McPherson's Limited (MCP) Earnings Call Transcript
October 30, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Okay. Very good morning to everybody. Thank you to those of you who were able to join us here today in person and also welcome to those attending online via the webcast. Thank you for being here today for McPherson's Limited 2026 Annual General Meeting. My name is Ari Mervis, and I am the Chairman of the Board, and I will Chair the meeting. As we have a quorum present, I will now formally open the meeting. Firstly, I would like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation who are the traditional land owners and custodians of the land upon which we are gathered today and pay my respect to the elders past and present. We're also meeting today for the first time at McPherson's new CBD office, which we have occupied since March this year. Having changed our operating model to a wholesaler and a 3PL system and no longer in the need of a large warehouse and office space. McPherson's took the opportunity to downsize the office and move its headquarters to a more central location. In attendance and sitting in the room here today, are my fellow Non-Executive Directors; Helen Thornton, Alison Cook, and John Batistich. As announced on the 28th of September, Alison will stand up from the Board after the 8-year service as a Non-Executive Director. During her tenure as a Non-Executive Director, Alison served as Interim Chief Operating Officer, Interim Chair of the Board, Chair of our former Risk and Compliance Committee and is the current Chair of our Remuneration, People and Culture Committee. As shareholders would expect, any new nonexecutive director appointment will be based on the skills and experience needed by the company to help it achieve its strategic objectives, and the new director would stand for election seeking shareholder approval and support at our 2027 Annual General Meeting. We also have our Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, Brett Charlton, here today. As we announced to the market last week, Brett will step down as Chief Executive Officer and MD after over 3 years of leading the company. I will make some further remarks about Brett in my address later in the meeting. From our executive management team, we have our Chief Financial Officer, Mark Sherwin; our General Counsel and Company Secretary, Craig Durham also present today. Some of our other senior managers and executives are here as well as attending online. I would also like to introduce David Ronald and Monique Hill, both from PwC. David is our lead external partner on this year's external audit with this being David's first year of Audit Partner for McPherson's Limited. David will be available later in the meeting to take questions about the conduct of the audit, the preparation and content of the auditor's report, the accounting policies adopted by the company and the independence of the auditor. Chris Stojcevski, representing Computershare, is also in attendance. Chris will act as a returning officer for today's votes on the resolutions of today's meeting. As outlined on the agenda for today's meeting is now up on the screen. Following some administrative matters, I would address the meeting, and then Brett will speak in more detail about the company's FY '26 performance. The formal notice items of business to be covered at today's meeting are set out in the Notice of Meeting which I will take as read. However, I refer shareholders to our ASX announcement on the 19th of October 2026, notifying shareholders that the company has withdrawn Resolution 3 from consideration by shareholders at today's meeting. That withdrawal is, of course, based on Brett's decision to step down from the company. The withdrawal of Resolution 3 will not affect the validity of the proxy form accompanying the Notice of Meeting or any proxy forms already submitted in relation to votes validly cast on the remaining resolutions to be considered at the AGM, subject to voting eligibility criteria. I intend to introduce all formal agenda items other than Resolution 3. And after each item, we will pause briefly to take any questions, both in the room and online. After all formal resolutions have been put to the meeting, we will again pause to give you the opportunity for any further questions. I will now hand over to Craig Durham, our General Counsel and Company Secretary, to cover some of the administrative items for today's meetings. And after that, I'll address the meeting. Thanks, Craig.
Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone. I will now briefly explain how questions may be asked at today's meeting and the mechanism for voting on the resolutions, which will shortly be put to the meeting by the Chairman. To assist you, you can follow what I'm explaining on the slides, which will be explained on the screen. For online questions, to ask a written question, select the messaging icon. Type your question in the box towards the top of the page and press the Send button. Also, for online questions, to ask your question verbally, click the Request to Speak button. You'll be prompted to confirm your name and enter the topic of your question. Submit your details and select Join Queue to be connected. Shortly, the Chair will declare voting open on all items of business. At that time, the resolutions and voting options will appear on the screen. To cast your vote, simply select one of the options. Your vote is automatically recorded and there is no need to press the Submit or Enter button. You can change your vote up until the time the Chairman declares voting closed. The Chairman will give a warning before the poll is formally closed. Attendees in the room today wishing to ask a question can raise their hand. Before asking your question, if you are a shareholder, please state your name. If you are attending as a proxy for a shareholder, please state the name of the shareholder on whose behalf you are attending today's meeting. In relation to the key pads you were given upon your arrival and registration today, once voting opens, attendees in the room today will be presented with the list of resolutions on their voting keypad. Use the trackball to highlight the resolution you wish to vote on and press the green square to confirm. The resolution text will appear and to bring up the voting options, press the green square. Press 1 to vote for the item; 2 for against; and 3 for abstain. To move on to the next item, press the green square or to return to the full items, press the red triangle. Thank you. And I'll now hand you back to the Chairman of the meeting, Mr. Ari Mervis.
That's great. Thank you, Craig. I will now formally declare voting open on all items of business. That means you can vote or change your vote at any time from now during the meeting until I declare the poll closed. I will provide ample warning before I move to closing the voting. Note that the results of voting for all resolutions today will be submitted to the ASX shortly after the meeting. I will now turn to my remarks in relation to the FY '26 financial year. Today, I would like to reflect on the company's performance during FY '26, discuss the progress that has been made since transforming the company's operations acknowledge where your company has not delivered and outline the Board's priorities for the year ahead. FY '26 was a disappointing year. While the business has delivered on many of the important structural changes, those changes have not yet translated into the anticipated sales growth earnings performance and shareholder returns that you would expect. The Board understands along with management and shares that frustration and accepts that the company must demonstrate that significant changes made over the recent years will generate improved financial performance. Over the past 3 years, the Board of Management have overseen a substantial strategic reset of McPherson's. FY '26 represented the first full year operating under the new model and the structural and cost benefits of the transformation were delivered broadly in line with expectations. The company achieved meaningful cost savings, broadened pharmacy outlet distribution and established a scalable and variable cost operating platform for the future. However, the transition proved more disruptive than anticipated. Ranging changes, product availability issues and execution challenges, including within parts of the pharmacy channel, adversely affected sales performance. As a result, FY '26 was not the step forward in financial performance that we anticipated delivering. Revenue from continuing operations was $118.3 million. Underlying EBITDA was $4.3 million and the company recorded a statutory net loss after tax of $20.3 million. The result was clearly unsatisfactory. The company ended FY '26 with net cash of $4.5 million compared to $8.8 million a year earlier and with our debt facilities undrawn. The $4.3 million reduction in cash was a result of a deliberate decision to invest an incremental $5.5 million in working capital, predominantly inventory to restore the availability of our core products after periods where we could not fully meet customer demand. Excluding investment, the business added approximately $1.2 million to its net cash over the year after funding capital expenditure lease payments and the share buyback. We expect this inventory investment to unwind progressively through FY '27 as stock levels normalize, releasing cash back to the balance sheet. Together with its undrawn facilities, the Board is confident the company is appropriately funded to execute on its strategy. The Board also commenced an on-market share buyback reflects our confidence in the long-term value of the company. While we believe our shares are materially undervalued, the Board has deliberately taken a measured approach. Our objective is not to maximize buyback activity at the expense of balance sheet strength. We remain focused on preserving financial flexibility while the business works to improve operating performance. Given the company's retained loss position in FY '26 financial performance, the Board determined not to pay a dividend. During FY '26, we welcomed John Batistich, as an independent Nonexecutive Director and have already benefited from his