on the result of these 2 phases, we will create individual development plans that will be accompanied by people area with important tools to address any needs that are identified in the plan. Now going to the end of my presentation. It's important to give you a clear idea of how all these checks are being carried -- tests are being carried out in the time line. You can see that in the second half of 2023, we -- in the first half, we have mapped critical positions as well as completing our dismissal plan. In November, we started the knowledge transfer plans that are expected to end in August of [ '20 years ] because that's the date we have set to have all the employees who want to leave the company already have left. And -- we need to have a rightsizing to know exactly the number of people we need to continue to perform activities well. And in December, we started a digital acceleration plan to give efficiency to our processes. Speaking of compensation, as of Friday, we'll start the review process for the -- building the long-term incentive program that will be completed in February that will go through all the internal governance to be approved in April. And then in September, we'll have the assessment of development plans. We see that -- we can see the mapping, all of the chronology. Well, our vision has a holistic assumption. You have to look at the top management, the Executive Board, the Board of Directors, the main leaders, but you also have to consider all the structure considering the careers, the employees, the base. And this is the second comment. And there's something else that is important to mention. This work is going to reach its stop in April 2024. So you see you have to agree with me. This is one of the major benefits of having been transformed into a corporation, mobility, transfers of careers because some employees were stuck because they had some rules. And we have Fausto who is a Board member and he has post-graduation course, but he was stuck in a position because of the previous structure. But this powerful tool are long-term incentives that would connect and retain the talent, retain the good professionals and value them. We are going to have a special shareholder meeting in December that will only have this recovered -- will only recover partially the inflation and recompose the short-term compensation of the executives. And in April 2022, this has been approved without this amount because of the elections and everything and all the scenario of the situation. And this special shareholder meeting is there to be recomposed all the past. And we've -- talk about the last pillar, which is related to development. We are going to talk about the necessary competencies for the functions, and then we're going to have work of assessment and the construction of the development plans. All of this is based in our new way of being, Copel's new way of being -- we can see that the agenda is very intense. We have lots of actions that have the potential to generate value. And this is only happens because our team is very committed to this moment, this new moment of Copel. This transmission, we're proposing and everything that's been going on. I'm sure that I'm going to finish my presentation saying that I'm absolutely sure that we are on the right track. We are building the best company in the sector to work for -- with our best talent. Thank you.

Unknown Executive executive
#9

Congratulations Ana, and you've been with us for more than 20 years, and we can feel your enthusiasm, your willingness. Yes she started when she was so young. That's why. Very important part. We're going to invite Cassio Santana da Silva to talk about value generation and capital allocation.

Cassio da Silva executive
#10

I'm going to repeat. It's a great honor to be here. to be part of the agenda. And we are also on the agenda of compliance. There are many people who were in the roadshow and you trusted in our proposal to generate value and to evolve with Copel. Welcome to our headquarters. It's an honor to participate in such an important moment of our company. We are going to talk about efficient capital allocation and Basically, I'm going to start the topic and Moacir Bertol also going to add to what he have to say, especially when we talk about CapEx, when we talk about the renewal of the concessions, this was one of the drivers that we had to transform our company into a corporation so that we could improve the generation of the company. We are also going to discuss reinforcement and improvement. And in addition to improving the operational capacity of the company, it also brings return rates, which are very interesting as well. And there are also some other agenda, which are very important, and we have developed along the past 5 years, especially when we refer to decarbonization of the company, the capacity auction, that is a great opportunity that has to be under a regulatory agenda and we understand the activities to the sector. And the agenda that I would say that is [ vibrating ] at the company, which is the innovation agenda with a corporate and venture capital fund and with expansion and continuity of our open innovation, our Copel world. It's not by chance that this slide is presented now. So our capital allocation is prioritized like this, as we mentioned in the road show. We are looking at distribution efforts and we already have the organic distribution considering the distributor of Parana. And why do I say that? I say that because we have the combination of 3 sectors: first, rate, which is one of the lowest rates that we have in Brazil considering the distributing companies across Brazil. Second, is a depreciated basis that would vary from 35% to 40%. And the third will be the growth, the economic growth of the state. We are the fourth largest economy in the country. It has a Chinese growth rate that -- the Chinese growth rate of 10 years ago, not the present growth. And it's based on a tripod, which is very favorable so that we can continue making the investment in the distributing company with a very well-controlled risk level. Transmissions and distributions are related to networks. So we understand that the business -- these businesses need scale, and they are better when they have sales. So the new business areas continue monitoring growth opportunities, inorganic growth. Of course, there is very cautious evaluation of synergies and what would help us add value in the short, medium and long terms. And these are not opportunities that you would find easily anywhere. So it shows that we continue monitoring opportunities for inorganic growth. As for generation, without a doubt, we are making the highest investment in the short term for the renewal of the concessions. I'm going to talk about the size of the investment. And then later on, we will talk about the capacity. So we are going to invest in the innovation for another 30 years of our 3 main assets that make up 60% of our generation capacity. And not only that, there's an opportunity that is approaching us which is the opportunity of reserve capacity auction, where hydropower plants will be able to take part in. So this is agenda that is taking up a lot of our time in terms of assessment. In terms of our transmission, we understand that there was an auction which was very specific. And we understood that this was not an opportunity that we should take because it doesn't make sense to us for the auction in 2023. But we have focused on the synergistic lots for 2024. There are some studies being made, and I believe in the next weeks, we are likely to define which is going to be a roll, whether or not we are going to take part in the auction 2024. When we look at the headquarters, we can see a relationship with the distribution and transmission businesses, which have similar roles when they protect the portfolio. They do not have regulatory compensation. And the performance of those activities involve risk, which is not controlled, especially when we talk about distribution. So the role of those assets are similar. In terms of risk, they may be a bit different. And if we want to prioritize the business of transmission or distribution, we can consider. Especially, we can understand that we should really invest in distribution. And to complete the integration of the company, this trading business has also been retaining a lot of attention when we allocate the company -- allocated capital for the company. So we are very attentive to this marketing breakthrough which is going to bring new consumers with the characteristics of being retailers, Bertol will also talk about this evolution. We already have a customer portfolio with this characteristic at this time. But we want to be very proactive. We want to take the initiative in this sector. And also new services, which are connected to this idea of one-stop shop. So the client, the new client coming from the free market. When he wants the new solution, we would like to offer the service. So we see that some opportunities that were taken by other competitors, micro-insurance, nonregulated service. So these are all initiatives that are in the final phase of being implemented in our area. So we would like to have some news in the short term in the segment. Now providing a little bit more details about our reserve capacity auction. You can see this photograph, it shows the reality of Foz do Areia. It's a plant that has 4 machines in operation. And it was conceived, it was built with 2 slots to be expanded. So the civil construction work is already ready. So we want to make this feasible in an auction and install 2 more machines. So we believe that for this capacity auction of 2024, we have a very competitive asset that can expand 872 megawatts in the plant. And also in Segredo, Bertol will provide more information about this. Can we talk about what are the adjustments that we had to make because we are not going to start from start -- scratch so that we can take the opportunities in future auctions. In the decarbonization agenda, we have a very competitive process underway for WEG. WEG is a thermal power plant in a partnership with Copel and Petrobras, we hold a bit more than 81% in this asset. And the next step is binding proposal that is going to be presented in December. And we expect this asset -- this project will be signed in March 2024. And we can say that the auction has been very competitive. So the -- this is going to add a lot of value. Should this asset be sold by Copel. So we are very enthusiastic. We are working hard. So that considering the schedule, we'll be able to redo the signing and the sale of this asset. Still talking about decarbonization, we have the opportunity to sell Compagas. Copel holds 51% of Compagas. And considering this decarbonization at ESG agenda, we also have a competitive process underway. The next phase of this process are the nonbinding proposals that are going to be in December '23 within some weeks now and expected signing is for March 2024. And without doubt, we are discussing the best asset for those who want to expand the share in the distribution of gas in Brazil or for those who want to break into this market. We are talking about the modern, the agreement, compensation format, which is also modern based on the plan conceived by the government of the state. So we have no doubt that this is a process that is going to accelerate our business in a very competitive manner. So we think -- we believe that on -- in March '24, this is going to be completed. And I'm also going to talk about this open innovation program. I would say that the first action of Copel Corporation was this one. It was the creation of a fund one quota holder, which is Copel Ventures and is looking for early-stage start-ups. It's BRL 150 million fund, looking for strategic and financial opportunities. And the investment parameter would be from BRL 2 million to BRL 10 million per round. So the business is very broad. What does it have to do with -- anything that has to do with energy? Renewable Energy, Energy as a Service, especially also new ways of trading energy, asset management, smart grids, smart cities, mobility, internal processes, innovative processes. These are all covered by the thesis. And Copel Volt which is the major driver of this process impelled us to have more than 500 start-ups integrated with us. So we've filled this funnel, which is our innovation pipeline. So as of August 13, when we had the first action of Copel creating Copel Ventures, we started work and at the beginning of the funnel, we have already included 58 start-ups. As it's natural in the start-up world, the mortality is real. So the message is that we have business in due diligence process. So in the future, we are likely to announce the first investment in Copel Ventures. And this is a dynamic funnel. So we engaged Vox Capital. That's a team very ready to assess the moment of 13 when to enter, when to leave the founders, the investment thesis for the start-ups. And we're quite pleased with this work we're doing with them. And we're happy with the Copel Volt. That's a continuous program now will challenge the start-up ecosystem according to the needs of our business areas. So the retail sale, electric mobility, high green hydrogen are becoming horizon 2 business. We see some companies monetizing this business, batteries, energy efficiency, and asset management. And to -- since we see lots of people here that were present at roadshow, I have included this slide that we used in our roadshow because here, we tell the path of the last 5 years of the company, delivering consistent and coherent results in terms of what we expect for the future of the company. So I would like to say that this team has brought the company so far has planned the company, and we will deliver what we planned here. Congratulations. The second main message -- the first main message that we'd like to close this block with is with this list that was presented at the road show. It's first to show consistence consistency and coherence in execution, as Cassio mentioned. But the second stage is that although we focus a lot on efficiency and cost reduction, no company can be sustained in the long run just by cutting costs. This is the first phase of this cycle. Our agenda is much more encompassing than that. It has a lot to do with people, but mainly how we're going to grow, where we're going to invest. I'd say that helps everybody that works. And if we keep with the -- One good thing about having 1 or 2 years with low energy prices is the fact that we are well positioned. We'll have the 2026 new remuneration basis. and the recovery of the energy prices, which is only a matter of time. So this only reaffirms our enthusiasm in our confidence. Imagine Copel 2024, '25, '26 in this path with this level of efficiency with these assets and the opportunities that we'll have in the future. It will be indeed the major benchmark in the industry. Thank you for your presentation. Okay. Now let's have a short break, a 15-minute break, and we'll be back at 11:20, for those who will be online. So 20 after 11, we'll be back. Thank you. [Break]

