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GMR Airports Limited (GMRAIRPORT) Earnings Call Transcript

August 13, 2026

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Operator operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the GMR Airport Limited conference call to discuss Q1 FY 2027 results. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. We have with us today Mr. Saurabh Chawla, Executive Director, Finance and Strategy. Before we begin, I would like to state that some of the statements made in today's discussion may be forward-looking in nature and may involve risks and uncertainties. Also, recording or transcribing of this call without prior permission of the management is strictly prohibited. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Saurabh Chawla for opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#2

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. I'm delighted to begin this by sharing a significant milestone in our journey. GMR Airports family has further expanded with the addition of Nagpur Airport and Bhogapuram International Airport to our operating portfolio. We assumed operations of Nagpur Airport on 25th June, while Bhogapuram was inaugurated by the Honorable Prime Minister of India on 1 August and is scheduled to commence commercial operations on 17th of August. Notably, all scheduled commercial passenger operations currently handled at existing Visakhapatnam Airport will transition to Bhogapuram, creating a new aviation gateway for North Andhra Pradesh. Bhogapuram is particularly special for us. completing a greenfield airport of the scale ahead of schedule reflects the strength of our execution capabilities, deep operational expertise and the commitment of our teams. While the sector is navigating through the challenges arising from the geopolitical developments in the Middle East as well as in Ukraine and Russia, we continue to believe that the long-term fundamentals of air travel remain exceptionally strong. The International Air Transport Association, IATA, projects Asia Pacific passenger traffic to increase from approximately 1.7 billion passengers in 2024 to 4.1 billion passengers by 2044, with India expected to remain 1 of the most important contributors to this growth. Importantly, the vision of transforming India into a global aviation hub is no longer a future aspiration. It has already begun to take shape. On the Aviation business perspective, Air India has launched its hub and spoke strategy with Delhi Airport as country's first operational hub, enabling passengers from cities such as Varanasi and Amritsar to complete check-in and immigration formalities at their origin airport and seamlessly connect to international destinations through Delhi. In fact, the Delhi state government's decision to reduce VAT on ATF from 25% to 7% with effect from 16th May is proving a level playing field for Delhi Airport aiding the Envision hub strategy. At the same time, Indian carriers are entering a new phase of international expansion with Air India set to restore most of its international services from September 1, while IndiGo and other airlines are expanding the international operations and fleet size. These developments are creating a powerful multiplier effect for airport operators, particularly the hub airports, as growth extends beyond passenger volumes into the non-aeronautical revenue streams and commercial land development. On that note, let me now delve into our quarter 1 performance. Momentum in total income continued with quarter 1 at INR 40.8 billion, up 23% year-on-year. More than 50% of this income came from non-euro businesses and about 1/3 also came from the Aero revenue. EBITDA for the quarter grew 22% year-on-year to INR 15.7 billion. PAT for the quarter came at INR 1.5 billion versus a loss of INR 1.4 billion in quarter 1 of fiscal '26. Reported quarterly PAT has remained positive for the fourth consecutive quarter. Consolidated net debt, excluding FCCBs of INR 28.9 billion, which are deep in the money, remain unchanged versus last quarter at INR 340 billion. Combined net debt of Delhi and Hyderabad decreased by INR 5.9 billion offset by the increase of INR 3.1 billion at Bhogapuram and INR 2.9 billion at GAL stand-alone. On the operational front, traffic at GAL operated airports rose 1% year-on-year in quarter 1 fiscal '27 reaching 30.5 million passengers. This excludes the traffic at Cebu sale. On a quarterly basis, India's international traffic share handled by gas-operated airports was highest in past 4 years. However, as we have been alluding to in the recent past, we expect traffic to remain soft in the first half of fiscal '27 and recover only in the second half of fiscal '27. And this I would also like to highlight that we have some seasonality on a quarterly basis. Hyderabad has been impacted by the ongoing station geopolitical instability, exposure to migraine gulf fruits and rising airfares, while on domestic front, impact is due to the route rationalization by certain airlines. We see some green shoots emerging as Air India plans to restore more suspended domestic and international flights from September onwards after cutting up to 15% capacity during June to August. Total income at Delhi Airport rose 17% year-on-year to INR 20.7 billion. Aero revenues rose 24% year-on-year, and non-aero revenues increased 13% year-on-year. EBITDA for quarter 1 was up 11% year-on-year to INR 7 billion. With this, the airport has reported profit of INR 0.7 billion for Q1 fiscal '27, making it the fifth consecutive quarter of positive PAT. At Hyderabad, total income for quarter 1 was INR 6.3 billion, almost unchanged year-on-year, while Aero revenues fell 7% year-on-year. Non-aero revenues increased by 12% year-on-year. EBITDA for quarter 1 is almost unchanged year-on-year at INR 3.9 billion. PAT for the quarter was INR 847 million, up 35% year-on-year. Mopa or Goa Airport reported a total income of INR 1.3 billion in a up 23% year-on-year. Aero revenue increased 31% year-on-year as tariffs reverted to normal post discontinuation of special incentive plan. Non-aero revenues increased by 8% year-on-year. Notable achievements during the quarter are combined aero yield per pax, or YPP in quarter 1 fiscal '27 was INR 445 for Delhi, Hyderabad and Mopa. And non-aero income per pax or IPP was INR 691. This includes the revenues from non-aero businesses adjusted for revenue share paid 2 airports and non-aero revenues reported by Delhi, Hyderabad and Mopa, Goa airports. To clarify, MRO and Hyderabad hotels are not part of the above IPP number. Non-Aero and aero performance improved sequentially despite muted traffic. Coming to our non-aero adjacency business. Duty-free revenue at Delhi and Hyderabad was stable versus quarter 4 despite softness in international traffic. At both airports, Duty Free achieved highest monthly spend per passenger in June '26. At Hyderabad, the new larger duty-free store is ready, expanding the store size from 400 square meters to 1,300 square meters, that will enable us to introduce new categories and products. GAL will participate in bids for non-aero adjacency businesses that are repaid by airports as and when the respective concessions at the airports end. Construction multiple airport land development projects is underway. Details of which are available in the results presentation. Fiscal '27, we'll see the handover off DIAL's first self-development commercial building at Delhi Hero City where the pre-leasing discussions are already underway. At Mopa or Goa, sublicense agreements were signed for a retail interchange, Mice Hotel as well as a K-12 Day School, while at Bhogapuram, the hotel under the Vivanta brand is in final stages of construction. CARA upgraded the credit rating of CAL to CARA positive stable from INR 15 billion NCBs as well as long-term bank facilities. And for CARE 1+ from K1 for short-term business facilities. MRO business signed an agreement with Honeywell Aerospace for maintenance, repair and overhaul of 7 Honeywell aerospace line replacement units installed on LEAP engines powering Airbus 320neos and Boeing 737 MAX. In line with our responsibility as a leading airport infrastructure company, sustainability remains deeply embedded in the way we design, build and operate our assets. Across our portfolio, we continue to focus on decarbonization, renewable energy adoption, water stewardship, waste management, operational efficiency and community development. The ESG achievements highlighted in our investor presentation reflect our commitment to responsible growth while maintaining the highest standards of governance, safety and operational excellence. As we expand our footprint, sustainability will continue to remain a core pillar of our strategy and a key enabler of long-term value creation. In closing, GMR Airports today is very different from what it used to be a few years ago. We have evolved from being primarily an airport operator into an integrated airport infrastructure platform with growing exposure to commercial development, retail, duty-free, cargo, MRO and hospitality and the airport linked urban ecosystems. As these businesses continue to scale, we expect an increasingly diversified and resilient earnings profile that will complement our core airport operations and strengthen long-term value creation for all stakeholders. The presentation with all financial numbers is already available with you. If not, you can download it from our IR section of our website. We are available to respond to your questions on this call and offline after the call. I would like to open the forum for queries that can -- that will be addressed by my colleagues from corporate and business teams. Thank you so much.