extensive experience across consumer brands, marketing and digital strategy. As I mentioned earlier, John is standing for election today, and I trust that shareholders will support his election at today's meeting. During the year, we also farewelled Jane McKellar from the Board and as I mentioned earlier, we will also shortly farewell Alison Cook as a Non-Executive Director of McPherson's. On behalf of the Board and myself personally, I would like to thank Alison for her significant contribution as a Director of McPherson's Board and for her unwavering commitment and professionalism. I mentioned earlier that Brett will step down as CEO and MD of McPherson's. Brett joined McPherson's at a time when substantial change was required and was specifically charged with addressing the required change. Over the past few years, he has led a significant transformation of the business. The Board sincerely appreciates Brett's commitment, professionalism and willingness to lead through a period of such change. We also appreciate his support in ensuring an orderly transition. While Brett remains in the role, this will be his last AGM. And so onn behalf of the Board, Brett, I want to thank you for your contribution to McPherson's and to wish you well for the future. The major structural changes associated with the business model transformation have now been implemented. The next challenge is execution. Our focus is straightforward: restoring growth, improving earnings, maintaining a disciplined approach to costs and rebuilding shareholder confidence. The Board's priorities for the coming year are clear. First, we need to oversee the appointment of a new CEO to lead McPherson's through its next phase and drive improved operating and financial performance. Second, continuing the Board's renewal program including the appointment of a new NED following Alison's retirement. And third, supporting management as it executes the next phase of the company's strategy to work -- to restore growth and earnings momentum. Above all, your Board remains focused on execution, accountability and improving outcomes for shareholders. On behalf -- in closing, on behalf of the Board, I would like to thank our employees, our customers, our suppliers, our shareholders and our business partners for their ongoing support throughout this challenging year. I will now hand over to Brett.
Thank you, Ari, and good morning, everyone. Nice to see you here in our new offices in Kent Street. As shareholders will be aware, the company has recently announced that I've decided to step down as Chief Executive Officer following more than 3 years in the role. This will, therefore, be my final AGM as CEO of McPherson's. I'd like to use today's address not only to discuss FY '26, but also to reflect on what has been achieved over the past 3 years and the work that still lies ahead. When I joined McPherson's just over 3 years ago, the business faced significant structural challenges. We embarked on a program to simplify the company, reshape the route-to-market model, focus the portfolio and invest in the capabilities required to support growth. Over that period, the business has been fundamentally reshaped. McPherson's today is a simpler, more focused and more capable organization than the one that I joined 3 years ago. Over those years, we've divested Multix to address the company's fixed cost base, simplify the operating model and focus the brand portfolio to be a leader in premium health and beauty products. We also identified the key and much-loved brands where we needed to place our focus. We've implemented an entirely new route-to-market model. And under that model, we have expanded pharmacy distribution by almost 1,000 outlets to more than 4,500 pharmacies nationally. We've streamlined our portfolio from more than 1,200 SKUs to approximately 600. We've simplified our manufacturing footprint, reducing suppliers for Dr. LeWinn's and Fusion Health from 28 suppliers to 4, and we've dramatically improved customer service levels with DIFOT, which is delivered in full on time, increasing from less than 60% when I joined to 98% today. We've also materially reduced the company's cost base. And a practical example is where we are today. 3 years ago, McPherson's operated from more than 16,000 square meters of warehouse and office space at Kingsgrove at an annual rental cost of approximately $2.5 million. From FY '28, with our move to here at 383 Kent Street, our annual rent cost will be approximately $900,000. Exiting the warehouse also allowed us to reshape the organization to better align with the needs of the business and our new operating model. Today, we operate with a significantly leaner structure than when I joined while continuing to invest in key commercial, marketing and digital capabilities. Since FY '23, employee costs have reduced from $38.2 million to $24.9 million, and selling, general and administration costs have reduced from $15.8 million to $12.4 million. We've refinanced our debt facility, so we now have a fit-for-purpose, right-sized facility at a lower cost to support the business going forward. And we also finished FY '26 with net cash. Those changes required significant effort across every part of the organization. And whilst the financial benefits of those changes have not yet been reflected in shareholder returns, I believe they have established a substantially stronger platform from which the company can now grow. FY '26 was the first full year operating under our new pharmacy wholesaler and third-party logistics model. The cost benefits of that model were delivered broadly in line with our expectations. The business delivered $2.8 million of incremental EBITDA benefits and $5.6 million of incremental EBIT benefits from the new model that were