Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Limited (500186) Earnings Call Transcript
November 21, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Limited Q2 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I now hand the conference over to Mr. Cyril Paul from Ernst & Young. Thank you, and over to you, Mr. Paul.
Thank you. Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Q2 earnings call of Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Limited. The company published its results on November 14 and has uploaded the investor presentation on the exchanges yesterday. I trust all of you have had the opportunity to review them. Before we start, a disclaimer. Some of the statements made in today's earnings call may be forward-looking in nature. Such forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ from those anticipated. Such statements are made on management's beliefs and assumptions made by information currently available to the management. Audiences are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements on making their investment decisions. On that note, let me introduce you to the management participating with us in today's conference call. We have with us Mr. R. Jeevanandam, Managing Director; Mr. Senthilnathan, CFO; and Ms. Josephin Daisy, Company Secretary. Without further ado, I'd like to hand over the call to Mr. Jeevanandam. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thanks, Cyril. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Quarter 2 Financial Year '26 Earnings Call. From our team, I have Senthilnathan, our CFO; and Daisy, our Company Secretary, joining me on this call. We regret for the delay in scheduling this earnings call as the notice was not given to the exchange in time. I'll start with the operational updates regarding our various blocks, starting with the Northeastern region. Let me begin with an update on the Kharsang block. You would recollect that we had secured environmental clearance for drilling 40 development wells and 3 exploration wells in this block in February 2025. The drilling will be executed in a phased manner with the initial phase comprising nine development wells. As of today, the drilling of the seventh well is in progress, and five wells have been put into production. While perforating the gas zone of the sixth well, we encountered well control issues, which we expect to be resolved within a few days. After this, the sixth well will also be perforated in its oil zone and will be put into production. The results from the sixth well authenticates the substantial volume of gas, which can be commercialized once the Northeast gas grid is fully operational by later this year. We will continue to drilling to reach the full potential of the block. We have already released six more locations for further drilling. And after completion of the initial phase of drilling of these nine wells, we will proceed with the next phase of drilling an additional nine wells and one deep well. We have reached a production level of about 900 barrels per day from this block, up from 350 barrels of initial production. We honestly hope that with the support of Oil India Limited, we can unlock substantial value for all stakeholders in the block. A review of the data from the drilled well authenticates the substantial potential of the block stated in the GCA report. Moving on to the Dirok field. The revised development plan for the Dirok block has been approved, enabling us to secure an extension of the block. As you would recollect, we plan to drill a well in North Dirok after the Barail formation. We will evaluate responses to the expression of interest for a 2,000 horsepower rig and finalize the contract. Dirok gas sales for the current quarter is 14 million standard cubic feet per day, while the offtake in the previous quarter was 20 million standard cubic per day. Accordingly, the sales volume of the current quarter is 0.34 Bcf compared to 0.49 Bcf in the previous quarter for our share. Condensate production is 5,858 barrels compared to 8,893 barrels in the previous quarter. Price realized in the current quarter is USD 7.8 per MMBtu compared to 7.56 in the previous quarter. The field has the capacity to produce up to 50 million standard cubic feet per day with the existing facilities, though the production has historically has been constrained by limited demand. Demand is expected to rise significantly once the Northeast gas grid is fully integrated with the national gas grid. The progress made on this front that IGGL has successfully commissioned the connection from Guwahati to Numaligarh, the next milestone is the completion of the DNPL-IGGL linkage, which is actively underway. We are closely monitoring the development and preparing to scale up our capacity to meet the anticipated increase in demand. We expect the grid to be operational within financial year '26 and hope that the increase in uptake will occur before quarter 4. We will augment our capacity by drilling three more development wells in Dirok and further drilling in North Dirok. This will enable us to increase the sales volume and meet the rising demand once the connectivity improves. Block AA-ONHP-2017/19, which we refer to as a Block 19 is an area adjacent to Dirok, known as the Greater Dirok and is analogous to the Dirok structure. We have received the environmental clearance and we apply for a 2-year period extension as per the recent notification to complete the committed work program of drilling two exploration wells. We have stated the extension of the -- we have submitted the extension of the bank guarantee to the Government of India to secure the extension. Regarding Umatara block, we have 10% participating interest in this block, where IOCL is the operator holding 90% participating interest. IOCL has started drilling the first development well and has drilled up to 3,900 meters, which will be completed within a month. Our expected capital outlay for the Northeast region for the next 2 financial year is INR 250 crores and more, and we are endeavored to complete our drilling in the Northeast within 2 years to commercialize the discovered resources. Turning to our Cambay blocks. We have successfully drilled two wells in North Balol. One well has flowed the oil in Balol Pay and further testing is underway, while the second well did not meet the expectations, and we may be sidetracked to target another structure, which is under southern structure. With these developments, we will have four producing wells in North Balol. Looking ahead, we plan to drill two additional wells in Asjol. We are also awaiting final clearance of the ring-fenced PSC along with the extension of the Palej block. Once the extension is granted, we will install the SRP in existing wells and drill additional wells in Palej. These initiatives are expected to add reasonable value to the Cambay assets. Current production