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Ipsen S.A. (IPN) Earnings Call Transcript

July 25, 2024

Euronext Paris FR Health Care Pharmaceuticals earnings 45 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator operator
#1

Hello, and welcome to Ipsen's conference call and webcast on H1 2024 results. I'll now hand you over to David Loew, Ipsen's CEO.

David Loew executive
#2

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, or good morning, everyone. I'm delighted to welcome you to our latest results call. As you just heard, I'm David Loew, Chief Executive Officer of Ipsen, and it's a pleasure to take you through our performance in the first half of the year. Please note that our presentation is available on ipsen.com. Please turn to Slide 2. Before we begin, here is our safe harbor statement, which outlines the routine risks and uncertainties contained within this presentation. Also, any commentary on growth you'll hear today will be based on constant exchange rates unless stated otherwise. Please turn to Slide 3. I'm joined today by Christelle Huguet, Head of our Research & Development, who will provide an R&D update, while our CFO, Aymeric Le Chatelier, will take you through the financials. We'll then be happy to take your questions. Please turn to Slide 4. I want to begin with our business update. Please turn to Slide 5. Today's headlines illustrate real delivery and progress so far this year. Starting with the strong financial performance, total sales grew by 9.5% in the first half, accompanied by a core operating margin of 32.4%. We also generated free cash flow of EUR 394 million. Regulatory success came in the form of the FDA approvals of ONIVYDE in first-line pancreatic cancer and IQIRVO in second-line PBC, respectively. We also anticipate published opinions from the CHMP tomorrow in respect of both IQIRVO and odevixibat, the latter in Alagille syndrome. Finally, we made good progress with our pipeline and external innovation strategy. Today, we in-licensed ex U.S. rights to a late-stage asset, tovorafenib, in pediatric oncology. We also executed four early-stage transactions across Oncology and Neuroscience while we expanded our collaboration and license agreement for the development of CABOMETYX in advanced neuroendocrine tumors. Please turn to Slide 6. Turning to more details of our sales performance, the growth of 9.5% in H1 was mainly driven by the performance of CABOMETYX and Dysport as well as the contributions from Bylvay and ONIVYDE. Somatuline sales decline was limited to 1% as we benefited from generic lanreotide shortages in several countries in Europe. In North America, Somatuline sales fell by 6.3% with solid volume growth outweighed by adverse U.S. pricing. We anticipate a sharper decline from Somatuline in the U.S. in the second half based on increased generic penetration. Dysport sales were up by 12% with continued growth in the therapeutics and aesthetics market, partially offset by adverse phasing in the second quarter. CABOMETYX sales grew by 17%, though the capacity for sales growth was temporarily limited to 1%. The launch in first line contributed to the 25% growth in ONIVYDE sales while Bylvay delivered an excellent second quarter and is now annualizing at over EUR 100 million. I will now provide more details of our main launches this year. Please turn to Slide 7. ONIVYDE is on track to become a standard of care in the U.S. in first-line pancreatic cancer. Although it will take time to change long-term prescribing habits, we're clearly [indiscernible] the significant potential of ONIVYDE over time. 80% of relevant physicians can prescribe ONIVYDE in first line while 90% of payer lives have access. We're seeing updates in use in first line. And this is illustrated by a 17% increase in post-approval weekly demand. We're also delighted with the performance in the major centers as demonstrated by 34% demand growth in the top 10 accounts. Now let's turn to the launch of IQIRVO. Please turn to Slide 8. IQIRVO is having an encouraging early start. And I'm delighted that patients very quickly had access to our new, innovative option to treat their PBC. Following last month's PDUFA, IQIRVO became the first and only approved PPAR to come to market to treat PBC. The approval was based on the ELATIVE Phase III trial data that showed a rapid and sustained response lowering ALP and the level of bilirubin. The unmet need just in the uncontrolled population is extensive with only a minority of eligible patients receiving a second-line treatment today. The launch is fully on track. Patients were covered and on-treatment within the first week of launch. And we already recorded some sales in June. Feedback from physicians has been very good. 50% of health care providers surveyed 1 week post launch were likely to prescribe IQIRVO while there were early positive coverage determinations from commercial and government payer segments. I look forward to providing a further update on launch at our Q3 results. Please turn to Slide 9. Turning to our pipeline, as at the end of June, we have a nice mix of trials across the therapy areas and phases of clinical development. We also anticipate some of our preclinical assets entering Phase I in the coming months. I will now pick out some highlights from the pipeline. In Oncology, we have the opportunity with CABOMETYX in advanced neuroendocrine tumors, and we anticipate filing in due course. In Rare Disease, we look forward to the published CHMP opinions tomorrow in respect of IQIRVO and odevixibat while in Neuroscience, we are progressing nicely with dosing in the long-acting neurotoxin trials in aesthetics and therapeutics. When we next present this chart in October, it will also include tovorafenib, the exciting pediatric oncology asset in-licensed today. Please turn to Slide 10. Tovorafenib is an attractive addition to the pipeline. And this deal perfectly aligns with our strategy. This asset is already approved in the U.S. as a second-line treatment of the most common childhood brain tumor, pediatric low-grade glioma. We have obtained the rights outside the United States. Christelle will take you through the trial details in a moment both in second and first line. And I want to highlight several aspects here. Firstly, there is a high degree of unmet medical need with a limited number of options for patients. In the top 5 European markets, there is a significant level of incidence and prevalence, yet there is no clear standard of care in second line. The trial data were also compelling with tovorafenib the only targeted therapy to show efficacy in the broad BRAF-altered population. We plan to file next year. Tovorafenib will then slot well into our expanding portfolio, alongside our widening range of Oncology medicines. With that, I'll now hand over to Christelle. Please turn to Slide 11.

