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Safaricom PLC (SCOM) Earnings Call Transcript

February 15, 2023

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Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Unknown Executive executive
#1

Greetings, and karibu sana. Thank you for joining us for an inaugural Safaricom Investor Day. My name is [ Zuri ], Safaricom's official assistant, and I will be a co-moderator for today's session. As we begin, I'd like to recognize the presence of the investor community, who have joined us here today. both virtually and physically. I would like to recognize the presence of our regulators, the Capital Markets Authority represented by [ Lucy Kimani ] and [ Wendy Biot ]. Hi, Lucy. Hi, Wendy. The Nairobi Security Exchange represented by Betta Kombe. Hello, Betta. I would also like to recognize the presence of the Board of Safaricom as well as the executive management team, most of who you will hear from and be able to interact with across the day. Before we begin, for the sake of virtual audience, I'd like to outline our housekeeping. Use the chat functionality to share feedback and any comments as we go along in keeping with our promise of diversity and inclusion, a live transcript will be enabled for anyone with hearing difficulties. You can be able to click this in the short transcript tab in your Zoom application. Should you require any support as always, the team and I are on hand to keep you connected with Zoom. You can reach us through chat. For those online as well as those in the room, we have a special digital link available for you to post your questions today. This will be done via online interaction platform, Slido. That can be accessed via www.slido.com, use the code 1786248. Please use this to share any questions that you have. Before I hand you over to our official moderator for today, our CFO, Dilip. I just wanted to comment how much I love Mr. [Maddy's] suit. [Maddy] from HSBC, looking amazing in that suite. Over to you, Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#2

Good morning, thank you, Zuri. That was great. As you can see, she is a smart assistant. She even recognized [Maddy's] suit. Wasn't that amazing? On a more serious note, what we have brought to life today is our virtual assistant. We call Zuri, who is an artificial intelligence and machine learning power bot, that serves our customers on a day-to-day basis. Zuri offers and interacts with millions of customers on a day-to-day basis. Through our big data and analytics, we are able to know our customer needs much better and therefore, serve them on their day-to-day life to make their life simpler. These topics will be part of our conversation today. Our vision is to transform into a purpose led technology company by 2025. As we evolve our business, we felt it would be important to unpack how we aim to bring our strategy to life across the next few years and showcase how we are driving purpose-led growth, which is what our theme for today. Just to remind you, this is not an earnings call. This is not a discussion on our earnings or numbers, just to make sure that we all understand what you are doing today. But rather a discussion an understanding on how we are executing our long-term strategy. Anyway, if you have any questions on numbers, as you know, our Investor Relations team which I believe are super friendly will always be happy and supportive. We will open the presentation today with a macro overview and strategy update from our Chief Executive Officer, Peter Ndegwa, followed by a presentation on how we are embedding purpose at the core of our business by Karen Basiye, our Director of Sustainable Business and Social Impact. Following Karen will be a presentation on financial services by our Interim Chief Financial Services Officer, Boniface Mungania before we take a short break. The second part of the morning will be on our enterprise business, and that will be presented by our Chief Enterprise Business Officer; Cynthia Kropac rounded up by a presentation from Morten Bangsgaard, our Chief Technology and Information Officer. In the afternoon, we have presentation from Anwar Soussa, who is here today with us, who is the Chief Executive Officer for Safaricom Ethiopia PLC. Before each break, there will be experiential presentations from each of the business units, you would have seen those booths behind you. And it will be done by the business units, and they will guide you for all those presentations. After the break, we'll hold a 15-minute session to address if you have any questions from the presentations held. Before we close the hybrid section, we shall have a longer question-and-answer sessions with all presenters. We encourage especially those joining virtually to maximize use of the session as that will be the last activity for you today. For those physically present, you will, of course, have an opportunity to have a group speed network interactions with our leadership team. And that will be in the back of the room, which rounds up the formal agenda for the day. Zuri?

Unknown Attendee attendee
#3

Yes, Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#4

Have I missed anything?

Unknown Attendee attendee
#5

Cocktails.

Dilip Pal executive
#6

Yes. The cocktail yes, as we round up the day, we'll serve a cocktail in the evening, which everyone physically present, of course, physically present will have an opportunity, and all of you are invited to enjoy. Without further ado, it is now my pleasure to introduce our Chief Executive Officer, Peter Ndegwa, to kick us off. Karibu, Peter. As he comes up, we'll watch this short video. [Presentation]

Peter Ndegwa executive
#7

All right. Good morning. Good morning, everyone. People in the room, good morning. I know those online may not -- we may not see those online, but you're all looking very lovely today. I was actually noticing that Zuri did not recognize me, which is a good thing from a self preservation perspective. But I will have to speak to Zuri later and find out why she does not recognize the CEO. But good morning, and welcome, everyone, and thank you to our CFO, Dilip. I was actually saying that I almost wore the same color of shirt as yourself. It's good I changed. But also, I want to recognize Caroline, who is a co-moderator for today. So I want to start by saying welcome and good morning to the Safaricom Inaugural Investor Day. I know that we normally would have an investor engagement at both full year but also half year, primarily to talk about the results of our business and also take questions from the investors. So we are really delighted that we are having this first meeting as a hybrid event, having investors join us face to face and experience a very different feel of our business. It is good, as Dilip has said, that I don't have to answer questions about whether we are going to treat our numbers for the full year or not. That is for another day. But we are really looking forward to today's day, and I want to welcome those online, in particular, and I hope that you'll be able to follow this today as if you are in the room. And the reason why we, as Dilip explained, we have the theme of driving purpose-led growth as we've been talking about this over the years, and I hope over the past 2 years. And I hope that today, we can start to bring it to life in many ways, both through the presentation by various presenters but also some of the machine that you'll see from the team in a moment later this morning. So let me start by recognizing the presence of Board Directors of Safaricom. And we have a fully comprised board with a new chair, and some of our board members are attending online or actually face-to-face. Good to see you, I see that. And also, we have the leadership team, a group of experienced individuals. You are so used to seeing myself and Dilip. So today, hopefully, you can see a number of Edco members presenting today, I'm actually taking you through in detail of some of the strategies that we are continuing to execute. We also have a number of other leaders who are leading very significant areas of the business, including a new area we've formed to focus on the agenda that the government wants to drive. We are elevating the process of how we think about our brand, especially as we expand our business and go into the region. And of course, customer is always the king. And also, I'm very delighted to be welcoming the team from Ethiopia, who are here with us physically today, and you'll be hearing from Anwar later this morning or rather later this afternoon. And Ethiopia is a very important business. And when you think about Ethiopia, we are looking forward to setting up our business that will be the size of Safaricom today in 10 to 12 years. So it is going to be a significant business for us in the future, and it's good to see it start to go live. So I'm looking forward to hearing a lot from the people who you don't normally see on a regular basis. So to start off and to set the scene, I wanted to start by something which is very important to us at Safaricom. We talk about spirit and also people are the most important asset in terms of delivering on our strategy. Safaricom has been known as a very successful business in the region, and you see some of the progress that we are making. But a lot of that is rooted in the kind of spirit that we have. We call it Safaricom spirit, which is about 4 big areas. The first is purpose, which is the core of what we are as a company. We are known for more than just commercial objectives and what we do every day. Purpose has always been central to what we have done. And it's about bringing to life what makes a difference to our society, ensuring that we combine technology and innovation to solve societal challenges. And there is no better example than what we have been able to do on financial inclusion through M-PESA, and Boniface will be talking about that. The second is customer obsession. We are, of course, a commercial business and we will not be existing if our customers are not happy. So in terms of understanding customer needs, in terms of bringing those needs to life, in terms of using technology to make user join us and experience right. And we talk about customer obsession because it's about the spirit of it and what everyone does every day. And then -- so it's about earning customer loyalty and ensuring that we are always very connected to what our customers want. And then the third one is collaboration, which is about doing it together. So it's about not having silos in the business, and you'll see some of the progress that we are making, especially in launching Agile as a way of working. So it's about bringing the organization together to work together, to co-create solutions that make a difference both to society through thinking through the sense of purpose, but also to solve customer challenges. So collaboration is a very important element of our spirit. And then finally, it's one element that Safaricom had been known for, which is innovation, which is about building the future and it's about keeping renewing our business and renewing the things that we do and the business we are. So this is the core of how our business comes alive. And you should see this coming through in a lot of what you'll hear today. And just briefly on customer obsession. One of the things that -- the way we've thought about customers and earning customer loyalty. It's not just about the customer touch points, whether those are shops or care center or indeed the way our commercial people go about their business every day. It's about thinking from a 360 degrees starting with the type of offers that we provide to our customers on the GSM side to the way we think about really being intuitive and secure in the way that we deliver financial services business or even in the new area such as the home side, in terms of fiber because the fiber business is very different or the fixed business is very different from the mobile business because it involves actually visiting a customer and dealing with issues that face customers every day. Or indeed, in terms of thinking about the connectivity we provide every day through our network, both on the network, but also the experience that we provide through IT side and Morten will be talking about that. All indeed, on the touch points that we interact with customers through the omnichannel excellence on the shop -- in our shops, in our care center. Zuri is an example of how we interact with customers and then wrapped up in being the culture that we bring every day with our employees, with our partners, who are dealers and agents and the whole community that serves our customers. So this is the way we think about our customers and our customer obsession, and we are bringing this to life to ensure that we combine, as I have said, innovation and technology to solve societal or customer challenges. Then in speaking about people and the areas that we have focused on and wrapping it up all in the spirit. You can see that on the left-hand side, we have Agile operating model, which we have changed our way of working, so that we allow ourselves to operate it together or we bring collaboration together in the way we engage our customers, in the way we assess their needs. And then in the way that we empower our colleagues to build their craft, to build their skill sets so that we can be the best supporters of Kenyan communities. And also, in the end, are able to deliver great value to our shareholders. So agile has started off well. We have doubled the number of digital talent. We have about 34 -- just over 34 Agile teams and about 1/3 of our business is operating Agile. As a result of that, we've also started to build tech capability, as you see in the middle, what we call future-ready talent and started to skill our people both on the technology side but also the fintech side. In particular, as you know, we've been recruiting graduates every year. This year, we have recruited 80 graduates who are tech -- who have tech skills because we want to make sure that we inject tech talent into our ecosystem toward the big data and analytics, and you'll see some of that later on this morning. And then also, we have joined other operators in the industry to come up with an industry talent program where we are training talent of the future. We also are thinking about how we ensure that our talent is diverse and inclusive. As you can see, we have a target of 40% female in senior management, which is we call FF plus and we are almost there. We believe by the -- in this calendar year 2023, we should be able to hit that 40% in terms of senior management. And also, we are also focusing -- the other element we focus from an inclusion perspective is people living with disabilities. And then on the right-hand side, you can see, on culture, we normally would assess how we are doing. We do something we call [indiscernible], which is the [ Swahili ] word for say, I will give you our views or give you a feedback. And as you can see, on purpose our employees are very connected to purpose in the 90s, 94% and all the other elements, customer obsession, collaboration and innovation is mid- to high 70s. And we believe that with -- this is through the changes that we are implementing. And in another couple of years, we should be in the 80s, which is very highest cost in terms of connection to spirit. And you can see that our engagement is 79%, just below 80%. We've been voted the best place to be. And of course, from a health and safety perspective, we call our program, Zero Harm. As we come out of COVID, the hybrid working is becoming an important way of operating, and we are starting to ensure that our employees have a balance in terms of the way they operate. Let me speak briefly about our purpose. And I'll do this through a video which is supposed to be ... [Presentation]

Peter Ndegwa executive
#8

Why are you not clapping? I'm not supposed to ask you to clap for me, but I think that's a fantastic video. I always have played that video a few times, and I always get amazed by what Safaricom is to this country, to our customers, to our society. And you saw some of the elements of our spirit coming alive, whether that is purpose, customers, innovation. There was a lot of innovation there, but also the collaboration elements, not just collaboration within our ecosystem in terms of internally, but also collaboration with partners that allow us to bring solutions that help us deliver solutions that help us solve customer issues and also societal challenges. And this brings it all in one page, which is we are all about transforming lives in terms of our purpose. Our vision, as Dilip said, is to be a purpose-led technology company by 2025. Our brand promise is being simple, transparent and honest. This is about ensuring that our customers get what they want. And then it's all the foundation of it is our culture, which is the spirit of Safaricom, as you've seen in those 4 areas. And some of the elements you've seen in the video will also come alive when Karen, who is a Director of Sustainability comes to talk about in detail or give you a lot more information about what we are doing, both on the commercial side in being real to society, but also what our foundations are doing. And on the right-hand side, you can see some of the key elements that I mentioned in that video about the impact of our business and how we operate 1 million jobs supported by ecosystem. And you can see it, for example, through the M-PESA agents that we have, which are 250,000. The impact of M-PESA from a social perspective and also the fact that we create more than 10x in terms of profit to the value to society. So a significant impact and significant contribution to the society because our belief is if the society does well, Safaricom will be a sustainable business. And that's one of the reasons why we are connected to purpose. So let me now switch on to business overview. And I'll start with this slide, which in one page shows just the scale of our business across -- of course, the largest business in the region, the leading operator in Kenya. In terms of scale, we have 2/3 share of the market. You see scale in terms of customer numbers, whether that is M-PESA in the 30s in terms of 30-day active but also total customers, but also the scale of our network both from a technology perspective, we are now at 97% coverage on 4G and have launched 5G but also the distribution footprint that we have both on the financial services side, on the agent side, more than 0.25 million. I always say it's about 200 people for 1 agent. So it's almost at arm's length. And it is the scale and the reach of our network is much better than any of consumer goods -- the most distributed consumer goods in this market. You can see that M-PESA agents is more than 0.5 million. And we've seen that tripled since COVID. And on the right-hand side, you can see that we have the use of technology tools by our merchants -- sorry, I should have said the 500,000 is merchants and the use of the business app by our marshals, but also agents. And you'll be seeing it later with the team at the back. So a significant scale. We have a Net Promoter Score of 64%, and I'll talk about that. The big area that we need to continue to drive its affordability, and we have made huge progress. And then, of course, the ubiquity of our network, which Morten will be speaking about. So we have clearly, a ubiquitous brand a household name that has scale and reach that makes impact every day to consumers and both on the connectivity side but also on the financial services side. And we will use this scale as we transform to be a purpose-led technology company because it gives us the opportunity to really pivot into ability to become a tech business. Many of you have seen this, so I won't go through it, but you can see that we have started to shift the focus from the kind of traditional mature business, which is voice into the mobile data, which still has a lot of headroom. Fixed is becoming important, but also, of course, financial services, and you'll see it later. This is a slide that I really love because it shows just the way we have grown our business. As you can see on the bottom of that slide, usage of both voice and also data, voice traffic, whether that's minutes of use or data in terms of gigabytes or terabytes. You can see that data has more than tripled in the past 4 years and voice has increased by 60%. So we continue to invest to give customers the ability to use our ecosystem. For those online, you probably know you probably will hear airplanes flying because we are on the flight path. So on voice, we have grown traffic by 60% in a mature business. So it shows that we are still continuing to engage customers in a way that they are able to continue to use this franchise. And then on data, we have more than tripled in the past few years. On the top, you can see that we have reduced the rate. We have continued to make our voice and data more affordable and actually also reduce the premium that we had in our business. 5 years ago, data price was about $5 for a gig. It's now about $1. So effectively, we are much more affordable from a data access perspective and also on voice. Now the next stage is how do we ensure that we have handsets that allow customers to use data. And that's why the Lipa Mdogo Mdogo, the device financing is very important because it allows us to then ensure that everyone has access to the Internet. Today, we still have about a 1/3 -- only 1/3 of the population have 4G handset. So the next 2 to 3 years will be important for us to really transform the ability of customers to access the mobile data by ensuring that they have a device in their hand. On the right-hand side, you can see the significant reductions that we have made on our financial services business and the Boniface will be talking to this in a few minutes, both in terms of the credit side on the Fuliza side by 50%, but also in terms of tariff reduction on the P2P, which is person to person transfers, the pay bill, which is the merchant and also the wallet bank and bank to wallet. Many investors were asking us, what will you do when you go back to charging. We have reduced those charges by a significant amount. So we've used the increase in traffic that we have seen since COVID to ensure that the affordability of this is at a much better level. So as we see growth in revenue in kind of single mid-single digit, we are growing the volume side very significant. The usage side, very significant and also growing penetration very significantly. But now that we have course corrected on data we should see that then leveling off in terms of the future pricing of data. Let me talk about briefly on the market context. So of course, it's a tough environment at the moment across the world in Africa, but also in Kenya in itself. So we have here a number of measures that or a number of parameters that we look at. On the macro side, we see a slowing GDP. Inflation is at unprecedented high level across the world whether that is on food, energy, but also in Kenya, in particular or the Horn of Africa drought. Currency is a challenge. And of course, the Ukraine Russia conflict. Those are already known by investors. We continue to monitor the impact of those issues. However, the big upside, though, is we've had a political transition that has worked very well, peaceful elections, very, very smooth political transition that was enabled through the working of the constitutional offices, whether that's the Electoral Commission or the Supreme Court. So we are satisfied that from a business perspective, that has drawn a line compared to past elections. From a regulatory perspective, we continue to monitor a number of elements, including the mobile termination rates, which we saw a reduction and also because of where the economy is, there are fiscal pressures from a tax perspective. We continue to watch the whole debate around a significant market player status. But one of the big arguments we always make is we are large because we invest. We are large because we are more innovative and we are large because we make an impact to the society. And of course, we have had from January a return to charging for bank to wallet and wallet to bank, which I've already explained. On the right-hand side, we talk about some of the risks that we manage on an ongoing basis, primarily technology in nature, cyber, but also anti-money laundering element and also data privacy that we stay [ with it ]. And we are managing this in a proactive way. We have a significant cyber capability. In fact, we are seen as the regional leader in this area, and we'll continue to do that in the future. From a customer perspective, the biggest issue that customers face today, given the economic environment is seeking more value and that's where you've seen we've continued to course -- to correct to ensure that we deliver more affordability for our customers. There are some very clear positives, especially from the government perspective, government has said the new government has made ICT as a major enabler of its future agenda. And we are already involved, for example, in Hustler Fund, we are one of the lead, ICT or other provider of choice from a digital enabler of choice in ensuring that Hustler Fund was launched. It was launched within a very short period of time within 8 weeks. It has more than 18 million customers who have already been onboarded on to the platform. We believe we have a significant SME opportunity and Cynthia will talk about that. And we are following the law as far as data protection is concerned. Given all that context, how are we playing our role in the market and how are we ensuring that our business is strong. We believe that it starts with ensuring that we are delivering the needs of our customers in a way that is affordable and ensuring that we do that even as we course correct on price, we continue to deliver very solid growth in the future. We will use productivity and the cash flows that we get from a lot of the work that we've done on productivity to fund growth whether that is Ethiopia or new growth areas. We continue to mitigate some of the risks that we face today through growing our business but also driving productivity. And we have been able to show resilience of our business from a profitability perspective through accelerating growth and delivering balanced growth but also through the focus on productivity. You've seen this before, so I won't go into the detail of it. It shows our strategy in one page, both in terms of continuing to strengthen the core, but accelerate new growth areas. So on this final slide for me, it shows the areas that we are focusing on as a company to ensure that although we continue to protect our existing business, from a voice perspective, but also some of the core traditional business on the financial services side, such as P2P, but pivot into the new growth areas, both expanding our financial services business in lending and wealth and Boniface will talk about some of the products we are launching this year. I've talked about the Hustler Fund, which we supported government to launch. There is upcoming news on wealth, which on our wealth product, which Boniface will speak about. Scaling new growth areas, Ethiopia is a big pivot area, which Anwar and the team will speak about this afternoon. We believe that there's a lot of work that the government wants to do to digitize government to automate collection of revenue, and transform government through an ICT lens. So that's a big area that we are focused on and between Cynthia and Boniface will be speaking about. Mobile data and creating access to the Internet for consumers is going to be a big platform for us to play into the future. So device penetration will be a critical enabler of our mobile data revenue profile. But it's not just to ensure that we deliver mobile data. It becomes the foundation for delivering automation and digitization of the country because if the government wants to digitize its services, it does that through ensuring that we have smartphone penetration. The right smartphone penetration in the market. I've talked about people and the operating model that we've set up going Agile, ensuring that we are doing things together. And we are ensuring that we can go to market at speed. We will not have been able to support the government in the Hustler Fund if we do not have an Agile -- an Agile organization. We were able to mobilize in a very short period of time, put the right talent and skill set together and be able to walk, co-create with the other industry players on a product that in 2 months has 18 million customers, which is fantastic. And we continue to really ramp up the focus on our talent and capability, what we call building the craft of our people. And then, of course, we are building that by enhancing the engine of how our business operates through driving big data and analytics and invest in that. And you'll see our team at the back, Charlotte and the team talking to us about Big Data and also talking to us about customer value management to ensure that we use data to give customers better propositions to improve user journeys and to ensure that we are able to co-create the products of the future. So I hope that gives you a summary of where our business is, some of the challenges that we are managing, how we are keeping our business resilient, but also how, more importantly, we are building the platform for creating a purpose-led technology company of the future. Thank you very much.

Dilip Pal executive
#9

Wow, that was powerful. Wasn't it? But the clap. Thank you. Do clap. I think it motivates the speakers to do even better in the future, okay? Thank you. Thank you, Peter. I think it was very, very powerful. You have articulated our vision of transforming lives and our vision of becoming a purpose-led technology company by 2025. And also you've articulated very well the road map how we're going there? And what are the enablers and your focus and your emphasis and your passion around the culture and the spirit of Safaricom came alive. I think that's very important. Everything else follows, and that's what we believe in. And your focus on how we are getting into the new phase, which we're calling the Phase 3 for our growth areas. So we had 2 fantastic decades in Safaricom when we celebrate our 20 years. We are getting into the next phase of growth. That's what you've articulated by saying the focus is on our new growth areas. So thank you, Peter. As we mentioned before, as you're focusing on the presentation, please think about your questions. And please do this by Slido link. I hope you have that. Actually, you can see that on your screen. Go to www.slido.com, use the code 1786248. Put your name and institution you represent as you close your question. I would now like to invite Steve Kiptinness tines, our Chief Corporate Affairs Officer; and Karen Basiye, our Director for Sustainable Business and Social Impact, to give their presentation. Karibu, Steve and Karen.