from Cambay remains the same at 0.33 mmscfd of gas in quarter 2 financial year '26. I will now provide an update on our offshore blocks in Mumbai High and Cauvery basins. In Block B-80, where we hold 100% participating interest, production for the current quarter stands 31,468 barrels of oil and 0.23 Bcf of gas compared to 48,406 barrels of oil and 0.37 Bcf of gas in the previous quarter. Production was temporarily impacted by monsoon-related disruptions from mid-June to 1st week of August 2025, affecting the revenue for the quarter. We are making every effort to avoid disruptions and remain committed to improve and minimize the shutdown as much as possible. The average gas price realized during this quarter is INR 10.62 per MMBtu versus INR 11.4 in the previous quarter. We have sold about 4,700 -- 470,000 barrels of oil to HPCL. In terms of the crude offtake sales agreement called COSA, the title and risk of the crude oil, along with the insurable interest transferred to the buyer at offshore at the outside flange of the FSO on 25th September 2025. Three weeks following the appropriation of the crude by HPCL, we received a letter from them regarding the contamination issue. This issue has nothing to do with the quality of B-80 crude, which is sweet and light. As per COSA, no warranty or representation regarding the quality of the crude is provided, thus negating any basis for claims or cost or consequential damages, if any, against us. We are currently engaged in discussion with HPCL to resolve the matter amicably and realize the sales revenue. For the Mumbai offshore B-15 block, the GNC review and development plan are progressing well. This discovered field spans 332 square kilometers and is supported by extensive 3D and 2D seismic data. Once the development plan is finalized, we will commence development activities. With a water depth of approximately 40 meters, we are confident of bringing the field into production within 2 years. Regarding Cauvery offshore block PY-1, based on the study by Petro Vietnam, we will initiate our drilling program. We are in discussion with the various contractors and suppliers to commence the first well in financial year 2027. We proposed to drilling two infill wells, one appraisal well to the existing platform and one exploration well outside the platform. We have received the expression of interest from various drilling contractors and will finalize the drilling rig and source the long lead items to commence the drilling at the earliest. This program is expected to unlock significant potential and on successful drilling and completion of the wells that can be connected to production immediately given that the processing and the transportation infrastructure already in place. Even at the PPAC price, this project is economically viable since the capital infusion is marginal with a substantial unrecovered cost. Moving to the quarterly results. Our EBITDA for the current quarter is INR 25 crores in the consolidated accounts compared to INR 35 crores in the previous quarter, mainly due to the low offtake in Dirok and monsoon fury in B-80. We remain committed to drilling a total of 18 shallow wells and 3 deep wells in Kharsang, 4 wells in Dirok, 2 wells in Greater Dirok, and 2 wells in East Asjol and Palej in our onshore assets. To unlock the potential of our offshore fields, we plan to drill 10 offshore wells, 3 wells in PY-1, 3 wells in B-80 and 4 wells in B-15. With internal accruals, we secured a debt capital of INR 250 crores to meet the above capital expenditure. This term loan will be used exclusively for our capital expenditure. We have substantial value below the ground, and we believe we bring this value to the surface and thereby unlocking value to all stakeholders. We will overcome all the temporary setbacks, and we will continue to drill and monetize the discovered reserves and resources. I will now hand over to Senthil, our CFO, to take you through the financial results in detail. Senthil, please.
Good morning all. Stand-alone revenue for this quarter is INR 321.51 crores compared to INR 83.48 crores in the previous quarter. The increase is mainly on account of crude oil sales from B-80 field. B-80 revenue for the current quarter is INR 281.72 crores, which includes revenue from crude oil sale of INR 258.78 crores. Revenue from gas sales from B-80 for the current quarter is INR 22.94 crores compared to INR 38.58 crores in the previous quarter. Current quarter revenue decrease in B-80 is mainly due to lower production of gas, which is 229 mmscf in this quarter compared to 370 mmscf in the previous quarter. The decrease in production is mainly due to monsoon. In case of Dirok, revenue for the current quarter is INR 26.57 crores compared to INR 36.98 crores in the previous quarter. During this quarter, 339 mmscf of gas was sold compared to 490 mmscf of gas sold in the previous quarter. Similarly, 5,858 barrels of oil was sold in this quarter compared to 8,893 barrel of oil sold in the previous quarter. The decrease in revenue is mainly due to less offtake from customers. In stand-alone accounts, the field operating expenses for this quarter is INR 46.51 crores compared to INR 55.8 crores. Statutory levies are INR 10.6 crores for the current quarter compared to INR 12.13 crores in the previous quarter. Similarly, total cost without stock adjustment in the current quarter is INR 71.5 crores compared to INR 81.51 crores in the previous quarter. Stand-alone EBITDA for the current quarter is INR 28.81 crores compared to INR 27.24 crores in the previous quarter. Profit after tax for the current quarter is INR 19.04 crores compared to INR 15.69 crores in the previous quarter without considering the exceptional item of INR 32.52 crores in the previous quarter. In consolidated accounts, the revenue from operations for this quarter is INR 325.31 crores compared to INR 85.5 crores in the previous quarter. Main reason for increase in revenue during the quarter is crude oil sale in B-80 field. Total expenses without stock adjustment in the consolidated accounts for the current quarter is INR 85.95 crores compared to INR 84.79 crores in the previous quarter. In consol accounts, EBITDA for this quarter is INR 25.15 crores compared to INR 35.02 crores in the previous quarter. Consolidated profit after tax for the current quarter is INR 2.83 crores against INR 11.35 crores in the previous quarter without considering an exceptional item of INR 32.52 crores in the previous quarter. India Ratings has reaffirmed the rating IND A for INR 500 crores bank loan. With the current cash position and continued production and with the borrowings for capital expenditure as required, we will meet all our obligations. Thank you, and back to Mr. Jeeva.
Okay. Thanks, Senthil. We can now open the forum for questions.
[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Sucrit D. Patil from Eyesight Fintrade Pvt Ltd.