Christelle Huguet executive
#3

Thank you, David, and hello, everyone. I'm delighted to provide you with an update on Ipsen's R&D program. Please turn to Slide 13 (sic) [ 12 ]. I want to start by reminding you of our focused strategy on innovation, which is guided by science first and unmet medical need. We have seen that the best innovation takes place in the academic and biotech ecosystem, where deep biology and pathway understanding is built through years of research. That's exactly why we have a successful external innovation model. What we do best at Ipsen is making a medicine out of a molecule from the pharmaceutical development to the commercialized medicine, all the way to strong lifecycle opportunities. And through our clinical know-how and deep regulatory expertise, we design the most effective clinical and registry path to demonstrate and bring the value of a potential new therapy to patients with unmet medical need. We do this right across Oncology, Rare Disease and Neuroscience. Let's look at this approach in action. Turn to Slide 13, please. In the first half of this year, we made strong additions to our preclinical Oncology pipeline with both T cell engagers and antibody drug conjugates. Bispecifics are antibodies that have been engineered to target two separate molecules that can be circulating or present on the surface of cells. T cell engagers target specific T cell markers, on one hand, and often use the other hand of the molecule to activate the T cell. With the Marengo STAR platform, we can target a specific subset of V beta subset of T cells, thus limiting wide immune system activation and also precisely activate that specific V beta subset to kill solid tumor cells. The TriSTAR platform operates in the same manner, though it has three hands, hence, trispecific. It recognizes a specific T cell subset. It activates that asset. And it recognizes cold tumors that normally escape the immune system, bringing the T cell to kill the tumor cell. Last April, we successfully selected the first clinical candidate from our ongoing collaboration with the Marengo STAR platform that focus on hot tumors. We then added a second program in collaboration with Marengo using their novel TriSTAR platform, where we reevaluate the potential of selective T cell engagers to reactivate, mobilize and target T cell subset to boost antitumor activity in cold tumors. Ipsen also secured two antibody drug conjugate assets this year with potential in solid tumors. The majority of ADCs have been directed at liquid tumors in large indications of hem-oncology. We have been evaluating the ADC landscape for some time. And in staying true to our strategy, we have selected platforms that offer highly selective targeting to niche biomarker-driven and difficult-to-treat tumor type. IPN60290 targets ROR-1 and IPN60300 targets a novel tumor antigen. We look forward to completing the final stages of the preclinical development for both programs to then move them into Phase I. Please turn to Slide 14. Earlier this month, we announced the expansion of our collaboration with Exelixis to include CABOMETYX in advance pancreatic neuroendocrine and advanced extrapancreatic neuroendocrine tumors. This decision was based on the positive outcome from the CABINET Phase III trial that is led by the Alliance for Clinical Trials in Oncology and sponsored by the National Cancer Institute. An independent Data and Safety Monitoring Board recommended to stop enrollment and unblind the study and allow crossover from placebo to CABOMETYX due to the early efficacy demonstrated at an interim analysis in both of the trial's cohort with clinically meaningful improvements in progression-free survival, which amounted to 11.4 months in pancreatic NET versus 3 months for placebo and 8.3 months in extrapancreatic NET versus 3.2 months for placebo. We have now engaged with regulatory agencies and will submit on the basis of this data. Please turn to Slide 15. Looking now at the newest addition to our late-stage pipeline, tovorafenib is an overall once-weekly type II pan-RAF inhibitor approved with orphan drug designation under accelerated approval by the FDA in April. The pivotal Phase II FIREFLY-1 trial delivered strong data with the best overall response rate of 51% as evaluated by an independent radiology review committee using the RAPNO-LGG criteria specifically designed for pediatric low-grade glioma. We are focusing on regulatory submissions outside of the U.S. now that the deal is done. We also await the results of the Phase III FIREFLY-2 trial evaluating tovorafenib as a monotherapy for newly diagnosed children and young adults with rough outset low-grade glioma requiring first-line systemic therapy. Please turn to Slide 16. Now turning to our rare liver disease, we continue to explore the full potential of IQIRVO to ensure every eligible patient can benefit from this important new treatment. I want to draw your attention to ELSPIRE, a Phase III randomized parallel group, double-blind, placebo-controlled, global multicenter study enrolling PBC patients with ALP levels between 1 and 1.65, the upper limit of normal. In this population, which is typically classified as having an adequate response to standard-of-care UCDA, there remains a negative outcome of death or liver transplant at 10 years comparable to patients with higher ALP levels. Therefore, the goal for patients with PBC is to shift towards ALP normalization. ELSPIRE data is expected in 2026 and the trial is part of Ipsen's strong set of clinical programs in rare liver diseases listed here on the right. Please turn to Slide 17. And let's conclude with a summary of the major forthcoming milestones. We expect regulatory decisions for IQIRVO and odevixibat in the EU soon. Next year, we look forward to a potential EU decision for CABOMETYX in advanced neuroendocrine tumors as well as pivotal trial data for our ALK2 inhibitor, fidrisertib, in FOP. Finally, in 2026, a number of Phase III trials are expected to read out, including Bylvay in biliary atresia, Dysport in both chronic and episodic migraine as well as the combination of TAZVERIK and R2 in second-line follicular lymphoma. With this update, I'll hand you over to Aymeric now. Please turn to Slide 18.