Unknown Executive executive
#11

Okay. We're back on our Copel Day. Our subsidiaries, our main business distribution, commercialization and generation. And before starting the specific panels, I have said that the ESG and principles and sustainability agenda, it's been relevant for Copel since the beginning of the company in 1954. But in the last 20 years, the company has put a lot of effort into that. And congratulations on the team, and I would like to play a video on our sustainability and ESG actions. [Presentation]

Unknown Executive executive
#12

Copel presents a history of sustainability, good environmental practices social and in governance, Copel has a long-term commitment. It's prepared its first report on environmental and social impact. It was the first company to adhere to the Global Compact of the United Nations, one of the founders of the GHG protocol, the first in electromobility. And with the economy in line with the low carbon economy has been awarded several awards moved by sun, water and wind, one of the leaders in clean energy worldwide. Now a corporation Copel will be even more agile, efficient, competitive, ready for the next challenges. 17 times present in the sustainability Index of B3. In 2022, it adopted a new SDG education and created energy student with a full scholarship for talented students in electric engineering for the 5 years of the program. It is opening a project on reducing the energy bills of hospitals in Paraná. As of 2024, the same will be applied to state public schools. Taking into account the development index of the schools and of the municipalities and the program, 7 golden rules prepare the electricians to serve customers and that are trained to prevent accidents. We aligned third-party companies to the principles of Copel. At the same time, the reinforces associations that respect human rights. Copel is a leader in impact compensation and offsetting with subsistence projects, and it provides free energy for families in need. It's been done what we now call ESG. Copel believes that benefits for shareholders can only be given when everybody is part of the agenda, respect, innovation and results management. This is the energy that moves us. Excellent balance between all stakeholders. This is a mantra for us. Okay. Let's start the second part of our Copel Day, inviting Moacir Bertol to talk about GeT.