I have two forward-looking questions. First is looking beyond this quarter's numbers, I want to understand what the bigger picture for Hindustan Oil is, especially as the company operates in an energy transition and exponentially risk profile. As global demand also keep on shifting and affecting the overall business model, over the next 1 to 2 years, what is the one big change that you are driving that, that will make Hindustan Oil stronger and more trusted in the upstream oil and gas space? Is there -- will it be about expanding the reserves or building deeper partnerships or any JV? Yes. Can you please shed some light on that? And I'll ask the second question after this.
Okay. See, the underlying reserves and resources of the company in our estimates, which is in the order of about 100 million barrels of oil equivalent. So for this, we continuously -- as you are talking about transition, majority of our resources, at least more than 50% are in gas-based. So that is the energy transition mode for a clean fuel as such. So that's why we are concentrating more on drilling mode now. So as we speak, we have completed six wells in the current year, seventh well is in progress. We continue to drill the wells in the Northeastern region. And once the gas grid connectivity comes in, that will unlock substantial value. And whatever our resource potential can be get monetized. And similarly, in offshore, we have got three blocks, which is directly under our control. And out of all the three blocks are 100% owned, we are planning to drill additional 10 wells that will unlock the value of the discovered reserves and resources, right? In addition, we will be embarking on one exploration project in Northeast that is the Greater Dirok. That will also -- we believe with the chances of success, if everything goes in line, we will be add additional reserves on it. In a manner, we will be a meaningful player in India for any upstream activities in the coming years. And no company can do success on oil and gas unless continued drilling activities. So as we speak, we are in the drilling mode, and we'll continue to drill and unlock the value. And as a partnership concern, we are in partnership with ONGC in Cambay and with Oil India and then IOC. They are our trusted partners and valuable partners. We'll continue to engage with them. And as well as any new partner comes with -- either with the knowledge base or with the monetary support, then we will engage with them. That is what I can say at the moment.
That's a good guidance. My second question, again, forward-looking one on margins and cost planning. Mostly margins in oil and gas are always or mostly under pressure when cost rises, whether it is through drilling, compliance or exploration. Just want to understand how you think about protecting the profits without slowing down growth. Is there any smart sourcing or pricing discipline or any other operational efficiencies that you will be putting into place? And how do you balance these in practice, so that Hindustan Oil can remain strong even when certain things get very unpredictable or maybe due to some global concerns in the next few quarters?
Okay. See that, as you rightly observed, there is a volatility in the prices, which is not in our control. What is in our control is two important factors: doing a job properly and then reducing the cost. Since we are on the job, we are basically a marginal operators and in a manner that cost becomes priority to us and structuring the contracts. And both we are working in a mode that we will not allow the cost escalation, which will kill us. That is on the one side. Second thing, some hedging, natural hedging allowed us. For example, in offshore, we can store substantial volume of crude oil that we can adjust the price fluctuations to our advantage. And gas as such per se, no one can store it, and we have to sell that is depending on the price per se. Now with all the incentives and the market is getting developed in the Northeast, we will be in a strong balance sheet by '26, '27, and that will support all our capital program. And 2 years down the line, we will be on a mode of realizing the -- monetizing the existing reserves and enhancing the next level of growth. That is what we believe.
That's a wonderful guidance from your part, and I wish the entire team best of luck for Q3.
The next question is from the line of Nigel Mascarenhas from EverFlow Partners.
A couple of questions from my end. Firstly, what is the status of the Northeast pipeline, which connects the region to the National Gas Grid. By when is that expected?
As we speak, there is a line Guwahati to Numaligarh from IGGL line has already been connected, commissioned. That is the one end that has already been completed. The other end from Duliajan to Numaligarh, that is a DNPL line, which is to be connected. We are expecting shortly on that. Once that is completed, then the gas offtake immediately can increase at least by about 1 million cubic meters per day. Then it can further augment by another 1 million cubic meters that can take care of our supply therein in a manner that there would not be any demand constraint for our existing six-well program. But by the time we complete other four wells in the block, and the possibility of producing from Kharsang, that time the full-fledged the national grid would be operational, that will be connected to the Northeast gas grid. There should not be any demand constraint, and we will be able to monetize comfortably.
Got it. And by when is it expected to be completed?
I see, I am not privy to that exact details actually, but we hope that should get over by end of this quarter, and some offtake improvement should take from fourth quarter. And by all probabilities to the best of having spent about more than INR 10,000 crores by the Government of India, in all earnest, they wanted to put the grid into operational. By first quarter, by all means it should be through in the next financial year.
Got it. And my second question is on B-80. So for B-80, what are the interventions planned to stabilize and scale up production? How much will they cost and by when will they be done?
See, actually, we wanted to start the workover now, but that is getting delayed by 1, 1.5 months. So first our -- initially, our program is to one workover. And after this, then -- after the next monsoon, we will start drilling three development wells. That is by not through a subsea well that we are putting a platform therein. After that, we drilled the three wells. So once the three-well drilling gets completed, this block will have a stable production. So till the time, it is dwindling around by 600, 700 barrels and about 5 million cubic feet of gas.
The next question is from the line of Harshit Khadka from RoboCapital.
Hello. Am I audible?
Yes.
My first question is regarding debt. So what is your outlook on debt? Like how do we see debt going forward in FY '27?
See FY '27, we will be able to flow through on the Dirok and the Kharsang, and the 2 things will come and our exploration success will add the reserves therein. And B-80 would be in operational. B-80 at least fourth quarter, we'll be able to increase the volume thereon. And by the time our PY-1 will come. And we will be in a full -- we will be starting the monetizing mode from Northeast to the offshore blocks.
Sir, do we have any expected debt level as such?
No, we don't want to borrow more than this INR 250 crores, which we already secured it.