Aymeric Le Chatelier executive
#4

So thanks, Christelle, and hello, everyone. I will now take you through the details of our financial performance in the first half of this year as well as our upgraded guidance for 2024. Please turn to Slide 19. We delivered another set of strong financial results in the first half across sales, core operating income and cash flow. Our total sales, over EUR 1.6 billion, grew by 9.5% at constant exchange rates, our core operating income grew by 2.8% to EUR 538 million while our free cash flow increased by 5.9% to EUR 394 million. Given our high level of EBITDA and this solid cash flow generation, we keep a very strong balance sheet with no debt and have, at the end of June, EUR 2 billion of firepower available for external innovation. Let's go now in the details of those financials in the following slide. Please turn to Slide 20. Starting with the core P&L, the growth in total sales of 9.5% at constant exchange rates translated into 8% at current rates, given the adverse currency movements from emerging markets. Gross margin decreased as planned by 1.6 points, driven by an unfavorable sales mix and the higher level of royalties paid. R&D costs increased by 11% to reach 19.5% of total sales, driven mainly by the continued investment in our pipeline, including IQIRVO studies and Dysport migraine programs. SG&A costs increased only by 4% with a ratio to sales at 34.6%, improving by 1.4 points. It reflects our commercial investment to support the launches but also the impact of our efficiency programs, including the synergies post Albireo and Epizyme acquisitions. As a consequence, as you can see, our core operating income increased by 2.6% with a core operating margin standing at 32.4%, declining by 1.6 points. Please turn to Slide 21. Turning to consolidated net profit. I wanted to highlight several movements. Firstly, the amortization of intangible assets increased by 36% to EUR 123 million, mainly related to Bylvay and SOHONOS. Restructuring and other operating expenses amounted to EUR 97 million, a decline of 22%, reflecting integration costs last year related to the acquisition of Albireo. And as a consequence and with lower financial and tax expenses, IFRS consolidated profit increased by 19% to EUR 232 million. Please turn to Slide 22. Finally, on cash flow, we continue to generate strong free cash flow in the first half of the year and have a healthy balance sheet with no debt at the end of June. EBITDA grew by 2.6%, very close to the core operating income increase. Free cash flow increased even more by 5.9% to EUR 394 million. Net investment in the first half included the payment of the ONIVYDE milestone following the FDA approval of the first-line indication as well as the upfront payment related to the external innovation transaction including Sutro and Skyhawk. With almost no debt at the end of June and based on 2x EBITDA, we have now an available firepower for external innovation above EUR 2 billion. I would like now to conclude my financial section with our guidance for 2024. Please turn to Slide 23. Based on the solid momentum and the strong performance of this first half, we are very pleased to upgrade our full year guidance. As you can see, we now expect total sales to grow by more than 7% at constant exchange rates as compared to our previous guidance of growth above 6%. This assumes an accelerated erosion of Somatuline based on an increased generic competition, notably in the U.S., and also higher contribution for our launches, including ONIVYDE and IQIRVO. On core operating margin, we anticipate now a level of more than 30% of total sales. It assumes a lower anticipated profitability in the second half of the year as a result of our continuous investment for our launches and in our pipeline but also a higher seasonality of costs in H2 versus H1 and a lower level of milestone ONIVYDE in H2 versus H1. With all of that, I will now hand back to David for the conclusion. Please turn to Slide 24.