Moacir Bertol executive
#13

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. First, I would like to congratulate the President, the CEO of Copel and the President of the Board of Directors, the President of ANEEL and all the Board members and the President of the Fiscal Committee. I would like to also say hello to all of you who are present here at this audience, such a qualified audience, and all officers that preceded me and showed the quality of the actions that Copel has taken regarding its assets. To start, I would like to talk about a bit about my professional career and how proud I am here to represent Copel Generation and Transmission, and also I feel responsible for this challenge and responsibility we have in leading Copel to attain the results that we aim to achieve. I've, in the last 9 years, I have worked at the Ministry of Mines and Energy, preparing the guidelines for public policies for the energy plan of the entire country at the secretariate of energy planning of the Ministry of Mines and Energy. I had the opportunity to meet many of you there to discuss about the sector to look at opportunities and prospects for the Brazil energy, always providing balance between supply and demand with all energy services. I learned a lot with the experience. I faced many challenges and had many opportunities to develop such activities. In 2019, I came to join Copel. I worked here for 4 years as a state-owned company. We had growing results, but they were limited because we were a state-owned company. Now as a private company, I am highly motivated, but I am aware of the responsibility we have to deliver on all the assumptions that we define for Copel, especially for Copel Generation and Transmission. So Copel Generation and Transmission is an integrated company that generates and transmits electric energy. In Generation, it is present in 4 states of the Federation, 6.9 giga of installed capacity among power plant -- hydropower plants, wind and we have 76 plants that generate energy produced in these plants. In 2022, we had generated an EBITDA of BRL 2.14 billion, with 3,157 average megawatts of assured energy. There is an important attribute that's regarding the energy matrix of Copel that 96% is renewable energy. And we are moving on, as Cassio said, in the divestment -- or the paths to have an energy metric that totally decarbonized 100% renewable. It's a unique condition in an energy industry to have a fully renewable matrix. I make reference to the renewal of concessions with all the expectations for Copel. In Transmission, we operate in 8 states with 9,600 kilometers in transmission lines, and we have an annual permitted revenue of BRL 1.56 billion. This generates BRL 1.08 billion per year in EBITDA. These are figures that you know and you know our capacity to operate these assets. Given this impeccable process of transforming the company to a corporation, Copel Geração e Transmissão has reaffirmed this role as a relevant player in the energy industry, especially because it maintains in its portfolio, the 3 main plants for another 30 years, the 3 large hydroelectric plants. I'll start by talking about the renewal of concessions of hydropower plants Foz do Areia, Segredo and Caxias. Together, they add up to 4,176 installed capacity. 1,673 megawatts average of physical guarantee. We -- Copel has complied with all requisites to have this concession for another 30 years. The granting authority has awarded us, and we have negotiated with the granting authorities and the National Electric Energy Agency the execution of this concession agreement of the 3 plants for the -- for another 30 years, for next year at the very favorable terms and the payment of the granting bonus. According to the relevant law, the payment 20 days after the execution of the agreement. So this is the schedule we'll follow, and we'll keep to that, providing the best conditions for the company. We are also working to classify these 3 plants as priority plants to be able to issue debentures to pay the granting bonus for these 3 plants. We're also working -- watching it tentatively the bill 365 of 2022 and we take this opportunity to say that we are not pleased with the fact that this bill is in the process of being discussed at the -- but we -- in Congress, but we hope that it's not -- it doesn't pass because there is an interference of the regulatory, the legislative in -- the legislative power in the agency. This brings insecurity in legal terms if this bill passes. But as I said, we do not expect this bill of law to pass. With regards to our generation assets, two of these major plants that have been renewed for the capacity auction, we expect to install two more generators totaling 682 megawatts and 900 megawatts in Segredo. It's important to highlight that with the vision of our engineers and officers in the project -- in the design of the plant, they already included its growth, its expansion with another two generators. The return on investment that was not there, but now by power to operate the system and sustain this undispatched energy that are the renewable intermittent plants, this is essential for the industry. And the company that provides that instantaneously at the moment of need are the hydroelectric power plants. So these two generators that will be installed, most likely in the next year's auction, will provide great value for the company. We're waiting for the guidelines of the Ministry of Energy for this auction. So the new powerhouse that will double the installed capacity, we are placing it in a location where the costs are lower, that will provide us a better return, and will be available for the next power auctions. And this is our vision regarding the capacity auction with the power of the power plants. Now I would like to talk about the restructuring of Copel Generation and Transmission. Recently, we have created the superintendence of renewable energy focused on Rio Grande do Norte state, where is the main cluster of wind farms that's where our wind farms are located. And we are also focusing on the expansion of the company and the 2030 vision that the company plans to increase its installed capacity for the wind -- for the electricity. We have created wind farms, wind managers. We -- there are 5 manufacturers that are suppliers of wind turbines. We already noticed a very good situation with increase in availability of these turbines and the greater conversion into energy with the increase in the power and installed capacity. We are also restructuring the supply processes adapting to the private environment, which allows us more agility to make our purchases at the right time at established prices. Now I would like to about our operational efficiency. Now we have to train our operators in the new system. It's an integrated operation involving transmission and generation in the same console. Those operator will operate our generation and transmission assets. We are increasing the qualification of maintainer of our assets that will do the local operation and maintenance especially in increasing the tele-assistance requirements for all asset in generation and transmission. We have dedicated the assets to the tele-assistance of the major plants that have concessions renewed. We have our structure of drone fleet to be able to predict the assets participating their effects for substations, transmission lines and reservoirs in the permanent conservation areas. Also in our restriction of operation we have identified opportunities to align small IGPs lower than 10 megawatts for them that have a low scale and high OEM cost. So they will be -- these professionals will be reused in large plants based on the dismissal plan. This was a clear decision always with a technical preservation of all our employees. I would like to talk about decarbonization. On October 30, Copel was present in the Ministry of Mines and Energy, and we filed a document so that [indiscernible] should be returned, which is Charcoal thermal power plant to use the assets that were not amortized. So the moment Copel made the decision -- so Copel no longer has any participation in generating electricity with a charcoal resource. In our 24 budget, we have no costs related to the operation of that plant. We think we're going to be successful because the legal basis for the rebate of this concession are very solid. So we expect to receive this compensation. We cannot see this one so much because it's 20 mega. So -- but it was our obligation to return those reimbursement, and these are the assets in the range of BRL 130 million, so this is a discussion that we're still going to have with granting powers. So this is the order of magnitude. And we have strategic operations when we use those assets since we are making all those transition. So we have Sao Jorge and Figueira assets. And we can see the investments that have already been made and the divestments are according to the schedule. And it's very attractive for us to acquire those assets. And it's very important to mention that. We would like to mention the divesting of some properties. We're going to sell those properties. We are in the process of selling those assets. And all the documents are nearly ready for us to start the [ divestimation ] process. And we have a property where the previous [indiscernible] used to operate, and we are going to bring a new asset. So it's a noble area. And this is a place where we can make investments in the segment of transmission. And all the areas, the villages, the residential areas of all those major areas of where we used to have assets, we are going to sell those properties, and we can see the size of those areas. Faxinal do Céu has an area of 4.5 million square meters and all the other areas are very sizable. According to our assessment, according to the documents, it will be about -- okay, by the way, we're still making the evaluation. When we reach a precise number, we are going to share this information because we do not want to create any expectations. So these are properties that offer an upside that would not add any value for the service of electric generation. It's important to mention that there is expectation to reduce costs, an increase of cash. So we started in 2018. So we started analyzing this KPI, and this provides direction to our actions to understand whether or not we're reaching the our strategic goals. So this is connected to cash generation. So we started with 31.4%. Based on our adjusted EBITDA and cash generation. And we ended at 19.4% of our costs when we consider the adjusted EBITDA and costs. So we can see there has been a significant drop in the operating costs, together with the increase of our revenues. Here, I would like to talk about our investments, and this is something that has already been communicated to the market. We have a budget for investment of BRL 265.1 million. And we are going to be investing in improvement and reinforcement, and BRL 34 million in the hydroelectric power plants so that we can provide better service and also offer higher availability. And also, the investments related to transmission include reinforcements and improvements. And this is where the rate is attractive at a rate of 2 digits. And there's also an RAP, which has been established by the regulator and the return rate has reached 2 digits. And it's a very important way to discuss that all those implementation and these products are reinforces and improvements have lower terms than those that have been authorized by the agency. This is a result of the organization and the structure and the PMO of Copel Geração e Transmissão because all or projects are managed under a PMI methodology. I would like to say that the PMO of Copel GeT for this year is ranking above the 3 best PMOs in Brazil. So this is an event coordinated by the global PMO. So we expect to be very successful in this event. And for the next 10 years, we have an estimated investment in reinforcement, improvement. In 2023, we were authorized to invest BRL 200 million. It's very significant growth with return rate, which is very good and a very good management of the CapEx in order to provide expected profitability. So the expectation is to conduct this for 10 years. So we are going to update you every year, but you can understand the space that we have and you're going to see that this is much -- is more attractive than a new line. In relation to transmission, BRL 1.5 million in the next 10 years, and we have also made good investments in the maintenance and qualification and also in the improvement of the performance of our hydropower plants. We completed the investment in 2022 in Figueira power plant and GPS is going to start in 2024. And we're also going to modernize Segredo of 2025. These are the investments planned to be made so that we can maintain the performance and quality of our transmission assets. I would like to thank you for the attention and for the attendance.