All right. And my next question is regarding production level.
Sorry to interrupt, Harshit. Please rejoin the queue for more questions. The next question is from the line of Dhruv Rawani from Shreeji Finserv LLP .
So on that workover of D1 well, when do you plan to actually do it?
See now we are talking to some of the companies. And by first -- last quarter of this year, we will be able to complete that. That is only about 30 days job. But some of the companies who have already installed the three and other things, they were in the mergers. So we are talking to the companies who are taking over from them because you need the [indiscernible] and other things and the tools actually to pull out the three. Three running tools are required. So we have been in discussion with them. Once that is through, then we will be finalizing the drilling rig and go ahead with it.
Okay. So we will expect the workover rig to happen only in Q4? Yes, not on Q3?
Yes.
Okay. And in B-15, there is a B-15 well, which is already drilled. So would that be put on production anytime soon?
Not soon, within 2 years. So we have to do a development plan. That's about -- we have got 350 square kilometer 2D, 3D data. They are working on it. The data volume is substantial. The people are working on it. And we will submit a development plan to the Government of India. The water industry is only 40 meters. So we will be able to embark on installing some minimum facility platform and start drilling there. So we expect the duration of -- from the start date to end date should be about 2 years.
The next question is from the line of Riddhesh Gandhi from Discovery Capital.
If you could just highlight a little bit on this HPCL issue, what exactly happened, how they are claiming this. Because we read your presentation, it appears to be that we don't have much liability. Just if you could just highlight what exactly is happening with the HPCL issue?
So as you are aware, we have submitted -- sorry, not aware, I'll tell you now that COSA called crude offtake sales agreement. This agreement is signed on 3rd September 2025. In the -- normally in the COSA agreement, no one -- we don't guarantee any quality of the crude oil or the product liability thereon. In the COSA agreement also provides there is no consequential damages there. The title of the crude transfers at the outside plant at our FSO in Mumbai offshore. Then it gets into the tanker from that moment, the title risk and all insurable interest risk with HPCL. After 3 weeks, they come back and saying that the crude is having some chloride content, and we wanted to amicably settle all the issue with all our customers. So we found out then they are saying actually, there is some chloride content is more, then we have been in discussion with them. And from their side, they have to use the crude. And from our side, we have to realize some money. That is the position at the moment. We are in constant and continuous touch with them. And we are not liable for any cost claim under the COSA executed with HPCL.
No. So look, I understand that as per what you're saying is we don't have a legal -- a liability and that we have a strong case to claim the entire amount. But is there a potential, I mean, broader issue with regards to the quality of the oil, which might for future transactions, it impact us?
Absolutely no, Riddhesh. Absolutely no. The crude is a sweet crude, and this is a light crude. There is no issue on the quality of the crude from the reservoir. But I can share with 100% confidence on it.
So then some amount of the contamination would have happened along the way or there's some other issue because I mean, obviously, it's a pretty large claim which HPCL is making. So what would give us confidence that there is no issue with the crude?
There is no consequential claim for anything under the COSA. And second thing, we have sent another parcel to IOCL in the previous occasion. There is no issue thereon. So if any contamination occurred and the issue thereon is now being handled. Any contamination is also -- it is also an insurable interest. And accordingly, it is now being built. And we will let you know once we made any progress with them. Whatever the progress we made with HPCL, we'll keep you informed.
Okay. Sir, and last question is with regards...
Sorry to interrupt, Riddhesh. Please rejoin the queue for follow-up questions. The next question is from the line of Moksh Ranka from Aurum Capital.
So we have guided -- like we are expecting the Northeast grid to be fully operational this year. So how confident are we considering this has been delayed multiple times? Although I know it's not in our control, but just could you highlight how confident are we this time?
If too confidence level comes, there is already an investment of more than INR 10,000 crores. And already the Numaligarh to Guwahati connection is completed and commissioned. That is connected to the national grid at the moment. So now what is to be connected is from Duliajan to Numaligarh, okay? Duliajan to Numaligarh connection gets that one leg of the -- the first leg of the grid connectivity to the -- Eastern grid connectivity to the national grid established. And IGGL also planning another separate line. So that will take a couple of years. That means that the entire Northeast gas grid would be fully operational and linked to the national grid. So the time line, as we discussed and whatever the knowledges we gathered by talking to the people, it should be end of this quarter and some offtake improvement will take from the fourth quarter by all probabilities by considering the delays in the past and other things. It should be fully operational from the first quarter of '26, '27.
And we are doing -- we are taking a term loan essentially for CapEx for drilling new wells. So are we relooking at the CapEx considering there is a commodity price fall? And what returns are we expecting from this CapEx? And like how -- considering this is going to increase the risk in our balance sheet and yes, so just that.
See, there is no balance sheet risk there on. These prices are volatile. Now the transition fuel is the gas and the gas price, we are linking it to the oil price. Even at this price, our return should be more than 21% IRR, post tax, right? So we don't find substantial downside in this and nothing will happen to the company. These assets are -- so the transition unless the entire transition fuel taken place by some other renewable or other things, oil and gas industry will survive. As long oil and gas industry survives, this is reasonably a low price at the moment. So we should not find anything happened to the company or to the balance sheet and no impairment is expected.
The next question is from the line of Anubhav Goel from Cosma Ventures.
Sir, have we received the payment from HPCL? And I didn't understand to realize the sales revenue. I mean we have already booked it, right?
Yes, we have booked, we are yet to receive the payment.
Sir, we are yet to receive the payment from HPCL?
Yes. We have been in rotation with them. We will let you know actually once we received. We'll keep this as an information.