Operator operator
#3

[Operator Instructions] We take the first question from the line of Prateek Kumar from Jefferies.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#4

Firstly, on Hyderabad airport traffic to be extremely weak in recent quarters, could you highlight any initiatives specifically if you might be taking to revive traffic related to some loss of tracked to competing airports? And what should be our growth expectation for this airport for FY '27-'28 in this current environment?

Unknown Executive executive
#5

As far as the Hyderabad airport is concerned, I think the new rules are also being now opened for the international. As far as the domestic is concerned, efforts are being made to provide some incentives to the airlines. As it is, we have not lost the traffic to any competing airports, it is all India phenomena expect Delhi, which has got growth. So the traffic, what we are expecting in '26, '27 is more or less of the last year, traffic about $30.5 million to $31 million.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#6

Prateek, again, I want to highlight over here is that while TSs a component Hyderabad a bulk of our traffic, but as we have now made this into a platform, there are multiple streams of revenue that flow into our consolidated results. So in the -- in our May call, we had already highlighted that there will be a soft first half based on the airlines inputs as they rationalize their routes. And now as we speak right now, we are giving you a much more robust outlook for the second half of this year, given, again, the inputs that we have from the airlines as they come back with an expanded capacity.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#7

Sure. My other question is on the new aero tariff framework, which has been talked about. Would you update on Ara's thinking around the proposed shift lavage airport should be allowed to recover a charge only after completion of underlying. This could mean for your tariff expectations which you talked about of increasing versus prior period for the next center.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#8

Are you referring to the incremental IRR concept of RERA or which 1 you are referring?