Unknown Executive executive
#14

Berto, I think you provided a very broad view of GeT. But since you're accumulating the free market activities of Copel, let us go straight to the 3 markets that you can provide a perspective of the energy balance. And then I'm going to talk about the future vision of what we expect for 2024. And then we can move on to Copel distribution which is a topic that interests everyone who is attending this event. So provide a view of the energy balance.

Moacir Bertol executive
#15

I'm not going to introduce myself because I'm just going to continue saying. It's an honor for me to present together with Daniel, Copel Mercado Livre after talking about Generation and Transmission. The responsibility of trading all the energy of Copel Group and also the free consumers for present and future is Copel Mercado Livre. The responsibility is -- has the purpose of trading or the energy produced by the transmission and generating units, trying to make the best profit all the megawatt hour, which is generated by Copel Generation and Transmission. It also makes a very integrated management of all the portfolio of energy of Copel Generation and Transmission. And it also operates in the prevention and treatment of hydrological risk of GSF. Here, I would like to talk about the energy portfolio of Copel -- of Copel Group as a whole. We can see clearly that for 2024 and 2025, Copel is well contracted considering its energy portfolio. Our contracting level reached 81% for 2024 and 76% for 2025. The Pmix, the price mix of '24 is BRL 184 (sic) [ BRL 181 ] and in '25 BRL 171, megawatt hour. We have maintained the strategy, the successful strategy of leaving 15% of our portfolio for the GSF risk. After 2026 onwards, Copel still has a lot of energy to be traded because of Foz do Areia, fiscal guarantee. And we had contract up to 2024. So we have to consider all the fiscal guarantee of that plant because the scenario have not been defined. So we couldn't do business before that definition. So now we know that we have a great opportunity for selling energy as of 2026. So all our strategy of selling energy and trading energy is very focused and looking at the future prices and scenarios so that we can better monetize the energy, which is available in our portfolio. Here, in the energy market, we know that the short-term market is extremely challenging because of the favorable hydrology that we have seen in the last 2 wet seasons, much higher than the average, and that would lead to reservoir at levels higher than history years. Distributed energy has a lot of energy and a very strong expansion of renewable energy. So as a result, we see an oversupply of energy. So we understand that up to 2025, prices are not going to be affected as of 2026 onwards, the scenario of medium and long term. Considering the increase in the climate change and also a higher integration of intermediate sources, both solar and wind energy, and also considering the need to provide for the deficit of power for the plants whose CDO is different from 0. All this taken into consideration would lead to important results. And the plants need to provide an immediate answer to supply for the demand. So all those attributes have to be recognized by the regulator and also by the granting authorities according to the law to provide for the obligation for reserve of capacity. And we also expect that the medium- and long-term scenarios as a result of this need for more power would lead to higher demand of energy. And as a result, we are likely to have a direction that we have seen that is connected to the increasing prices. So we're going to have a decontracted energy level at a reasonable amount, which is favorable for us. So we have a lot of discussion, a lot of perspectives. So it's important to have this at this level and at this price. So the challenge is to have energy available when prices go up. But the prices should not be kept or provision for -- to be sold in the spot price in the short term. In 2021, we were the second largest generator of the company. So we have transformed all this auto -- to migrate all this competence to the retail market with the market breakthrough. So this is a challenge faced by the sector and it's a major challenge. And as I said, we have to take all the confidence that we have acquired to the -- that we acquired in the retail sector to the wholesale market. The people talk about digitalization, but people -- those clients still want a contact. They still want to have a better service, and we have to mature the way we provide service to this segment.

Daniel Slaviero executive
#16

Berto, you are the General Director of Generation Transmission. And in the last year, you also include the trading of energy into your competencies in order to manage all those activities together with the team. And all those areas considering generation, transmission, distribution and trading have been unified under a single leadership. And you have an integrated view of the portfolio, energy, energy from third parties, the energy that we purchased, submarket, wind energy, submarket, as I said, different sources. So we understand you're managing and you're leading all those different products and you also provide the hedging, and we see this as a competitive edge. And we also see that the governance has been enhanced together with the committees and we also have a tactical -- weekly technical meetings. And something that I would also like to mention is that we did a very deep review in our credit risk policy. It's a very sensitive topic in the trading market. So sometimes you see problems in this area. So the focus of the sales to the final clients and still talking about the volumes that we have seen. It was sold to 100% to the clients. And we also see the characteristic of a tag along. And now we are limited to 3, so that -- so as to avoid the level of uncertainties. And the challenge that we have for the future is to understand how the market is going to open. And for 2024, we're going to bring a new market General Director to contribute to our operations and bring in his vision and help us not only in trading energy but also bringing innovation, new businesses consider the market KPIs, which is a new reality for the sector. And we understand that this is going to be very beneficial to our sector. So we can offer better competitors and we can help the client and also help the generating companies that will have more space for the energy generation. And this is going to be very fundamental for the operation of Copel and the quality of sales. So we make available our generation distribution assets. We produce energy, but we have to have a qualified trading so that we can provide the right profitability. So this is a fundamental agenda for 2024 and to end this block of trading, you don't come from 10,000 clients in the low-voltage million clients without a deep process of digital transformation. We have a strategic partner operating with us, Google. It's the only one we are mentioning because it's the one that helps us to better migrate to the cloud. So we have called the artificial intelligence, so robotic intelligence of robotic models. All this is already ready and operating. Now we need to look at the transition related to the customers' journey. So there's room for growth. And in Paraná, Copel has a brand, which is very strong, and this is a competitive edge that we have.

Unknown Executive executive
#17

I would also like to highlight this item here, the competence that Copel has regarding the new wave, the comp models to have a better predictability of prices and also a robotic daily update with the databases looking for ONS and CC data to check the balanced conditions in the supply of power to the system as well as daily changes in prices.