Okay, sir. And sir, this quarter run rate, can you share for Dirok as well as the five operational wells at Kharsang?
See, the run rate remains the same. Unless the grid connectivity on Duliajan to Numaligarh is there, we cannot expect greater improvement. So we are expecting that once the connectivity improves and the NRL offtake also increases, then there would be a sustained production without any disruptions. That's what I can say. Giving any guidance is -- it may not be appropriate at this stage.
And sir, the five wells at Kharsang?
See, that's producing about 900 barrels. All wells put together, the Kharsang production is about 900 barrels. But each well is contributing about 100, 150 barrels, 125 to 150 barrels on an average. So we continue to drill, we increase our production as such. So once the drilling is completed, then the wells are get completed, we'll hook up for production immediately.
But for gas, that will take some time.
And sir, the fixed well gas...
Sorry to interrupt Anubhav. Please rejoin the queue for further questions.
Just last question, if I may. So the gas flow out issue at the sixth well, the leakage of gas, so do you feel it will be resolved in the next few days or this can call for liabilities to us?
No, no, no. No liabilities there. We fully insured, we covered and except the deductions of INR 2 crores, and it will get resolved quickly.
The next question is from the line of Kunal Tokas, an individual investor.
Sir, am I audible?
Yes, please.
I have -- my question is asset specific about Dirok, B-80 and Kharsang. If you can give the daily average total cost of production and the 1P reserves of each of these assets?
The 1P reserves of B-80, right?
B-80, Dirok and Kharsang. These are the important assets for you, right? So the cost of production and the reserves, please.
See B-80, our cost of production is about $30 per barrel on an average.
That is including -- not including the FSO and the MOPU costs, right?
Including FSO and MOPU charges together.
Okay. I mean if you did not own them, even then you would be producing at $30? Or are you including the benefit of owning those?
We included the benefit of owning it because we are taking only the operating cost of this because the volume of production is too less. So it is mostly cost mitigation to the facilities owned by us. So in a manner that we take only the variable cost there and do it. And that is the way it is around $30. The 1P reserves, we already declared, it is about 15 million barrels of oil and about 40, 45 Bcf of gas actually.
Okay. And for Dirok and Kharsang as well, sir, please?
Dirok, we are expecting substantial volume could be added. And we are expecting the total still production -- it would be at least around 200 Bcf of gas. And the resources are substantial. So we will be unlocking substantial value from those block Dirok, at least it's reached to our rough estimate at least for 400 Bcf of gas, and a good volume of -- yes, that's our estimation. But by drilling additional three developments, we will get authenticated by a third party.
So these assets have a long -- very long plateau life, even at 50 or 70 mmscfd?
Absolutely, it is having a long plateau of -- we are expecting the life of the field will go for 20 years.
And your costs at Dirok would go down to 0.6, 0.7?
The cost of production is very low. It's about less than 0.75 per MMBtu.
The next question is from the line of Nishant from The Fellow Investor.
Am I audible?
Yes, Nishant.
Sir, my question is related with B-80, a hypothetical question. I know it is not true. If something gets contaminated from the part of crude and in case of emergency, then are we in a condition to drill the next block within a 1 year? And will it impact the gas production in case of B-80?
So see, this is -- the crude issue contamination has nothing to do with the development of the field or the block. It is no relation whatsoever, okay? We are embarking on our continuous production and continuous drilling. There is no issue thereon.
Okay. And what is the cost of production of crude and natural gas in B-80.
On an average, it is $30 per barrel of oil equivalent.
30 barrel per dollar -- I mean $30 per barrel.
$30 per barrel of oil, yes.
For gas also?
I mean it is a barrel of oil equivalent. Now gas is no longer a byproduct, it is a joint product. So considering the gas price therein, it is $30 per barrel of oil equivalent. For gas, it cannot be calculated separately. We don't calculate gas separately. It is an associated gas, it comes along with the oil.
[Operator Instructions] the next question is from the line of Sushil Lahoti, an individual investor.
Am I audible sir?
Yes, please.
Yes. As you said, this pipeline is connected from Guwahati to Numaligarh. My first question is how it is going to benefit HOEC? And secondly, what is the status of this DNPL line to be a common carrier? If it happens, how much it is going to benefit HOEC in terms of top line and bottom line?
See it will be increasing our volumes from, say, today around 15 million cubic feet of gas, it will go to, say, 45 million. So it will increase the volume by 3x more with the existing wells drill itself. And there would not be any demand constraint. It will go from offtake and go up to -- the DNPL line it comes by, say, end of December. And even if the worst come, it comes in the fourth quarter, then this would be our position. We will be able to make a threefold increase in our revenue on Dirok immediately.
Okay. Regarding my first question, sir, this pipeline connected from Guwahati to Numaligarh, are we going to get any benefit?
No, it is already a connected line. Now what is happening is they have to connect it with the IGGL line and some compressor station and other things are to be put in, which they are working on it at the moment. And once it connected IGGL line, it can go from -- it can take additional 1 million cubic meters of gas. So out of that, even a portion of the Oil India Gas goes into it and our gas also will -- our joint venture gas also get into it. And we will be able to reach at least 1 million cubic meter of gas comfortably, and we are targeting to go up to 45 million cubic feet per day.
The next question is from the line of Manan Patel, an individual investor.
Sir, first question is on the DNPL. So we had a challenge of it not being accepted as common carrier. So has that problem been resolved and just the physical work is remaining, if you could throw some light on that?