Prateek Kumar analyst
#9

Yes, incremental. So last quarter, we guided for like at Hyderabad will be higher versus a comp period. So what is our expectation now in new framework? I know it's still in discussion in seating. But how should we think for modeling to?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#10

Modeling purposes, the conceptually, it is actually 1 and the same. There is not much difference between earlier concept and a new concept. What the regulator was mentioning is that the increased tariff will be provided once the asset is put to use construction is completed. However, the good thing is in the consultation paper of Hyderabad, we can also see, has already acknowledged that INR 13,800 crores is being spent by Hyderabad Airport. And accordingly, the tariffs also will go up soon after the construction is completed. That is what is the recommendation. However, we have already made a request to be regulated that the moment to provide the increase in tariff after put to use, then there will be a sudden spike in the tariffs. So to equalize it toward a period of time, we have still suggested the regulator that the current methodology should be continued, and the airlines are also expressed this more or less the same view, though they did not say specifically because they also do not want any spikes suddenly. In case of Hyderabad, for example, September '29, when the construction completes, the current tariff, which has proposed INR 485 will become almost INR 900, but that is not advisable for the airlines or the airports. So we have suggested the regulator. Our regulator has actually requested us to come back with a revised formula. So more or less, we will be sticking on to the existing methodology only. We have to still wait and see how the regulatory is going to respond.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#11

Okay. And a question on other airports. So like Bhogapuram airport based on the current tariffs, which came recently, what is the implied by PP and how does this compare versus your expectation of airport and operation scale up?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#12

The Bhogapuram airport the to tariff is basically regulator provides around 60% to 75% of the actual tariff only. So he has given us the average yield of around INR 200 as ADHOC, our expectation should be in the range of between INR 1,800 to INR 2,000 per pax.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#13

Regulator has given INR 200 versus expectations about INR 1,800.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#14

No, no, 1,200 is the tariff. And normally, a regulator provides around between 60% to 75% of the actual tariff only they give as a home. They don't give nearer to the study. So our tariff expectation between INR 1,700 crore to INR 1,900 yield per pax. Final tariff.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#15

Okay. Lastly, on Nagpur Airport, could you share FY '26 revenue, EBITDA for the airport?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#16

FY '26 -- no, because the last year, they have closed -- it was operated by MIL. They have closed with around INR 140 crores of the revenue and EBITDA about INR 40 crores to INR 45 crores, if I'm correct, because they don't have any interest or they don't have anything else. I think they have posted a PAT around INR 30 crores, INR 35 crores.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#17

And we will start seeing 15% revenue share -- or sorry, 18% an share on this INR 140 crore number coming up and that will impact EBITDA. How should we think of EBITDA in FY '27?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#18

No. We continue to pay 14.9% of the revenue share. That is as per the concession agreement. And we have already started because in June, we have already started July. And EBITDA -- their EBITDA and our EBITDA is not comparable because the way they operate non-aero revenue under the areas are very, very premature, whereas we are going to totally ramp up the entire terminal as well as non-aero areas. So we are expecting that our EBITDA and profit should be much better.

Operator operator
#19

We take the next question from the line of Nathan Gee from Bank of America.

Nathan Gee analyst
#20

Maybe 2 questions from me. Firstly, just in terms of Delhi, are you able to talk about 1Q costs. I think they were up about 19% year-on-year. the drivers of that? And is that a good run rate for the next few quarters? So that's the first question. Second question is just in terms of short-term traffic. Anything you can say around the July traffic trends? And so it is June a good image for how July is trending?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#21

In case of the Delhi, in the first quarter, the expenses have gone up on 2 fronts. One is being the summer there is reflect charges have gone up by about INR 17 crores, INR 18 crores. The second 1 is airport operator fees payable on the previous year turnover. So the previous turnover is more than INR 7,800 crores on the year-end basis. That's why there is an extra provision towards the airport operator fee in the first quarter. These are the 2 major. And small repair and maintenance, about INR 10 crore extra has come up during this quarter. And it will be moderated over a period of the next 3 quarters.