Stephen Kiptinness executive
#10

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. It's a pleasure for us as the management team to be here to speak to you about what we are doing at Safaricom. And my role here is to sort of just set the stage for what Karen will speak to, which is about embedding purpose. Peter touched on certain highlights around why we are about purpose as a business. Our purpose journey didn't start yesterday or last year, it actually started in 2000, where how the company approached what it did was about purpose. As it was said in the slides before, purposes about connecting people to people, people to opportunities and people to knowledge. And that's what Safaricom is really about. If you could go to the next slide, please. What we have done as Safaricom is to make sure that before we go for those profits, and we do know that we're here to talk about how is your investment protected? How are we doing as a business? But it's not that the investment is not important, the profits are not important. We believe at Safaricom that what is really important is purpose because when you focus on your purpose and what is our purpose to transform lives. And when you focus on transforming the lives of the people that you're serving, the profits will come through. So we go after purpose first, and this is sort of our purpose slide around how we transform lives. We intend to be a purpose-led technology company, embedding purpose in the core of what we do. And this is not having it in one department that does social impact. This is about all business teams, all commercial teams embedding how they think around innovation. Peter has said in the past we don't innovate. We don't believe innovation is for the sake of innovating. Innovating is for specifically to answer certain pressing social needs. When you meet a social need, you are transforming the lives of Kenyans. And when you transform the lives of Kenyans, the profits will ultimately follow. The pillars that we have shared value plan and responsible business and our people and the world around us speak to the areas where our purpose is important. I'll highlight on the fact that Safaricom is about not focusing on being a linear economy company, but a circular economy company. And the circular economy speaks to when you produce you reuse, you recycle, you reinvest, reproduce to make sure that there's absolutely no waste, so there's minimal waste. In fact, a fundamental principle of a circular economy is that there's absolutely no waste. Now we know that it's probably not going to happen. But we are intend on making sure that how we run our business, the impact it leaves in our environment, and shows that we are operating in a circular economy model to make sure that we are reducing our carbon credits. We are moving away from diesel gensets to solar power. We're making sure that what we put into our environment is positive. And to that end, we intend to be carbon neutral by 2050. We have a program where we are planting trees and my colleague, Karen will speak to that. to ensure that we are offsetting the carbon that we're putting into the environment through the tree planting. The shared value, we want to make sure that we are sharing what we are investing with the communities that we're living in. And so really our promise to our society, to our consumers to the Kenyan society as large is that we have a social contract where we are going to make a difference in your lives. We are not going to focus on pure profits. Like I said, if we focus on our communities, if we focus on making sure purposes at the core of how our teams innovate, how we sell, how we pitch our services, how we pitch our products, inevitably the profits are going to come in. The core areas of transformation that the business focuses on -- are in education, the MSMEs, youth and women and in the platform that we create. And in education, we have a program called the citizens of the future. because if you don't -- any corporate citizen, focus on education as a crucial platform or crucial theme, countries will not transform. Education is at the core of creating that knowledge base. That will give a country the leg up to the next level. In terms of MSMEs, in our country, SMEs, MSMEs constitute about 98% of the businesses that are run in our economy. Our MSMEs are contributing approximately 3% and increasing fast towards the GDP. They provide about 30% of the total employment in our country. You can see why for us MSMEs are a very crucial area of transformation. And so we partner with MSMEs to ensure that we are latching on to what do they need to grow. What is the next area of transformation. What's the next big thing? And I dare say that the Industrial Revolution 4.0, which is where we're at, is really what can lead us to that. It's about 3D printing. It's about Internet of Things. It's what we can do in terms of modular design to enhance what our SMEs or MSMEs are getting into. Youth and women is a very strong area of transformation for Safaricom. Peter has shared our focus in terms of in the business, we make sure that our partners, our suppliers, the MSMEs that we're engaging with if they are MSMEs that have youth, that have women at the core of their leadership behind those businesses, those are the ones we want to focus on and give greater opportunities, too, because if we transform our youth, if we transform our women, then our society has done much more better, and we are meeting our vision of becoming a transformative company through purpose. And finally, the platform that Safaricom is innovating around those, that's where it really happens. That's where we really bring the communities, bring people, bring businesses together. And so for Safaricom, these 4 areas of transformation are big focus areas. And finally, I want to reiterate that our principles remain around purpose before profit. As our investors, you will get your profits after we have focused on purpose in the community. We are building capabilities and making sure that in those capabilities we are building. We have infused 9 SDGs into how we transform. And those 9 SDGs are crucial for us because as a business, we believe that there's a much larger role that we can play in ensuring that we are keeping ourselves our communities and our country accountable. And now I want to invite my colleague, Karen, who looks much better than I am than I do to come and speak to and add more color around transformation. Welcome, Karen.

Karen Basiye executive
#11

Thank you, Steve. Thank you so much, Steve, for setting the context. And thank you, Peter, for always being our #1 [indiscernible]. Robert F. Kennedy once said, the purpose of life is to contribute in some way to making things much better. This is a question we ask ourselves at Safaricom all the time. How can we make the lives of our customers better? What about the communities in which we operate in. And in response to this, we have our 4 purpose pillars. And in each purpose pillar, you will see how the pillar carries the purpose of Safaricom. So the first purpose pillar is creating shared value. How do we create shared value? We create shared value by innovating and developing products and services that touch the needs of the society. So we respond to societal needs in how we innovate in Safaricom, yes. We create shared value by looking at creating digital societies. How do you create digital societies as a business. You create products such as Lipa Mdogo Mdogo. Lipa Mdogo Mdogo will enable those who can't afford to be part of the digital society to join us in our digital transformation journey. And in Peter's speech, he talked about connecting people to people, connecting people to knowledge, connecting people to opportunities as well as connecting people to the world. And when you create these digital societies, then we can showcase -- sorry, you'll get to showcase what we are doing in the digital space from my other colleagues. If you remember when we had COVID-19 pandemic, if it wasn't for connectivity, what were the children who are studying have done, education, health, agriculture, we innovated around these things. For instance, in education, you've heard of Shupavu. This is an education revision tool. And some of the students who sat for their exams from the northern part of Kenya claimed that it is this product that help them revise us to be able to pass those exams. And I think the ladies scored over 400 marks. So indeed, the innovations we've done in health do support our communities. In creating shared value, the spirit is to leave no one behind. There are millions of people to date who are unable to take advantage of the benefits of digitization. So what are we doing as a purpose-led technology company. We are broadening the focus for inclusion and accelerating programs that will benefit our society at large. Under this pillar, if you look at Peter's video, you might have seen Masoko, DigiFarm, M-TIBA, these are part and parcel of the products that create shared value. Looking at Pillar 2, which is our planet. As a business, we are committed to managing our environmental impact. We do not see environmental impact or the environment or planet, as a separate entity from the business. We have integrated our environmental needs. And we know that the greatest impact we can have as a business is to go to net zero by 2050, but also the carbonize society. And by carbonizing society, we are looking at how artificial intelligence, IoT smart metering can support the government's digital agenda as well as making the life of the normal Kenyan easy by doing digitization around the planet. This does not mean we'll stop doing what we've been doing. We have met and set the net zero by 2050 target. We have done our science-based targets. We know the trajectory we are on. And we know that by 2030 internally, 2050, if we don't put certain measures in place, we might not get there. And so what have we done as a business? We have taken a step back and said, we need to have an offset program in place, therefore, growing the 5 million trees. We are not just growing the trees. The trees do increase the forest cover for the Kenya government where they have a target. The previous target was 12%, and we are proud to say we did contribute to Kenya's 12% -- from 7% to 12%. And now the target is to hit 30%. So we've managed to grow almost 1.3 million trees, and we are looking into growing more of these trees as we move forward. The fourth pillar is operating responsibly. As a business, we know that integrity is critical to securing our long-term success as a company and as a business. it is important as our commitment to our social contract. So what are we doing here? We are looking at ethics and integrity in-house and out of Safaricom. We believe in operating in an ethical and upright way, and we want to be a company full of integrity. We look at anti-bribery and corruption, both in within our value system and within our ecosystem. Human rights and digital rights, a new emerging area, and we believe that as a business, we can contribute to the advancement of fundamental rights around the digital rights of the people. Data protection, a big key issue where our customers trust us and they trust us with their data. Therefore, trust is at the heart of everything we do in Safaricom. The fourth pillar is our people and the world around us. This is the heart of Safaricom. Our employees and the communities in which we operate in cannot thrive. We cannot thrive as a business when these communities are not thriving along with us. So as a business, we believe we are building a future fit talent and agile organization, and we are also building an inclusive and diverse ecosystem within the employee base as well as the communities in which we operate in. Moving on to our environmental commitment. Allow me to take a deep dive into the 2 pillars. So I'll take a deep dive into environment and a deep dive into the community. So as a business, we are committed to transforming the lives of our customers and stakeholders in an environmentally sound manner as well as continuous improvement. This is a commitment we've made. We also recognize that our consideration for environment are not separate from the business. I had already stated this. And one of the things we do is reporting in an open and transparent manner. If you look at our environmental achievements, we talk about the good, the bad and the ugly, what we have done. I have -- as I've just said, we intend to plan -- grow 5 million trees we are at 1.3 million trees. So we have a big runway to go to hit our 5 million mark. When it comes to solar, and you'll see it in the video and Morten and technology team will tell you, we started with an ambition of having 4,000 sites. They're now, delightfully I had -- we had 5,000 sites being connected to solar. So when I look at circular environment. This is now our planet portfolio. I see that indeed, we want to do lowest and restorative systems. We are looking at things with our supply chain from sourcing, so design, sourcing, end-of-life tracking, [tech buck] schemes, so network waste. We are always growing the network. How do we get value back from our network waste. We are looking at things 100% renewable and Kenya is blessed with geo and hydro. So indeed, if we can manage to get on to solar, then we do not need to use fuel systems. So what are we saying? We will optimize, we will electrify and we will decarbonize under the circular economy. When I look at climate change, net zero decarbonizing society, very, very exciting. I look to see what my colleagues in the Enterprise business and in technology will help advance our agenda in decarbonizing society. So smart meters, all those things, fantastic initiatives that the business is working on. And of course, we operate in a regulated environment, and we do comply to the local, regional and international environmental laws, and we do benchmark ourselves at the global level so that we are always a few steps ahead of the regulator. I'll pause here for the environment video. [Presentation]

Karen Basiye executive
#12

Thank you very much. The second area of deep dive is the foundations. We have 2 foundations at Safaricom that is a Safaricom Foundation and M-PESA Foundation. The foundations work across 5 critical pillars, education. In education, we are looking at TV and also improving learning spaces as well as digitizing education. And the second area is health. Here, we focus on maternal and neonatal health as well as adolescent health and noncommunicable diseases. The third area is environment, water and livelihoods. This is a critical area tied to our disaster response. Currently, Kenya is facing the worst prolonged drought, I think, in 30 years. And we don't know when the end of the drought will be. As a foundation, we have responded in 2 ways. We were the first corporate to create Pamoja Tuungane in response to supporting our communities that were highly impacted by drought. After this initiative, the Kenyan government saw it fit to appoint our CEO, Peter Ndegwa, to lead private sector across Kenya in supporting and building resilience as well as long-term sustainability. We had to be here again in another 6 to 10 years. So we are working hard using our assets, our knowledge and our partners to ensure that we ring fence these communities. The final area is economic empowerment, and this ties back to the strategy. So our impact in the foundations, 7 million people lives have been touched, over 2,000 partners, and we are in all the 47 counties. So ladies and gentlemen, what gets measured gets managed. We recognize that Safaricom cannot exist without Kenyans and without Kenya as the country. This is our story. This is the story of our brand and our purpose. We are intimately interwoven in the fabric of this country. Perhaps more than any other company in Kenya, we have an intimate understanding often in real time of the true needs of the Kenyan people. Kenyans believe in the ability to find a way to achieve their goals despite the toughest odds? We at Safaricom fully sharing this vision, and I look forward to seeing the vision come to life in Ethiopia as we transform lives. This has been our impact. And most of this has been addressed by other speakers and you'll interact with this. Thank you so much.

Dilip Pal executive
#13

Thank you. Thank you so much, Karen. So Karen has spoken about how we are embedding purpose at the core of our business, and she walked us through those 4 pillars. And how we are impacting societies by our contributions, by our efforts to our sustainable business and social impact program. The successful implementation of this will allow us to impact 45 million lives by 2025. As mentioned before, we'd love you to share your questions. Please do this by Slido link. Is there on the screen. Again, go to www.slido.com, use the code 1786248. Once again, repeating, put in your name and the institution you represent as you close your question. Now it's time for me to invite our next presenter Boniface Mungania, our Interim Chief Financial Services Officer, to give his presentation. I know there's a lot of interest around financial services. Bonnie, welcome.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#14

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Good morning. Peter said, M-PESA is one of the most successful mobile money products in the world and is the largest fintech in Africa today. We want to walk you through this journey in a simple presentation. here, and then I'll invite you to go back stage, and you're going to go through an experience of [indiscernible] or some of the products that we'll be talking about. But before then, welcome to M-PESA addition. [Presentation]

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#15

So when you look at M-PESA, Kenya today ranks third highest in Africa in financial inclusion, only behind [seashores] in South Africa. And M-PESA has been pivotal to this depending on financial inclusion in Kenya. But if you look at the product M-PESA, it is evolving. And today, we can actually break it down in 3 overlapping phases. The first phase was the launch when it was a very simple use case of send money home. It's what, and this is when we set up the infrastructure of agents and getting customers to transact. But the most exciting phase is the one that we are in today and then that your transition to the bad phase, which you call payment digitization A couple of things have happened within this phase. The first one is acceleration of P2P, the original use case of Send Money Home to become the largest payment use case for M-PESA. And what this has done? Because of the simplicity of peer-to-peer, this is what has gone into what you call the informal economy, getting trust and getting small businesses transacting. And as a result, we have penetrated 94% of the other population today with M-PESA. The next thing that we focus on is democratizing business payments. You realize that P2P addresses informal, business payments try to formalize. And 3 things have been worked on during that period. The first thing is just enable our business to collect and bank their money with great success. Then the second thing, which is what we've done the last 3 years is to address a bigger problem than payment collection, which now makes M-PESA transactional account. So we call this a business still today. And then the other thing, we've now evolved it to a universal payment network with interoperability with other mobile money networks, and we continue to interoperable with other payment service providers. Over 900% growth in value of transactions in the last 10 years alone from USD 30 billion in 2013, today, USD 300 billion in annual value flowing through M-PESA. Next is expanding the global reach. 174 corridors are connected to M-PESA. And if you look at the nature of remittances today, they're all terminating to mobile. And so you can comfortably say 90% of volume flows into Kenya are terminating to M-PESA. Next, we went a step fiber, and we built rails or tools that enables technology partners to connect to M-PESA. Today, we have an ecosystem of 61,000 developers and 33,000 integrated applications live on our platform. In fact, I'm trying to quantify, we believe this is one of the best API platforms in the continent today. Further -- and this is a question that has been asked several times, are banks, your competitors? No, we've collaborated with banks, and we have become the distribution platform for digital financial services. During the COVID period alone, 600% growth in value of M-PESA to bank transactions. Further, we've improved our technology significantly. And my colleague, our CTIO, will be highlighting this further. But this financial year, we are on course to achieve a 99.99% availability on M-PESA. And there are other things that you have done, especially around value addition. We introduced micro credit as a value addition to payments. And this is what is powering velocity today. Started with term loans, which are monthly to an overdraft, which now is an embedded credit on the payment journey. The outcome of this is over 64 loans are processed on M-PESA every second. So this is the big story of the payment digitization space, which we're just exiting. And then the exit continue, but our focus really goes to the bad phase. We are now seeing more and more integrated solutions that are embedded to payments. Then we moved to a very exciting phase, which is now what you call the ecosystem play. This is where the M-PESA is going to. What are some things that we are seeing or we want to achieve or we want to power out of the empowerment stage. First of all, it is focused on platforms. What you'll be seeing on stage, for example, is how we are building multi-tenants and credit products and marketplace as opposed to bilateral partnerships. A quick question. A couple of digital lenders were approved by Central Bank few weeks ago. Are they competitors? No. They are going to ride on the rails that you're building because you are becoming a marketplace for such providers. So one of the things that we are very focused on and the bigger transformation of the bad phase will be empowerment, a cash-light society, a digital government powered by M-PESA platforms. The second thing is financial health beyond financial inclusion, and I'll be highlighting shortly how we are focusing on certain dimension on financial inclusion beyond access and use. What you'll be seeing is how we started looking at some of the areas that we believe have opportunity for further digitization. For example, all insurance in Kenya today for cargo imports is done abroad. We are moving it to Kenya. It's already regulated, but there's no enabling technology. You'll be seeing shortly how we're enabling imports or insurance for imports to be paid locally in the marketplace. You'll be seeing how we are addressing barriers to wealth and really focusing on growing savings from the 13% growth that we have today. Then the second thing is what happens to the developer community, not just connecting with M-PESA. We want techpreneurship. We want entrepreneurship that is driven out of innovations they can build out of the M-PESA rails, and you'll be seeing this in a short while. For consumers, they are used to payment. In fact, you are saying these are M-PESA natives. Now we are serving a big generation of M-PESA natives. And our real focus now is how can we power consumer digital lifestyle. And then for businesses, how can we empower them digitize them further and you'll be seeing a showcase of how we are transforming businesses. And then on the global is how can we open more opportunities in the global marketplace. This is how we describe M-PESA today, not a product, but a 3-sided ecosystem with big opportunity in businesses, these are agents and merchants. A real opportunity to get up to 7 million businesses today. The second is a very important partnering the ecosystem with the development, and we'll be showcasing how we're evolving this. And then finally, the consumers where you're saying we want to power their day-to-day lifestyle. And getting more practical. How are you doing this? We've invested in technology and our CTIO, will highlight some of this shortly. But also going further to adopting new technologies like AI, Big Data, we've built an open API in Kenya, and we are building a single point of integration for all M-PESA markets in Africa. And then further, evolving M-PESA into a modern architecture, which is cloud natives and on micro services. And we have created 2 broad interfaces. One is a Super App for consumer, focus on day-to-day lifestyle and open focal creation with the external world. And further, for businesses, you'll be seeing 2 sites emerging from M-PESA. The customer-facing end of the merchant is now what you're calling point of sale and service beyond just payments. And then for the back office of our business, is now what you're evolving to a mobile ERP kind of. You find that the majority of the businesses you are serving today are likely to have smartphone as the fast ICT tools. And we are building on top of that. And then finally, we've talked about the beautiful story of financial inclusion, but the real focus has been on access and use. And so a very important area that you're focusing on now is barriers to financial inclusion. And the first one is cost. Cost is a barrier to use today. The first thing is all the micro transactions below $1 are 0 rated. And this is 30% of all M-PESA transactions. The second thing is we've now started looking at credit. And starting with the overdraft, we've reduced up to 50% on what you call daily access fee, which is about 50% of all the drawdowns on the Fuliza product. And then further, we've recently announced reduction in payment charges by up to 50% average. And then looking at certain areas and we are showcasing this, we have a real opportunity to go micro and get address the issue of informality at the micro SME. We've launched the wallet, which you call Pochi La Biashara. And then further, we've just introduced a wallet for the children between the age of 10 and 17, which we'll be showcasing to you in a few minutes. And so ladies and gentlemen, I want to invite you the backstage so that we can walk through a different type of presentation, experiencing some of the initiatives I've talked about, karibu.

Dilip Pal executive
#16

Yes. So if you want to sit here, you can also sit if you want because you can see those on the screen. You have a choice. You have a choice of going there with the team who are presenting and showcasing, but you can also sit here and see in the screen, yes. It just is choice. Thank you.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#17

Thanks. As you walk, we'll start with the first. So we'll be projecting on the big screen. And as many of you -- as you take a stretch and -- as you stretch and take a small break. We can also line up where the booths are. We'll start with the first booth, which is focused on next financial services. And this is really a story of how M-PESA is firing in financial health and addressing barriers to next financial services like wealth.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#18

Thank you. Great. Good morning, everyone. My name is [indiscernible]. I'm joined here with my colleague, David [Canny]. We are from the next financial services team, and we'd like to take you through what we do. I think from what Boniface has explained, as we're moving to these credits aspects, where do we go the platform players. So our role is to accelerate fintech marketplaces. And with this, we're looking out to starting with a number of different services. One is credit marketplaces. That's going to be able to enable our consumers and businesses that are connected through our platforms to be able to lend into these varieties of business. And this is a play that allows different type of products and partnerships. So it's a multibit. We like to walk you through what we call a credit marketplace that allows us to plug in a lot of who are the fintechs, digital lenders that are being approved by central banks and the banks with the different products to be able to lend in our marketplaces. And this is a simple journey of how you're opting into a simple mini app or the marketplace and you get into login with your M-PESA pin. We validate that and we give you a variety of partners that are connected there to be able for you to choose you. You could choose 1 partner, for example, if I choose equity. Then I will say I want to get a loan from equity and we'll follow up that process clearly. And we get to see what it is. You get to see what you can borrow the time lines and the tenure. All this is powered in the back end by a big credit scoring engine with big data analytics that we run within our ecosystem. So this allows you to see what you do. You can request a loan based on the limits you have and the tenure you have chosen. And you request, it's as simple as that, and the loan gets to be disbursed to your M-PESA account for your transactions. The repayment journey is as simple as, again, the same way. What do you do how do you repair the loan simply like that. And this enables us to be able to track and your repayments are done correctly and we keep scoring and giving you the variety of options. So the marketplace enables different players to come into the ecosystem and offer their different products and services for us. I think as we now look for as a marketplace, I think Boniface, has explained, we've done credit side and we're moving to more protection and then investments. So my colleague, David will take you through what we're doing on insurers.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#19

Thank you, and good morning. So as we -- looking at credit, which has done an incredible job of ensuring there's a lot of financial inclusion. We would want to move into financial health. And with that, we've introduced insurance products that help our customers protect their investments and also into wealth management and also assist us in growing or helping them invest in the market. So I'll take you through insurance. So with insurance, of course, we know that [success rate] that is very green. The penetration rate currently is about 3%. We want to sort of disrupt that space and provide -- address some of the pain points that our customers have, including use of access and claims management. And to do that, we've worked closely with the regulators and the market intermediaries to build products that can drive that journey. One of our products that we would want to showcase that will be launching this quarter is marine insurance certificate, issuance of marine insurance. And that covers insurance of cargo from country of origin into Port at Lamu or Mombasa. So the marine space has about -- we import about [ KES 2.7 trillion ] worth of cargo. But out of that, only about [ KES 3.8 billion ] is covered. From that space, we've seen a lot of pilferage in terms of coverage. And working closely with the regulators, that is IRA and KRA. We've come together to provide a technology called product, where we provide the platform for IRA to start now oversighting that space. and also assist the ecosystem, digitalize end-to-end in terms of offering that product. So I'll take you through the demo for our product called [ Coral ], which covers marine insurance, certificate insurance provision. So the first step is that you, as a client, you will access this through M-PESA app. And once you get to opt-in, then one of -- the first thing you will do is you will input your KRA pin. And once you get your KRA pin validated, then it will populate what you call your IDFs. Your IDF is your import declaration form that has the manifest for your cargo and also the value transit into that manifest. With that, we're able to compute the premium payable for that cargo. So you can either do this as a customer or you can do it through your clearing agent. So once you select your IDFs, then you can select -- you can get the details of what you -- your IDF number, what you covered and the value in terms of the premium to be paid. When you select the payments, so you can either decide to pay now or you can select to sell that request to your customer in case you're using this as a clearing agent. So once we pay then you will get your details populated and then goes to M-PESA and then you're able to pay for your certificate. Once that is done, then you're able to access your marine certificate, and this is what now will be populated and sent to the customer for purposes of confirming that your cargo is covered from point of origin. And the other duplicate is sent to KRA for purposes of clearance at the port. So when your cargo arrives at the port already, your cargo is cleared. It's confirmed clear and you're able to exit it. What that helps with is one, the IRA is able to oversight the market better. KRA is able to validate cargo coming in country and able to collect the right taxes.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#20

And what you've seen there is this is the marketplace from day 1. It's not one insurance company, multiple insurance companies will be presenting their various offers when you're clearing your cargo.