I think they are looking for -- see, what I understand because Manan, it's not -- I'm not privy to exactly what's happening there on to it. But they have completed the mechanical work on some strengthening the line and some changing a portion of the line, but mechanical work stand completed. Now what do they do is the next is they will connecting with the IGGL line. Once the IGGL line gets connected, then they will be applying a called PESO license or something. Once that is done, then the next issue is they will come to PNGRB for declaring it as a common carrier that is still pending with PNGRB. Once these two things get completed, PNGRB will test it. After that, they will give -- they will declare this a common carrier. Then they will be looking at the rate to be fixed and other things will take place.
But AGCL is on board for that, right?
Yes. AGCL is on board.
Okay. And sir, second question is, so I heard somewhere that there is a shortage of drilling rigs. So are you facing the same? And if yes, how does it affect our drilling plan?
Actually, what happened, we are saturating one of the rig for us. So we need about 2,000 hours per rig and 1,000 hours per rig, which we have got some good responses, and we will be able to get some rigs. And the worst come, we can fall back to our big brother, Oil India to help us with one rig for us.
The next question is from the line of Mehul Panjwani from 40Cents.
Sir, can you just tell me what is this COSA agreement? Because for us who are layman people, we are not aware of what is this agreement. Is it like an oil and gas standard agreement or what is it?
It is actually a standard agreement followed by all, and we take the model from ONGC agreements. And these agreements have been given in advance along with the injunction. Based on the agreement, the buyer's liability and sellers' liability is categorically stated therein. And if you look at as such agreement that the title, risk and the insurable interest stand transferred at the offshore. That's what the normal terms of the COSA. After that, it is the product belongs to the buyer and the seller responsibility gets over there. And the quality is normally stated as a typical quality -- typical indicative quality because we don't know much about the refining side and what is the cut will come, which product they will take and other things. There is no product warranty therein. There is no quality warranty therein.
Sir, how do you spell COSA actually? What is the spelling of COSA, K-O-S-A?
No, no. COSA means I'll tell you, crude offtake sales agreement.
Right, sir. And sir, last question is, sir, but if we are -- what I'm trying to understand is very layman question that if a company is selling crude oil to another company, then there has to be some kind of a quality check by the buyer. So is it that the buyer check the quality before the oil is sent to the buyer? Or how is it, I mean?
I don't want -- see, it's not -- we don't want to transfers into their territory because we have sold with the report, and they have taken it to their samples, and they will be using the crude what they deem fit. We are in discussion with them. And at this moment, let us not get into too many details what they have done and how they will do it and other things, okay?
The next question is from the line of Sanjana from Shyam Advisors Limited.
Am I audible?
Yes, absolutely.
Sir, I just had an accounting question, especially for B-80. The crude that we extract on a regular basis and then we store it in one of our tankers, how do we account for it in our inventory? And what adjustment happens when we sell it?
See, the inventory is this -- all production, whatever the volume which has not been sold, it has been accounted in the concept of mark-to-market, okay? So the day -- mark-to-market means, if I have a storage on oil on 31st March, the price on 31st March will determine the value for it. So when I said that -- then that will be a part of crude inventory. There is increase or decrease in stock that would get reflected on a continuous basis. And the corresponding amount of crude in stock would get reflected into the balance sheet. Once the oil gets sold, then that year -- that month or that quarter or something, that will be get adjusted into the -- sorry, increase or decrease in stock, but that will go into the revenue on the other side and the inventory stand reduced.
Okay. So when we sell it, do we again have to make any adjustments for M2M?
Obviously, no. Whatever the price difference is, again get adjusted into the increase or decrease.
The next question is from the line of Manpreet Aurora from Aurora Wealth Advisors.
Am I audible?
Yes, very much.
So sir, any update on the PY-3 tribunal? And in layman's terms, if you can explain to us what is our case there and what is our stand there?
See, actually, what has happened was there is a dispute on the exclusive operation. We are still holding 21% interest in the block PY-3. When they were trying to do some redevelopment, they were telling they will be able to do it within a period of 9 months. And we challenged you can't do it within 9 months. And then they said they wanted to take an exclusive operation. They took it, and they have not even completed the major work program. They've completed only a portion of it. And now they went to the court and make a declaratory relief seeking that their exclusive operation is valid. We are challenging the exclusive operation is null and void, and we are entitled to get back into the block and which is a part of our initial understanding also. That matter is now being referred to International Court of Justice. So they have appointed the arbitrator. The schedule has been framed and that is what the status at the moment. It is subjudice if I say anything beyond this.
Okay. And sir, another question is on the hedging policy. Sir, want to understand the management thought process on hedging, because you -- I think [Technical Difficulty].
Sorry to interrupt, Manpreet. Your voice is muffled.
Yes. Is it better now?
Yes, it's absolutely. Now it's better. Tell me.
Sir, I was asking about how the management thinks about hedging. You had mentioned that we have storage and if the oil prices are not in favor, we store the oil till we reach a favorable price. But also in the past, we had oil storage when oil was at $80, but then we had to sell it when it came down to $60. So have we went back to the Board and thought about how we want to hedge maybe when the price is favorable, at least hedge up to the storage that we have at that point of time or something like that?
Yes, I think predicting the oil price is -- it's very difficult. And in either way, you will be wrong. So we are looking at it as a natural hedge. That's what we believe in it. And you can fiddle it around this way, that way about 1 or 2 months and not beyond that. So either way, you would be a loser because better to go for a natural hedge. We firmly believe in that. So the product -- any product we don't hedge it, we allow to a natural hedge.
So sir, is that a standard practice across oil and gas companies?
Sorry to interrupt, Manpreet. Please rejoin the queue for follow-up question.
Ma'am, that was just a follow-up.