David Loew executive
#5

Thanks, Aymeric. Please turn to Slide 25. To conclude, there are four key messages to take away from the results today that illustrate the delivery on our ambition. Firstly, we achieved another strong combination of total sales growth, core operating margin and cash generation. We're making good progress on the pipeline, including regulatory success and the addition of a number of promising assets. And our launches of ONIVYDE and IQIRVO are on track. Finally, our commercial and pipeline performance is being driven by continual improvements in our execution, centered on our focus on patients. Please turn to Slide 26. Thanks for listening to our presentation. Christelle, Aymeric and I now have the time for your questions. Operator, over to you.

Operator operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of John Priestner from JPMorgan.

John Priestner analyst
#7

John Priestner from JPMorgan. So two if I may. The first is on Somatuline. So in the first half, we saw Somatuline erosion of only about 1%. So can you help us understand how that might develop in the second half, what some of the push and pulls are around that and how much Somatuline erosion is baked into the 2024 guidance? It seems like there would have to be quite a big drop-off to even reach a kind of double-digit decline in 2024 at this stage. And then the second question would be on IQIRVO. So there's potential that the current standard of care in second-line PBC, OCALIVA, might be removed from the market following a negative EU CHMP recommendation. And I believe there's also a U.S. FDA Ad Comm expected before mid-October. So how are you really thinking about this opportunity and how it might impact the IQIRVO uptake? And is this at all factored into your 2024 guidance?

David Loew executive
#8

Thank you, John. So on your first question on the Somatuline erosion for the second half, you're right, we have, as we have said already at the beginning of the year, guided that we assume an acceleration of the erosion, given the appearance of the generic. So it has been indeed put into our guidance. Now the push and pull, of course, are going to be how much is the supply is going to recover. So it's hard for us to tell that, but we have assumed that the supply is going to recover in Europe and that we will see a stronger erosion in the second half of this year also in the United States. Regarding your second question on IQIRVO, the OCALIVA removal, we will really have to see what happens exactly. In Europe, it's not clear if they are going to put in place a compassionate use program or not for the patients that have been on OCALIVA and what is going to happen with the U.S. Ad Comm, something similar might happen there like in Europe. So we have, in any case, already an assumption of IQIRVO cannibalizing OCALIVA even without the withdrawal. If the withdrawal is not going to be supported by a compassionate use and if it's going to happen also in the United States, there is indeed a potential upside. So it's going to perhaps then accelerate this penetration curve a bit more on patients who are on OCALIVA right now.

Operator operator
#9

Your next question comes from the line of Lucy Codrington from Jefferies.