Unknown Executive executive
#18

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#19

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#20

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#22

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Unknown Executive executive
#23

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Unknown Executive executive
#24

Max, the peak of audience Max for you. I cannot hear his microphone, I'm sorry.

Maximiliano Orfali executive
#25

It's a great honor to be able to hear you especially me, as a career employee, I represent all the my colleagues of Copel distribution company, being able to tell what we've done in this last year. Now speaking of Copel in numbers, we are more than 5,000 employees to serve 5 million customers. We are the fourth largest -- our concession goes up to 2045. We have 22 years more, something very -- people in Paraná are good payers, our default rates are also always very low. Our HDI above the Brazil average. So these are important points. Also, the GDP per capita is above. Our strategy has been to use our investments to make use of the tariff reduction. And this review -- this is being repeated in the second cycle of '21 to '25. Now in 2024, we expect to accelerate the volume of investments. And that has been approved -- the budget has been approved for 2024. That's a record of investment. For 2025, the budget of investments have not been approved, but we expect to grow because it's the last a year of the tariff cycle, the best year to invest. The curiosity of year 2023 is that 97.5% of investment was done in electric assets directly for the remuneration base. Also, our efficiency in using these funds has reached 99.3%. That's a very high value, close to 100, and we continue -- we intend to continue to do that, which shows the focus on our discipline. And 100% of what we invest goes to the base in the last 2 cycles, no denials, no rejections. Okay. On the remuneration base, I have signaled in blue, the years of review. In 2015, we doubled the base. In 2020, we have increased our base by 70%. And now with the investments approved for 2024, we will go beyond BRL 14.3 billion. And we still have the year 2025. I have made some calculations, but we're not going to disclose. But for those who like to -- it -- but I can tell you that it will accompany that scale, okay? So the question is, why are you investing so much in distribution? And the answer is that the base is depreciated, 56% of it has been depreciated. Every asset that starts to operate starts to be depreciated, but look at the assets that are fully depreciated, those that are not producing any real in [ currency ] remuneration is 35% and the average is for the industry is 18%, that our concessionaire is working with half that amount. So there's still a lot of room for us to continue to invest in our remuneration base with a great expectation to reduce OpEx because electric assets usually have a useful life of 20 to 30 years. If you exceeded that, it's because the cost to operate and maintain that asset is very high. So by changing those assets, we expect to have a reduction in OpEx. Will that have impact on consumers? Do you risk overcharging consumers? I have very good news for you. Today, we are the second lowest tariffs in Brazil. So we can continue to invest, and there will be no significant impact on consumers. The money that we have invested is shown here, 2 main pillars of our recent investments. Paraná Trifásico, I'm not going to go over them because you already know it, but the main focus is to reduce O&M costs. And the good news for 2023 is that we continue on schedule. And it has started in 2020, 6-year program. And 2023 is when we'll -- we would attain cruising speed. And we have attained this before year-end. So that shows once more our discipline, our focus to do things well. Intelligent Electric Network. The one in the middle is also an important project to reduce O&M costs. And the news is that we are almost finishing and delivering Phase 1. It started in 2021. Phase 2 is already on course and we have 600,000 measuring in its in communication, the meters are communicating. So future is here. And Phase 3 will start in 2024. Digitization, we have strongly invested in that buying state-of-the-art software. The top 4, I have already talked about. So the 2 at the bottom are the news. We are changing our billing system, our billing software. It's difficult to make decision, but the current software was implemented in 2011. So it was out of date to say the least. We had performance issues. So when buying this new software, we expect to have a performance gain, productivity gain. This is totally cloud-based. And there is another system called AIP, asset investment planning. We are the pioneer company -- as the first distribution company that's implementing the software, and it connects strategic planning to decisions of investments, we have infinite possibilities to invest in the network. Our planning engineers are continuously studying the system to choose the best option for expansion. And the idea here is to help in the decision-making process, prioritizing investment and optimizing capital allocation. So we expect to be more efficient when choosing investments. It's a giant Canadian company, Copperleaf, they have hundreds of customers worldwide using their software. Okay. And it all leads to our quality indicators. Since the renewal of our concession agreement in 2015, we have reduced these indicators gradually always below the ceiling established by ANEEL. I would like to shed some light on these last 2 years, 2022 and '23. We are now facing a increase in the severity of climate events. Today, we are going through controlled catastrophes, floodings, extreme rainfall storms with huge impact on our systems, wind speeds much higher than that would -- those that would be tolerated by our network, tornadoes. I've been with the company for 29 years. Most of this time dedicated to operation and maintenance, I've never seen anything like it at all. In my experience in the last 30 years in the company, the 5 worst climate events of our history have happened in these last 2 years despite all these challenges, and I would like to congratulate our teams for facing them brilliantly. We were able to maintain our indicators very close to the best historical indicators. DEC is around 7%. And which shows that our investments are really having a good effect. Our investments have caused our networks to be more robust and resilient. We are also investing on the expansion of the system. The state of Paraná is growing above the rates of Brazil, and there are regions in Paraná state that are growing above the average of the state. In order to face this challenge, we are looking on structuring work. Only 2024 we'll invest BRL 150 million, 16 new substations that will become operational more than 500 kilometers of high-voltage lines. So we need to prepare the system for the growth that's happening in the state of Paraná. And now Copel is a corporation. So how can we optimize costs. So we have divided in 5 pillars or regarding costs. Well, supply chain, we're no longer linked to the state governed process purchases. So we have larger suppliers, long-term contracts, and we are trying to call our main suppliers to try to understand what we can do together to gain productivity and reduce costs. It's a very comprehensive activity, but we have already started doing this. And this week, we have assigned the two-first agreements. We talked to the suppliers. We doubled the size of the agreements we already had with them. We define new deadlines, and we managed to have cost reductions at 20% or 30%, so this is something that we are likely to replicate. In terms of productivity, I'm going to talk about WFM, which is software to manage our field teams, when we send them to the field. For a basic number for you to have an idea, today, on a daily basis, we dispatched 10,000 services with our electricians. Every month, we move around about 3 million kilometers. So any gain that I can have, any optimization in the sense we will make better -- we'll bring in better productivity. So the implementation of the system is going to bring about important benefits. The new billing is also operates with large numbers. We have 12,000 calls in our call center. We have 10,000 services provided by our stores. So if we can improve this billing system, we are likely to have gains in productivity. We have already talked about [indiscernible] . So we have been using an optimal criteria for the replacement team, which is going to leave in August next year. So we are working on this in an optimal way to replace those positions, and we're also using the talent that we already have in our company. Out of curiosity, we have more than 200 electricians that are graduated as engineers. And now we can use them to provide services as engineers, and we can make advances in the operating activities. And we can also have improvements in our legal liabilities to collection costs, and we are likely to increase the collection amounts and also divestments. We have more than 100 properties that could be divested in the years to come. There is a range between BRL 200 million and BRL 300 million gains to get the gains. We are a company with the highest level of income, and we are also going to reduce nontechnical losses because we can see improvement potentials here. And also our own consumption, so we are likely to be the first company ever to have its own solar plant to offset its consumption. So this is also a place where we see a possibility of gain. And this is reflected here. This is the cost indicator, which is the most important one, which is the cost per consumer. So if we consider the numbers from 2016, so in the last 6 years, we reduced 36% this indicator, the cost per consumer. And today, with the result that we already have, we are better than the companies that host concession footprint is similar to ours. So you know that company that we usually use to compare ourselves with, we are faring better. But in 2025, we expect to be in the first quartile in the companies of the South and the Southeast. And in 2026, we want to be the benchmark of this group, from the Southeast downwards, we want to reach the best results. And we want to be in the first quartile in Brazil. And we -- even knowing that it's difficult to compare the areas of concession. We want to be in the average of the first quartile in the average in Brazil. And this has to be reflected here, which is related to the efficiency of EBITDA. The results in 2014, we had bad results, and in 2020, we wanted to cross this efficiency line. We anticipated by 18 months. So we crossed this sufficient line before we expected, and we continue to be efficient, and we had a natural drop after the tariff to have review because the regulatory base recognized and then the regulatory EBITDA is affected, and this is why I lose some percentage, but now we went back to the level. And in the third quarter of 2023, we delivered nearly 20%. And I see this trend as an engineer, and I see no reason why should it continue like that. So this is my expectation. This is not a guidance, but my expectation is that we are going to close 2023 with our historical level. Talking about the regulatory strategy, how do you handle regulations. We have an obsession to measure everything. We have to know how the game is played. So we work with this, the -- our team studies every day, every night, how the sector is regulated. We have already identified that there is a possibility to potentialize the regulatory incentives. Of course, if the regulator gives a sign, we should follow because this is where the possibility of game lies. So if the regulator indicates the direction we should follow optimization of our own labor. And this is something that we have already done with excellent results, excellent asset management. We are a company that manages assets, so we want to maximize what the assets can bring to our bases, maximization of our other revenues. This is also a point which is very important for all of us, which is related to something that we can gain. We are leaders in the sector. We have great credibility and we have to be in the discussions that happened in the sector. And this is all going to discharge in the ambition that I mentioned in our first Copel Day. We want to be the best and the most modern distributor in Brazil. [indiscernible] is the one who took this photograph. He's an electrician, and he likes photographs, and he likes to show the everyday lives of the electricians. So this shows that we take energy to where the client is. People do not buy energy. They buy life quality. If you pay attention down here, we can see an antenna. It's an antenna that connects this car, which is further in the area of Parana to our control center in Curitiba. And they managed to do the job using their tablets. So we take modernity and technology wherever it's necessary. Thank you so much. Congratulation Max. A very important part of our agenda is the Q&A. So we are to organize the questions. We're going to arrange the panel, and then I'm going to invite the Executive Board to also join us in this panel. Yes Max, you can sit here. [Foreign Language] Eduardo, please.