Okay. One thing I just wanted to tell you one more thing. See, we follow the -- base is we don't depend on our borrowings are not linked. So our borrowings are very limited. So that is the reason we are comfortable on the natural hedge. If we are a company is highly levered or heavily borrowed, then they have to get -- there is an insistence from the bankers to have a hedge on the price. But in our case, it is not the case.
The next question is from the line of Harshil Solanki from Equitree Capital.
I had two questions. First is the consolidated profit is INR 2.8 crores, whereas the standalone is INR 19 crores. So if you can help us bridge this difference, what is bringing the consol profit down?
See, the reason for that was two things. Actually, during this period, 46 days, about -- sorry, 37 or 38 days, we don't have any production from the B-80 field. So now B-80 will get into a mark actually in the sense when -- whatever during the oil processed -- produced and stored, that would be the basis for billing to them. So in accordance with that, so Hindage and Geopetrol, both of them, one is owning the MOPU, one is on this thing. Their operating cost is higher. Under the financial -- and which is including the depreciation about INR 4.31 crores and about Geopetrol INR 4.8 crores. That put together, there is about some INR 6 crores plus INR 11 crores, INR 12 crores differences comes out of that. So that is where there are some element of subsidiary company adjustments pull it down. But whatever it is stand-alone gains out of that. But at the same time, subsidiary companies, Hindage and Geopetrol is suffering losses on it. And second thing, some -- we have eliminated some intercompany. So whatever it is, whatever said and done, that stand-alone is INR 18 crores and subsidiary is INR 3 crores, INR 15 crores is on account of the loss towards the subsidiary industries.
Okay. And this is not linked to that 40% incremental interest we took over. This is not on account of that?
No, no, not on account of this. Because this is mainly due to the shutdown of the field actually for about 37 days.
Okay. Understood. And second question is, out of that INR 1,290-odd crores CapEx that you have planned, how many wells are done? And what is the likely impact once this is all done?
So I think we have done about 70 -- seven wells in Kharsang. So we have incurred about for our share around INR 32 crores. And so we still have the money in our bank, and we will be able to complete the rest of the work program in a continuous manner. There should not be any problem to it. And whatever the funding which we earmarked through the borrowed capital, we will use it only for the offshore operations, not for onshore.
The next question is from the line of Jaimil from NMR Capital.
I just had two questions. The first one being on the CapEx front, that INR 1,500 crores we had planned, that remains unchanged, right?
No change in that. Absolutely, there is no change. We will be embarking on a continuous drilling program. And I think every well which we drill will add value to it. And now on the Kharsang, we are still comfortable on it. Seventh well is on drilling, so which has unlocked substantial value to us. And we will be in this mode. For every opportunity, once the gas rid gets connected, then there is no stopping back until we drill the entire -- the number of wells planned is 40 plus 3, 43 wells or 45 wells, I think, 45 wells in Kharsang, that will continue for a longer period as such. One or two rigs will continuously embark thereon. And about four wells in Dirok will continue. And depending on the success of the Greater Dirok, we will also getting more rigs into the operations there. So there is no looking back into it. So we'll continue to drill.
All right, sir. And the second one was on Northeast grid only. So I mean Oil India expects the DNPL line to be up and running before April 2026. And they are expecting the expansion in terms of capacity in NRL in 2Q of FY '27. So do we still expect a ramp-up in 4Q in terms of offtake?
Yes, I think there should be some improvement in the offtake. Once the DNPL line gets connected, then there is -- see, when the gas getting in is now established from outside to Assam. Now if the gas moving up from Assam is established, then you are in the part of the national grid. It goes to Barauni. From Barauni, it comes up to Rewa. So then you are in the national grid. There should not be any demand constrained because the country is importing more than 1 TCF of gas through LNG.
All right. I just had -- we were expecting it in April '26. So in 4Q, we do still expect a ramp-up in offtake a bit?
Yes, we believe that fourth quarter should be giving a better offtake by all probabilities on the next financial year should be doing much better than what we are today.
[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Harshit Khadka from RoboCapital.
Sir, I wanted to ask what do we expect our production level to be in FY '27, like a net production level?
Yes. I think, see, if everything goes well, we are targeting about reaching our own production level of at least 6,000 barrels oil equivalent.
All right, sir. On a BOEPD basis?
Yes.
The next question is from the line of Anubhav Goel from Cosma Ventures.
Sir, just wanted to understand the delay for the workover for B-80 to 4Q because then the monsoon season will also start a few months after that. So are we on track for 4Q? Will there be no delay on this?
So we are making every possible effort with the guys because T-running tools and other things are to be mobilized. And we have a time till on April. This total duration does not exceed more than 30 days, but we are trying our best to get into in place.
Okay, sir. And sir, if we don't get the payment from HPCL, say, in next few months, which is a sizable figure. So by, say, Feb, March, so would we be then taking on more debt to finance the CapEx?
No, no. We will get the money actually because that's what we believe in, right?
Okay. And sir, just one broad question I have.
Sorry to interrupt, Anubhav. Please rejoin the queue for follow-up questions. The next question is from the line of Kunal Tokas, an individual investor.
Okay. Sir, first question is the Hindustan Oil Exploration's connectivity to Duliajan. Is the capacity enough to handle 50 mmscfd that you're targeting?
Yes. See, overall volume increase with the DNPL should be additional 1 million cubic meters of gas. And with the temperature, it should go about 2, 2.2 million cubic meters of gas and the local demand therein. So in a manner, then the grid connectivity established to the national, this additional 2 million cubic meters will easily absorb our Dirok production.