Unknown Executive executive
#21

Okay. All right. I think the next aspect now comes in is particularly around what we're calling wealth and investment. And we will want to showcase one of our approved product, MALI, which is a money market fund, but this is just a stat. As we said, we are building up platforms to enable different type of investments to be done within 1 ecosystem from money markets to bonds to a lot of what we call ForEx trading. So this is what we're enabling within the ecosystem and bringing in multiple fund managers and equity investors in it. So my colleague David will showcase what the progress is.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#22

So as we get into the wealth space, of course, one of our key objectives of wealth is to inculcate our service culture. Currently, Kenya, we are 13%. We're going to grow that to closer towards Vision 2030 as part to be at 20%. For us to do that, we create products around wealth and wealth management that will allow customers to access digital products easily and also they're able to invest easily or accessing the markets, the stock exchange and also our merchants. They also go to market and also raise capital from our exchanges. So I'll take you through MALI which is our inaugural product. which has already received regulatory approval from CBK and CMA and should be going to market in the next couple of days. So once you access our M-PESA app, you will find MALI as a mini app inside there, and you're able to join in by opting in, once you obtain if you're already an existing customer, you're able to see your investment profile and the portfolio. And you see the value there. For example, you can see my balance at [ KES 483,000 ]. And also, you're able to see what you have in terms of your M-PESA balance. So with that, you can decide to make more investments as easy as tapping onto the invest feature and able now to move into your M-PESA wallet and pull money from M-PESA wallet into MALI. Once the transaction is validated, your investment balance goes up by [KES 10,000] because that's what you are investing [indiscernible]. So you're able to track one, your value on a day to day basis in terms of growth, in terms of interest and also the interest rate that is attributable to your investment on that particularly. So what you'll find is that you have an annualized rate, but it's paid daily in terms of what you accrue for that particularly.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#23

Thank you. So again, this is a marketplace. Behind that is a lot of fund managers who will be joining the platform. We'll do the next demo and then we take one question. Now here is how -- or an initiative that we have that is empowering a financially health young generation.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#24

Good morning. My name is Virginia. I'm product manager, M-PESA Go.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#25

My name is [ Kavera ] , Growht Manager in M-PESA Go.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#26

For this particular demo, I will be [Wanjiku]

Unknown Attendee attendee
#27

And I will be [Mama Wanjiku]

Unknown Attendee attendee
#28

So M-PESA Go is lifestyle platform, we are building for the young generation precisely teens. So think of anyone between the age of 10 to 17 years. In Kenya, we have about 11 million teens between that age. And we have seen parents increasingly giving them access to phones and actually some of them having access to payments. But we need to fix 3 things with M-PESA Go, so that we can raise a financially healthy next generation.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#29

The first objective is to provide financial inclusion for our teens with parental control. So as [Mama Wanjiku], I'm able to view the profile of all my children. Let's have a look at [Wanjiku's] wallet. So from [Wanjiku's] profile, I'm able to view all her transaction history at any time. I am also able to determine what services she has access to by enabling and disabling of the services. I am also able to set what limits set transaction limits whether on a daily, weekly or a monthly basis.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#30

Yes. So from that as a teen, I get a digital wallet with payments. And I am able to see end user, the services that my parent has allowed me to use. For example, if you look at my screen here, I'm able to send pay and buy airtime. And I can pay for my daily needs. For example, I can pay for Uber, [Ivakela] Taxi. I can pay for KFC right from my wallet.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#31

The second objective is to introduce practical financial literacy for our teens.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#32

Yes. As my colleague has mentioned before, our savings rate is at 13% in Kenya of our GDP. That's extremely, extremely low. And that's because we were not instilled the culture of savings at a young age. M-PESA Go wants to -- or seeks to turn around that narrative. And by making or instilling practical money skills and one of the skills that we want to tackle is savings. Want to instill a savings culture right from a young age. So imagine your teen who is 10 starting to learn about savings. We are about to introduce one of the use cases around savings, which is goal-oriented savings. So as a teen from my app, I can save up for any of the cool and nice stuff that teens by, for example, PlayStation or make up for the ladies. And through the app, I can set my savings target and actually track how far I am in my savings journey to buy whatever I need.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#33

The third objective is to create an ecosystem of digital services through partnerships to create value and empower our teens.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#34

That's right. So we want to -- we don't want to just give teens payments platform. We want to go beyond payments. and expose to them services that empower them and add value to their lives. We've built M-PESA Go with the capability to connect and host third-party services, whereby we work with our partners in the market and expose services that are important for their growth. One of those services that we have already connected is a coding program. So we've worked with one of our partners, Kodris Africa as you can see on the screen, an exposed coding program, which has already been approved by the government to be rolled out in schools. And now M-PESA Go users can access it right from their phone. They can enroll from their phone and get access to that content. So it's not just about payments. It's going beyond payments from go to growing them. And finally, as you can see from this app, I think we've made it -- made the UI to match the cool and fun personalities of teens like me.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#35

Thank you. Thank you, [indiscernible]. I'll take one question before we proceed to the next booth. Or we can take the question probably from the next booth. So the next case is how M-PESA is empowering micro, small and medium-sized enterprises.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#36

So good morning, everybody. Good morning, everybody. My name is [ Laura Bayou], I hope can hear me. I'm the booth's manager, [indiscernible] & Financial Services.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#37

My name is [ Maureen Mato ], I'm the Product Manager for business payments.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#38

Yes. So today we're taking you through the business app, which is a digital platform that hosts both our agents and our merchants. However, what we're going to go through today is to take you through the experience of our merchants as they interact with this digital platform. So this platform so far, we've had 280,000 merchants signed up into the platform with about 75% of them actively using the platform. So remember, we've transitioned our merchants from just receiving payments and on the Merchant Till. We've enabled them to be able to do payments out of their Till. So they're able to pay their bills from their Till. They're able to pay their suppliers and as well as pay their staff from the Till. So inflows from the Till and outflows from the Till. So we're transforming this Till also to become what we call the point of sale where our merchants from this digital platform, will be able to generate QR codes for the -- QR code when they're receiving -- for the digital customers who are able to initiate transactions from their QR code. They also be able to send requests to their customers for payments as well as generate receipts right from the point of sale. [ Maureen ]?

Unknown Attendee attendee
#39

Currently, we have services that we are offering the businesses. And we are allowing our merchants to grow their businesses by automating their business processes. We are going to partner with third parties that offer some of these businesses. Tools like HR and payroll, CRM for customer relationship management, accounting for bookkeeping and stocks and inventory for inventory management. I will also partner with businesses that offer insurance services, merchant financing for credit, investments and also government services like licensing.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#40

Yes. And also on top of that, what we're doing for the merchants, we are helping them manage their business better. So through this tool, they will be able to onboard their staff, whether it's the salespeople or it is a restaurant of the waitresses. So the salespeople are able to capture the sales that they collect from the customers that do payments into the Till. So what does it do for this business person, they're able to track the performance of the employees and obviously make decisions in terms of how they're going to pay their employees. And the good thing about this tool, we have an insight section where -- which -- where the merchant is also able to see the trends in terms of inflows and outflows. And also, we also inform them on the seasonality of their business. So what does it do for the merchant, they are able to do better planning. They're also able to plan when to stock up depending on the seasonality and the demand in the market. So what are we saying with this tool? We're telling our merchants and we're helping our merchants digitize their product -- digitize the operations, how? They're also going to be able to make better planning, as I mentioned earlier.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#41

It's going to reduce time -- costs in terms of time. So in terms of reconciliation paper work, they don't need that anymore because they have everything in 1 digital tool. And what are we doing for merchants, we're helping them digitize their operations. Thank you.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#42

Thank you. Thank you very much. As I said earlier, this is ERP on mobile for small businesses. Next, I want just to go through how M-PESA is powering consumer digital lifestyle.

Felix Karuma attendee
#43

Good morning. My name is Felix Karuma. I'm the product owner of the M-PESA app.

Gakenia Gathura attendee
#44

Good morning. My name is Gakenia Gathura, Growth Manager, M-PESA app.

Felix Karuma attendee
#45

So when we are developing the M-PESA app, we had 3 main goals. Number one, we wanted to have a best-in-class user experience for M-PESA. So one example for this is that it takes 8 steps to complete a transaction on our traditional channels. So that's the SIM Toolkit and USSD. But on the app with feature such as QR code, we have reduced that to 2 steps. You scan and authenticate and you're done. And you have done this across the product line for M-PESA with all our products and services. Number two, we wanted to evolve from the basic of payments to becoming a fully fledged digital lifestyle service provider and in the process also evolving the business model for M-PESA that you'll hear about it a little bit. And third, we also wanted to expose next financial services. And you have seen the first demo, so feature such as MALI, the wealth management, the insurance marketplace, the credit marketplace will all be featured and anchored in M-PESA app. So the app becomes an anchor channel for all our products and services going forward. Since launch, we had 7 million downloads. And I think a critical start is that we have seen an average increase of 16% increase in the average revenue per user once customers come onto the M-PESA app. And also, we have seen a 33% increase in the number of transactions customers perform when they come into the M-PESA app from the SIM toolkit and USSD, which goes to show that's increasing or improving the user experience for our customers and also layering the lifestyle services makes the app more or M-PESA more relevant to our users on day-to-day basis. What you can see on the screen is our next evolution of the M-PESA app. So we still keep the core transactions front and center. However, at the same time, we bring more prominence to the third-party service and mini apps. And here, we have categorized them into the distinct aggregated verticals. So for example, we have education, we have government, we have health care and we'll be adding more over time. So next, I'll invite Gakenia to take you through some of the mini apps and also give you a glimpse of one of the aggregated verticals we're working with.

Gakenia Gathura attendee
#46

Thank you. So as is mentioned, we have 32 million active M-PESA customers. Of this number, 52% have access to smartphones. So with this data in mind, we looked at what our customers are paying for. We noted shopping, food, transport, health care and education among the common use cases. So we partnered with third-party providers to give our customers these services. So we're enabling them to access all these services on an amazing platform that is the M-PESA app. So our customers don't have to download several numerous apps to access all these lifestyle services. Partnering with third-party providers enabled 2 things. One, we're able to monetize at a much higher rate. The traditional rate is at 0.6%. The traditional transactional charges whereas our current monetization rate is at 7%. The second thing is that it enables us to empower businesses. We're able to allow them to help them scale. We're able to give them access to a larger customer base through co-created growth strategies. M-PESA app is also utilizing Big Data and using technologies such as AI. So we have a recommended engine that suggests services according to user's profile. So someone is adjusted to the services that they would generally want to use or they generally have interest in. So as was mentioned, one of the common use cases is shopping. So we are creating a retail aggregator shop that enables our customers to be able to shop at the convenience of their phones. All they need to know is the products that they want to buy. They don't have to struggle with looking for the stores and looking for different applications to find the services or the goods that they're looking for. But they can conveniently buy them from this aggregated store, all the deals that are at the home page and they can be able to check out with a single sign-on. So we reduced the number of drop-offs that are normally caused by long forms at the beginning of other applications. And our customers are happy and they're able to access everything from the convenience of the M-PESA app. I welcome any questions.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#47

Thank you very much, team. So as we said earlier, it is not one e-commerce marketplace. It is vertical marketplaces. Aggregation of vertical marketplaces build around the consumer lifestyle. I propose we do the last one, then we can take a few questions. And here is how M-PESA is promoting techpreneurship out of our developer platform.

Juliana Rotich attendee
#48

Hello, everyone. I'm Juliana Rotich. I'm Head of Fintech Solutions.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#49

Good morning. I'm Steven [indiscernible], the Software Developer Engagement lead for M-PESA. So welcome. I'm going to take you through how we are exposing the functionalities of M-PESA through what we call the Daraja APIs. Basically, an API is an acronym for application programming interface. It is an intermediary that allows 2 systems to exchange data. And in our scenario here, the 2 systems would be M-PESA and an application on our website that takes or accepts payments through M-PESA. So through our APIs, I will be able to quickly demonstrate to you how simple we've made it for software developers out there to quickly create an application and test and then ship it to production. So the payment option that they've selected would be obviously M-PESA. And then when we choose the product that we want to go with, we create a profile, which we call an application. After the creation, they are provided with credentials that they would need to be providing so that they are authenticated on our platform securely. Let us choose one of our APIs, M-PESA Express to be able to do our demonstration. So we want to build this customer [facilities] and we'll be able to trigger the transaction from our side. So we would need their phone number. And then also, we would need to notify M-PESA that when that transaction completes, tell us through this link that we provide here. So when we quickly simulate this transaction, the customer would receive USSD push on their phone. And then after they receive that USSD deep push, they would be required to authenticate that they indeed want to make these payments by entering their M-PESA pin. And just like that, M-PESA will be able to notify the application for the software developer that indeed, the transaction has been completed and you receive the amount. And as you can see here, the application would be notified. We've made it very easy. In fact, it takes just about 5 minutes from testing to shipping your application to production. Juliana?

Juliana Rotich attendee
#50

Great. So this is just one example. We have several more APIs on our platform. We also have the open API hub that Boniface mentioned. And what this means is the more integrations we have that means there's more data and transaction value flowing through those APIs. Out of the leading tech companies, for example, in logistics, a company like Sendy; in food distribution, a company like Twiga; in lending, [ DigiSako ], Pezesha, many others that are probably part of your portfolios. Banks many start-ups, international money transfer partners. All of them have something in common. They all connect to us through our APIs. In terms of value, that is about $1.3 billion of transaction value that goes through APIs each year. What you've seen is a lot of innovation from next financial services, SME, Super App -- consumer digital lifestyle Super App. APIs that we have on Daraja, both internal and also the ones that we expose to the external community help us to be faster at innovation at Safaricom and also power innovation by third parties in the larger ecosystem. And in terms of impact to society, anytime a developer is hired either within a bank or a startup, they are paid to do that work to integrate M-PESA into their application. Last but not least, this helps us as a business as M-PESA and Safaricom to be more embedded in society in industries that we are not actively participating in but we are an enabler and a key part of the economy from government processes, government payments to businesses and even to global commerce, we are part and parcel of the ecosystem and of the processes to complete a transaction. We are working towards increasing the number of developers increasing the number of integrations, increasing the number of partners. And like Boniface said, this is in order for us to continue to power the 3-sided ecosystem that M-PESA is becoming. I will be happy to answer any questions.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#51

Thank you very much, Juliana. The case you've just seen could be a young developer who could earn 100,000 shillings by just completing that integration for an FMCG company or retailer. So that's why we're saying we are powering techpreneurship using these rails that connect M-PESA to third parties. Thank you very much. That's the end of our presentation. We will have a few minutes for 1 or 2 questions.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#52

[ Maddy Singh ]from HSBC. I just want to understand, this API system sits with you. But if somebody wants to create an app, does he have to be -- like he has to visit a store or he does -- so how does he -- actually the whole process? Like, let's say, I am a merchant and I need to integrate with M-PESA through this API. So what do I do? Do I have a phone number? Do I have a website to go to? Do I have to go with -- visit a physical store? How does the entire thing work?

Juliana Rotich attendee
#53

Happy to answer that. So as a developer, we have a site called Daraja. You go to daraja.safaricom.co.ke. There, you will find all the documentation about what you would need in order to integrate M-PESA. And then also, we have API security guidelines because we are a regulated entity, not only because we are a regulated entity, but we protect all of the transaction data that is flowing through our systems. So you would log in, you would create an account and then you would be given a sandbox area that would also give you step-by-step instructions on how you would integrate M-PESA into your application. And then it would help you to go live. And we've reduced the amount of time. It used to take about 4 to 7 days because there's a lot of e-mails back and forth, but we have added automations -- and what Steven has just shown is we've reduced that time from 4 days to 5 minutes. So if you're a developer, you can quickly just get coding, put it together, add M-PESA as a checkout option and you're done.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#54

Do we have any other questions? Happy take one more.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#55

So how do all these things integrate? Do they all integrate at one place like all these different kiosks we have been to? Do they all integrate to each other as well? Or they're all functioning separately -- in separate boxes?

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#56

Yes. So what we've done is, in the presentation, there is a slide report, which is called a FinTech 2.0 platform. This is like M-PESA where all transactions are running. And then we are building now auxiliary systems around it. So one of them is Daraja, connects to the core and powers this. The other one could be a credit marketplace, connects to the core and then powers that particular site. Then this is apps and channels. They are connecting and then you have now the AI and all the other auxiliary systems. But it is like one fintech platform, which you're seeing now, it's cloud, it's micro services architecture and then it's firing all these ecosystem.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#57

What I'm also trying to understand is that if as an M-PESA customer or Safaricom customer, if I, let's say, signed up for M-PESA Super App, does that automatically also enables me to, let's say, sign up as a M-PESA business customer as well because I might be a businessman? I will have kids, obviously, so that can integrate obviously with the M-PESA Super App. But I mean, do I have to go install different, different apps for all of this? Or can I do all of that in one place within the smartphone?

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#58

Yes. So we have 2 broad channels. If you come in as a consumer, you come through the Super App. And now we are working to all Safaricom services in 1 Super App and then third party services in 1 Super App. As a customer all you need is sign up for M-PESA Super App, all consumer services plus connection to all the businesses are here. When it comes to a business, one business up, which you sign up as the owner of the business, and then you see close to 3 versions. The first version is at your point of sale, there is a version that now we are building what you're calling point of sale and service that we can roll out so many other services plus payments. Then in the business office or the back office, we give you this view that shows you how your business is doing. And now we also have the agent side, which they log into the business app, and then they can distribute our services. So you have 2 broad channels: Consumer, Super App, Business Super Up, and we are complementing the Business Super App with a web portal for the larger businesses. Okay. There have been no other questions. We thank you so much for your attention. And I will take the program back to Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#59

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Bonnie. But can we have a big round of plus for Bonnie and the team? Please be generous. I think the team has done a fantastic job. We all see in presentation, we've seen slides but seeing something coming live, I think it's incredible. So thank you once again, the team very well done. Now what you have seen Bonnie talking about how we are developing M-PESA for future, how we're investing in M-PESA, which is Africa's largest fintech and of course, a significant presence in Kenya. M-PESA has evolved into 3 sided ecosystem powered by a robust technology platform. So as you can see from Bonnie's presentation, as you have seen Peter's presentation this is one of our major growth engine for future. Ladies and gentlemen, we have now come to the end of the first part of the program. We will take a 30-minute break and resume at 11:15 East Africa time. I repeat, we resume at 11:15 East Africa time. See you soon. As you're preparing for the break, you can also start thinking about the questions that you have. And as you know, you have slido.com and the code that you have remembered, you can post your questions as you're preparing for the break. See you soon. Thank you. So just to -- just for your information, the tea would be served on that ... [Break]

Dilip Pal executive
#60

Welcome back. Can you please settle down? So -- we hope you enjoyed the break and now ready to continue today's conversation. So the next 15 minutes, we'll use to answer your questions that you have put it in slido.com. And may I now request Peter, Karen and Boniface to come on stage, please. And our Head of Investor Relations and Financial Planning and Analysis, Caroline Wambugu will assist me with this session. Caroline, what questions do you have for them?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#61

Yes, we've got a number of questions for our presenters. Thank you and let them keep streaming in, about 13 questions have come through, but we've got a 15-minute slot to answer those that are specific to our 3 presenters, and I'll start right away. I'll start with Bonnie. Bonnie, there are 2 questions for you. Let me touch through the first one -- the first one is from Jaynesh of Mazi Asset Management. And Jaynesh is asking on wealth management, can consumers invest in the stock market through M-PESA and are there plans to develop products around -- more products outside of money markets.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#62

Thank you. So MALI, which means well is what [indiscernible] is a platform -- and it's a platform for many fund managers and for products -- multiple products. So what we've done is because we're introducing it first time, we started with a very basic product, which is money market with a real focus on addressing specific barriers that we see in the money market products today, especially area of liquidity, ATC. And what you'll be seeing over time as the AUM growth, more fund managers will be coming on board. So it's not one fund manager. Second to that, you'll be seeing other products. So what you're doing is you're also encouraging the fund managers who are getting on board to bring more innovations and there's a framework to accommodate new products undermining. Then within the public sector, digital transformation, we've committed to government that we will initiate a pillar called digital access for the securities market. We are working with Nairobi Stock Exchange, [ CBSE ] and all the brokers to create digital access, which will be linked to MALI. And we expect this in the -- within -- before the end of first half of FY '24.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#63

Thank you, very much Bonnie for that question. And the second one to you Bonnie as well from Rohit of Citi. Please, could you give more color on the percentage of M-PESA consumers using up versus USD and M-PESA, ARPU growth when a customer shifts to app-based platform from USD, what's the shift from an ARPU growth perspective?