Lucy-Emma Codrington-Bartlett analyst
#10

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dysport aesthetic seemed a little weak in the U.S. during the second quarter. I wonder if there's anything specific behind this and, just more generally, if you're seeing any sign of a slowdown in the injectable aesthetics market, given some of the commentary we've had from consumer names over the kind of broader beauty market. Secondly, I believe you previously mentioned that Bylvay can be a bit lumpy due to weight-based dosing. Is there anything to suggest that we shouldn't consider the 2Q trend as a good guide going forward? And then finally, just probably maybe still a bit early to say, but I wonder if you could give us an indication of your confidence in your SOHONOS peak sales, given what you're seeing to date regarding, I believe, a preference for physicians to try the clinical trials rather than necessarily using SOHONOS.

David Loew executive
#11

Thank you, Lucy. On Dysport aesthetics, the market in the U.S. is a little bit softer, but you also need to keep in mind that we're selling to Galderma and that there are some shipment phasing. So I will have Aymeric elaborate a bit more on the shipment phasing on the Dysport.

Aymeric Le Chatelier executive
#12

Yes. So thank you, David. So maybe to make sure the numbers on Dysport, especially if you look at them on quarter-by-quarter, you may have a big impact, given the phasing between the supply and the resale, between the sell-in and the sellout. Specifically, and we see that especially on the European performance this year, specifically in the U.S., if you look at our numbers, the numbers are very good and very strong. We benefited in Q1 on some of the lower inventory in Q4 of last year. So as a consequence, by definition, the Q2 was slightly lower. But overall, if you look at the performance of the first half, we have a very strong performance for a 36% growth. So clearly, and I think it's better to listen to Galderma, my understanding is that they are delivering very strong performance, in line with what we see in the in-market demand. With the U.S. market, not maybe at the same level of growth as it used to be but still a very strong market share uptake from Galderma. And we're confident that this is going to continue going into the second half of the year.

David Loew executive
#13

On your second question, Lucy, on Bylvay and the Q1 and the Q2 trend that we have seen, it is correct that sometimes, for example, in PFIC, if you have a batch of more adult patients, the sales can go up a bit more and then it can be a bit less. But overall, mid-, long term, we absolutely assume continued nice growth, which is going to come from further expansion of the penetration in PFIC but also in Alagille. And the CHMP opinion, by the way, for odevixibat is coming tomorrow. So we will see what that decision is, but we are optimistic. And then we're also expanding still in more markets where we're going to launch. So we will see a strong continued Bylvay growth. Regarding your question on SOHONOS, it is correct that there are currently four trials ongoing, so many of the patients can actually include this in those trials, including, by the way, fidrisertib that Christelle talked about that we're going to have to read out next year. So it's too early to say what's going to happen to peak sales. Because once these trials come to an end, then we will see what happens with the different drugs. But clearly, we see FOP as a nice opportunity, and we are also excited to see the results then soon on fidrisertib.

Operator operator
#14

Your next question comes from the line of Xian Deng from UBS.

Xian Deng analyst
#15

So two, please, if I may, both in elafibranor. So the first one is just wondering if there's any color that you could give us in terms of payer discussion you're having on elafibranor. I'm just wondering, do you have any sort of assumptions of possibly a clear preference for elafibranor versus seladelpar once that's approved. So that's the first question. Second one is, I mean, I fully understand you probably can't comment on your expectation for seladelpar label, given the upcoming PDUFA. But just wondering if you could comment on whether your expectations for elafibranor would change, whether seladelpar has pruritus on the label or not. So is there any sort of scenarios regarding seladelpar label that would significantly change your expectation for elafibranor?

David Loew executive
#16

Thank you, Xian. On your first question on IQIRVO and payer discussions, so there is currently absolutely no discussion on any preference status. We do not see currently any problems on reimbursement. So we get patients reimbursed. It's not an issue. We would expect that once seladelpar would launch, that there might be some of those discussions happening. But it's not totally obvious because, for example, on Bylvay, we have not experienced that neither. Yet of course, there are different galenical formulations, et cetera. So we have to see what's going to happen there. We do assume in our assumptions that there will be some payer discussion which is going to start. That's our base assumption. On the seladelpar label, you really have to ask Gilead. What I can say what we have assumed in our guidance is indeed that they potentially would get a pruritus label. So that's baked in already into our guidance.

Operator operator
#17

Your next question comes from the line of Manos Mastorakis from Deutsche Bank.