included in the FY '26 result. However, execution challenges during the transition, including ranging outcomes across parts of the pharmacy channel promotional effectiveness and product availability issues in several key brands impacted revenue and earnings performance. As a result, we did not convert the overall -- the operational improvements that have been achieved into the financial outcomes we expected. And we take responsibility for that outcome. Having said that, many of those issues have now been addressed, and the business enters FY '27 from a more stable operating platform than was the case 12 months ago. Our brands remain the foundation of our business. Swisspers delivered a solid performance during the year and maintained its leading position in its category. Manicare continued to hold leadership positions across several categories despite challenging market conditions. Lady Jayne, Dr. LeWinn's and Fusion experienced greater disruption during the transition period, particularly in pharmacy. While those outcomes are disappointing, substantial work has been taken -- undertaken during the year to strengthen the long-term position of all of those brands. This included investment in innovation, increased digital capabilities, direct-to-consumer platforms and a refreshed influencer marketing model. These investments will only be considered successful if they ultimately translate into stronger sales and earnings performance, and that remains our task ahead. I'd like to briefly update shareholders on trading for FY '27. First quarter sales were approximately 11% below the prior corresponding period which included increased stock orders by various wholesalers throughout the first quarter of 2026 in connection with the route-to-market transition. These increased stock orders repeated in December in 2025, and so will be reflected in the comparison periods for the first half of the 2027 result. Notwithstanding current trading, we believe underlying EBITDA growth for FY '27 remains achievable through deploying our new commercial model and with a continued focus on brands, customers and cost discipline. As in prior years, management expects the full year result to be weighted to the second half of 2027. As Ari outlined earlier, the major structural changes associated with the transformation have now been implemented. Our priority moving forward is converting those changes into sustained revenue growth and earnings improvement. That means improving ranging outcomes, strengthening customer relationships, accelerating innovation, building consumer demand and translating the capabilities that we brought into the business into commercial results. In closing, one of the things I've learned throughout my career is that businesses requires different leadership at different stages of their development. Looking back, I'm very proud of the work we've done to reshape McPherson's over the past 3 years. While the trading results remain disappointing, I continue to believe that the strategic decisions made over the past 3 years were the right decisions for the business. Shareholders will ultimately judge those decisions by the company's performance and rightly so. I believe now is the right time for a new leader to lead the next chapter of McPherson's development and convert those foundations into improved commercial outcomes. Leadership transitions are a normal part of how organizations evolve, and I remain fully committed to supporting Board and management through that process. And so before I conclude, I'd like to thank a few people who've made the last 3 years possible and also enjoyable. Firstly, our employees. Throughout a period of significant change, our people continue to support one another, serve our customers and keep moving the business forward, and I'm enormously grateful and proud of their commitment. Secondly, I'd also like to thank the Board for its support, guidance and challenge throughout my tenure. And finally, I'd like to thank our shareholders, whilst the financial outcomes have not yet reflected the full benefits of the transformation, I firmly believe that McPherson's is a stronger business today than it was 3 years ago. and is better positioned to capture the opportunities ahead. It has been a privilege leading McPherson's. I thank you for your support, and I wish the company every success for the future.
Thanks very much, Brett. Before we move on to the first item, formal item of business, just want to check if there are any questions of clarification relating to either my speech or Brett's speech. There will be opportunities later in the meeting for further questions. Any questions online?
No questions, Chairman.
Super. Thank you. Okay. Now turning to the formal business of today's meeting. The first item of business is the consideration of the financial statements and reports for the year ended 30 June 2026. These statements and reports were finalized and given to the ASX on the 27th of August 2026, and they are also contained in the company's 2026 annual report given to shareholders and the ASX on the 28th of September. Neither the Corporations Act nor McPherson's constitution require shareholders to vote on or to formally approve or adopt the financial reports. However, shareholders can, of course, ask questions regarding the financial reports of the company. As I mentioned earlier, Dave Ronald is here representing PwC, the company's external auditor, and he will be available to answer any questions shareholders may have in respect to the auditor's report, the conduct of the audit, the accounting policies adopted by the company or the independence of the auditor. I will now pause for a moment and see if there are any questions relating to the financial reports.
Yes, I'll bring you a mic.