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#64

Thanks. So what you're seeing today, look at M-PESA channels in 3 ways. [indiscernible] on the app and API. When you combine app and API, it comes to about 16% of all transactions going through those 2 channels. Some of them is because the API transactions on the app are rather being initiated from the partner applications, STK and USSD. We don't -- we find them rigid and they are basically addressing the non-smartphone market, still the dominant transaction with the balance, which is over 80%. What do we see as a behavior shift when customers are moving to smartphones? So the [indiscernible] initially the KPIs are chasing is downloads. And then now we've gone to monthly usage. About 1.2 million customers are using the app every month. And now we move to a more presentation, which is measuring consumption [indiscernible] services. So you see a customer do all the payment services on the app and then start consuming the services earlier, like buy tickets, buy food, entertainment, TCC. But what you're seeing, when customers shift before and after, 16% growth in ARPU, 34% growth in days of use and 33% growth in average transactions per month.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#65

Thank you very much, Bonnie. And now to you, Karen. There are a lot of insights shared there on the sustainability report. And so there is a question from Lilian Mwikali of Sanlam. And she wants to know if you could please shed more light on the 25% increase in environmental externalities. What do this relate to? And what are the plans going forward?

Karen Basiye executive
#66

Thank you for the question. So the externalities on the environment side relate to the growth in our network. So our carbon footprint increased a bit from growth in network and the year under review, the COVID restrictions have been relaxed. So then we started traveling around, so scope 3 emissions also went up. Those 2 are the main drivers. And then globally, the social cost of carbon also increased as we had [indiscernible] and that's why the externalities went up. So the initiatives that we are doing, one, we'll talk about solar. So moving from dependence on diesel to full solar and also modernization of the network, including the data centers and based [indiscernible] then if all else anything is left, we will offset.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#67

Thank you very much, Karen. And now moving on to our CEO, Peter. It's a couple of questions for you, but let's see how much you can do with the time that's left. The last one is from Maddy of HSBC. Can you talk about what you think will likely contribute most to your growth for the next 5 years? And if you could order them from the highest contributor.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#68

Okay. Is this working? Yes. Okay. So I think it's a great question. We've always been asked this question by investors. What is that growth profile based on the [indiscernible] business that we are creating. And we've always presented in the following year, which is the traditional elements will continue to be flat or declined. So voice will decline or be flat. Although we are growing minutes of use and growing engagement, you expect mid-single digit -- low to mid-single-digit decline but is a mature business. The MTR elements will continue to affect it. The same thing goes to Boniface's territory, the P2P, the withdrawals and kind of transactional pieces will continue to be flat or low single-digit growth. The big areas that we see growing. And this is why M-PESA is and also mobile data is an area we expect double-digit, is continuing to digitize and automate payments in the same way that the team has demonstrated this morning to -- and have -- there's still a lot of cash in the ecosystem. We could actually automate through smartphone use. You had Boniface say that every time we move people from 2G to 4G, they transact more and so on and so forth. The enterprise side will contribute significantly to this element. So the payments piece, there's still a lot of growth that is expected. But the bigger growth we see is the next financial services, whether that is -- really, it is increasing the penetration of savings, wealth, investment and also going into other financial services area like insurance. And our intention is to go with partners rather than doing it ourselves or create products by ourselves. But clearly, there is still a lot of headroom for growth for M-PESA and financial services, in particular, in Kenya. The other area is data. On mobile data, we only have -- we've seen reduction in the price of data. We've seen accelerated growth in usage. The data customers are increasing and also the amount of data that's being used is increasing. We expect that to grow, and there are 2 elements. One, we've already have the network, 4G coverage everywhere, and you'll see from Morten's presentation, but we need to increase penetration of mobile devices that are 4G [ endeavored. ] We only have a third of our country, 4G -- of our customers having 4G handsets. If we double that over the next 2 years, 2 to 3 years, it will make a material difference in the ability of customers to use. Then of course, we need to provide the right content. So those are the 2 big enablers of growth on mobile. Fixed, there's still a lot of penetration. I mean a lot of work to do on penetration. We are about 200,000 connected customers. We believe there's 1 million customers to be connected -- that is also supported by what government wants to do in terms of fiber and Internet access everywhere in the country. So we see that as a big area. Enterprise is another area, and the Cynthia will be coming after the brief to talk about the opportunity we see in enterprise. And enterprise, both SME but also government elements. Of course, the bigger -- the other bigger one is geographical expansion into Ethiopia. So we do see those would be the big elements in terms of makeup of growth. In terms of what they make up that we'll talk a bit more during the earnings release at the full year because then we'll be able to give proper numbers. But in terms of direction, those are the areas to focus on.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#69

Thank you, very much, Peter. You talked a lot around how we are driving affordability as an organization Modi of Citi would like to know if you could give us more color on driving affordability and which are the key areas where you think there is scope of reducing tariffs?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#70

So affordability is very, very critical, not least because we see customers under pressure from an economic -- social economic challenges that we are seeing today. So customers are telling us that we need more intuitive, more affordable products and actually more safe products. So that's -- those are the areas that we are [ asking about. ] And you saw in the presentation, we talked about customer obsession. And the first 3 elements was ensuring that we do that. And our Net Promoter Score, we are #2 in this market. And the primary reason why we are #2, despite having better experience, better product set, better offerings is because of affordability. And that's one of the reasons why we have reduced the premium that we've had on [ Dica. ] Now it's almost flat to 10% versus our equipment competition. So the element now to focus on the mobile data is to make sure that mobile handsets are more affordable. So that's the area that we need to make sure either through device financing or through working with government to make sure that devices that are available are more affordable. So we believe that data is about the right price. In fact, Kenya is now starting to look at low price on mobile data. We need now to focus on ensuring that you have better and more affordable devices. On voice, that will continue to go down, both in terms of reducing the premium we have, but also because of way MTRs are because MTRs will continue to decline. And then -- but the area now to focus on as we generate a lot more volume is on the financial services, you have seen that we have reduced by a significant margin the cost of transaction on M-PESA whether that is free transactions or very low transactions, which Boniface talked about, which is 30% of our transactions today or actually starting to think about the credit side, which we are focusing on ensuring that the affordability is right there. But also on the [indiscernible] M-PESA merchant transactions and to all those elements, they have reduced by more than 50%. So every time we get more volume, we will not increase margin. We will use that volume to continue to reduce the price of our product. And then the final one is on -- we have a big agenda on productivity, which is lower cost to -- lower cost of production. That is all goes to finding lower price for our customers so that we can make sure that our products are more affordable.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#71

Thank you, Peter. I think we can take one last question. We've got about 2 minutes, and this one is on the regulatory environment. So the question from Maddy of HSBC. What do you think of the current regulatory environment? And what is the regulator's biggest priority, prices or quality access to new tech services or what...

Peter Ndegwa executive
#72

Yes. We are regulator business. So therefore, regulatory risk and regulatory focus will always be a major agenda that myself and the executive team will always focus on. And whether that is the CA, which is the communication authority, focusing on the GSM side of the business. And there, the primary focus is to create more better access. We've already done a lot of work in terms of network coverage. Now it is ensuring that you have mobile phones that are more affordable, but also voice rates that are more affordable, and that's why MTRs have continued to come down. So the regulatory element there is with respect to how we interact with our competition, how we share assets. One of the areas that we are really going to be focusing on, and it will also allow us to get better and lower cost to serve is sharing towers. And that would be a big area of focus for us. Interoperability, the other area that we have really been focusing on as far regulation is concerned, both in the GSM, but also on the financial services side. When you look at the Central Bank, the main thing is to make sure that customers, financial assets and data is safe and secure. So the technology -- the investment in technology had been very significant, and then the affordability elements. So we have worked with the Central Bank in terms of all the very pricing element, not because they have to sign off, but because we are an important enabler of our ability to offer services that are more affordable. And then, of course, the interoperability on the matchup side, which we completed this year. So we'll continue to make progress in that respect.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#73

Thank you, very much, Peter. Thank you, Karen. Thank you, Bonnie. And to our investors and analysts, we have -- we do have a number of questions. We shall endeavor to answer all of them. We have a longer session for Q&A in the afternoon, slightly over an hour. So do not worry, we will address all your questions, let them keep coming in. And Dilip, back to you.

Dilip Pal executive
#74

Thank you, Peter Karen and Boniface. And thank you, Caroline. I'm also thankful to the investors and the analysts for asking those questions. Our next presentation will be from Cynthia Kropac, our Chief Enterprise Business Officer. And what -- the best way to integrate the questions that are coming from for our future growth. And the theme for today, which is delivering purpose led growth Cynthia, take it away.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#75

Good morning. I was so excited to be here today. Really excited. I actually forgot to have breakfast. And when the tea-break was announced, I didn't do that either. And then as I was sitting here, I was hit with an expired moment. I could stand here and let Zuri do this, right? So Zuri, could you do this?

Unknown Attendee attendee
#76

Yes, Cynthia. This is the moment I've been beating for all my lines, Oh my god, ladies and gentlemen, wait. Does it come with the part of being Chief Enterprise?

Cynthia Kropac executive
#77

Oh, no, I'll keep both. Let me do my presentation. So thank you. Thank you, Zuri. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. It's a privilege to be here this morning. Cynthia Kropac is my name, and I have responsibility for the enterprise business organization. Enterprise includes business is small, large, government and also our wholesale business that we interact with other network operators or Internet service providers and like Peter started off this morning talking about our purpose being a purpose-led technology company and that's our aspiration. And the enterprise business organization is very much in alignment with that. in the buildup of developing the technologies that will be the foundation of what will help customers accelerate plan and accelerate their digital transformation. As a business organization under Safaricom, 1 of the commercial units, we -- according to the last fiscal year reporting, $42 billion in revenue, so nothing to [ see ] that, and have been growing at approximately 27% year-over-year over the last 3 years. And that combined both the traditional GSM side of our business, as well as the new growth areas led by cloud, security and applications. Those are actually going at high double, triple digits. That's what helps lift this number up for us. As an enterprise organization, in our mission, our customer is a vital part of what we do and why we do it. Our people are a key element in bringing this to life. And as part of my presentation today for enterprise, is letting you hear the voice of the customer and the voice of our people, and we will integrate that as we go along. So you heard me say we support enterprise businesses all shape and sizes, small to large, governments and also wholesalers. While they're all different in their needs and perhaps aligned in some ways on an industry basis or on a size basis, they all have a common thread of what they are looking at. One is awareness and particularly down the market, having an understanding of what are the technologies that will help me grow my business? What are the technologies that will help people be aware of who I am and how I could support them? And then once they do find that out, if they do find that out, then the big question is, can I afford it? A lot of this technology is birthed outside of the continent, typically priced in dollars or euros, and largely unaffordable for the SME, who's making the equivalent of less than $5,000 in revenue a year. So creating that awareness, creating that affordability. And that question of affordability doesn't stop with a smaller micro business. It's the same question that larger businesses are looking at as technology is just another core ingredient into what they do for their businesses, and how can it be more in line with cost reduction initiatives they have even as they look to technology to power their business. Just a backdrop that we look at in the enterprise business, there are really 3 core things that businesses are thinking about. #1, customers have changed how they want to interact with the business, and how they want businesses to interact with them. So it's no longer a choice for a business to decide if they want to digitize, if they want to transform. Transform they will and they will have to, or they'll be disaggregated, or will be left behind as customers make a choice of where they choose to spend their money. And as you could see in terms of the infrastructure growth that we have experienced in this country, there has been a greater willingness for customers to interact on the Internet. And that has exploded over 120% over the last 3 years. And this is not just what happened during COVID that necessity, that interacting online. But post-COVID, customers interaction on online has grown 63%. So that has persisted and grown. So companies that want to interact with their customers in a more effective way have to transform, have to digitize. And as we digitize, they're now open for a whole new set of threats, cybersecurity crime. If there's any one issue that keeps a business CEO or a business owner awake is all of these threats that are coming at them, and they may not be equipped to be able to handle them. That's if they even aware about the threats. Remember, I talked about [indiscernible] market, there's an awareness gap. And further upmarket where the awareness gap is there, that's a really concerning thing. And if you look at the statistics, as reported by the communications authority, last year, last year, 450 million threats, cybersecurity threats were detected. And they resulted in a loss of about KSH 54 billion. This year, and this is just today after Valentine, February 15. This year alone, the number of detected on 500 million, more than the entire last year alone. So even as companies think about how they interact with their customers, how they interact with their stakeholders, their suppliers, their financial institutions. As all of these interactions go online, cybersecurity becomes a must, must address issue for any business. And then wrapped around all of that is the role of government. And government has a key role in driving the economic development of this country. And Kenya's ambitious goals to do so are right in line with that. And the country is leading first in what it does, in digitizing -- plans to digitize and are already digitizing many of the services that they're interacting with the citizens on. Additionally, they are looking to raise the literacy level of digital in the country. And as that happens, as they raise the scale level, as the infrastructure is spread throughout the country, the need for this type of solutions that enable the small business, that enable the average citizen become very, very vital. And we come back to the same common themes of access and affordability. So what's the opportunity? So I talked about the exploding growth, the changing in consumer behavior and the need for companies to change and take advantage of this opportunity. We see that growth in what has colloquially been called new growth areas, and that is the infrastructure, the fiber that connects the business. Cloud where all of that data that is being built and developed by all these businesses, where does it go to be stored and kept and kept safely due to the cybersecurity issues that exist. And then Internet of Things, how can machine being make smarter to help businesses become more efficient in the utilization of that resource. I'll pause for a minute because it's not a slogan that we are customer obsessed and they are a vital part of who we are. I want to take a minute and introduce a company Mwananchi Credit, and I'll ask Andres and Anders to please stand up. Those are the hardest names to pronounce. They're actually different. They sounded different, didn't they? 2 different names. Our customers from Mwananchi Credit. We're going to roll a video that we'll talk about the company that has grown from just a handful of customers to hundreds of thousands of customers and the impact of connecting technology and cloud-based capability to help them manage their business. [Presentation]

Cynthia Kropac executive
#78

Oh, we can do better than. That's an example of a company a few short 7 years ago, who would have been classified as a micro business. And the type of solutions that we're consuming at their start were very simple business solutions. And you could see as they have grown and they look to Safaricom as a trusted technology provider, that we're with them every step of the way as their needs fundamentally change. And while they may colloquially be called as an SME, I think we would all agree, that's a medium business aspiring to be a large and, certainly, a global business. And that's our role as a technology provider is being hand-in-hand with them to provide them the type of solutions that meet the ambitions. Businesses are aspirational. They don't invest where they come from, they invest for where they're going and Mwananchi Credit is a great example of those investments. I talked about cybersecurity crime and the rate of growth and the tremendous cost that cyber threats cause to the economy and certainly to the business. I wanted to introduce a customer, Mr. Joseph Bee. Mr. Joseph Bee. please stand up so the crowd can recognize you Mr. B is the CEO of Bandari Sacco, yet another business that we have grown together with in providing them the types of solutions that help them meet their goals and objectives of being a financial services provider, security being an underpinning of that. Thank you, Mr. Bee. So let's please see that video. [Presentation]

Cynthia Kropac executive
#79

I am sure -- I am sure Mr. Bee. would have that last part changed because he will be online and will be a technology partner in moving customer forums. And this is the application for which largely in any success paper-based and moving back online. Two key things that you heard in that video. One, buying a cybersecurity solution enough is not enough. The ongoing nature of the threats that are continually evolving will require organizations to have constant health checks. And that is not something that's won and done. It's something that must be invested in on a continuous basis. Second thing you heard, his core business is being a financial institution, not monitoring and managing cybersecurity threats. So investing in managed security services and professionals who do that for a living is a very important thing. One last customer, I want you to meet, and this is Edings. You heard me say that government has an ambitious agenda for digitization. And certainly, they're a key enabler of development. IoT is 1 of the places that we play a big role with government, particularly in the management, effective management of the country's natural resources. I want to recognize Mr. Peter Kibet Biwott, MD Eldowas Water Department; and Mr. Charles Koigi, and he is a key partner with us that is working on IoT propositions that help the government and, in this case, leverage IoT capabilities in managing a critical resource, water. [indiscernible] and we'll talk on the other end. [Presentation]

Cynthia Kropac executive
#80

At the end of the -- I'm wrapping up my presentation now, but I will be seeing you at the back of the room, so you have an opportunity to see these solutions and these customers talking about the impact of these technologies on their businesses, not only in securely connecting them, but being part of the transformational journey and investment for the future. I thank you very much for your time. I will hand back to Dilip, but I will be seeing you at the end of the room here in a few minutes. Thank you for your time this morning.

Dilip Pal executive
#81

Thank you so much, Cynthia. I think we can do better on our clapping huh? So as I was talking before Cynthia came in, that you get -- you actually get to see what you're doing. So sometimes, when you speak to the investors and analysts community during our earnings call. It's mostly -- I mean we talk and then you ask you questions, but this is a very different atmosphere where you can be a little bit more deliberate and to see exactly what you are delivering. So what I pick out from Cynthia's presentation was how we are really helping and supporting a digital transformation for our customers, and how we are enabling and how we show up as their customers, the preferred partner in every solution that we're providing. And that's a big shift. As you can see, it's not big in the sense that the number of customers or things that you are doing, but has immense opportunity. I think the other thing what I want to highlight is sometimes customer stumble, confirm and validate what we are doing, are we going in the right direction, and that was also visible. And we'll get to see that also in the exponential presentation later on. Now again, time for you to look at the screen for the slido.com and fill up your questions and the code, again, repeating 1786248. Don't forget to put your name and the institution you present while you close your question. What better way to connect solutions, future technology, digital transformation, all that you're talking about, but where does this all come from? Technology. So let me now invite Morten Bangsgaard, our Chief Technology and Information Officer, to give his presentation. Welcome, Morten.