Unknown Executive executive
#26

[Operator Instructions] Yes, Pimentel. Go ahead.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#27

So my first question is related to the PMSO reduction. So in the estimate to reach a higher level in 2026. So how do you intend to go about that?

Unknown Executive executive
#28

It's an end in itself. First of all, it's not a metric that we are after. That would be a consequence that -- our technology investments will lead us to because we cannot compare avocado in -- to an apple. Considering areas, concession and the cost of compensation of people. So we cannot compare those things. So this is what makes sense then we can provide more detail. So this is -- this has to do with how our efforts will lead us to because we want to be the benchmark in the South and Southeastern regions of Brazil. Because the conditions are similar and some concession areas are similar so that we can make the comparisons. I would say that the massive use of technology will bring those results. So we have seen some investments in some other places to both Smart Grid and Parana, bias and other initiatives will bring competitive differential and will allow us to reach it. We understand that this is not an end in itself, but we believe that these results are likely to be reached. There is a regulatory point that has to be considered. We have to follow the rules. You may generate value. It's not even the main lever. It just is one of the levers. But regulation has to be complied with so that we can have a balance. Otherwise, every tariff cycle, you will not get all the benefits that you should from this work.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#29

And part of this reduction is included in the plan of 406, 480 that was mentioned in the beginning.

Unknown Executive executive
#30

I'm sorry, I cannot understand the question. We have an estimated CapEx for this investment, both at Foz do Areia. And we started the negotiations together with Caxias team. And there is also some movement towards Segredo. I would say that Copel considering the conditions that were mentioned considering that we have the 2 slots already ready, and we have already negotiated with the GTT's suppliers. I would say that we are very competitive and the return level is very high already. What I would like to add -- to provide this number, reveals to our competitors, what our bid strategy will be. This is all we can say, we not need to do all the civil construction work to make the adaptations of the plant to install the new machines there. So our biggest cost would be the machines. Of course, there are some adjustments to be made, but the highest cost would be related to the machines. I would also like to say that the environmental permit is very simple, and it will not impact the schedule for the implementation of those machines. We are looking at this slide because, first, in order to participate your renewal concession has to be ready. So that would be a barrier. But if a person -- if the entity does not have the 50 renovation. And in addition to that, you have no civil work involved. You have nothing to add. So all the costs would be the turbine. So we tend to be very competitive, and have a surprising TIR in the process. There's still a regulatory challenge to be faced which related to the hydropower plant, and the other discussion is when the auction is going to be held in the first half of the year or in the second half of the year. Maybe there will be just one auction for the year. So it's likely that it's going to be held in the beginning of the second half of the year. Those are excellent points, but it's not very clear yet. Bertol, you can answer the second part of the question. It's not very clear how this is going to come about. We have 3 categories; thermal, hydro and the third one, which is related to batteries. People were mentioning about the technological evolution, including batteries. Of course, it's not very clear how mature this is. So hydro and thermal assets are likely to come into play. So the ordinance will provide more details in relation to the 172 of power Bertol.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#31

What define the products that are going to be hired are the ordinance of that provides the guidance of the ministry.

Unknown Executive executive
#32

We are waiting for this information. And we have a lot of contact with the Ministry in -- not in an official way and not in a privileged way. But we have some indication of how the auction is going to be held. I believe that batteries are going to be included because this is important to have these assets because considering the energy transformation in the country, they are likely to include the intermittent renewables and batteries. So it can be 6 or 7 hours per day, 81%. This is likely to be the offer of those plants. And the most important attribute includes the connections, and we need no reinforcement to this connection, so it's auxiliary services generator. As for the environmental aspect, we do not need to do much. So this is the qualification we have in order to take part in this auction.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#33

I am from Safra Bank. I am sorry, the sound is not reaching the booth with quality. I would -- he's asking about the dividend policy.