Yes. The question is -- my name is [ Wolfgang Schwartz ], shareholder. To what extent has the Iran War that Trump started back in February affected your supply lines? Looking at the financial report only Swisspers was the only one that made some sort profit. All the other ones are down. Was any of this impacted by this conflict?
Thank you. I'm sorry, I didn't get your name, although it was addressed.
Wolfgang Schwartz.
Thank you very much. Thank you for that question. So really, I didn't hear the question -- it's relating to the impact of the conflict in the Middle East. I think what we've seen as a consequence of that has been a surcharge that's been levied on many of our different transport companies that provide us with transport for both freight inbound of products that have been imported and our finished goods as well as domestic freight. And in many instances, it's a temporary levy that's been put on top of the pricing. Some instances, we obviously try and recover it through passing it on, but then that is a knock-on consequence of an inflationary pressure on to our consumers and on to the shoppers. So it's very hard to dimension exactly what the impact is. We can see the fuel price levy and what that financial impact is, but the holistic impact is very challenging to try and unscramble. Craig, any...
No questions online, Chairman.
Thank you. I will now turn to today's resolutions that do require a shareholder vote. All resolutions presented are contained in a detailed Notice of Meeting sent to shareholders on the 28th of September. As I stated earlier, I will take the Notice of Meeting, without Resolution 3, as read. Resolution 1 is the election of John Batistich as a Non-Executive Director of the company. The first resolution relates to his election. And John, as a Non-Executive Director and current member of the Audit and Risk Committee and the Remuneration, People and Culture Committee and the Nominations Committee, was appointed as an NED on the 17th of November 2025. And in accordance with the Rule 45(d) of the Company's Constitution and ASX Listing Rule 14.4 being eligible, offers himself for election. Details of John's skills, experience and background are contained in the Notice of Meeting. Your directors unanimously recommend, with John abstaining, that shareholders vote in favor of Resolution 1. As Chairman of the meeting for this resolution, I intend to vote any undirected proxies that I hold in favor of Resolution 1. Details of the proxy votes received on resolution prior to the meeting are now shown on the screen. Are there any questions relating to Resolution 1?
It would be good just maybe for John to briefly outline what sort of experience he brings to -- he has in this field and what sort of experience and qualification it brings to be suitable for the job.
Thank you. I'm more than happy to introduce John. You will notice in the Notice of Meeting and in my overview that there is John's resume, which does detail it. So maybe just a brief update from John in terms of that.
Thank you, Wolfgang. My role as a new NED is to ensure that where strategy, policy, risk management and governance of the company is sound, and with all of my colleagues that we are focused on shareholder long-term value. My experiences are largely in consumer goods with companies like Lion Nathan, where I had time and insights in research and marketing; Kimberly Clark, which worked across Kleenex and brands like Huggies. So very much focused on similar channels, pharmacy and grocery. Working with Wrigley, where I was a Managing Director, which again had ranges of products in grocery, route trade, pharmacy and the like. I've also had experiences at PepsiCo as a Chief Marketing Officer; and then at Westfield working across a range of retail and digital experiences. I hold a Bachelor of Business, Masters in Management, a Digital Qualification from ADMA, and I'm a graduate of Australian Institute of Company Directors. And with my colleagues, I focus on supporting our leadership team, holding them also in equal measure and accountability and improving our performance in the interest of all stakeholders, namely our shareholders.
Thanks very much for that, John, and I'm sure you all agree with me that he's very suitably qualified to join our Board. Are there any other questions relating to Resolution 1, either from the floor or online?
No questions online.
Thank you. The second resolution relates to the adoption of the remuneration report forming part of the directors' report for the year ended 30 June 2026. Under the Corporations Act, listed companies are required to include as part of their directors' report, a remuneration report, which includes specific information. A remuneration report has been prepared and was included in the 2026 Annual Report. Under the Corporations Act, this report is subject to a nonbinding resolution of shareholders. However, even though it is nonbinding resolution, it has been the company and the Board's strong practice to take the outcome of the resolution into consideration when reviewing executive remuneration. Your directors unanimously recommend that shareholders vote in favor of the resolution. As Chairman, I intend to vote any undirected proxies that I hold in favor of resolution 2. Details of the proxy votes received on Resolution 2 prior to the meeting are now shown on the screen. Are there any questions relating to Resolution 2?