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#82

Thank you, dear Dilip. I always call him that during the [ Pocket ] season. So if you look at the photo here, this was taken around a week after John Safaricom and we were taking the company photos. And I want to get -- I thought I would look nice for that and I went to get a haircut unfortunately, the young man and I had different definition of what shorter means. But now we can stop looking at that picture. So. Okay. Sorry, let's go back here. So my name is Morten Bangsgaard. I am heading the technology division in Safaricom here in Kenya. So of course, a lot of what you see. I'm working with my colleagues here to bring to reality. I'm going to talk about some of our key focus area when we look at our 2025 vision of becoming a purpose technology company. But let me start with a couple of [indiscernible] we have today. We are having a leading coverage in the network. We are having a [ 96% ] 4G coverage. So we have 4G almost everywhere. We have invested heavily in our fiber infrastructure. More than 75% of our sites are now connected with fiber, which means you can say they are ready for 5G. In parallel, we have [indiscernible] on fiber both businesses and enterprises, connected more than 1,000 new buildings this year. And at the same time, we are rolling out more than 100,000 new homes on the consumer segments. [indiscernible] backbone. We have M-PESA in 3 different locations in the country [indiscernible] any issues has also led to our uptime. We also had a solid spectrum portfolio. Both spectrum used for the main current technology, 2G, 3G and 4G, but we also have acquired spectrum now, so we are ready for 5G rollout over the next coming years. In terms of the uses on our services, we continue to see a heavy increase in our demand coming both from our mobile customer, driven by increasing 4G devices and increase in using streaming services. You see the similar trend in our fix business and also in our M-PESA business, as Boniface mentioned, driven both by the new functionalities, some more transactions and more customers. We invest more than anyone in the country in a robust infrastructure, which also we can see in the feedback we get from our customers. Our Net Promoter Scores are leading across the experience, across our mobile and our enterprise and our fixed services. But let me talk more about what is sort of the key priorities going forward. With the last couple of years, we have invested heavily in enhancing our analytics and big data capabilities. We now are able to collect over 5,000 data points on our customers. We are now able to analyze them, give personalized offers at the right time to our customers in real time. We have also invested in capabilities in much more detailed customer insight in how do they experience when they use our products or interact with us. So for example, if anyone clicks on the M-PESA app. We have seen -- we know real time whether this customer had a successful transaction, how long did it take to get a response, so any small variations, we can now react promptly on the customer experience. We recently launched a system that can do the same when it comes to our network experience. And I won't talk more about that because you will see 2 examples and [indiscernible] speak to the team afterwards in the back of the room. Another key focus for us in order to fund our investments into the newer growth areas as we have a company-wide productivity program. And we use technology as an important part of how we drive our cost base. So just a few examples on what we've been working on. The first is our cost to serve our customers. We continue to invest in our digital channels. You can see the technology behind the chatbot. You have seen here is home developed by our own people. And it's handling thousands of calls that are deflected from our call center today. So we are now having more than 80% of customer interaction that doesn't need any human assistance, and that number is growing. On a cost to operate, we have been running sort of a robotic automation squad on our [indiscernible] setup here. And that is focusing on taking more manual process and simply automating using technology, and that is run across all parts of the organization. When it looks to our cost to build, this is mainly linked to our CapEx investment, we are partnering with a procurement company, which means that they run global tenders and have the volume, both of Safaricom and of course, all the Vodafone companies. We can be part of that. And in the recent tender on our network, saw a more than 20% savings across all the big network categories. And finally, what has been discussed a little bit earlier today, the cost to run our network, energy costs are more than 40% of the cost to run the network today. We have a [indiscernible] 12 months ago, multiyear program and investing in renewable energy in solar to partly bring down [ carpet ] of cost, of course, also to support our sustainability goals here. We'll also be able to see the -- stick to the team and see how much the effect of that. But in average, we are saving around 22% for energy cost on sites where we run solar. When we look at 5, 7, 8 years back on the telecom industry, a lot of innovation was coming from your core platform. So you competed on having a different bundle, a different price rate, how many days, M-PESA as Boniface talked about Phase 1. It was basically person to person or deposit, withdrawals. What you see now is innovation comes from many more places in a ways it comes from internal in the company, innovation could come from taking a partner products and combining with our capabilities. Innovation could come from completely outside the company, just from the fact that we [ morph ] our technology to the outside world. I mean I think we saw a good example earlier here that we now have more than 50,000 developers certified to develop on M-PESA where they can start up in 5 minutes, we don't need to get involved, and they can innovate just because we opened that system. That is a big focus for us and technology is doing that across everything. We do in trying to build openness on all our systems because we don't know where innovation is coming from in the future. We call this layers of innovations. A good example is how this also worked in practice. If we talked about the [indiscernible], the government initiative for affordable loans and savings, it was announced in the middle of October last year with a launch date of 1st of December. And if you look at what that consists of, so we had 6 weeks to help and support getting that app launched. It consists of a loan element where we already had that in our M-PESA system, consistent -- or we had to develop a new app. So a case the way we structure our technology, we could develop a new app. It has fund coming from third parties, so the whole third-party integration, of course, the money had to go into the M-PESA wallet here. And of course, we already had a security framework. So because we have thought about opening our systems together with the government and other partners will be able to launch that in only 6 weeks. And Peter talked about, I think, $18 million in 2 months. I think we had $12 million in the first week using this system after 6-week effort. When it comes to our broadband strategy, we are using different technologies today. On 1 hand, we have the 4G. As we talked about 96% population. So that's a fixed wireless product that is available everywhere in the country. We recently launched that on 5G as well. Of course, using advances of 5G technology and the efficiency of 5G. So for the same price point, you get more data where we have 5G coverage. We have invested heavily over the last few years on expanding our fiber network particularly in an area where people have a demand for high speed, high usage and can easily scale as the customer requests more. We also see a new opportunity for us in using technology to provide broadband around the country. It's not only that uses wireless, it's typically been used for Enterprise segment is points are coming down now. And we are seeing a part of the market that are interested in an always-on experience, but can accept lower speed for a lower cost. And this is sort of the next phase we're working on, and we launched on when it comes to sort of complementing all the technologies we use to bring broadband to the market. When it comes to 5G, as you can see, it's growing in a number of devices, but it's still a limited market for 5G. As we announced after our half year results, we would have roughly 200 sites by the end of the financial year. And the way we think about 5G, now we're going to grow with our customers. We are prioritizing areas when we look at combination where the growing 5G device penetration, where do we -- where there is no fiber coverage we can see 5G playing a role for our home solution or business solutions or similarly in areas where we can see we need to enhance our capacity or network. We won another spectrum on 4G and we'd rather invest in 5G as a more efficient technology than 4G. And of course, we'll continue to invest over the next coming years in expanding the 5G in the country. And then the final part I'm going to talk a little bit about, and this is, I think, the most important part is, if we want to be a technology-led company, we need to have the capabilities internally to build technology solutions ourselves. And of course, sometimes, as we saw examples here in video from -- since with our local or global partners. So we have higher than 300 developers over the last couple of years. We have invested in an employee experience as a special career path for all our specialists and engineers and the technology organization. And outside, our customer funding part of the organization, we have over 2/3 of our colleagues now working in an Agile set up, which was part of the company-wide transformation that Peter was talking about. A lot of the things that you experience now with the Safaricom is now built by these teams. MySafaricom app, if we use that. And so the chatbot Zuri here. If you go and register a line, all these kind of technologies is built with us. And we have the biggest technology transformation from an internal use in the country. So we also see a big opportunity to work together with [indiscernible] enterprise business to take these competencies and work with our enterprise business and government business and bringing this to life. Some of the internally developed applications, there was only developed with internal focus is now being sold to some of our enterprise customers. We talked about the cybersecurity center we have here. Now we have 8 customers and growing that are using the same capabilities we have here. So I'm going to end with a short video that talks exactly how are we building this engineering journey in Safaricom. Thank you. [Presentation]

Dilip Pal executive
#83

Just before I summarize what, what indeed. Just 1 small announcement. We found a cell phone. So in case that's the 1 you have lost, I just look through your phone and please get in touch with Caroline, she had the phone with her, okay? All right, Morten, and thank you so much. And Morten says that people remember him only when things are not going right. Otherwise, when things are going right, no one remembers Morten. but Morten, thank you so much for this. I think what we saw is and what we believe in, technology is the heart of our business. It's not technology for the sake of technology. Its technology for solutions for customers. What we heard -- I think repeatedly, you heard me talking about how we're building internal capabilities. And why that is important? You can't -- despite being a technology company, if you don't have those capabilities. And those numbers are staggering in a time when -- it's not necessary that there is a lot of opportunity for new hiring, but you have done that. And we have done that, I think almost -- if I remember correctly, almost increased our communities around engineers and developers, all of them are almost 4 times for us before and what we have today. And that builds us the confidence in the foundation that we are on the right track to become purpose led technology company by 2025. I think what you also saw in [indiscernible] progress is moving to a solution will also require a lot more thinking about what the customer needs are. And the opportunities that you have, what Cynthia has spoken about in the Enterprise area, and then also the accelerate new growth areas across all the articles that we spoke about and also the government [indiscernible] initiatives. So we're very excited about the opportunity. And I think that can [indiscernible]. Thank you, Morten. Now we would like to spend time on the experiential Jones and both Cynthia and Morten will guide you through. So I think we'll start with Cynthia. Cynthia and Morten, over to you the guest exponential zone and those of you want to be here and present see in the big screen, you can do that.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#84

Ladies and gentlemen, if you could please proceed to the back of the room. We would like to invite you to share some time in our booths where we'll go through each of the solutions that I talked about in the presentation. Smart metering and the role of IoT in driving business outcomes. We will also be talking around digitization and the impact of investing in that for company growth. And we will also talk about the importance of cybersecurity in an increasingly -- in an environment that's increasingly full of cyber threats that companies must be prepared for. So please come on to the back. We would like to have you here. And we'll also have an opportunity to engage, not only with my fellow teammates from the Enterprise business organization, but as well as the customer who is present in the room. Thank you. So you could please come back. Thank you. Thank you. So in the interest of time, we'll go ahead and get started. We're going to have 3 stops. We'll spend about 8, 10 minutes in each 1 of the booths. As you have questions, I'll take them at the end. Or you have questions, you feel must be answered them. burning questions, we'll be happy to take them. I'd like to invite Mr. Biwott , Mr. Koigi to just say a few comments before we hand over to my colleague, Jerry, who will talk to you more about the opportunity in IoT.

Peter Biwott attendee
#85

Thank you very much Cynthia, a same [indiscernible], country uses about PLN 11 billion when it comes to even water. The country average is around 6%. In our company in Eldoret, we use about 9%. So even if you see this in the water sector is likely to reduce this. i can give you 2 examples where we implemented Smart Meters in Eldoret , we [indiscernible] at water to 5%. And in another area, we reduced to about 7%. So [indiscernible] is going to have the country to meet its goals, especially when it comes to sustainable development [indiscernible] on water and sanitation for all. So our partnership with Safaricom is going to help a lot. I want to add you to get interested in providing solutions in the water sector because there lies a bigger opportunity of -- and selling that we invest in Smart Meters, and ensure that we increase access of water and sanitization by tenants, ensuring that there's no loss [indiscernible] water. So these are some of the opportunities that exist in the country level. We have about a target of 100% coverage by 2030 in terms of what access and about 80% in terms of sanitation. So this, I think the Smart Meters, technologies when we invest in them, we'll be helping the country to meet our [indiscernible] and applications. I would like to add the investor to get interested [indiscernible]. We are a pioneer company -- water company in can we have 1, water service providers. After we invested in the Smart Meters, we received allocations as far as [indiscernible], from the [indiscernible] on an accuse in our engagement, we are looking into due to investing in about 25,000 meters, which are over 20 years old in our systems. [indiscernible] have a 5,000 connections. So we can start and pilot between 5,000. We believe that Eldoret what I will do from [indiscernible] something like [ 30% ] the national average. But I think you mean just more, we can go below [indiscernible] that pass is an advanced country, but I think we can do with the help of Safaricom [indiscernible].

Cynthia Kropac executive
#86

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Biwott. Maybe we take a sweet to Jerry and Jerry perhaps paint a picture, not only about what we're doing in Smart Metering and Smart Water, but what the opportunity in IoT is in helping this country progress its economic agenda.

Jerry Teka executive
#87

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, Cynthia. So the IoT space is it's [indiscernible], which basically means all of us, as provide us at the same level. And from a customer's perspective, which means customers are now beginning to adopt smart technologies, which means now we need to [indiscernible] customer education and work with relevant partners. As a company, we strongly believe we are well positioned to lead this particular space. That is our ambition. That is what we are working towards, and we are going to achieve it. So our strategy focus is around 4 critical things. #1, much cost forecast IoT about solving as a problems, delivering business outcomes for customers. We've heard from the MDs saying that they're dealing with [indiscernible]. We have a strong vertical focus dealing with different sectors of the economy. #2, we have strong technical expertise. Over this financial year, we spent a lot of time they're [indiscernible]. We have IoT who look after devices look a software, and we look at our platforms. And this engineers are in-house engineers working to continue to develop and grow and harness [indiscernible] in this area. So the most important [indiscernible] partnerships. So with the cognize a fast factor a telco, transitioning it to a technology company. So we might luck expertise in different fields. For example, we are learning manufacturing, we are learning health, we are learning water. So for us people to have a very solid go-to-market strategy and address these customer output, then we have partners in different companies, SMEs, large enterprise, that come in with the strong vertical expertise that gives credibility to the solutions that you're working towards. Lastly, is the strength of our network. So we've built a very huge network. The question is what we now do we do with our network [indiscernible] the same set that you participate. So we [indiscernible] narrowband IoT, which is specifically built for the IoT devices. What it does? It helps in battery power, and it helps in coverage. So we built a narrowband IoT network and now that you're doing. So anywhere, in this country, anything that needs to be connected, we're able to connect. Now we started this journey 4 years ago. We have to understand of our network. We started with IoT connectivity. We are now transitioning into end-to-end customer use cases or full stack solution. Why is that important? Moving from the connectivity layer to the end-to-end customer proposition, we'll see an increase in ARPA of up to 18x relative to what you're getting today from connectivity. So this transition then becomes important for us to build and grow a sustainable business. So for us [indiscernible] today, we started with 3 key use cases. So fixed management. We manage our truck assets. We look at driver behaviors from health and safety perceptive and from operational efficiency for different organizations in different companies, also monitor consumption of their sources like fuel. The second is utility management, energy, water and working our way into LPG and gas and our experts will explain what exactly we're doing around water. Third is [indiscernible] for management, any product that is humidity and temperature sensitive, we're able to track in real time today, both in their cold rooms and in transits. So we both do the cold room storage and also the cold room, the cold chain logistics. As you look into the future, I'd say we have a strong vertical focus. Work will begin work in this coming financial year around [indiscernible], agriculture and health we believe are critical verticals for these countries. So yes, switch is great for IoT. We strongly believe we are going to lead this market, but it's our ambition at going to achieve it as that are going to do in.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#88

Thank you. Thank you so much, Jerry. Thank you, Mr. Biwott. Mr. Koigi, we will circle back once we get through in the Q&A period, but leveraging our core asset, which is the network, key partnerships to drive meaningful business outcomes is the entire proposition of what IoT is. We're going to shift gears now and start to talk about integrated propositions. You heard Jerry talking about just pure connectivity alone, just connecting it doesn't drive the outcome. It is the capability that you stack to then create that outcome that becomes keen to enable business growth. So I have Mwananchi Credit, I'll introduce Andres again and just 2 minutes just to give a brief overview on what this technology and integrated propositions have meant to your business. And then we'll hear briefly from [indiscernible] and Susan, who can talk to us more about the technology. There you go.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#89

Hello. Thank you, Cynthia. I think it would be fair to say that Mwananchi exists partially thanks to Safaricom. In 2015, when we looked at the micro finance sector, we saw that it's -- the business is down very much old school. So clients are going to the field. Cash is basically collected with the field. And when seeing all the beautiful technologies, which Safaricom has M-PESA, mobile network coverage USSD, we know that we have to bring all these technologies into micro finance sector and this is basically how Mwananchi was started. And these technologies, they have been essential element to bring us where we are today.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#90

Thank you. Thank you. Evelin, Susan?

Unknown Attendee attendee
#91

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for making time to join us today. So the revolution of technology in Kenya has actually changed the way we think, between the way we interact with each other, the way we communicate with each other, the way we even run our daily lives and even in our home. Therefore, this has also caused a ripple effect in technology, in innovation and growth across different ecosystems. Statistic actually indicate 67% of businesses to be [indiscernible] you can actually grow and actually adopted e-commerce to be able to understand and to be able to serve customers who have often instead to be able to transact and to buy services, food and survive online. Other to that, if you think about the current demographic of Kenya today, 75% of Kenyan demographic today are people who are below 35 years old. They're 35 years old, and that means it's our customers or these are individuals who definitely want services with speed, they want reliability, they want affordability, and they wanted it now as their [indiscernible], but they will not compromise on their quality of the services [indiscernible]. Now this is the reality that currently we're living today. Now I'm proud to see that Safaricom has actually walked the journey with our customers today. So we already have use cases that we have been able to transform businesses as we speak. In line with the government's agenda, to be able to move 5,000 services to the digital platform, Safaricom has already supported the government and is currently supporting the government, and we currently have more than 400 services available on the [indiscernible] platform. Nairobi Security Exchange intrusted us to be able to offer and support their trading platform, which is a critical component for the economy of this country to be able to offer a reliable, secure and stable infrastructure. And we are proud to say that until today, that service is up and running, and we have not experienced any failures. We've had for an to credit. We have about tested and thank you and we are humbled to have you with us today. And they were tested that adopting technology has allowed their other business to be able to see fundamental growth in that business. And this is the effort. And this is the role that we play as at Safaricom. So this is a crucial season for us. It is important for us to continue driving this agenda. Now the truth of the market is most of our customers today are not where they're supposed to be. Most of them are grappling on how they will be able to -- be able to invest in all these things. Technology is changing every day. It comes at a cost. Your customers are changing. How do we help them in this transition. That is the role that we currently play. So businesses today are looking for a technology partner who will be able to offer them the right platform. The right solutions to be able to address the market shifts that are currently happening. They need to stay on top of the game to be able to address the competition that is currently very aggressive in the market today. They want tools and skill sets things that we will be able to help them respond faster as their customers are evolving. So what is our takeout in this session today. Our take out from my session and this session here today is that as investors, as the people who are running the growth of this country. It is imperative for us today to invest in 4 critical things. Number one, we must invest in the right skill set. We must invest in the right tools, and we must invest in the right strategies and the right technologies to be able to address the growth that is already happening right here with us in the future. So I will allow my colleague, Dilip to take us through the possibilities that we know we can be able to offer, thank you?

Dilip Pal executive
#92

So starting the enterprise of tomorrow, then we must not just connect them we need to secure them. We need to enable them and we need to transform them, right? So if we do these 4 things, then the potential for enterprise, Safaricom business, to be clear, is that we can be the leading integrated managed services provider in the region, and that's a real possibility and [indiscernible]. [indiscernible] of our Kenyan base today, it's going alternate buy the products and services. By all means that we are already at the forefront of this evolution. Why? Because we have the largest network, we have the most of the technologies in place to support our customers, not just connect to the applications that they're backing on the cloud, but to also communicate and to run the transactions that they need to run. What does this mean for the enterprise customer? It means that they have to make a shift from the brick and motor and let the customer at the point of where it's convenience and fast and its relevant for them. So what's the role for Safaricom business at this place? It means that we as at Safaricom business, these are customers have the absolute duty and responsibility to transition them and do so securely. You might have where they might believe that we have the right people to secure them even as we make these transactions given the fact that we've already enabled them to reach the global market. Today, we are able to secure 2,000 transactions as second on M-PESA, and that's proof enough for any customer that we have the competencies to actually provide security even as they do this business. And my colleagues down the line in the next group will be able to give you more about the cybersecurity space and what you chose and hits you're paying industries. But just to let a little into some of the things that my colleagues talked about, about enabling the -- about the fact that the enterprise customer has an end user who's very designing, who need convenience. And to be honest, if you look at ourselves today, if you look at what our [indiscernible] today, you will go to alternative A. And if you click, it doesn't work in a split second, you move to alternative B. And your expectation is within 2 clicks, you should be able to know where the driver is, when they're coming, how much it is all of that as a transaction.That's the kind of pressure that the enterprise customer is going under. So does that mean that we just provide them with the technology that they need? No. As Susan had expressed, they need an IT adviser, they need somebody that will be able to work in the channel to see what is the mix of solutions that is required, just like what credit has porting here? What is the mix, the right mix of solution and customize not so that the enterprise customer then is able to try and have a value system that is so well oiled, that is able to provide the convenience that the end user is looking for. So we, as Safaricom business invest in the right talent pool that has the breadth and the depth to be able to provide this combination of solutions that is required for the enterprise customer. Having enabled these customers, the ripple effect of that is that then the ecosystem around which the enterprise customer is living needs to be transformed. And I'll just give a simple example for that. If you make one business cashless, and cashless here doesn't mean just providing them with a [indiscernible], but to integrate touch to their critical systems, it means the suppliers of these organizations, then have to change behavior and adopt the cashless system as well. It also means that the enterprise customer, the end user has to adopt the cashless system as well. So you have to build an ecosystem and build solutions around the ecosystem. The -- what that means for enterprise business is that we need to invest in robust platforms but then can provide solutions in different mixes of technologies for different ecosystems and then we'll be able to deliver the real value to the end user and the real value to the enterprise customers. So they conclude to have this one analogy. The Chinese bamboo takes 5 years underground, being watered, being cared for, but the minute it grows off the ground, it grows 24 millimeters in a day. This is where we are at. This is why enterprise customers are at, and this is where we need to be. The future is now. Thank you.

Unknown Executive executive
#93

Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you very much. You must connect securely connect and then we enable and empower businesses for growth. Last but not least, we're going to talk about cybersecurity. We talked about the growing threat that this is and the imperativeness for managing the health of a company's environment in terms of the threats that they are susceptible to. So I will seek to [indiscernible] for 2 minutes, just to give us a quick perspective on the impact of security through a financial institution. And then Peter will then take away with Steve to give you a few comments.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#94

Thank you very much. As I've been said earlier, the Acosta partnership with Safaricom in 2018. When there was so much cybersecurity hacking and since that time, down the line, we have never experienced any attack. Well there are attempts, as you can see, as I've been said, but one of the things that we really have to appreciate is that Safaricom gives you the fast touch in the sense that they are always there with you. We do annual trainings to our staff where they move. We have over -- we have 3 branches and every staff is trained on cyber security awareness. Besides that, they also do the audit, our system audit and give advice where the weakness is, which area we needed to adjust, and that has really helped us. And that has what has made us to be -- because every investor, as you are aware, will always be safe, where his money is safe but that I can guarantee. [indiscernible] is the best because of the services we get. I also have to commend their staff, especially because the way they have a customer [indiscernible]. That means they interact with us every time down from our customer care officer that is Mr. [indiscernible] to the managers there heavily and they went to the chief officer who even visited us last year in December, simply to come and see and find out what is really happening on the ground. And now that the technology is growing very much and growing very fast. And it's a threat to the businesses that are coming, it is really important that you invest in cyber security because without that, you will be investing, but you will not be getting the returns. It's like having water on a vaporated container. So the more you put water in the more water comes out. But with cybersecurity with threats that have been contained, you will be able to then get more customers to even get more investments and be able to move forward. And so we have seen it, it is an experience and now especially the financial services, the saco sector. You remember now that even what the government is doing as per the hustler fund. Quite a number of people will now be moving to the savings, which they are trying to promote, all this, if the security system is not put in place, then all the investments must go to fit. But so the best and the best partner in that is Safaricom. We have tested. We are with them, and we have seen they are moving so well. So everybody who wants to invest, who wants to get the best security system, we have tried them outside there. And we know you might invest because there are a lot of security systems, there are software that you will buy. But remember, technology keeps on changing every now and then. So today, this year, another one will come in the system, you go buy it, you invest in it, next year or even 6 years down the line, another one comes. So the best for you is to have professionals that we'll be able to take you through and be able to take care of your system. And when it comes, of course, I can assure you the costs are very minimum. And even if they are a bit increase, you can sit down with them. The CEO is here, and they are able to listen to you. Thank you.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#95

Thank you. My name is Boniface Gitonga Mungania from Mani Securities Services. What is Mani security services is simply cybersecurity as a service. You're a business, you have grown from 50 employees to 500 employees. You have 100 customers, you're going to 1,000 customers. We come in and give you a secure internet link within intense your network by doing cybersecurity audits, by doing some security assessment and awareness to your people. And we also monitor for threats that Cynthia had mentioned in her presentation, where we are able to monitor the threats, we are able to prevent them and we will report on real-time escalations, daily reports, monthly reports and quarterly reports to show your company risk portion. In terms of how do we do this as a our customers, they are able to procure their service through on demand. They're also to consume it when consuming other service and pay as you go. They're also able to purchase upfront by investing on a huge CapEx. And going forward, it's a minimal cost to whom do we give this service, as Cynthia had mentioned in her presentation, it targets the micro sector, the small, medium, large enterprises, the public and also wholesale. In the M-PESA ecosystem, we have over 300,000 small medium enterprises and over 50,000 large enterprises and public. All this, they have concentrated and put their efforts in building and growing their business for getting security, and that is where in partnership with surface for many security, we come in and give them the service. What is the value? We have structured managed security services over 4 years, and we have no noticed and got a 100% return year-on-year growth in revenue and also in our customer base. With our Head of Department here, we have [indiscernible] direct team that interacts with our customers and 65 cybersecurity professionals who are supporting over 250 customers and scaling by day. What is our strategy as managed security services. Number one is profitability. We want to be the market leader in offering managed security services and having a revenue of KES 4 billion, which is a fraction of what we presented in terms of cyber budget and spend of KES 8.2 trillion. And therefore, we look to cover our strategy and my colleagues, Steve will continue.