Unknown Executive executive
#34

Excellent point. We are looking at something that we should have seen in 2020. So you have the selling price, and we can see that the prices is at the floor. So what happens now? There's a power in the intermittent plant. So you can see the fluctuation at the end of the day, at the end of the afternoon. And this is something that we were not expecting. And A&S did not expect this event. And this is something that would happen, and we can see that the prices are being repositioned to the long term. And this is what we have been feeling in the market. There are clients, major clients, that would like to buy long-term positions in order to mitigate the risk, because this is a perception that the prices are likely to go up, which is very likely. So we do not want to have a level of exposure, which is too high. So we believe a level of discontracting energy for the long term because this is something that's going to be affected along the time in the sector. So we are leaving a new reality, and we have to address this with the government agents. Well, we see a change in prices in the longer horizon. As of 2025, prices are above BRL 100 per megawatt. Our models already indicate that. And the operation conditions of the system with a strong heat that increases demand highly. So we also hope that we go back to scenario -- not peak prices of 2021, but energy prices would go back to adequate levels for investors and the industry, that will not be lower than the marginal cost of expansion above 150 otherwise it will be a collapse. Climate changes, that's the new normal. Let's see how hot it will be in January and February. There's super [indiscernible]. [indiscernible] will come next. So this is the new reality. That's why it's a challenge for operations. And those who have sources will have a competitive advantage in the medium and long run. As for dividends, the dividend policy is something you execute as it goes. I mean in practice. We didn't want to change this now because the large companies have a dividend policy of a minimum of 25%. So -- and they carry out when there's a lot of changes that would be for Copel as a state-owned company. We paid BRL 65, BRL 89, this is not a concern now. What we don't want is to be underleveraged, which is below 2.5%. If there's an opportunity, the natural trend is to pay more dividends. The policy allows that if the company generates a lot of cash. So we have more than BRL 6.6 Billion for investments for 2024. So '24, '25, you need to be careful. And for us, it means to stick to the policy, a payout of 50%. They mature, structured integrated company as Copel has to have 50% as the baseline for dividends. If we make investments, that could go down a bit momentarily, otherwise increase the payout. When we talk about value generation, we seek a compound the valuation, aggregate valuation of the compound in time. So that includes the valuation as well as a compound that is attractive with the payout of dividends. If you could complement on that, with including leverage. Yes, the history shows that we are not linked to the net income. So leverage will give us the directions for medium and long run, as done previously. BRL 6 billion of investments next year that we will have to reach a balance. '25, although we didn't give any guidelines, we'll continue to invest, and wherever we can, we'll pay dividends. We'll not have a leverage that's lower than 2.5%. And the need for adjustments, we need to understand what message we'll give to the market. We have discussed this recently. Since it's flexible and it meets the medium term, let's say, for the next 2 years view. So that solves our in-house issue, and therefore, the message to the market is clear. I'm sorry, we cannot hear the question. Contracts with suppliers, 15% to 20%. This type of measure that you're working having third-party services and suppliers' contracts, the study -- the full study would be for the second phase. And if yes, what other lines we could include in the analysis. These initial measures are all part of it already included. What Mark said, Bertol said, Segredo the sale of the SHPs that's all included in the PDV to reach a balance of 480, always a 3-year view. That's the first time we're giving this guidance, but that's linked to what we promised at the road show. So delivering this 3-year view. So how does that apply to Phase 1, Phase 2? Phase 1 is what we look for, the best references in the market. We look at the contract level, and we include what we had planned -- mapped already. There is unification, you gain scale, that improves for suppliers. So costs are reduced. That's part of it. The second phase, Phase 2, you look account by account, when there's room but already -- have not been included. Are there opportunities? Certainly. But we didn't want to start that because we would be running around in circles without a consistent number to present. The other example of the distribution company there is a unified unification of contracts. Okay. Let's think about -- that's been included already. But let's think about different types of contracts by demand, efficiency that we see some large -- some more modern distribution companies having. Well, that's a new phase. We have to prepare that during 2024 and the benefits will be included in the second phase for improvements. What's important is not to create expectation that something this big will happen again. We look for inefficiencies now, but there will be another voluntary dismissal program in 2025. Marcel says it well, this is an endless process. I mean when you get there, you see there's still room for improvement. There's a new way of looking at it. So what's important that this is a leverage. No company generates long-term value in a sustainable way just by cutting costs. So removing inefficiencies that are part of a state-owned company. There was a large gene linked to bidding processes, structure all of that, and that's no longer needed. How long does it take to build a substation with a 8 months bidding process, that's no longer needed. So that adds efficiency to the company. The second phase of OBZ is closely linked to processes. There are still processes that are being carried out in the old-fashioned way and also technology. This combination will make a difference in the next cost reduction cycle.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#35

This is Bernardo from [indiscernible]. The first -- I have a question. I would like to go back to the topic. It's very important to understand what are the steps that the board of officers will follow. If it doesn't continue, all right, if it continues, I understand you have not yet paid the granting -- the grant fee, what do you intend to do? I understand that it's -- it will be something new, but how would that work for you? And my second question, going back to dividend policy and dividend payout, analysts make some calculations, but all the companies in the electric industry have a high TIR, that is high. TIR is tangible for investors when money is in their pockets.

Unknown Executive executive
#36

So if you decreased this return as the money comes in, I'm sure that [indiscernible] looks into that with -- in detail, but Audi has declared a high dividend that's already expected by the market. And the share prices increased more than 7% because you're giving back to shareholders, the TIR, the internal rate of return. So I don't believe there are many changes to happen with the high return rate. So as you no longer have so much investments to be made to return those funds to shareholders is excellent and important. Okay. Excellent. Let's -- why -- in the first chart, you have 404% return in the first cycle. Because we saw telecom deleveraging, we paid high dividends. So that is part of it. And it's a virtual cycle. As you return money to shareholders the IRR goes down. Our company that 7.5%, 8.5%, maybe it certainly makes more sense. So for us, we worry about the compound, BRL 6 billion first year plus something to have a -- we cannot allow a mismatch. The policy of dividends is 50%. So that's a good short-term scenario. This is on the top of our agenda. This component that you mentioned that's linked to the valuation of the shares, it's on the top of our agenda, we will take good care of it. Don't worry. As for the locational signal, we have written to the ministry. If it passes, we'll ask for a recalculation. The right value, the 3 plants is BRL 1.20 billion. That's a significant value. If the law passes, we'll have to ask for a recalculation. We think that the Ministry of Finance will move that forward because of the fiscal deficit. There are some months still, we have already suggested that to postpone into the half of the year next year. Since we didn't have a confirmation, we're waiting for their formal answer. So if that changes, the first thing we do as for recalculation, then nobody really knows how that will happen. And we have worked and still hope for the good. The common sense to prevail for that, we are not passing -- now it's [indiscernible] in the Southeast trillion debt, the Northeast governors working on that. [indiscernible] made a presentation to these governors to explain that there is a loss here. It's such a nonsense bill because it's a huge discussion that is bad for consumers in the Northeast. So the tariff reviews that will come for the Northeast will increase their complaining already. The tariffs are high, and they would do something that would be bad for them. Well, of course, we have to respect the politics portion of it. But in our point of view, it's not a good thing. We're very critical of that, and we'll work as hard as possible for common sense to prevail.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#37

I have 2 questions. First, Copel has an interesting case of short term, but it's interesting that you used the word compound, and in this long-term marriage between you and investors, 2 things are important. People and the quality of the energy distribution concession. So I would like to understand how are you going to create this commitment for that people will continue the Board of officers. And the second question is, you have shown that Copel has a ratio that is one of the lowest of Brazil. Most of the investment made would be to modernize the grid for the network. But I would like to know how much network expansion will have some investments that will provide double game to compensate for the investments you make or in the OpEx for the future.