Operator operator
#22

We take the next question from the line of Karthik Chellappa from Indus Capital.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#23

Sir, 2 questions from my side. The first is, as far as our stand-alone debt is concerned, I know you had highlighted in the past that this is likely to go up and it's more opportunistic because you are preparing to bid for various projects. At what point do you think the stand-alone debt is likely to peak?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#24

Currently, the stand-alone debt is standing around INR 7,400 crores. As of today, we have like grow another INR 200 crores only to rise as per the bondholders covenant is concerned. For the time being, we are not planning to raise any additional debt for it because we don't have any further requirement of investment. Nagpur, we have already done some investment. And as far as other projects are all concerned, we have already made investments. So right now, we are not planning for any additional debt. As there's no opportunity right now. We don't have an opportunity right now. So that's why I think the debt is peaking at about INR 7,400 crores and shall remain at this. If there is any opportunity, which requires us to raise capital, then, of course, we will raise it. And along with that, there will be, of course, EBITDA contribution that will come against that -- any GAAP debt raise that we do. So at this stage, I think from your modeling perspective, I assume that it is about INR 7,400 crores.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#25

And so what will be the average cost of this date, sir?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#26

No. Average cost of debt as of today is around 11%, 11.5% maximum. And another INR 1,500 crores is coming up. I mean it is completing the makeover period. We are now targeting below 10% of cost for refinancing of INR 1,500 crores. So our intention is the entire debt cost should come below 10% over the next 12 months period.

Unknown Executive executive
#27

And I just also want to clarify that the 7,400 crore is the gross debt number. the net debt number is about INR 6,400 crore, INR 6,500 -- so because it has cash also sitting on its books. So I think from a tracking perspective, look at the net debt number start.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#28

This is useful. The reason I ask is, if I look at our first quarter interest liability on GaN stand-alone, which is look about INR 290 crores, if I just annualize it, let's say, about INR 1,200 crores or so. And if I take that on the gross debt amount, the interest cost simply comes to a much higher number than 11% to 11.5%. So I'm just trying to see how to reconcile that?

Unknown Executive executive
#29

I think this includes the finance cost includes the FCCB interest also.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#30

You need to exclude the FCCB interest.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#31

Okay. So the balance in recipe of CCD interest to just see that FCCB.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#32

You should take it as equity because it's deep into money. The strike price is INR 43, 40. But because of the accounting standards, we need to recognize the interest on an accrual basis over there.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#33

My second question, sir, is if you look at Hyderabad the traffic pressure, you already explained in your opening remarks. And if you look at the non-aero revenue growth, that has been very, very healthy. In fact, on a per tax basis, it is also up double digits, which are very, very commendable given the current circumstances. But despite that, the absolute EBITDA didn't grow for Hyderabad. Apart from the non-aero revenue decline and the traffic pressure, are there any other nuances which also resulted in the EBITDA not grow? Or is it just purely traffic and aero revenue decline driven?

Unknown Executive executive
#34

It is more or less purely on aero income. And as far as non-aero income is actually compensated the loss of revenue under euro income, if you look at the comparison of even Q4 to Q1 are given over Q1.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#35

Okay. And we said that the traffic improvement we expect in second half '27, but for the full year, Hyderabad value traffic volume growth will more or less be flat year-on-year, if I heard that correctly.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#36

Yes. Yes, you heard that correctly. It will remain flat as it was last year. And that is the only, honestly speaking, the soft part of our portfolio, if you were to compare with fiscal '25. Delhi has -- is showing good growth. And hopefully, I think the second half will catch up for Hyderabad. But on an overall annual basis, it will be flat.

Operator operator
#37

We take the next question from the line of Aditya Mongia from Kotak Institutional Equities.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#38

That being said, a few questions from my side. The first question that I had was just on, let's say, the loans that have been given from GAL to outside entities. I think it's a relevant number at about INR 2,000-odd crores, if I'm not wrong. Since we have only as much of railway remaining to invest from a rotate perspective, you've said any thought process of getting this money back and then what other times are the same.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#39

So Aditya, let me just give you a background. GAL never gave specific loans to its associate entity, which is GP while. This is part of the demerger process that happened a few years back. So in the demerger process, as per the tax laws, you have to identify the end use of the debt that is raised of the merged entity. And as per that end use, you have to then allocate it to the 2 demerged entities. So this is the history behind this current debt, which is there in GAL's books. Second thing is GAL has already received last year to receive about INR 800 crores, INR 850-odd crores from GP while, and this year also, it is expected to receive another INR 1,000-odd crores. So there is a plan that is in place, which was agreed at the time of the demerger that over a period of 4 to 5 years, GP Oil will continue to pay off its debt to GAL. So it is continuing as per the plan. And we expect that over the next 3-odd years, the total money of about INR 2,500 crores plus the interest will be received from GPL to gas. That's the broad construct.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#40