Stephen Chege executive
#96

Thank you so much, Boniface. I just speak about some of the solutions on how we get to do this. One is before we get to give these solutions to our customers, need to come in and as [indiscernible] ecosystem show the guest that are there and then help you to build a cybersecurity road map that will get embedded in a cybersecurity strategy. So how we do that is do assessment, run assessment on your ecosystem provide your reports on what you need to start -- where you need to platform and what you need to implement. Above that beyond -- above and beyond that, we also provide cybersecurity training and awareness. This will help us get to also tighten and strengthen the weakest link, which most of the time is the staff, it is the people who are interacting the technology. It is very important for us to understand how and what is the impact of this technology that we are embracing, this technology that is empowering our business and what are the risks when you're getting to have this technology and power some of the solutions and services we are providing. Beyond the sides that we provide as a business, we also embed and bundle them with cybersecurity solutions when we say about security solutions. With the connectivity solutions for Internet, e-mail services and hosting and for services that we have at Safaricom ensure that the cybersecurity platform is well done. [indiscernible] security, even for the services that the business are consuming from Safaricom. Within our own team, we ensure that each and every service a customized [indiscernible] from Safaricom is well secured and well protected. Some of -- one other product that we have is -- that prevent -- which helps in implementing these solutions. After giving an assessment of where the gaps are, we get to also provide prevention on those control -- providing controls and that's why we have a 24-hour monitoring and visibility. So that's what that shows what incidents coming, the speed to response and also help you in incident management. Also allow my colleague, [ Jatin ], to just touch on the people that are getting to help and deploy these services.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#97

Okay. In terms of people who are able to manage services as managed cybersecurity services. We have our staff who are highly skilled and are able to effectively give the proper rights to our customers in terms of creating awareness to their staff as well as being able to actively monitor the incorporated solutions we have within our product. So we've also collaborated with our local and international partners who are able to give less to grow our portfolio in terms of all the cybersecurity solutions we offer. And for our technology, it's currently hosted on a stable platform, which offers reliability and availability 24/7 as well as within corporate innovation, which is key to help us reduce on our operation costs and improve how we deliver our services. So [indiscernible] will touch on -- what is I ask from you today?

Unknown Executive executive
#98

Our ask from me today is to socialize managed security services with your network, whether it through the business meetings you have in hotels through your internet profile to bring them and consume our services at Safaricom.

Dilip Pal executive
#99

Thank you. First, hopefully, you've got a taste of what the new growth areas look like in Safaricom, integrated propositions, secure connection be the underpinning and the business outcomes that can be derived in these -- as a result of these investments. I thank you very much. I just wanted to make one final note. Isn't it amazing to see all these women and technology up here. Right about that. I will now hand over to Martin, who will go over the technology experiential boots. Thank you, and we'll be available for questions throughout the day. Thank you so much.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#100

Thank you, [indiscernible]. So the first thing we'll talk about is our little baby that you can see up here with is our solar program. Paul here, he's leading our data center and our energy program, and he will take us a little bit through how it works and what are the benefits we're seeing for it. So over to you, Paul.

Unknown Executive executive
#101

My name is Paul [indiscernible] and I'm in data center and energy management. So what you showcasing here is a very aggressive program on energy modernization and energy efficiency. So last year, for about 12 months now, we've been able to execute about 1,400 solar sites across the network. And also that includes modernizing our network with lithium-ion batteries and smart rectifiers. So typically, when you work into normal supply from site now, you try and find such a structure which you have solar. This is over and above the normal utility and the most undesirable generator. So in the same modernization, we have rectifier, this is an outdoor rectifier that actually charges the batteries, and it has the intelligence to only charge the batteries using solar. So the configuration that we have is that we never charge these batteries, which are lithium-ion [indiscernible]. Lithium has an advantage over the previously used lead acid that you can actually extract 80% of the stored energy. So the biggest impact that we've seen in this and is that from last year, we've been able to save about 860 tonnes of carbon because of avoidance of banning diesel. And that actually speaks into our net 0 carbon agenda. We've also been able to create jobs directly through our partners. We've had about 500 jobs in [indiscernible] 1000. What we've done in the training also is to actually bring in a more concept about health and safety because if we recruited this project without any incident, actually 0 harm. This also has an impact every other month in our network. We have about 9 million customers that are impacted the report related incidences. So when you modernize and put in solar, you actually are almost not likely to have a power outage, and we have seen a 0.5% to network availability. That also speaks to our customer delivery and that was to improve the NPS. And then finally, obviously, the SDG goals that we are true to meet. Maybe you can go live to our solar sites that we have more than 8. This is a solar site that is in Eastern region. So what you have here is the blue line represents the load of the side, that's how much energy it's drawing. So through the night, we see we have a deep grid. The batch was actually sustaining it. and very early in the morning of around 7, the grid kicked in before Solar was able to run. And the intelligence of the rectifies shows the grid only kicks in for maybe an hour or less. And when solar is efficient, we drop the grid and actually can run the whole day on solar, the light grid is actually solar as well as charging the batteries and carrying the load and actually through the whole day and achieving when the site is actually, you probably can have a live mission in terms of now. This was yesterday. Maybe we can go today. Yes. So yes -- so today, which is on 15. We see, again, the site is running on battery through the night. And today, we were able not to call the activities, so meaning you sit [indiscernible] and then the solar is charging the battery. The ambition we have here is actually to go off-grid. It's not just getting up the generator, but ambition is actually to go off-grid. I'd like to show one more site. This site is in a region in coast, this borders with Somalia it's the Boni forest. It's very insecure. And we have a number of terrorist attacks on our towers. So what you do here is that this place was entirely on generator. And because you have enough space, you've been able to do 100% solar. And again, you can see through the night, we were 100% on battery and the sun is able to kick in and actually carry the load. So the mission we have is actually become is to go 100% off grid as we -- but okay, I think you have actually had a substantial close on the generators because the intention is to have 20% of our site to roughly be green. Thank you.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#102

Thank you, Paul. So this is just one thing. We're also having a number of initiatives to manage our energy. So for example, during the night, we shot parts of the site down because there's fewer users on it. And we're also seeing with what's happening globally that all our vendors are now very, very focused on getting out with more energy-efficient solutions. So thank you, Paul. Let's move on to the next one here. This is a new system, we just developed and put in place. And it's about getting more insight to both our customers real time customer experience and when they interact with Safaricom, the quality of experience. But as we will see here, there's a number of data points now we can use to give an even more personalized experience. And we'll talk about that after this presentation. So Faith, over to you.

Unknown Executive executive
#103

Thank you, Martin. Hi, everyone. My name is Faith, from technology. I'll be taking you through the Smart care solution which is a solution that gives visibility and we have recent visibility to the customer and service experience. And today, I'll be focusing on the experience of one. So previously, we have focused on meter performance as opposed to the customer experience. And I think I would have customer calling customer care, and we don't have to answer for many questions for us to be able to have an idea of exactly the experience they are going through. So with the Smart care solution, they would go customer care in -- as one view. We are about to sell exactly the pain of experience they're going through for data service, SMS, voice and even on the fixed home. So on the screen, I have one of our customers, and I'll be looking at their data service for the sake of this presentation. You see at a glance, I'm going to see details of somebody's -- this customer, the device they are using, the capabilities of their device, what exactly they are doing on [indiscernible]. So if you focus at the top left, you can see if there is any issue that this customer would have in as a [indiscernible] or be able to tell, that's actually from this category, it will be [indiscernible] or rent, depending on the kind of degradation of the experiencing. So from Atlante, I'm going to tell that kind of experience. And I'll even get a suggestion on how to result some of the issues. This, we are enable in the frontline -- the frontline agents who receive calls directly from customers. So that to proactively receive -- proactively resolve customer issues on the flash [indiscernible] to call them back. I think the [indiscernible] will actually call you back so that they can go and say same information about whatever challenge they are having. So if you look at the overall policy, I'm about to see that for this [indiscernible], they're actually having a good experience for data services, for web browsing, for streaming, the experience is okay. On the right, I'm most able to see the kind of applications that they interacting with and the experience that they are having. If say, this customer had a very good experience on every other team except Facebook, then Facebook will have an alarm. If you -- on the next view on the historical view, I'm not going to get used analysis for this customer to see the times that they are very silent on our network and they tend to let the active on the network. And maybe just to highlight that this is important because if we are doing our personalized product for this customer, they would want to push this product to them at the time of the day when they are stuck. If you scroll further down, this is just a geographical representation of the sites that I have in this customer. If say that the experience of the customer be graded, and we note the site that is [indiscernible] them whatever -- the one was in the issue, then we'll have an anemometer and now we'll be able to drill down and resolve the issue. So beyond just the customer experience of our customers, we are so able to get a lot of insights about our customers. And what we aim to do is to make data-driven decisions would want to customize the products to a customer based on their trends, based on their behavior. For example, you look at this customer. If I was to sort whatever data I have to discuss models on the duration, they spend on the different applications. Then I can clearly see that this customer is very heavy on Facebook, we're browsing and teams, metastases spares. So if the business was to customize the product for this customer, it was created based on the applications that the access, then Facebook will actually be a good application product to push to this customer. So Smart care really has been an enabler and it's been an enabler for us to deliver a superior customer experience, which is part of our mission. And so with all this data, we invest is to be the big data platform. So a big data platform able to model products based on this customer. They to model the consumer behavior, the consumer trend. So that we'll be able to push to them products that are very relevant to them in near real time.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#104

Thank you, Fred. So as I said, these are there some data points. We know about our customers. And all this is fed into our bigger big data platform. So we'll go and visit Sharath, who runs our Big Data team.

Unknown Executive executive
#105

Thanks very much, Martin. It's our bit data to welcome the investor community in our group. And allow me [indiscernible] to just keep our focus on the big screen for 90 seconds intro on what we do for Safaricom as a Big Data team. [Presentation]

Unknown Executive executive
#106

Thank you. Thank you very much. We will now going to take you through one use case that we are very much passionate about. And why we passed about it is because of what it does to our customers. We've got a network and we need to collect that customer. So this one particular use case, it will show a case now using big data to make sure that each and every customer who needs to be connected, who needs to enable to do so at an affordable price, but the price that is profitable to the organization. What you also see is the conversion rate because this offers are so catalyzed. They look at where you at a point in time, what resources you need based on your usual trends and we're able to find the right price points, the right price and big-sized resource that you're going to need. So my colleague is going to take you through at the back end, what is really happening and you show you through real time, how we're able to actually give those presentations to customers in during the over 40% conversion rate in this office. Over to you.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#107

So we've with all the technology and capability of building all these offers that we have. We have a very great opportunity to help the customer or to give the customer the right contextual and customized offer at any given time. So you can think of it as the moment a customer has no balance as an example, and they cannot grow us because they have low balance. We are -- at that very given point, we're able to give them the correct offer say, they're actually looking for without them going into a menu and start looking for that product offer. And how that happens is with the capabilities again that we have systems like Smart Care and Customer 360, we're able -- we collect 5000-plus data points. And we analyze this and look at trends of the customers, and we use machine learning. What basically, machine learning does is instead of doing it the traditional where you have to go through an Excel and do things manually. We have automated algorithms that we build. And as you can look at this, all these samples of offers and each and every offer has a model. So in this use case, we have close to 43 models that are running live and this is a real-time instance of what is happening. So if you look at it at this very moment as we speak, this -- we've [indiscernible] around 251 offers to the customers and the ones that they bought around 152. We monitor every -- in real time and at every given point.

Unknown Executive executive
#108

Awesome. Why is this powerful is that, like I said, every single customer deserves to be protected to our network. And this particular use case focuses on those customers who cannot afford bigger bundles, but needs to stay connected. As you can see, some of them is for 24 hours -- an hour. But at the back end, the model enables us to actually ensure that even in the way that you offer them, we don't affect negatively our network nor do we offer a complete discount and therefore diluting our base. Now the next one use case is actually a very interesting one. Now in the spirit of digital in facility, our customers people they engage with us. They always have queries. They always have things they need to ask us about the sales that we provide to them. We feel the team has built to be a very interesting language model that not only serves people who can speak English, but serves who can speak Swahili in [indiscernible]. And we went to as one of our investors actually to help us test this model and we are vulnerable, right? We believe that the model will work. And therefore, we're going to do that test. You're going to give us a query that you will put it on here, and you'll see how we're enabling our chat bot to be that intuitive and able to actually respond to customers across the language spectrum. You can come to my friend.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#109

[Foreign Language]

Unknown Attendee attendee
#110

That's quite a test, okay? Let's see what -- how intuitive this incredible language model is in making sure that.

Unknown Executive executive
#111

That's an [indiscernible] problem -- and you can see that's an [indiscernible] problem. And you can see the confidence is very, very high, meaning it really understand. So I don't know if anyone else -- I speak a little bit of Sheng, so I'll put.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#112

So I think for those who could not hear [indiscernible]. Based on what he said, the model can pick up there. This is an impact reversal query and predicting that at 95% accuracy. So that's how powerful now you're able in zuri to actually have intuitive conversation and not guessing what the customer is trying to ask for.

Unknown Executive executive
#113

Again, another [indiscernible] query, but this is [indiscernible]. So this basically means I send money to the wrong person. That's what you said. So I just wanted to flow with that. But in Sheng. [Foreign Language]. So most words are changed in a pure English, pure Swahili or pure Sheng like one language. But what we've done here is we will introduce some complexity to make the model much lingual. So whatever language you speak -- And the reason why we go in Sheng, English or Swahili is because those are the 3 major languages that our customers speak. So for inclusivity, we want to make sure if a customer speak Sheng, English or Swahili they're able to [indiscernible] perfectly.

Unknown Attendee attendee
#114

Thanks very much, Gian for that. You talked about in [indiscernible], but it's also about us running a very lean business. So here, we were able to leverage the power of technology and AI to actually serve a customer and elevate speed. Thank you very much. We invite you for more questions or if you wish, after lunch, but thanks for the opportunity to share with you what we do. If you have any questions, you can free to ask them. Thank you.

Dilip Pal executive
#115

Thank you very much, Morten and Cynthia and your teams. I say thank, I would expect something. Very good. So just a few housekeeping rules. We will have a lunch break now this is the second part of our morning presentation, which now concluded. We'll have a lunch break, and we all come back here at 1:55 East Africa time. 1:55 East Africa time. And I also want to announce that after the last presentation and our Q&A session, as we proceed to the speed networking place, we'll have a group photograph. Please, please make yourself available and that photograph of for rail with us outside this room here on the field. Now just one important thing that I didn't want to -- I don't want to miss. We haven't spoken a lot about this area. If you see this, there are people who are putting a lot of efforts in telling the stories. And we did not have a presentation from them. But I know just to give you a clue, these 3 part, these 3 boots actually contribute almost 50% of our business today, yes. So please make yourself available. They're available for the similar conversations that you had for the live patients and the demonstration that we have seen, I think you'd also get inspiration because mobile devices are our growth engine, fixed is our growth engine and voice is still a very important franchise in our business today. So with that, please proceed for the lunch and enjoy your lunch. I know that same place. that's outside this room, yes, if we go to the same place. We come back here for 1:55 chat. [Break]

Dilip Pal executive
#116

Welcome back. We're about to start our afternoon session. And as we mentioned before, we will have a Q&A of 15 minutes. This would be -- the questions would be for Cynthia and Morten. I know some of you had questions even on the experiential zone. So I like Cynthia and Morten to come on stage. And to help and facilitate this Q&A, I would like my colleague, Caroline to assist me. Over to you, Caroline.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#117

Thank you very much, Philip. I trust we all have the energy to now so their own for the afternoon. So past 15 minutes of Q&A, and we start now. I'll start with you, Cynthia. Great presentation showcasing the enterprise and the opportunity there in. And we do have a question from [ Sila ] of EFG Hames, and he says, how would you measure the scale of opportunity in IoT?

Cynthia Kropac executive
#118

Thank you for that question. IoT, remember, we talked about it in the presentation. It's about how you make machines smarter and then machines produce outputs than you have business outcomes. So IoT really is best measured in the business outcomes. You saw in the use case that we talked about today on smart water metering, just being able to balanced water that is where it's produced and where it's distributed and making sure that there's no loss of water resources through fraudulent means saves that industry KES 11 billion a year, KES 11 billion a year. So that's just one use case in smart metering of water. We can have smart metering of electricity in that space in arena of meters. Then you think about the use cases in agriculture, in machinery, in manufacturing where machines can be more optimized. I have a customer in EBU, who owns a large fleet of long-haul trucks and simply putting IoT solutions in this -- in these trucks, not only improved the efficiency of the drivers and how they're driving more safely, avoiding accidents, operating the machinery effectively. It reduced the consumption of fuel by 30%, 40%. And that is how IoT is measured. An analyst, I think it's McKinsey has a report out. They estimate the IoT industry is about an $8.5 billion -- KES 8.5 million, excuse me on that, in this country alone. And just in that one use case of smart metering on water, you see a savings of KES 11 billion, now start to see the additive value of all these other use cases. And you see this is a really strong opportunity measured in billions in this country.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#119

I'll ask you a second question, and then I'll go to Morten and we'll see how it pans out. Second question from [ Madi ] on HSBC. On Enterprise business, what's the revenue concentration from key customers, [indiscernible], what's the percentage of revenues coming from say, the top 20 customers? If you could give some indication.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#120

Thank you, [ Madi ], for that question. in enterprise space, it's the tail of the different bookings of business sizes. The business in terms of volume is concentrated in terms of numbers on the low end of the market, micro small business. And that's measured in the millions. It's estimated there about 7.5 million small and micro businesses in the country. If you go to the high end, large enterprise. And let me add on medium enterprise, you saw the example of water credit here today. That's an example of a medium enterprise. Then you have about 20,000 or so of those businesses. If I look at our revenues in enterprise business, the top 100 customers make up about 50% of the revenue. So majority of the revenue coming in from a much smaller number concentrated in large enterprise, but the volume of business growth is really coming from small and micro businesses, and that's where we see the momentum growth in the next 2 to 5 years.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#121

Thank you. Thank you very much, Cynthia. Martin, a very enlightening presentation there on network and the power technology. And so quite a number of questions coming through for you, Morten. I will start with the first one from Rohit of Citi, Rohit Modi on tower portfolio, what kind of revenue or cost savings you see from tower sharing and what is tenancy ratio? Do you see any scope of monetization of towers in the future?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#122

That's exactly a question for my colleague standing next to me because Cynthia runs the wholesale business, and we are already sharing some of our towers.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#123

Yes. I think what I would say on that is, you heard Peter say it's an opportunity to bring costs down. So driving affordable solutions is not a Safaricom only question. That's a question to every network provider here. And for us to replicate our towers and our infrastructure very tall task, probably one of the more capital-intensive investments a network operator can make a opportunity to share in our infrastructure. We engage in those conversations. We'll continue to engage in those conversations. And that has the residual benefit of bringing costs down for the consumer.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#124

Very good. Thank you Yes. I'll combine 2 questions, Morten, with respect to the savings we are getting from a solar perspective. So from Madi, how much of the network is powered by diesel gensets and electric -- electricity grid, battery solar backups? And what are the targets for the next 5 years? Let me combine that with another question, though, anonymous, but I'll take it, which sort of savings do you have with solar as opposed to using the generators and this is considering the initial layout costs.

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#125

Okay. So before we started the solar program, we had around 83% of our energy production from the grid and 17% from diesel. Of course, it varies a lot, some sites will have almost 100%, we have some sites that's not connected to grid, so it ran 100% on diesel, but that's the average numbers. If you look at the 1,400 sites we've done until now, 22% of the production comes from solar. Diesel is down to 6% on these sites, and the remaining part is still from the grid. So we've seen a big shift there. The other perspective, of course, is diesel is roughly 3.5x more expensive than the grid cost to produce the same to keep a side. So that big percentage from 17% to 6% on the generators, actually on 25% of sites, we removed the generators completely. And we're sort of in the learning phase. I mean I think we can do even more. So that's sort of -- roughly the numbers we're looking at. On the potential of solar, if you say we roughly have 6,000 macro sites, we've done the 1,400, 3,000, you can say, are readily available. We can move solar in and another 1,500 will require some kind of modernization so that's the kind of potential we're looking into over the coming years.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#126

Another one here from Mario HSBC. By 2025, what percentage of traffic will be on 2G versus 3G versus 4G versus 5G compared to now? And when should we see as reframing as it well of spectrum from 2G, 3G to 4G, 5G.