Okay, sir. And the second question is about the FSO and MOPU. I believe that they are very, very old machines. Is there a requirement to replace them? And at what level would they be profitable, production and oil price?
Now, MOPU and FSO are -- MOPU is recently renovated. It is having its own life of another 10, 12 years. And the FSO also actually has a tender. It will have a life of another 10, 15 years. There is no immediate replacement requirement.
Okay, sir, and profitability? At what product?
Actually, what we are -- so looking at, they are wholly-owned subsidiary companies. We are making them as such in a manner that it is down right to B-80, right? So once the B-80 improves, this also will improve.
The next question is from the line of Mehul Panjwani from 40Cents.
Sir, how much money are we supposed to receive from HPCL once the arbitration is complete?
There is -- I mean, my friend, there is no arbitration. So nothing, we are not arbitrating anything. They have got certain issues. We are discussing with them, and we raised an invoices, and we will be getting back the money. And at the end of the day, they are all our big brothers in public sectors. We are in discussion with them. We will be talking to them. And in the mutual interest, we will settle the issues. We are not endeavor to go for any litigation or anything on it.
Appreciate, sir. Sir, can you tell me the figure?
It's about INR 259 crores.
The next question is from the line of Anubhav Goel from Cosma Ventures.
Sir, a general question. In earlier years when crude was around $75, $80, so we have reported 30% PAT margins on a consol basis. So now assuming crude remains at $60, $65, where do we see our PAT margins in a few years once the ramp-up is done?
There's two way of looking at it actually. See, whether your contract is a production sharing contract or a revenue sharing contract. If it is a revenue sharing contract, your share to the revenue to the government gets reduced. Okay? That gives you a cushion to that. Then you are a tax-paying company, your tax gets reduced. So in net and net effect, that impact will be about whatever the price difference you're looking into it, only about 30% of that. Suppose there is a $10 price variation plus/minus comes, I'll have a 3% impact there. That's what the thumb rule according to me.
Okay, sir. Got it. And sir, can you just elaborate the Kharsang issue, the gas leak from the sixth well? Can it be something then there is pressure on us to halt future drilling?
It is a blessing in disguise. Now we proved there is a substantial volume of gas available in -- for monetization. So we encountered this problem of well control, which we are addressing with the help of Oil India is leading -- helping us, and the [ Kadwal ] is helping us. And we will be able to come out of this problem very shortly, and that will help us to look at a plan for monetizing the gas.
So sir, if it's possible, then you will have to work on setting up infra for offtake of the gas in the future?
Yes, that's right. We will -- once this is the -- actually, we will be discussing with the government and our partners, and then we'll be looking at the monetizing by laying the additional line for evacuation, gas evacuation and gas processing facility therein. So oil processing already existing, then we will be looking for some facilities, minimum facilities therein to offtake the gas.
The next question is from the line of Riddhesh Gandhi from Discovery Capital.
Just wanted to understand, given now the physical stuff of the pipeline is already laid and in place. Just wanted to understand actually, I mean, what are the risks potentially of it being completed by the end of the quarter?
Riddhesh, I couldn't get you the full question, actually.
Sure. No, I was just saying that given actually, most of the pipeline is already ready now in Assam. I just wanted to understand, and we are indicating that it's going to be completed potentially by the end of the quarter. Just wanted to understand any risks with regards to potentially -- I mean, could there be some leakage? Could there be some breakage? Is there some parts missing? Just want to understand, any risk potentially associated with the opening of the pipeline and anything with connectivity.
These are all mitigable risks. And even if there is any leakage, they can arrest it faster. There's not a big issue there on to it. And normally, when they were connecting to the IGGL line, by the time they have to check and the refinery has to cooperate. And once that is done, and they will be checking it. And then compressor station also -- see a lot happen. These are the operational small, small issues will come up. And I'm not privy to it, but that is not a big risk or something as such which is going to happen on it. It may be a delay about a week or something like that. Yes, there is nothing, Riddhesh.
Got it. Understood. Sir, and just again on the HPCL issue, when do we expect this to be resolved? And with regards to future offtake, could there be issues with HPCL or IOC or any of the other PSUs?
Absolutely nothing to do with this issue on future offtakes, that I can assure you. This issue has nothing to do with the future offtakes. And HPCL, we are in discussion with them. And we expect some resolution to us because we are small guys, and we will be always requesting them to help us. So we hope that they will also help us to get some realization of our revenue outstanding.
And we have sort of agreed to what our stand is with regards to the risk and the offtake in...
Riddhesh, if that is sorted out, then I could have got the money, right? So that is what we are discussing on it. We will -- but there is not going to be any dispute or anything. We'll be sitting down and sorting out of that.
The next question is from the line of Mehul Panjwani from 40Cents.
One bookkeeping question, sir. So this INR 259 crores, have we reported in the quarterly results this time?
Yes, we have done that.
Okay. And sir, next question is last quarter, you mentioned that there is oil -- the oil which is there in FSO in the Bombay rig, we are not selling unless we receive -- we get a good price of crude, but the price hasn't moved at all or it is below our requirement. So have we sold any crude at all?
No, we have sold that entire volume. That's why 470,000 barrels we have sold it, right? That's where the issue of HPCL comes in.
Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Ramasamy Jeevanandam for his closing comments. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you all. We are currently drilling in onshore, and this momentum will continue until we unlock the value of our onshore assets. We will also start our offshore drilling campaign and continue until we put all the offshore blocks into value mode. There are some setbacks, which we will overcome. We will ensure you that we meet our growth targets. We once again thank you all for joining us today. Thank you so much. Thanks.
Thank you very much, sir. On behalf of Hindustan Oil Exploration Company Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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