Understood. Just a trite question, from a dividend perspective, this is obviously an inflow coming in. But then there will also be certain covenants wherein the debt number that to, first of all, we pay down, I'm not sure. So just trying to get a sense of is there a certain debt number we ship to 40 before you start thinking of dividend?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#41

So honestly, I think the first step is to have from a GAL perspective, the requisite free cash coming from at least 3 streams of business. One is Hyderabad, which is already giving dividends. Two is robust growth of our non-aero business, which is already happening, and you can see it. And the third is also dividends to start flowing from Delhi Airport. And we expect dividends to start coming from Delhi Airport in next 2 years as Delhi Airport's own stand-alone balance sheet becomes positive. It's already started to generate free cash. And hence, in 2 years' time, it should be ready to start giving dividends to Gal it's 74% shareholder. So that is the plan right now. Covenants are not there. The covenants are basically our own. Our own covenants are that we need to keep our net debt-to-EBITDA at a reasonable level. We are very comfortable for a growth company like ours, which is very capital intensive in nature to have a net debt-to-EBITDA multiple of about 4% to 4.5%. And we will achieve that much ahead of the time period when dividends are expected to be declared. That's how we are moving forward.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#42

Understood. Just see clarifications from back in the. When GAL is increasing the debt numbers, see, I can see a stand-alone level now making the PAT, that is positive even if I don't assume dividends, which is commendable in is. But still, GAL is borrowing more and more. So is this -- where is this money kind of going in right now?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#43

There is no borrowing -- where is the boring more and more Well, which year are you looking?

Aditya Mongia analyst
#44

So Galsandone has added INR 300 crores, right, to net debt Q-on-Q. And that's where the question is happening.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#45

We have not added any debt what number are you looking at it?

Unknown Executive executive
#46

Comment basically because we are reporting the net debt, there is a reduction of cash and hence, you are looking at the net debt number slightly moving up is the reduction of debt. The cash, which was available in our books as of year-end.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#47

As the question is where is the cash going? Is it going into your upcoming airports or is there another 100.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#48

One, there are no upcoming airports...

Unknown Executive executive
#49

No, the cash has come down because we've made it 2 investments. One is that since Nagpur Airport has been taken over as per the concession agreement, you had to make a minimum investment of INR 168 crores. That investment has been done. And the second 1 is we have also made investment in the GCL GM cargo logistics company, about INR 100 crores. So these all the investments have been made out of the cash available, but debt has not gone up.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#50

Understood. Sir, last and final question. On the non-aero has 2 parts, Goa has aero and non-aero, tax is a very different number this quarter. So if you can explain that. And secondly, we would have anticipated that the non-aftertax, start showing good growth trends, which are maybe not visible. So if you go to the last 2 quarters, I'll take your views on.

Unknown Executive executive
#51

Actually, another thing is in continuing the CAR, we have also made investment of INR 250 crore in cargo business as a deposit, we are going to time that also depleted our cash in GAL. So there are 3 investments we made. And coming to the Goa since we have withdrawn all the infinities given to the airlines, that is the reason why even the traffic has come down, the aero revenues have gone up. That is the reason. So I think Saurabh has already explained during his in opening remarks that we have withdrawn all the incidents, which we have given to the airlines, which was about almost INR 170 crores last year. And because of that, despite the fact traffic has come down, the revenues have gone up.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#52

Any comments on non-aero, Goa, how do this increment you since the numbers are still kind of flattish not improving?

Unknown Executive executive
#53

So non-aero, if you would have seen both SPP and IPP have gone up -- in fact, SPP has gone up by almost 24% pure-play non-ecommercial SPP. And this was primarily driven by the new liquor retail store, which got opened last year after June. But as we have been communicating consistently, we look at on a more sustained basis about 7% to 8% kind of SPP growth on a very sustained basis. And overall, nonaero income going up by about 14% to 15%, depending upon the traffic growth over 7% to 8%. That's the, I would say, a more long-term. Consistent number, I would say.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#54

Aditya, basically, the -- if you look at it, the revenues of non-aero have come down in the first quarter, mainly because the traffic has come down. The traffic in the 1.9 million to $1.2 million, it has come down. That impact is there on non-aero income, whereas Aero income has gone up because we have water on all the incentives. And as Rajesh said, that there is spend per passenger, income per passenger actually have gone up in case of Goa.