Manos Mastorakis analyst
#18

So Manos Mastorakis from Deutsche Bank. I have two, please, so one on elafibranor. What is the benchmark you see for ELSPIRE? And how do you see the opportunity there in general? But also in light of the earlier question that was posed on the evolving [indiscernible] on U.S. and EU and potential withdrawal of OCALIVA, how do you see a readout on ELSPIRE kind of impacting the landscape? And my follow-up question is on M&A. I guess, you've done a series of deals, and those are mostly licensing deals and would be great to understand and get a temperature check on M&A strategy moving forward.

David Loew executive
#19

Okay. Thank you, Manos. You were a little bit difficult to hear. There was a lot of background noise, I hope I've got this right. I think your first question related to IQIRVO and the ELSPIRE and the opportunity there. So ELSPIRE is focusing on patients which are between 1 and 1.67. So it's a less progressive patient population than what we had in the current registration trial. There are about 20,000 patients in the pool in the U.S., out of which 9,000, and those are the patient populations we're addressing with ELSPIRE, have a ALP level of between 1 and 1.67, but in addition, also must have symptoms. So for example, they have scratching or they don't -- they feel fatigued, et cetera. So the ELSPIRE trial is really tapping into these 9,000. Regarding what is included already into our guidance, we have modeled a modest spontaneous uptake with the current data in that population already. But as I said, it's modest. So if that trial pans out positive in 2026, then we would assume that we will see an accelerated penetration in this pool. On your second question, what I understood was something on OCALIVA and what's going to happen. I think we have already had that question from John from JPMorgan if there is an upside if OCALIVA would be removed. The answer was that, yes, we assume already some penetration in that pool of OCALIVA. But of course, if it gets totally removed and if there is no compassionate use, then clearly, there would be an upside. On our third question on the M&A strategy, our M&A strategy hasn't really changed. I mean, we are screening on a continuous path. And we are looking at opportunities which fit our strategy that we have laid out in the Capital Markets Day and where we can justify the value because we want to be disciplined in the acquisitions that we are doing.

Operator operator
#20

Your next question comes from the line of Florent Cespedes from Bernstein.

Florent Cespedes analyst
#21

Two, please. First, regarding the guidance for the year, the upgraded guidance, after a very strong first half, so we definitely understand the second half, there will be pressure on strong products and on cost. I was just wondering if you could give us some comments on how do you see the new guidance. Is it cautiously optimistic? Or what could bring you to a kind of a stronger second half than expected? So some comments on this front would be great. And second question is on ONIVYDE. Could you give us an update on the patent dispute on this one? If there is anything new, it would be great to know.

David Loew executive
#22

Thank you, Florent. I will hand over to Aymeric on your first question regarding the guidance.

Aymeric Le Chatelier executive
#23

Yes. So thank you for the question. And I will maybe remind what I said during the presentation, I think we are quite comfortable about this guidance, as always, when we state an upgraded guidance. We think that, yes, the top line, we see a lower growth in H2. As David said, this is going to be mainly related to Somatuline rate of erosion, where we expect that the stock-up in Europe will resume. This is our assumption. There is still a possibility that it will go for longer. We're also assuming that there will be a further penetration of the generic in the U.S., which has been announced, as you say, end of May. And we think that starting in Q3, this is going to accelerate towards double digits as compared to the flat of the first half. And we think that there will be, on the other side, increased contribution from all the launch and a continued good performance of the other products. On the margin side, as I said, this will be also a lower margin in H2, which is quite customary at Ipsen, where we see less sales, given the month of August and December, but also a little bit more cost, given the activity that we always see in the second half of the year. On top of that, we're going to continue to invest to support the launches. Especially, H2 is going to be very important for IQIRVO with the expected approval from Gilead, of the competitor, product. And on top of that, we have some one-off impact, one of them being the phasing of the milestone we received from Servier, which has benefited the first half, and we don't anticipate any in the second half of the year. That's really the underlying assumption where we see great confidence in being able to deliver on that guidance.

David Loew executive
#24

On your second question on ONIVYDE patent use, you're actually most probably not going to hear for a pretty long time on the patent because these things take a very long time to pan out, and we have to submit documents, et cetera, which we all did. We're very confident on it that we have stable patents. So that's all I can say at this moment.

Operator operator
#25

Your next question comes from the line of Alistair Campbell from Royal Bank of Canada.