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#127

Yes. So today, 80% of our traffic is 4G. And you can say all or more or less all our investments going in because that's where the growth. If you remember what I showed here, the 4G devices going on 3G sites actually slightly going down. So we're investing for 4G today and 80%, and that percentage is just going to grow exactly how much 5G is going to be, I think, time will tell. Obviously, I think a key factor we will need to see the handset prices come down before we see some volume uptake we can talk about 5G starting to take -- overtake 4G. But that's going to take some years. As Peter talked about, the key issue we would like to support making 4G more affordable in the country. When it comes to refarming, we're already doing that as 3G traffic is declining, 2G traffic has -- is going down. Of course, we already have time, we can be free up 2G and 3G to the spectrum and we put ON 4G. So that's that a step every operator takes until the day they shutdown 2G and 3G. But we still have millions of customers on both technologies.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#128

Okay. Another question from Sea VGT Morten. What other market indicators informed the pace of 5G rollout for Safaricom?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#129

I think a key thing here is to say, following our customers is the cost of devices, both when it comes to the smartphone segment, but also other own devices or even potential IoT devices here. As Peter says, we're trying to come out with a $50 4G phone and we are seeing the 5G prices are a way off for that. But as for any cycle here, over the coming years, I'm sure we're going to see KES 20,000 5G devices, and then we will see an update. But I think that's going to be a big indicator. But obviously, we obviously have the ambition that we're also going to be leading in 5G.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#130

Thanks, Morten. Let me move over to Cynthia. So Cynthia, I think you've created a lot of excitement in the opportunity that you have positioned for enterprise. [indiscernible] of [indiscernible] is asking, how big is the total revenue opportunity for Safaricom in the enterprise space -- like I want you to paint a picture on how that looks like.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#131

I've spent the last 35 years in the States and the last word I learned it's going to be huge. But seriously, you heard me talk about the opportunity -- the explosion in infrastructure as the population takes more and more to the Internet. That means there's going to have to be more investment in cloud for storage and operating businesses. There's going to have to be more investments in cybersecurity. You heard that emphasized over and over in our dialogue and discussion today. If you look at cloud penetration in business, it's less than 10% in the country. If you look at security, even less penetrated than that. So the opportunity for us as a business organization is looking to see how we can double and triple our business in the next 2 or more years as we drive awareness into the market as these solutions become more pervasive and sticky as businesses realize the importance of security and have to upgrade their infrastructure to support the exploding growth in use of data and management of their data securely and effectively.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#132

Thank you, Cynthia. So the last question to you, Morten. This is from [ Madi ] of HSBC. How do you allocate costs to M-PESA, especially for network operations? And what proportion is allocated to M-PESA similarly for CapEx is the network CapEx related to M-PESA? Just trying to get what that could be?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#133

Okay. Yes. So without a network, it wouldn't be an M-PESA, as we know, but if you look at how much traffic M-PESA generates of our network, of course, it's small, we do transactions like you do bank transactions or whatever transaction do in M-PESA. So it doesn't really drive the investment. We see a double benefit in Safaricom when we do expand our [indiscernible]. We do it both on the GSM part, but we also do in the M-PESA side of the business here. So you can say, we don't build a network or it doesn't drive the network investment of our network that wouldn't be any M-PESA. How we allocate things, that is a question from my dear colleague Dilip over here. Someday how we allocate CapEx. But of course, I think it's important versus network investment and M-PESA. There's different drivers on how you -- things like commission and so on. So it's not a comparable ratio, I would say.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#134

Thank you very much, Morten. Thank you very much. Cynthia that's it for the questions we have for the 2 presenters. Again, I'll repeat, keep posting your questions. There are many others that are there, but specific not to the [indiscernible] to other present entries and we'll have that session coming up before we leave after the session actually coming after this Q&A session. We have a Q&A session for an hour, and we'll address all your questions. So keeping posting us. I think for now, that's what we have. We save the minute back to you. And Dilip, take it over from here. Thank you.

Dilip Pal executive
#135

Thank you. Thank you, Caroline. And thank you, Morten and Cynthia. I think one area I just wanted to highlight. Those of you have not -- and there's a question around enterprise opportunity growth. I think you have seen the first slide of Cynthia. See if it has escaped your attention, this business was growing 27% CAGR, cumulative average growth rate. And this is in the backdrop of overall business we are growing anything between 5% to 6%. So just remember that it's still small, but it has a huge opportunity of growth. And I know, Maddy, you have a lot of questions around M-PESA and those of -- Maddy, I take this opportunity of letting the rest of the team know, that Maddy did some studies 10 years back, which although I'm still waiting for him to share that with me, and he confirms that what he has anticipated for -- nobody believed in future of M-PESA at that time 10 years back. He said his projection thinks that -- he has changed the company after that. Now he's back in this field. And he's saying what he sees now is what he has seen 10 years back. So those of you who still think -- were still believing in that what you're talking about the future, just believe in the future. That's what I want to just to -- thank you, Maddy, for all your I think fantastic questions. Now the last presentation for the day today and probably the most important one in a sense that -- that the growth, the presentations that you have seen throughout the day today in the morning today, it's all about the growth. And Ethiopia will become one of the important part of our growth journey as we go along in the future. And Peter mentioned, again, I'm reminding you what he mentioned in his speech, 10 to 12 years now, Ethiopia, could be the one what is Kenya today. So with that, I welcome Anwar, as he comes up, we'll now play a short video on Ethiopia. [Presentation]

Anwar Soussa executive
#136

I've seen that video maybe like 100 times and I still get butterflies in my tummy every time I see it. It's not often that a leader gets the opportunity to do something they truly love. And this for myself and for the team that's here and for everyone that's part of this project is truly a labor of love. So I'd like to share with you what we've been doing, but also just to set things in terms of context. Imagine someone gives you a call and says, listen, we're going to build a business. This business is going to be in Ethiopia. Gosh, okay, this starts to become interesting. This business will be the size of Safaricom Kenya in about 10 years' time. We're going to be building thousands of sites a year. We're going to be putting in the most modern network probably built ever anywhere in place. You're going to be putting a team of roughly 200 experts, all of which are experienced probably the best from which each organization they come from, whether it's Safaricom PLC, Vodacom, Sumitomo and of course, some others that we had to source specific talents for and this is the beginning of your journey. Thank you. So this is where we start our presentation. What I'd like please for you to think about is as we -- as I go through the presentation, from my perspective, there's about 4 things that will define our success. The quality of our network, our people, our compliance, of course, and our sales and distribution. All 4 are extremely important, but please keep them in mind as I go through this presentation because with any of those things missing, they're like clogs in a wheel, everything will fall apart. So here we go. Not working. Sorry. Okay, here we go. Sorry. So in terms of Ethiopia at a glance, from this slide, please, I just want you to take in 2 things that are most important. Firstly, the size of the GDP, it's about $110 million. This is expected to jump up significantly next year and over the coming years. There are certain things that happened on the political stage, peace in the north, as peace comes, donors are coming back, world institutions are coming back, money is starting to trickle back into the economy. For 2 years, Ethiopia was a bit on the outside and now as peace comes, it's being fully reintegrated into the global system, and we're already seeing things that are moving forward. Also in terms of the country, it's a fast country, and it's a complicated and interesting country. So from 100-plus local languages -- but we operate in 5 different languages within our business on a day-to-day basis and in terms of our communication as well. Importantly, there's 2 cities that are independent almost. So there's Addis Ababa; and there's a place called, Dire Dawa in the East, and they operate on their own. They're cities. Those are the melting pots, everything else is very ethnic-based. Population, 120 million people. The opportunity is massive. So 120 million people, roughly 50% of that is target market. So we're looking at roughly 63 million people who are our opportunity. It's -- the distribution of people in Ethiopia is a little bit different. It's not massively congregated in the cities. Most of the people are in the urban environments. Addis is around 40% to 50% of the revenue but generally speaking, the people are on the outskirts, they're in the rural areas of the country. Only 35% are financially included, which speaks to the extent of the opportunity when it comes to M-PESA. GDP. So GDP was going very strong until the conflict started in the north. People started withdrawing a little bit. Now that the conflict is -- as I said earlier, now that the conflict is running out. It's pretty much finished. Soldiers are withdrawing, business is going back to normal, even Mekelle, which was the heat -- which was the seat of the problem. This has started to normalize with the bank -- with banks reopening and Telco services also resuming. The exchange rate is under pressure, like in most countries now. So you have a divergence between the real exchange rates and of course, the ones in the parallel market. Inflation is high at 35%, but the government is doing everything it can in order to bring that thing -- bring it down. Of course, much of that is driven by the Ukraine crisis and the fact that commodities are much more expensive for them to import. On the regulatory side, Ethio Telecom, if there we saw the privatization notice, 45% is going on sale. We have a potential second entrant that's coming through. Now in regard to the second entrant, when I want -- what I'd like you please to think about is that we don't expect the second entrant right now from a business perspective. We'd love to see one, of course, because a country as massive as Ethiopia requires a lot of investments. So you need fibercos, you need towercos, you need a lot of enabling elements, which if you share the costs, would work out so much better for everyone involved. However, the issue with that, of course, on the other flip side of that is that we know that some of the competitors or some of our competitors -- or future competitors also don't want to come into a place where we have been as in Vodafamily, Safaricom especially have come in and have put up as many sites that we put up using the newest technology and already have a distribution system in place. It really puts them on the back foot, and that kind of discourages some of the players that we have spoken to. Financial liberalization. That is much -- very much on the cards. As you guys know, December, we received -- the market opened, then we received noticed that we are -- that basically, the director has changed and that we could enter the mobile financial services space. We're also hearing that banks are coming in. So there's a lot of Kenyan Banks and South African banks that are interested. We're meeting with many of them, including some American buys. As I said earlier, thankfully, the situation up North is calming down and peace is coming back. How we see the business? So this is our mission, transforming lives, very much like our mother company, Safaricom PLC. But these are the foundational pillars. So the fastest data network. What we're seeing now in early days, we've been open for business just for 4 months, but the main crux of -- or the main thrust of people coming are for data. We have a fantastic data network. I'll get into the network in a little bit, but data first, M-PESA is going to be huge. M-PESA is going to be massive in a country with 120 million people. The opportunity is unparalleled. So [indiscernible] fantastic network with M-PESA, and there's almost no limit. This, of course, put together with a superior customer experience, the systems are good. There shouldn't be failures. There's no legacy anywhere on the network. So there should be less cracks for people to fall through. And we have already put in a -- we've already invited an international partner, call center provider called iSON into the country with us. We have roughly 700 people in the call center today. And of course, this brings a new level of excellence in terms of how customers are treated into the country. Of course, we're not saying anything in terms of previous experience, but what we're bringing in now is really world-class, nothing but the best. And of course, again, social contract on the other side of that, I was almost -- I was very impressed when I saw the bid document. And I saw how much the social contract was important in terms of us getting through -- in terms of the bid, but also how important it is to us as a company. So the social contract is also 1 of the pillars of our engagement in Ethiopia. People. Technology, people -- without people, without the right skill sets, can't get anything going, right? They are 2 sides. We have roughly 170 expats. It's gone up to 172, 584 local talent, 266 females, 488 males, it's shifting. We're adding more emphasis, of course, on female representation within Safaricom. I'm sure if any of you've seen pictures of the ExCo, there's like this 1 lone lady in the middle, but that's going to hopefully get better very, very soon. Now the important thing about this is that we had a big team, 170 expats. It was a little bit bigger. Now it's come down to that number. Very soon, within the next 6 to 12 months, we're going to start bringing that team down. And the reason we're bringing that team down is because, a, we need to promote the local talent, but we need to make the company sustainable. So the team that came in, they sat everything up, they put the technology in place, the systems in place. They've done everything they must do, and now it's time to empower. The business at a glance. So most of you will have remembered that we crossed the 1 million mark a little while ago. Well, we just crossed the 2 million mark in terms of gross adds. The company is young. It's 4 months in. So in terms of some people have dropped off, obviously. But we continue to add customers on a strong pace. Roughly 11% of the population is covered. We're in over 25 cities today. We have 103 distributor shops. This was done in a period of about 6 months. That is a big number for just 6 months. We got 5,000 places where you can buy a SIM card and then 28,000 places where you can buy our airtime. Today, we have over 1,000 sites -- sorry, 900 sites have integrated, soon to be 1,000 sites. We have 754 permanent employees, as I said. Now in terms of the sites, they're coming on quickly. We're building them quickly. But of course, connecting to the fiber takes a little bit of time, getting sites from Ethio telecom also takes a little bit of time. But what it means is that as you grow and as things become easier, we're integrating more and more sites. And the network is becoming more and more useful and more and more relevant and stronger. Of course, from a quality perspective, it's fantastic, but it's being built up extremely quickly. Here are the cities that we cover. You can see it's pretty much across the country. Now today, we're there. Within the next 2 to 3 years, we're going to be everywhere. And that is going to be the strength. I just don't think that people can conceive or perceive how you can go from 0 to everything covered in such a small period of time, 3 to 4 years, everything will be done. We won -- we just recently -- we got a call from Ookla saying that we have the fastest network in both Ethiopia and East Africa. As I said earlier, we have a fantastic network is brilliant. Now I mean, telecom veterans will go, yes, but sure your network is empty. I mean you have very few customers, you've got a massive network. That is true. But I was sitting, having dinner the other day, and I did my fast speed test and it clicked at [ 100.8 ] megabytes per second, while having dinner just in the middle of downtown. It's a fantastic network. What we have is we have a Nokia core and Nokia sites around the center. And then in the regions, we have Huawei. We have Huawei kit. The Huawei kits is second to none. It's brilliant. It's incredible. And what we're seeing is we're seeing massive uptick in terms of the regions where we are. The Nokia kit is also very, very good. And we're seeing growth as well in terms of Addis. But in terms of quality, they are fantastic. As I said earlier, this is probably one of the most modern networks put up anywhere. We have touched on M-PESA and the size and importance of that element of business. Now no 1 can talk to a Kenyan about M-PESA, right? It's like just -- you're just talking to the wrong crowd. It's like, I'm going to listen, I'm going to hear. So this, as we bring it into the country and as we rolled out, we've got a fantastic team of people led by Paul Kavavu here, who are preparing some amazing stuff. Peter was with us just 1.5 months ago, he comes often but 1.5 months ago, we showed him the applications that we're setting up there. He's like, gosh, I'd like some of these piece here as well. This is what we're doing. We're doing some cutting-edge stuff there, and we're hoping to put this in the market very soon, definitely within the next year. We're just making sure that we got the right structure and the right agreement with the government to move forward. The government is very intent on giving us the license. But we just need to make sure that all the Ts and Cs are there, that we know everything that was expected from both parties so that we can move forward with strength. And without any -- I guess anything to stop us or slow us down at any time in the future. And everyone is playing very, very well. So right now, we're finalizing our commercial products. So in terms of all the applications, all the products are being tested, everything is being stress tested and the system is being upgraded, so it can carry more transactions that we have planned in the beginning. As I said, we're using the best technology. We're just making sure we have the right capacity to take on a surge of customers if required. In terms of the pillars here as well, again, transforming lives for digital future, but the pillars of this will be the ecosystem, okay? It has to be everywhere. Superior customer experience. Again, taking it to world-class levels, the digital payments and integrated solutions. E-commerce remittances and of course, the next financial services. We had gone through the entire M-PESA presentation earlier presented. We're pretty much replicating the entire business, and we're going to be putting it in place in Ethiopia. So this is very much in terms of short summary of where we are now and in terms of how we're moving forward. From a confidence perspective, it's amazing as you walk through the building and you see what has been built in just a year now. We started receiving equipment around February. We now have 1,000 sites that are built. We are learning. We've got our distributors in place. Things that were difficult in the beginning are no longer difficult. Don't forget, this is the first time Ethiopia has seen an investment of the size. We've imported roughly $400 million of equipment already with another $200 million in the pipeline. To come through customs, to have people build this equipment, we're building the entire ecosystem as we go. These are the learnings, and this is what gives us the confidence that this can be done and that we can grow at scale and quickly. So I'd like to thank everybody. Thank you very much for listening. I know it's probably the last presentation in the afternoon, a little bit tiring but again, this is a labor of love from us, and we appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Dilip Pal executive
#137

Yes. You know my request, right? Oh! Post lunch, that crowd. Thank you so much, Anwar. Thank you. So I know there's a lot of interest around Ethiopia, and I know you will have a lot of questions. [indiscernible] general Q&A session where you will be able to ask questions on Ethiopia. But I hope you now have a better appreciation of the progress that we are making on Ethiopia business. But it is fair to say that this is work in progress, yes, please keep it in mind. I mean nothing is finished here but everything is work in progress. But the scale that you have -- we have the ambition to deliver in Ethiopia is something unheard of and the progress that we have made in such a short period of time, it's just fantastic. There are difficulties, there are challenges, but which business doesn't have challenge. So that's why it gives us a lot of confidence and the hope for the future and kind of fits into our overall growth strategy of this group. So I know there have been a lot of questions around numbers and all. And as I said in the beginning, this is really not about earnings call. This is not about discussing a lot about numbers. This is about how we're executing our strategy. But you'll have more information as we keep promising you. We keep improving our disclosure on Ethiopia, and you'll see a lot more information when we have our full year results announcement in May, which is not far away from now.

Dilip Pal executive
#138

Now we'll move into a general Q&A session, and I would like all presenters throughout the day to come on stage. Peter, Morten, Cynthia, Karen, Bonnie -- where is Bonnie. So as usual, you know who is moderating our questions today with no surprise, Caroline, over to you, [ and I am also ] sitting here?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#139

Okay. Thank you, thank you so much, Dilip. And Dilip is also one of the people who will be answering your questions. So now he's taken a different positioning in that. So we'll quickly get into the Q&A. Again, I want to encourage all of us to please post your questions. We have a good number that we can start with, but I want to see more engagement on that platform slido. And we shall also position questions to the rest of our senior leadership team who are in the house. So some questions have come in that are directed towards others, so I will definitely guide us in that as well. So to kick it off, let's start with you, Peter. A question from Silha of EFG on the topic of regulatory enablers and headwinds, kindly share your [indiscernible] on the push to segregate M-PESA from the mobile services business. And I would want to combine that with Modi's question from Citi. In case of split of Mobile and MoMo business, mobile money business, what kind of impact do you see on your market shares in both segments and margins? Peter?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#140

Thank you. Thank you, Caroline, and thank you to the 2 questions, very relevant. We normally get these questions often. But I'm just reflecting that this is the first time that the CFO has not answered the question so far, but I'm sure you'll get a chance to answer the question. In terms of split, we've always said and I have -- I'm a strong believer that Safaricom has been successful because the GSM business has been together with the financial services business. Because at the end of the day, as I presented at the beginning, the key to this business is the social impact on community, the impact on customers. So every time we think about questions or strategic move is who benefits. So we believe, and I personally believe that the 2 businesses together makes a bigger impact on community, on society, but also makes a bigger impact on customers. You can see that we have gone Agile, we can co-create propositions for customers that leverage both sides of the business. Of course, from a regulatory perspective, the regulators need to be in a position when they are able -- where they are able to regulate our business. Today, our business is regulated by Central Bank, the financial services business, and we adhere to all the elements of that and also by the CA through -- in terms of GSM business. So the move or the push has been because of the perceived size of our business and what causes that size. We've always pushed the narrative that we are big because we invested -- we invested next to the nearest competitor because we are more innovative and because we create just bigger impact. So that means that you cannot split a business just because it feels large. We need to create more bigger businesses in this country that have more big -- that has a bigger impact on the country than reduce those that are already successful. So that's why I would say, I wouldn't go into the point of what happens to market share and all that stuff. And then the second thing that I'll also say that we are also opening up our ecosystem so that we become a much more open ecosystem as Boniface put it through. We enable the partners who are much wider to come into and utilize the ecosystem. We are pushing into our probability and leasing of towers and other elements that makes it -- makes this ecosystem ubiquitous. We are no longer a closed ecosystem. So that's where I would leave the question rather than what impact there would be if there was a split.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#141

Thank you, Peter. Thank you very much. I now move to Morten. Morten, there is a question here from John Davis of Bloomberg Intelligence. How much are you using suppliers, including Huawei that presumably mainly Vodafone family group companies can't use?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#142

Well, we're using a lot of suppliers from all over the world and a lot of suppliers here in Kenya. And Huawei is 1 of them as we all know, and they were part of our 5G launch together with Nokia. And I think we will continue to adhere to the rules and regulations in Kenya and even how we deal with our suppliers.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#143

Thank you, Morten. A question to you, Anwar. Lots of questions actually on Ethiopia. So this one is on the grid availability from Maddy of HSBC. What's the grid availability in Ethiopia? What's the solar strategy there? And what's the population coverage of the network?

Anwar Soussa executive
#144

Okay. All very good questions. In terms of grid availability, so roughly 80% of urban is available, the grid is available and roughly 20% in terms of rural as far as I remember from my last view. However, pretty much everywhere that we're rolling out right now is connected to the grid. It's still early days. We haven't gone into deep rural yet. But we are so far mostly connected to the grid. In terms of solar, pretty much everything that's not connected to the grid today is being built as solar. And then, of course, because we're still getting this right, we have a solar and a generator backup there as well, just to make sure that there's always power on the sites. Of course, it's predominantly solar. But this is the modality for us going forward. And as we go deeper rural, it's going to be exclusively solar. In terms of coverage. Now finally, so the coverage we're aiming for this year, we're aiming to hit around 25% as we close this year down, 25% in terms of voice roughly, 20% in terms of data. Of course, we don't have parts of the north available to us right now. And that's why if we don't hit the 25% exactly, which is the license requirements, it's going to be a percentage or 2 below. But the main reason, of course, would be Tigray Mekelle up north, which we hope to be able to enter very soon. And we've already started discussions with Ethio Telecom on.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#145

Thank you very much, Anwar. And to you, Boniface. I know these may have been touched on when we were behind the other boots. But without speaking to numbers, just give them a highlights, this is a question from [ Davis of Stallion Capital. ] Would like to get a highlight of our latest statistics on MALI specifically touching on month-on-month customer growth and assets under management, if possible. So without giving numbers, maybe give them a flavor of how the uptick has been.

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#146

So MALI has been largely actually be around staff pilot. And all we are doing was, first of all, to test the journey. We are doing a lot of integration to partners. And so that's one of the things we are testing. And at the same time, we're trying to also see how the fund managers can invest and present the returns back to customers as the journey is completed. But in terms of numbers, which we are not able to share at the moment. All I can say is that we are quite impressed with uptick within a very small group. And one of the things we are doing, which is part of Agile is let customers discover products themselves of [indiscernible] using. And it really -- initial indication matches up to some of the best products we have in the market today. And equally, even the returns that -- within the small pilot, we are seeing these almost at par and in some cases, beating some of the best products in the market.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#147

Thank you. Thank you, Boniface.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#148

Caroline, can I ask Boniface also to indicate there is also a lot of interest on the partner side. Not -- I mean who want to be part of the -- yes, do you want to talk about that?

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#149

So what you've done is even before launch, a lot of fund managers have reached out to us, both who are strong in retail and corporate and very new FinTechs have reached out to us and they want to be part of this. And so what we've done, we've now developed a framework for onboarding them with a very strict framework, which, one, ensures that we really get fund managers who are going to grow value for customers. And then the second thing is a very important criteria. We are onboarding fund managers as the AUM growth. That's the main focus. But right now, we have received a lot of request for partnerships and you're putting them through that evaluation process to see who goes in initially; at the same time, putting in the fund at main technology, which will distribute capital for investment to various fund managers.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#150

Thank you. Thank you, Boniface for that. Allow me to put a question through to you Dilip. Linet Muriungi of absa is asking. How is Safaricom looking to source USD for infrastructure imports into Kenya and Ethiopia given the USD liquidity?