No questions online.
As mentioned earlier, Resolution 3 has been withdrawn and will not be put to shareholders today. I would now like to give a final opportunity for any further questions on any of the matters or resolutions that have been presented to you today. Can we have a microphone up there? Thank you.
Maybe last and final. AI is a big thing. Just having been to half a dozen of different meetings over the last couple of weeks, companies go head over heels into AI. To what extent is our company using AI? What benefits do you see, what cost savings and what dangers do you also see with AI?
Thanks, Wolfgang. I mean, certainly, very topical. I'll start off and then I'll hand over to Brett to give us more detail behind the answer. But from a holistic perspective, it clearly is a tool that we do use and we have embedded with significant training and also protective measures in the organization because as you're all aware, while AI is a critical enabler, one has to also just be very cautious as to how one navigates through it, particularly in its infancy from both our side as a user, but also in terms of as the developers are reconciling all the challenges. So very much part of the ongoing workflow and used in significant different aspects. But I'll ask Brett, and I think -- again, I'll ask Brett to give you a bit more details.
Great question. Very topical and completely aligned with Ari. AI is used in the business in many, many ways. A lot of it is -- we started with a full company-wide training program around it. So people are taught what it is, how they can use it, what makes good prompting and how it can really help you on your day-to-day productivity. At this stage, we are we haven't moved fully into agentic AI in terms of really helping us unlock a lot of parts of the organization in terms of the data because as we've said many times in the past, our current ERP system is quite old and is outdated, and we are planning at some stage in the future to look like updating that. Once that is updated, we'll have a much cleaner data lake. And with a much cleaner data lake, AI can really help you to find better insights from your data that surfaces information that you can make better decisions on. And that's effectively where it's going to be most powerful for us. There's -- it's changing so far and so rapidly that it's very difficult to kind of be on the front edge of it. And so what we're choosing to do is to invest in ensuring that people are trained correctly, and that they can use it in a way to make their day-to-day work more efficient and more beneficial. We're not looking at it in such a way that we have wholesale cost savings in the organization to remove to be replaced with AI. It's more to help people to do a better job and do a faster job and be more productive in the roles that they're currently doing is kind of where we are now. Yes, cyber, there's no question that it's well and truly high on our radar. In fact, we've had a new Chief Information Officer, who started who was recruited because she has very, very good cybersecurity experience. And we've got 1,000 layers -- or not 1,000 but we've got many, many layers of security that help us to be secure. Cybersecurity is very high on our radar, yes.
My name is [ Amit Savasi ]. I'm a personal shareholder in the business, and I have 2 questions that relate to each other. I'm looking at the business as somebody with past CEO and Board member experience in consumer goods businesses with significant scale and complexity. I mention that because I don't want you to take some of my challenging questions as out of place. I want to start with the overall picture a little bit look into the past and I will connect it to the future as well to get your thoughts. As per the book of Jim Collins' Good to Great, I think it's usually helpful to look at the brutal truth. If I look to the last 3 years, the business has deteriorated in all key performance indicators, whether it's -- and I refer to the Page of 12 of our Annual Report, in terms of revenues, in terms of profits, in terms of cash position, in terms of earnings per share and if you go to further details, obviously, also in terms of market share positions. Now that is not a nice picture to look at in terms of the trend of our key operating parameters. And on top of that, if you had the share price erosion and in other words, the value destruction from a shareholder standpoint, where our share price just post-COVID probably around $3 a share. Currently, where it stands, has approached $0 really quickly recently. Off the top of my head, we have about 140 million odd shares outstanding in the business. We can do the simple math of where a proper value of business should be with our current market performance. Now that is the overall assessment without going into too much detail beyond that. But I want to bring it to the priorities and the related questions. I see the current focus is on revenues, growing the revenues and our market positions. If I look, however, to the P&L or the reported financials of the income statement, we are generating losses with every dollar of revenue that is currently happening. There is a significant divergence between our gross margin position and our operating profit our EBITDA, whichever position you want to look at it, and that is a tremendous tension in terms of managing the financials of the ongoing business. So I'd like to question at that stage whether revenues are really helpful for us in terms of growing that position because we will be generating only more losses going forward if we succeed in that objective. And in the light of this, my first question is, is there an opportunity to reassess the priorities to become more battle fit, in other words? Clearly, the business has done a lot of right things. We heard the CEO speaking and giving us the some of the key actions done in terms of restructuring the business. There's nothing wrong with that. Clearly, execution is a problem. But I think the goal has to be meaningful as well going forward so we really get something back in return. So my first question is about the priorities, whether revenue is the right priority or whether there is an opportunity to reassess that to become more competitive? And I do not refer to market share positions. The second question is, and I want to pose that question on the back of a corporate statement. One of our corporate statements says McPherson's primary objective is to increase shareholder wealth through the payment of dividends and long-term share price appreciation. Now that's in the corporate documents. The question is -- and the focus in that statement is share price appreciation. My question is, how does the Board self-assess its duty of care against the recent performance that I highlighted and particularly against the goal that I just read out? Those are my 2 questions.