Operator operator
#55

We take the next question from the line of Anshu Dayani from Macquarie.

Anshu Dayani analyst
#56

Two questions on the platform efficiencies. So if you look at car parking, margins have been pretty volatile, it's small, I know, but I would want to understand better on that. And in terms of Delhi duty-free, we've seen the spend per passenger going up. So is there any mix change if you could help us with the current mix at the Delhi duty free and the area also the physical space at Delhi duty free. Also, will the space be expanded at Delhi duty-free? Or how do we look at the retail area and the dry duty free business.

Unknown Executive executive
#57

Sure. So in terms of daily duty free, currently, we are looking at expanding the space by another 400 to 500 square meter. That's on the arrival side. that should be available, I would say, by end of this calendar year. In terms of SPP growth in Delhi, which is about 7% to 8% -- and this is in line with what the target we have taken it for ourselves. So broadly, that's on Delhi. Hyderabad, although you have not asked about Hazmat, we have recently expanded our departure area from 400 to 1,300 square meter. The benefit of that we'll start seeing in the coming quarters. With the expanding area, we'll be able to broad base our offerings. So we should expect a better SPP growth in Hyderabad duty free. Coming back to your question on car park, I'm not too sure what is the reference point where you've seen the volatility. But the car park SPP as well as the tariffs, there has been some increase in tariff, which we do it once in 3 years kind of tariff increase. So that could have had some impact on the EBITDA margins, if that is what you are asking.

Anshu Dayani analyst
#58

So if I look at this quarter's margin, we have been at 24% versus the previous quarter at 30-ish percent and last year also running at 29%, 28% levels. That is where I was coming from.

Unknown Executive executive
#59

This is for daily...

Anshu Dayani analyst
#60

Yes. Yes, that right.

Unknown Executive executive
#61

Some penetration. No, I think some expenses would have come by this okay. on a more sustained basis, what we have seen last year on an annual basis, that is the kind of EBITDA margin.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#62

Just 1 second, Amit, why don't you. And also to note that whenever you look at car park, because as you -- car park has a sticky nature of expenses, there are a few expenses which are fixed in nature in terms of maintenance of that part -- so because of that, also margin can be restated marginally.

Anshu Dayani analyst
#63

Okay. Just 1 more question, and this is more broader. In terms of bidding that comes out so the government has outlet the NMP in which Amritsar and City such outlined. So would we be looking at bidding and what is our appetite to participate in our loss-making assets going forward?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#64

So we will surely look at bidding any new airports that come for privatization. And this we have been always alluding to over the last 3 to 4 years, whenever the government has made some voices on the privatization. But then again, if you look at our whole portfolio, these airports add less than 10% of the overall traffic, which is already there in our portfolio. So every year, we are growing actually faster than these airports and even if we were to win. So very early days in that. We would be definitely interested if the price is right. We will bid for the airports at a very rational price and not be in the mode of creating a portfolio, which is a loss-making portfolio going forward. So it will be a conservative, judicious bidding that we will undertake.

Operator operator
#65

We take the next question from the line of Rajesh Rawal from Elara Capital.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#66

So a couple of questions from my end. So on the STP increase part, what categories of product segment has the largest headroom to increase your SPP going ahead?

Unknown Executive executive
#67

SPP, when you really look at the major contributor to the airports duty-free being the top most then comes retail, then comes F&B, then you have the other categories. For us, I think the headroom is, I would say, it is equally between duty-free retail and F&B. And I say equally between these segments, retail win, we are looking at the premiumization of our own offerings. That is where it creates more headroom for us. Duty-free, we all know I understand that the kind of value it brings it to the overall SPP growth. So it's -- I would say it is equally between these 3 top categories while there are other small contributors also there.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#68

And next question would be like, if you mentioned like you'll be open to acquire more airports as an a. So what will the return threshold that would be considered as an appropriate and evaluating new effort concession like what is investing in existing assets and HSM fees.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#69

Well, adjacencies are, of course, a little higher return threshold because the nature of that business, we can target those higher returns. As far as airports are concerned, I think a number, which is northward of 16%, 17% is something that is acceptable and equity IRR. That is something which we target -- but again, there's no hard and fast food because there could be airports which offer much higher potential of growth. And in order to acquire such an asset into our portfolio, we may agree to a slightly higher price to pay in the initial years and then capture the growth over the next 60-odd years as and when those traffic starts to emerge. So there are airports which have an embedded opportunity and -- it is only now for us to see how our forecast is in our consultation with the airlines and also the economic footprint that airport serves. So that's the way we look at it.