Unknown Executive executive
#38

Well, when we say that we did some work during 90 days. 90 days was the main focus of the work of the project, but that is a much longer-term. This is the advantage of having a word of officers that was integrated. And even during the state-owned phase, it had people from the market, that have the support of the Board of Directors. So the more united, the more consistent the Board is and the Board of officers is the more well advanced. So these initiatives were mapped and have been consolidated in 90 days. The second point is that in our strategic planning. Actions more related to the private market are about to happen now. One portion is December 18, but the major change is for April and it meets the goals of alignment increasing competitiveness of people who came from the market, but especially retain the talents that are here in the company. Our -- the commitment of the 7 of us, that representing several thousand people here, it's a historical commitment that we have to the largest company in the state of Parana. We want to continue to make part of this development of this success case. Don't forget your question. So we do not make a single investment only thinking about the regulatory aspect. We always think about cost reduction. Is it those that create redundancy, it may make it more difficult for us to reduce costs, but we are always on the lookout for cost reduction. So we always think about cost. So we say if I'm going to do something in this low voltage or high potash. So I even think about this when I do an operation related to the voltages. So we would say that no investor is made only thinking about the regulatory dimension. And some actions are also included in the PMSO reduction. Sometimes, it's difficult to give an accurate number.

Andre Sampaio analyst
#39

Good afternoon. This is Andre Sampaio with Santander. I have 2 questions on my side. The first one is related to the hydropower plant compensation. You mentioned that you have some work to be done in order to improve the compensation of the hydropower plants. So what would be the planning so that you would try to improve the compensation of the hydropower plants. And I would like to hear about the inorganic growth in distribution area. What are the profile of assets you would be looking at mature assets, assets which are facing financial problems. What's the idea you have for this area? It's not light, and it's not Amazon's energy. This is what I would like to say.

Unknown Executive executive
#40

Final stop. So let's be straight to the point, let us not even start. As I said, those assets are not on the shelf. You do not see an M&A offering, okay? We are selling this asset in sea. But what we are after more than anything else? It's been at scale. So scale preciposes geographical proximity and similar consumers -- just disclosing what I can, I think that this asset profile is what is interested in me, but they are not in the market. So we are studying, we are trying to find new ways to -- for Copel [indiscernible] in the format, it has today to approach -- smart approaches both for us and for those who are operating assets. There's no M&A at this point, nothing on the radar. So we're just saying that if anything comes up, that would make sense for us, we are at a level of maturity, a level of expertise and know-how that would allow us to expand. and if you look at Copel Gas and when we look at decarbonization, we see that it's a great business. Why we are leaving a regulation, which is stable and moving to something different? Because we want to focus on electric energy. And we see a lot of advantage in this. And of course, it's not at any cost. The market has to define the value. So we are not doing any investments at any cost. Just a comment because gas distribution has lots of similarities, but it's at less advantage -- the advanced stage. [indiscernible] to hydro energy, that involves a broader discussion. It will involve the discussion of companies that have hydro energy as its main grid. Eletrobras, of course, is the main or the leader, the locomotive in this topic. We are interested in this way, interested in negotiating with them. [indiscernible] from the other company is very vocal. We are improving the association called [indiscernible] so that we can take the leading role because factor out for us to see. So in spite of the thermal power plant, we -- even with that, we had the blackout problems. So as Petal said, we have to manage them with 0 marginal cost. It's no longer possible. And this is not something that's going to be done in the short term, but this thesis that we believe, the A&S Director has declared in several occasions that in order to supply for the deficit of power, civil will no longer be used. So the 0 are offered by the hydropower plants. Now they will have to value this service or to provide further demand, so that they can supply for what the hydro plants cannot offer. And major generators have to have the attributes considering the intermittent problems. So this is what is more significant. And as has been mentioned, it has a great -- the great impact -- the greatest impact on the system is the end of the afternoon when the distributed generation with no sun, no wind, they have to resort to other sources. And the hydro assets are connected and disconnected. And this is why we expect to be valued. I know we are running out of time, but I would like to read some questions and I would like Bertol to answer. And then we can answer two more questions. And Francia Gambetta asks the expansion of capacity contemplates plan for Copel for 2030? Or are they not accounted for? Yes, of course, it's included in the plan. It's part of the process. We talked about the vision. We're talking about the pillars for 2030. These are unchangeable, but the strategic objectives may need some adjustments. We used to talk about GD and it does not make sense anymore for us today because with the opening of the market, if there is no expansion of the subsidies, and it makes no sense for us, as I said. Yes, but the -- to answer Francia's question, yes, it is within the scope of our 2030 vision of [indiscernible]. This is Valdimir. My question is related to subsidies. This week, we saw that there was an extension of 36 months. Do you think this is going to be broad, do you think the impact is going to be major or minor. What can you say about this bill? First, nobody has information. We do not have further information in addition to those information that we see in the market. But in essence, our view is very critical in terms of the expansion of the subsidies. So it is area that does not require that and consumers will pay a more expensive bill. It doesn't make sense anymore. We should have an agenda that would discuss self production. How can we end the distortion in the market. We should not be extending incentives to some sources who have already reached the level of maturity that should be enough, and it's difficult to remove these things that are offered in Brazil. And there is an additional concern, but as I said, you may start with 4 articles, but how many articles are going to -- we're going to have when we finish this. So from the conceptual viewpoint to extend those subsidies for sources that do not need those, we are going to be talking about installing offshore wind power. It doesn't make sense. This is the way that we see this. I think we have come to an end. A final comment, a final remark to all of those who are here with us and all of those who are online. And I have some comments that I'm going to disclose to you after lunch. But I would like to thank everyone who attended this event -- for when you could understand the level of detail that we have been studying and have been disclosing to you. I would like to thank all my friends, all the executives all the board members, all the executives, the officers, the IR team, the communication team, [indiscernible] everybody who have organized this event. So I would like to give you the final message. This is a journey for us. It did not start at 90 days ago. It started a long while ago. And all the results that we have achieved are actions that we have started back then, but it's a long-term journey. Our commitment is for the long term too. Copel does not need any revolution. Copel needs constant and consistent evolution. This is our job. We do not expect any major change, but little constant evolutions will take us to this level. And lastly, our focus is, as I said in the beginning, our success is based on the impeccable execution of our strategic plan. This is our commitment. This is the historical responsibility that all of us have assumed. Thank you. Thanks, everyone.

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