Thank you very much for that. Let me just start with a few comments. What you factually say around revenue, price and market revenue and profitability, I agree. There certainly have been different movements in market share. And within some of our brand portfolio, we have leading brands in a specific category and that all eroded market share. Overall, I agree with you that the volume is down, and it's not a defensive comment, it's just to try and clarify that. You rightly speak about a very healthy gross margin. The company operates at around 60% gross margin to sales, which I think in consumer goods, as you know, better than I would, is a healthy one. But we don't generate a loss. We make an EBITDA albeit a marginal one of about $4 million. And only when you take off what are generally the one-offs and the impairments on a noncash basis that we moved into a statutory loss of $20 million. So there is a cash generative component in this business. As I mentioned, if we remove the inventory overlay, which was deliberately done to try and support stock shortages and the additional $5.5 million of incremental inventory that was purchased during the year, if we remove that, the company did generate $1.2 million, if I'm not mistaken in the fiscal. None of those are excuses. That's just saying that this isn't a business that necessarily is in an ongoing loss position and that says that every single sale that we make generates a loss. In fact, it's the other way around, that this business, and particularly now with us having moved to a far more variable cost base has the ability to generate significantly more leverage through the income statement. So incremental revenue on the top line, which remains a key focus, is something that will really flow significantly to the bottom line if we're able to generate it. Because it should be all done very much at a marginal cost base because we don't need to incur additional fixed costs. I think the priorities to be battle fit is a really good question and a really good comment that you made. Top line growth, as I say, is what a consumer goods company in our sector should be striving from. And in the channels we operate with the brands we operate and the people that we've got, we have a lot of confidence in that. No, I'm not throwing out a significant top line number. As you and I have previously spoken about before, we're talking about a very challenging macro environment, consumer sentiment isn't where it would be to really help businesses grow and high inflationary pressure and discretionary spend is something that is weighing heavily on many consumers. And so we do have to look at all aspects of the income statement, the top line and the middle line in order to generate the bottom line. And I'd say that the cost base is something that management, with the Board, continue to assess on an ongoing basis to ensure that we are, as you said, battle fit. Just one other thing I'd like to address that you said that there was nothing wrong with the strategy that was taken over the last 3 years and the redefinition of the company. I would rather turn it the other way around and say strategically, that was very important and everything right, that the overhead base that the company had having this massive warehouse and a massive fixed cost was something that we certainly needed to shed. And Brett and the leadership team, I think, did a commendable job in that regard. Coupled with that was the exiting of Multix, which while it was a big contributor to both the revenue line as well as to the overhead amortization at Kingsgrove, it was operating in a category that we had very little control over because it was largely dependent on currency, commodity and freight costs. And with all of those weighing against us in a period that would have an adverse impact and wouldn't allow us to focus on the streamlined area of the business that we'd like to focus on. I think Wolfgang's question around the Middle East and the conflict there is something that none of us foresaw, but we certainly were beneficiaries of the fact that we no longer have to import all those products in Multix out of Asia with commodity and currency and particularly oil and freight prices going up. So we think, as a Board, your comments around shareholder value and long-term creation. In our minds, it's very much 2 aspects. The one is of us focus around the operation itself that's focusing on the EBITDA line, which we hold management accountable from a year-to-year, month-to-month basis. And that's sort of looking at the game whereas I think the share price is looking at the scoreboard. And the scoreboard is something that if we play the game correctly, we'll get it there. We as a Board aren't proud of the results as they've been delivered. Management aren't proud. You will notice also in our remuneration report that unfortunately, we haven't paid out incentives as a consequence of performance because we do hold the Board and management accountable for the results. And we do continue to look forward into improving the performance so that you, as our shareholders, can have restored faith in our ability. I don't know if you'd like a follow-on question, but by all means. Of course, of course.