Operator operator
#70

We take the next question from the line of Karthik Chellappa from Indus Capital.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#71

I just have 2 follow-ups. The first is on Delhi Airport. If I were to look at our non-aero revenue split, what exactly gets classified under others? Because that ratio is now 18%. And I'm noticing that say that has actually been somewhat inking. It used to be about 15%, 16% has now become 18%. So I'm just curious to see what all kinds of non-ad revenue gets classified there.

Unknown Executive executive
#72

Non-aero revenue consists...

Saurabh Chawla executive
#73

Within the category of others, which non-aero are slowing there. I think that is artics question. But basically, all the wraps all others. No, no, you are talking about the non-aero or income of others? You are talking about others. I'm talking about slide 38, now a revenue breakup, there is 1 category called others, which is now 18%, and that has actually leased up from 15%, 15% level in the last several quarters. So I'm just curious to understand what exactly goes under others.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#74

Just 1 second topic, just to start. I mean we can take it off-line also if it's okay, I have no sue. I was just curious to see whether you had a rating it. What is the. There are so many small, small items like flight catering car rentals and some other like a wrap of the bags.

Unknown Executive executive
#75

There are so many other small, small businesses will be there, which are all combined under others in case of the.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#76

So the increase in the ratio to 18% is pretty much like organic. It's just that they have been growing fast or a lower base. Is that how we should read it?

Unknown Executive executive
#77

No. Maybe some other additional, for example, some easement like cars, they are realized in the terminal. Suddenly, you may get in 1 quarter additional revenue and which is group under others. So which is not reasons, maybe some seasonal business must have got it, then it will be grouped under that.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#78

Okay. Excellent. And my last question, sir, is just on data point. If I were to look at your PTC revenue for both in and bad -- on a year-on-year basis, would we be able to share what is the percentage of passengers who generate duty free revenue for you?

Unknown Executive executive
#79

That's called penetration, we are talking about it.

Karthik Chellappa analyst
#80

Yes, exactly. On a year-on-year basis, I'm just curious to see how that has changed.

Unknown Executive executive
#81

So the penetration generally in duty free business, will be about 14% or so in Delhi. Hyderabad will be about 11% to 12% kind of -- that generally is the -- we have seen that trend in the last few years. And that's on the infrastructure. And the 14% will be what a year ago, first quarter 2026 is 14% would have been what percentage?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#82

Similar, it should be on the similar lines. Only thing is like Goa, if you see because of the stoppage of Get flight, it may have some impact in terms of penetration. But generally, this is a trend we have seen all across not much of variation between the quarters.

Operator operator
#83

We take the next question from the line of Prateek Kumar from Jefferies.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#84

I have like 2 follow-up questions. Firstly, sir, how do we see consolidated CapEx for FY '27 and '28. And could you provide breakup of key projects and the broad scope of land CapEx.

Unknown Executive executive
#85

In case of the there is no CapEx plan basically, we've got operational -- the estimated operational CapEx or maintenance CapEx, we call it, between the Delhi and Hyderabad, maybe around INR 1,500 crores to INR 1,600 crores for the full financial year. And we may also incur CapEx in Nagpur for the refurbishment, which could be in the range of INR 250 crores to INR 300 crores.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#86

So consol CapEx for FY '27 could be -- and including real estate CapEx, it could be like closer to INR 2,500 crores for FY '27?

Unknown Executive executive
#87

Yes, you can take.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#88

No, no, no. You see like Garceau said, the operational CapEx is about INR 1,500-odd crores another INR 250-odd crores is the CapEx for refurbishment at Nagpur. So it's about INR 1,800 crores, INR 1,900 crores. The real estate CapEx, the Building 5, which is currently under construction is actually getting completed within the current fiscal year. So maybe about crores or more, that may go -- sorry, INR 200 crores may go. So in total, about INR 2,000-odd crores is a number that you can assume for the full fiscal '27.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#89

Sure. And any update on RAB case, regulatory decision, timing or dates for the Delhi Airport?

Unknown Executive executive
#90

The hearings are happening now in the Supreme Court at the upper end, the hearings are happening. And then our turn will come. Most probably maybe should be settled in the next 3 to 6 months.