Alistair Campbell analyst
#26

Just a couple, please, on tovorafenib, if I may. It's not a molecule, I'm afraid, I'm familiar with. But just first of all, can I ask just your sense of confidence that the FIREFLY-1 dataset should be good enough to secure approval with the European regulator? And then maybe just thinking about sales potential, I mean, if I use the OJEMDA price in the U.S., look at the response rate and duration of responses and sort of anchoring to that 700 incident cases per annum population you talk about, that sort of drops out of the sort of sales figure for the EU5 of around about EUR 150 million. I just wonder if that's a reasonable anchoring point to think about in terms of the sales potential for the product or whether you'd like to do substantially better than that.

David Loew executive
#27

Yes, thank you. On tovorafenib, yes, we believe that the data that they have is strong and looks convincing. If not, we would not have done a deal. There is some CMC work that still needs to be done for the European filing. They want [indiscernible] that's really focused on the U.S. filing. So we're going to work together very closely to try to generate the CMC data as quickly as possible and then file sometime next year. We're certainly going to come back to you to give you more guidance when exactly that could be. So the information is going to come fairly soon once we have started that work. In terms of the sales potential, this 700 incidents and 2,000 prevalence relates to the big 5 EU market, so we are assuming a couple of hundred million. So probably your sales figure for the 5 EU is probably somewhere there. But we are not guiding officially on this one.

Operator operator
#28

[Operator Instructions] We will now take the next question, and your question comes from the line of Emily Tedbury from Citi.

Emily Tedbury analyst
#29

I just wanted to ask a high-level one. Thinking about your three commercial divisions, the new U.S. commercial launches you're focusing on as well as constantly screening for business development opportunities to enhance the pipeline, just a sort of broad question about where do you spend your time? And where is the focus on internally? That's the first one. Second question is on Bylvay versus LIVMARLI. What are you hearing from the physician community in terms of different ages on labels for Alagille and PFIC, respectively? Are there advantages or disadvantages associated here in the different indications [indiscernible] share of the market? And then just a quick one on Dysport. Are you concerned at all about Dysport growth being impacted in the medium term by Galderma's potential approval of their liquid neuromodulator, QM1114, which is a more profitable product for them and, therefore, they may be incentivized to switch patients in the mid- to long term?

David Loew executive
#30

Thank you, Emily. So on the first question on where is the focus? I guess, you mean my focus or perhaps my management team's focus. I will start with my focus. I have to focus, of course, in a mid-sized company on all three of them, right? Because we have that, we have four strategic pillars, and we want to really execute on the in-market drugs we have and on our launches. So I have a strong focus on this. But equally, of course, I'm also going to make sure that we can continue to expand the pipeline and to do more acquisitions. So this is with the scope that we have at Ipsen, it's feasible. Of course, we then have, in the executive leadership team, very qualified people who are going to be fully dedicated like Mari, for example, for the international market, or Keira for the U.S. or Christelle, of course, for external innovation but also advancing the pipeline. So we have a very, very strong management team. And I have to say, it is only with them that we were able to actually deliver these strong results that we have seen in the past years. On your second question regarding Bylvay and LIVMARLI and the age in the label. So of course, in the U.S., LIVMARLI got a label which is 5 years and above. So clearly, for us in PFIC, that's an advantage. We haven't, however, on the Alagille syndrome, we have a label of 12 months and above, they have 6 months. So that's a slight disadvantage. But I would not overexaggerating this. Because many babies are being diagnosed as of 12 months and over. In Europe, it's fairly similar. In fact, there's not really a big disadvantage. I would say where the real disadvantage is coming for us is, a, on the galenical form. Because babies, toddlers and adults, they can either take a capsule. They can take the granulates, which you can, for example, for a smaller baby, put in a chocolate sauce or in applesauce. And you can also dissolve it, the granulates, in a liquid, for example, in milk. So we do have all three options. And this is really what convinced us to go for Bylvay and acquire Albireo. On the Dysport growth, I mean, the two products have a different profile, right? So Dysport is in powder and QM is in a liquid, so we know that many physicians have preference for powder because they want to reconstitute it and administer exactly as they want in aesthetics. We also have to see then in QM if that is really -- having it in liquids is such a big advantage. We have seen that Alluzience, which is a liquid, which Galderma has already from us in Europe, gained some market share but not massive. So it has been baked into our guidance so far. And I think that's our last question, operator. So with this, we are wrapping up the call. Thank you very much for attending, everybody. And hopefully, have a nice break. Bye-bye.

Operator operator
#31

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