Fair statements. I think, in other words, we have to look into the mirror as a business -- and by the way, I'm saying this is all with positive intent, to be clear. So I'm not trying to agitate anyone. I just want to be that clear it's in the best interest of the company, yes. That's my starting point, if in case that was not clear. I think we have to look to the mirror and realize, the business is not what it used to be anymore 3, 4, 5 years ago. We are practically half size, and we are not able to generate the niche business profitability levels that are expected in the consumer goods business, from a business this size. $1 million there, $3 million there, $2 million here will not make any impact from a long-term standpoint. So incrementality is not the way out. There has to be some significant actions to get fit and take it from there. That's what I'm trying to say. Now management, the Board and/or the management may consider that irrelevant, and that's okay. That's why we're sitting here as shareholders expressing our views. But as somebody with experience in this business for 30 years, I'm saying if this business is not getting fit with eroding top line, eroding cash positions, eroding market positions, there is going to be hit against the wall. At some moment, that is inevitable. And I just want to bring up a bit the reality around this because if you have a business creating say, 3%, 4%, 5% EBITDA, it's not good enough. It's just not going to work from a long-term standpoint. If you are a $100 million business, you have to be in the $15 million to $20 million window just as a table stakes from an EBITDA standpoint, also to get proper external support for the business and capital requirements, investment requirements and all the likes. I guess that's what I was trying to say in a broader context coming from afar. I thank you for the opportunity, and I hope the Board and the management will consider this viewpoint.
Thank you very much for that, Amit, and I will take it as a comment and certainly do appreciate it in the positive and constructive light in which it's presented. So thank you for that. Are there any further questions from the floor? Do we have any questions online?
There are no questions online, Chairman.
Sorry, sorry, apologies.
Maybe an inappropriate question, but if you go look in the future, 2, 3 years ahead, '28 or '29, could you see the company again moving around at least $0.40 or $0.50 a share?
I'm not going to speculate on share price movements and where they're going to go. I think if you do, however, have a read through the Notice of Meeting and prior to us withdrawing Resolution 3, we had included for the first time at the request of shareholders, how we set our long-term targets for management for measurement. And I think if you're able to go through that, we believe that those are stretching and testing targets but achievable targets in order for us to be happy to compensate management in that regard. So there are numbers in there that you can dissect and have a look at, which will give you not any guidance and not any steer as to where we think it's going to be, but what we do believe are objective measurements for an LTI purpose. Hopefully, yes. All right. Seeing there are no further questions, I will now confirm that the poll will now be held for determining the outcome or resolutions of today's meeting. Please now enter your vote on today's resolutions if you have not already done so. I will give you a few moments to complete your voting before closing the poll and the meeting. If you have any questions about how to use your keypads, please raise your hand and assistance will be provided. We've got just a question in the front here, please. I'll be okay at the back row there. I don't want to close the poll before you had a chance to vote. You're all good? Okay. Super. Thank you very much. I will now formally close the meeting and formally close the poll. As I stated earlier in the meeting, the final poll results will be released to the ASX and posted on the company's website later today. On behalf of McPherson's Board and management, I'd also like to thank you all for your ongoing support of McPherson's and for participating in today's meeting.
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