Prateek Kumar analyst
#91

Okay. And last question on new -- I mean, while FY '26 performance of the company was significantly boosted by significant scale-up in platform revenues, added by duty-free and cargo business integration. SP1 do we see like -- or what kind of new meaningful opportunities which may be added to a platform which can have like in the run rate of business growth continuing into next few years?

Saurabh Chawla executive
#92

So I can't really predict Prateek as to what happens from an inorganic perspective that gets added on. What will surely come is addition of Bhogapuram non-aero. There'll be a small addition that will come at Nagpur non-aero. These are, I would consider them as now organic in nature because they are part of our portfolio. But having said that, the business development teams are looking at many such opportunities in the region. And as I've already highlighted in the past, non-aero capital-light opportunities is a focus area for us, whether it is domestic or international, whether it is in Middle East or Southeast Asia. That is something that we are definitely interested. And -- but these are, again, very lumpy, success driven. So focus is there. On an organic basis, I think the business will grow at about 15% to 18% on a secular basis. That is something that we are -- we have already highlighted. You can assume 15% for sure. In good years, once the traffic starts to improve, 18% is also not very far away.

Operator operator
#93

We take the next question from the line of Aditya Mongia from Kotak Institutional Equities.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#94

A couple of more questions from my side. On real estate, whatever you are going to monetize in fiscal '28. Could you give us a sense of what will be the investment size that you have 1 from your side? And what would be the quantum that you can reap in fiscal '20 as against that.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#95

One second, I'll ask Aman to just respond to it. So this is a 1 million square feet of commercial office development, which is underway. Some of what is the capital cost of that and what is the opportunity 3 years or 2 years down the road on the monetization of it, what is the value. Just 1 second.

Aman Kapoor executive
#96

Yes. So the leasable area of the building is about 650,000 square feet. We expect to achieve average rental for this building upwards of INR 240. And accordingly, I think the value kind of derived from the current market caps are in the 7.5% to 8% range. I expect to get that value.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#97

And what will be the investment agent this quantum that we would be doing an income doing maybe early FY '20 when it is complete.

Unknown Executive executive
#98

Our construction budget construction, hard and soft cost budget is INR 450 crores. There are some additional manpower costs that are that maybe we'll take it up to about INR 500 crores.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#99

And just monetization, can we assume to happen in fiscal '28 or should we think of fiscal '29?

Unknown Executive executive
#100

Yes. I think this fiscal '28 is reasonable estimate.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#101

Okay. The second list of questions I had was more at a broad portfolio level. And thanks for sharing the non-herbal packs, but wanted to focus a little bit more on the passenger spending patterns. So could you give us a sense of, let's say, INR 3 crores of central that could have come for this quarter? How many transactions would have happened by those sectors. It just gives us a sense of penetration in a different manner. Okay. And Bancolombia, maybe on the user at Solan, some kinds of number of transactions against INR 3 crores essential have happened for the quarter? And what is the average spending that happens per transaction?

Unknown Executive executive
#102

So Aditya this penetration, it varies from category to category. As I just mentioned in 1 of the previous question, the penetration in case of, say, daily duty free is in the range of about 14%. Again -- when you go to F&B, if you talk about the broader spectrum of non-aero, when you go to F&B, it will have a different set of penetration. So it varies from category to category. If I can know your specific question what do you want to understand from that? I can answer it more specifically. So maybe we can do it offline along with Amit, if needed, if you have want to go slightly deeper into that.

Aditya Mongia analyst
#103

Give you a sense of what I'm asking and if it can come in the presentation, even that would be great from next time onwards. Just a sense of how many transactions are happening in the profession value for the quarter.

Unknown Executive executive
#104

It will be a mix of things I guess that SP98230956 Making of things in. Yes, sure. So, the way to look at this, we look at SPP for sales which take into consideration the 2 components. One is the average ticket value versus the amount you are spending and the penetration. So a combination of that gives you the SPP. So our focus generally is on -- the strategy to grow SPP could be based on improving penetration on increasing ATV. That depends on how you want to look at the whole thing. But our focus is to keep growing the FPP year-on-year and which I have been saying, say in the range of about 7% to 8% is our target.

Operator operator
#105

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions from the participants. I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Saurabh Chawla for his closing comments. Yes. Thank you.

Saurabh Chawla executive
#106

Thank you, everybody, for joining this call at an early hour today. We are happy to engage with you offline and the IR team awaits any of your specific questions that you may have. We'll be happy to answer. Thank you so much, and have a wonderful day. Thank you.

Operator operator
#107

Thank you, sir. On behalf of GMR Airports Limited, that concludes this conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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