Dilip Pal executive
#151

I think that's a good -- very good question in it. Yes, I think it's been challenging over the last -- yes, over the last 6 months or so ever since -- or maybe even more than that, ever since the Russia-Ukraine war crisis came in. At the end of the day, I think it's not a crisis for our business the way we are managing it because we do have our own inflow of U.S. dollar. I think Boniface mentioned about the inflows that we bring in to Kenya, and we do have a substantial market share in that. So yes, liquidity has been a challenge, but we do have a good predictability of what's the level of payments that you have to make, there are dividend season and there are payment season that we have, I think we're able to manage and forecast it well and also work with the regulators in a way that keeps the stability in the market. I won't say it has been very easy, but I also don't want to say that it's been a -- it's been a crisis. I think we have been able to manage that fairly well. For Ethiopia, as you know -- I mean this I'm talking about more for Kenya. I think for Ethiopia, so far, the sources of funding has been majorly through shareholder funding. And the big funding that we have done was for the license acquisition. And as you know, that has happened last year. Post that it was more of trickling in as part of the funding need they have. But on top of the U.S. dollar, shareholder funding, as we keep saying that we have been exploring other options. What we've managed to do is very affordable and economic vendor financing that we have done with our 2 major vendors that we deal with both Nokia and Huawei and then we managed to get access to local funding, which is the [ bid ] local funding. And this is something that we have been very deliberate to make sure that the payments that you need to make for local payments in Ethiopia is managed through local currency. We managed to bring in quite a bit of funding from there. And in future, I think shareholder funding is definitely an option, but not necessarily the only option. Would you have other options that you spoke about? I know some of you probably be aware of -- or maybe you have a question around that on IFC. I just want to say that, yes, that's something that we have been engaging with them for long. And from IFC side, I think they did certain announcement that we have seen in public domain, but we have not finalized -- finalized in the sense that we can now go ahead and say it is done. But if that comes in, also will allow us to have a lot of opportunity in terms of the foreign currency source for Ethiopia. And I think there are other options also for DFI and other sources of foreign currency sourcing. So I would say, yes, we are aware of the challenges, but we're managing it quite well so far.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#152

Thank you very much. Dilip, now allow me to move across to the room. We have our senior leadership team members also seated here, and I want to direct a question to you, Nick. Nick is our Chief Channels Officer. And we have a question from [ IO ] of Goldman Sachs. You mentioned a third of Kenyans have a 4G handset. Can you explain the market opportunity and how you improve affordability. Combine that question with 1 from Modi of Citi who is asking on handset affordability, will you use subsidies to drive affordability and what kind of impact do you see that on the margins, Nick?

Nicholas Kamunyu executive
#153

Okay. Thank you very much, and thank you to both questions. The first beat is the opportunity we have within our current base is between 10 million and 15 million subscribers on our current network who are currently 2G subscribers, and that's from a unique IT point of view. So that's the size of the opportunity at the moment. And as we are slowly dropping around it, we expect to see some acceleration on 4G adoptions. How are we addressing this opportunity. We are looking at 4 key pillars. The first one is around affordable devices. And we are working in partnership with the industry in creating a local assembly for -- and to achieve a device that is at around a $50 price point. And we expect that towards the end of the year, we should have some -- made some significant progress on that. The second beat -- the second pillar around that is the affordability issue. So we've had significant success with our Lipa Mdogo Mdogo proposition, which is at the entry. But now we are beginning to onboard other device financing or pay-go partners. So right now, we have 3 of them that are onboard. And this is around accelerating penetration, especially for the higher and mid devices in which then they can be able to participate [ in that store as ] to be able to accelerate that. Then the third beat is around looking at how then we can start engaging with other financing partners to participate because right now, LMM is internally generated funds. So how do we bring in other financial partners to be able to participate in that, accelerate that. We're already working with some partners around Google and also with MTR in terms of driving that partnership to be able to then take some of the risk that we currently have on that. And then the last pillar is around engaging with the government and the regulators around how do we bring down -- to address the issue around the taxes to be able to lower the acquisition cost. So those are the big ones. In terms of the margins, currently, Safaricom subsidizes the devices, especially on LMM to around about [ 300 million ]. What we are doing is we're going to continue repurposing that subsidy with the main view of accelerating attachment onto our network and also using that as bundled propositions with the data and voice to be able to make that usage stay on our network.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#154

Thank you. Thank you very much, Nick Kamunyu. I'll now go to you Fawzia. Fawzia is our interim Chief Consumer Business Officer. I have a couple of questions for you. Fawzia, the first one being, what's the center stage of the telco business growth story now that the key business lines are mature with declining ARPU. That is from Wesley Manambo of Genghis Capital.

Fawzia Ali executive
#155

Thank you very much, Caroline, and thank you very much for the question from Genghis. We are in the connectivity business, and it is true that 2 of our streams are actually in the mature set of our business, and that's the voice business and the SMS business. And while they continue to be mature, we use them to actually enable us to hold our customer share and our traffic share so that we can add more services to our customers once they come onto the network. So while they're mature business, they are fundamental as a pipeline for us to grow, one most additional service for our customers. But anyway, in addition to that, the question is about where are the growth areas for this part of the business. We see 2 areas being critical and fundamental as growth areas. The first 1 is the mobile data space. My colleague, Nick has just talked about the opportunity that we see. Currently, we have only a third of our customers on 4G devices. We see 4G being the device that unleashes the opportunity for the customer from an experience perspective and in ensuring that the customer actually gets the best deal when they're using mobile data. What we're saying is that we have nearly 12 million customers who don't have access. So if we unlock that opportunity, we can be able to grow further. Morten talked about the fact that 80% of the traffic on our network is 4G. I can let that pause for a moment. Only 1/3 of our customers are on 4G but they are driving 80% of the network. It just shows the opportunity that we can be able to unlock once we enable these customers. If we leverage on the side of [ purpose, ] the government is actually digitizing their services. And if we have all these customers trying to access it -- wanting to access but they don't have the right device, it means that they're actually getting excluded. So we will also leverage the [ purpose site ] to ensure that we drive mobile data. The second part of our business that we see as a significant growth pillar in the future is our fixed business for home. If you look at the sensors that was done in 2019, we have 12 million homes that are in the country. That's 2019, probably that has grown. Of those, nearly 8 million are connected to power, which shows that the opportunity for fixed. All the operators who are offering fixed connectivity at the moment, we probably penetrated just about 1 million, 1.2 million of those households. So there's a huge headroom in terms of being able to provide the much-needed connectivity for households. During COVID, what we noticed is that the opportunity for home went beyond entertainment. People are working from home, students are studying from home. So it actually has become a critical facet for our customers. So how do we want to do this? We know that there are places where we will use fiber network. We'll use our 5G network as explained by Morten, 4G wireless, but we're also experimenting on point to multiple point technologies so that we can manage both quality and affordability for our customers. We see an exciting future for our consumers.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#156

Thank you Fawzia. I'll combine the next 2 questions, which are based on pricing to you, Fawzia. So 1 is from Samuel Njihia of Renaissance Capital. Voice growth has been weak despite the growth in traffic. It seems the issue is the rate per minute. What do you expect these rates to -- do you expect these rates to keep coming down? The second question, which is related is from Tinashe of Laurium Capital. How fast does traffic volume have to grow in order to offset the pressure on pricing in voice, data and also in M-PESA. Fawzia?

Fawzia Ali executive
#157

Okay. Thank you for the 2 questions. I'll try and address them together. So from a voice perspective, as mentioned, in most mature markets, voice generally starts to decline at some point, and we recognize that. Our strategy is to make sure that we hold the decline to flat or lower single-digit levels as much as possible because we see voice as a fundamental pillar in terms of acquiring our customers and holding them so that we can add more customers -- more services to those customers. Voice prices will continue to go down as MTRs come down. But despite that, our mission is to make sure that our customer share and our traffic share holds at [ 2 facts. ] And I think we've managed to hold that based on the last CA report, and that is what we will continue to do. It is a mature business but a fundamental business that we are committed to ensuring that we hold the customer share and the market share. The second question around pricing. I think what we can say is that from a -- as already explained for voice, the elasticity for voice is not -- is nearly flat or negative slightly, as explained by the first question. But for mobile data, the elasticity is definitely positive. We've seen from Morten's presentation, the traffic has grown anywhere between 40% and 50% but -- despite a reduction in rate of nearly 15%. So we see a great opportunity on the data side where we'll continue to add more customers as we deliver more affordable propositions to our customers that enable them to get the benefits of being on the Internet.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#158

Thank you very much Fawzia.

Dilip Pal executive
#159

Caroline. Can I just add. So very well said, Fawzia, I think -- the only additional point I wanted to highlight here is there is a difference in the way the other mature markets behave in the voice journey because it was not about rates anymore or it was not about engagement anymore. There was a point in time, the voice almost became irrelevant that you know you almost give it away free. We are not at that stage. And if you have seen the presentation, if you've seen the slides from Peter, the correlation between the price drop and the usage growth, you'd probably be seeing -- this Kenya probably is one of those markets where we managed to grow our voice usage as a whole, which means that there is a lot of engagement which Fawzia and the rest of the team are doing to improve that. So it's not about -- I'm not saying that elasticity is similar. Elasticity is very different from data and voice but somehow we managed to do very well in voice side, where despite what you see price decline, price increase, whatever happens in those mature markets, voice usage seems to go down and down and down. But we are not in that path. That's a small correction I want to make, that we are not in that stage. Yes, it will be a decline, but it's a very, very important part of our franchise, as Fawzia explained, this is where customers come in and we are adding customers. You see that we have been adding customers in Kenya for a long time. So just some additional points, Fawzia.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#160

Thank you very much, Dilip, for that. Maybe just to mention to the investors and analysts in the room, we are happy to take your live questions. So should you want to ask a question live, just raise your hand. I'll see it from here, and I will bring a mic to you for that question to be asked to your leader of choice. Taking us now back to -- actually bring us to Nick Mulila, who is our Chief Corporate Security Officer, question or 2 for you, 1 from John Davis of Bloomberg Intelligence. Can you run through what data protection regime you operate under? And this is in the context of the fact that we mentioned we are collecting a very large amount of data points about our customers. Nick?

Nicholas Mulila executive
#161

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dave. I just want to start by saying that our journey on data protection actually began about 10 years ago. And that is the time when there was a very huge push in the European Union to protect customer data. That is when citizens there, they were demanding their rights to be forgotten, asking to be told what their data is being collected and used for. And we picked that one up as an issue that we needed to start looking at here. And therefore, we started our data protection program. Basically, in 2016, then the general data protection regulations in Europe were approved. I think that was June 2016 and therefore, we started now modeling our data protection program around the GDPR as it were. And basically looking at the number of points that we have -- a lot of data that we collect every day. We had about 43.2 million customers, not to mention the number of transactions that come through every day, and some of those transactions will have what we call personal identifiable data or what you call PII, which then has to be protected. So in that particular program, then we have about 4 specific areas. First of all, how we collect data from our customers, is it safe enough? How do we then store this data? How do you use it? And do we get concerns from customers. And lastly, how do we [indiscernible] if we need -- basically, if we need to share it. And then later in 2019, November, the Kenya Data Protection Act, was then came into force, and that is what we more or less use to date, but you have with a very, very keen eye on the GDPR, which is much, much more onerous. Thank you. Thank you, Carol.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#162

Thank you very much, Nick. There was a question here from an anonymous, but I'll take it because it's talking about something, I think it's quite what we do as a business. How much is cybercrime costing Safaricom on average? Can you give some context?

Nicholas Mulila executive
#163

Thank you. I think the way I look at it. First of all, I want to confirm that we've not been unfortunate to get an cyberattack that would have cost us money that I could attach today. But I just want to look at the kind of program that we do run, and they are basically about 4 phases in this particular program. The first one just around governance, around governance, around systems, security governance. Second one is what nowadays we are calling safe, secure and private by design, just making sure that all the products and service that we give you out there are safe, secure and private. And of course, a lot of architecture goes into that. And the third one is the 24/7 cyber defence center that we run. I think earlier on, you have seen part of it here. That is where we monitor what is exactly happening in our systems what is going on basically and also use the same to also monitor for our customers. And of course, the last one is the managed security services. So all that investment in our whole, of course, the business just roughly about KES 200 million in every year. Thank you, Caroline.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#164

Thank you very much. That is Nick Molina, our Chief corporate security officer.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#165

Caroline. Can I add to Nicholas' point. I think the -- I think the question about cyber is an important question. When you look at our risk metrics and you say likelihood of occurrence and severity [via risk card], side by is always in the top right hand box. So we actually do take it very serious on along -- I mean, you have some of the numbers of his people. And if there is anyone who is recruiting an industry, they always come to Safaricom because we do -- we are recognized as the company that has the best cyber security talent and also capability. And also, we leverage what is happening in Vodacom and Vodafone because we are part of a group. And this is where the advantage of our group really comes through in the context of being able to -- both in terms of the road map to being fully protected, but also in terms of incidences that happen whether they are attempts or actually successful. So it's actually important. So it's not something that we do as a safe thing. It is something that is an everyday job that we have built into our business. And I think the biggest one -- the biggest evidence that we have done a good job is being able to protect M-PESA so that it is available every day, 365 days. Because if it is not available, all of us will receive different costs. And there is no question that M-PESA is one of the most important asset to this country and cyber does a big role. I mean the team does a very big role in terms of protecting that ecosystem.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#166

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter, for the building on that. And thank you so much, Nick as well. When I'm looking across the room, anybody would like to ask a question. Thank you. If you could please start by introducing yourself and your question and if you're targeting at a certain leader, just mention out your name.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#167

Yes. I'll go first. [Momoa] 337 Frontier Capital. Thank you very much for the Investor Day. It's been extremely informative and interesting. So I just had questions on your tower network in Ethiopia. You talked about 1,000 sites. Is it possible just to share with us the split between what you've built yourself and what you're co-sharing with Ethiotel? And then the second question was on the 25% coverage target by the end of this year. Does that include your own towers that you've built by yourself? Or does that also include sharing agreements with Ethiotel? And then the last question was on your presence. You talked about 25 cities. Is there a minimum threshold for that when you're talking about tower presence like a minimum number of towers?

Anwar Soussa executive
#168

Thank you. Those are very, very good questions. So roughly, till today out of 1,000 towers, roughly 700, there's our own build. Those are the ones we built ourselves. By the time we close this year, our financial year, we hope to have a split around [indiscernible], okay, a little bit more of our own than theirs. Now in terms of presence for reaching the 25%, it should be anywhere between 1,300 and 1,400 sites to get to that point. So I'm sorry, what was your last question?

Unknown Analyst analyst
#169

The last question was on the minimum threshold for classifying your. Is there a minimum number of towers you have to have or local shop or just having the network switched on in that geography?

Anwar Soussa executive
#170

Correct. So it depends obviously on the size of the city. So the bigger the city, the more you're supposed to -- the more towers you require to cover it. So there is no threshold. But however, the regulator has given us quality indicators, which we must have in order to define whether a site -- a town is covered or not. So those will include data speeds and include quality of voice as well.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#171

So just one follow-up question. So you mentioned once in your presentation that you're building the most modern network, probably within the Vodacom family. Is it possible just to elaborate on that? I know you talked about Nokia servicing you in Addis and Huawei outside the region. But just to elaborate on that a little, if possible?

Anwar Soussa executive
#172

Okay. So you're aware that most MNOs today are looking at upgrading or modernizing the network, basically us taking out the 4G stuff and putting in 5G equipment and both vendors. We're not going to be switching on 5G initially because, a, the frequency has not been expressed interest, but also the device ecosystem its obvious still so small to warrant 5G investments. So it's a fully 5G-enabled network. 4G from the smallest town, we'll be getting 4G. And I think that, that, from an MNO perspective, and especially within our continent, it really important [indiscernible] back whereby now you have villages and towns, which are also getting public [indiscernible] in months. So it is truly from a technology perspective, something very important.

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#173

I think it's a technology stream at Ethiopia. So of legacy. So that every new investment you do from is the latest state of the art on the technology, how you build your data centers, how you sort of utilize your resources. So I completely agree with me. This is probably the most modern network in the corner.

Dilip Pal executive
#174

Yes. Can I just add -- I mean this is something that -- This question keeps coming back to us again and again. I think another way I tried to explain this is Morten just briefly mentioned about it. As a CTIO, if you ask him, what is his wish? In his brain, what does he wish for when he's working for a telco? You know what is his wish? I wish I could do everything from start zero. The modernity of this network is not about just the sites and of course, which I think Anwar explained it very well. It's also, I think the IT and the BSS, the whole enablement. That part is significant today. And that part is where if you see the way the IT stack unfolded over a period of time for any telcos, it's like you below on, you add something, you add something. And then if you ask someone today, I do have so many of them. Can we start from 0? That's what the beauty of Ethiopia. The latest on everything, latest is always better than the previous one, when you're coming at this stage, even the 4G infrastructure they're putting in the equipment, they're putting in this much ahead compared to what we had probably others. So the whole thing about upgrades, whole thing is about, oh, I need to add this I need to add that, that's what you're starting with. I mean nobody knows in 20 years, what will happen, maybe we'll have the same thing. But right today, what we're doing, and I completely echo what Anwar said, there is no another example today as we speak. That's for the beauty of it Ethiopia.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#175

Yes, please proceed. Maddy?

Madhvendra Singh analyst
#176

This is Maddy Singh from HSBC. So a couple of questions. Just one short follow-up on Ethiopia. If you could talk about whether the license is not technology neutral, so you cannot use 5G unless you get specific license for that? And second question is more on your fixed wireless strategy in both Kenya and Ethiopia. My understanding, looking at your slide as well, you talked about the advantages of fiber versus 5G FWA, and it looks like 5G will be able to offer almost equivalent experience, if not better than fiber. And in terms of at least the ease of rolling out services, 5G would be probably quite fast compared to a fiber rollout. So if you could talk a bit about your fixed wireless strategy and ambitions in both the countries. And how big could it be from that point of view? And whether 5G would be the enabler for you to offer a cheaper high-speed home broadband and whether -- even the cost of device when you talk about, I think people are talking about consumer like handheld devices., But when you talk about 5G FWA, that subsidization probably is almost worth it, given the higher price points, ARPUs and so on. So if you could talk about the strategy there, that will be very helpful.

Anwar Soussa executive
#177

Okay. Morten Are you going to take the fixed wireless?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#178

Yes. As I talked about the in the presentation, every technology has it right in the right place. And you can say, over time, nothing beats a fiber network, not even 5G. We all know that. But we also know the cost of rolling out a fiber. So as I talked about, we see that complementary. The dual purpose of 5G, of course, it has -- takes the smartphone penetration, but it also offers similar speech to most fiber products as we see today. Where we still need to see is that the device cost coming down, where before we can see it takes the -- it gains a bigger market share. Then there's the other mature technology that we have been using in enterprise, which is the Point-to-multipoint unlicensed spectrum where we are seeing now the prices are coming down quickly. That works really well. So for example, you say, you have a small apartment building with 10 apartments and so on. It's a wireless technologies unlicensed spectrum, it's cheap devices, 1 device on the roof and then you connect those 10 apartments with a wired connection everyone has a WiFi in the home. This you can produce at a very low cost, but doesn't scale in capacity. So again, there's different pieces of the market where we will use different technology and see where it fits. And that's why we talked about our broadband strategy, not being only one technology, it's all this technology combined together, depending on affordability and different places of the market.

Cynthia Kropac executive
#179

Thank you for that question. I did want to tag on to what Morten was saying and your point about the reduction in prices of handsets, also needs to extend to the routers, which really prohibits the adoption of fiber. And you're right. As we have worked on looking at local assembly of handsets, that's also extended to routers. Routers on average are KES 10,000 and up, you could find them perhaps in retail shops and dealers around the country retailing for less than that KES 3,000, KES 5,000, perhaps not being subjected to some of the equipment tax that causes equipment to be [indiscernible] . That is certainly one area we want to partner with manufacturers on how we can bring the cost of those devices down. It's also an opportunity for us to work with M-PESA on Lipa Mdogo Mdogo, on how those devices can be affordable on an ongoing basis. So you don't have that huge upfront cost that prohibits people from making that decision to go with fiber. But Morten is quite right on any of consistency with speed on for a business at least would always jump over 5G. We have to have an absolute use case at least for the businesses to make that decision to make that investment to switch over fiber would be the underlying foundational infrastructure for most businesses.

Anwar Soussa executive
#180

And in terms -- sorry, if I could then just finally add the part about Ethiopia. So we do have a unified license, so we can offer 5G as well. And the spectrum. So we don't have -- I don't believe we have the 3,500, which is what we need for the 5G. However, we do have a full range of other spectrum, but that is -- if we want to use that, that's what we'd have to acquire from the governments or from the regulator.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#181

But I think with Ethiopia, we need to realize, we need to focus on the basics, get the network set up, get distribution right, get people with 4G handsets before you think about 5G. So there may be some elements with enterprise and all that stuff, but Ethiopia is about getting basic's right.

Madhvendra Singh analyst
#182

And if I could ask one more follow-up on the Kenyan market. I remember a few years back, there was a strategy around home entertainment solution through the fixed wireless setup. Just wondering whether that is still something which you are looking at? I'm talking about TV or those kind of content delivery to home, basically, whether that is still something which you guys are looking at?

Anwar Soussa executive
#183

Fawzia?

Fawzia Ali executive
#184

Yes, I can do. So from a home perspective, you're right. The mission around home is 3-pronged. It's about getting the customers connected and Morten has talked about the various reason which we will. It's about making sure that we have affordable propositions. Cynthia talked about the router and whatever plan it is. But the third item is around what does the customer of do with it So the whole issue around the one more service. And what we've seen works quite well in this space is around how can we reach partnerships to be able to provide what customers want. We see for us to convert the home into a smartphone, smart home entertainment is big. The whole issue of cameras, the whole issue of doorbells we are seeing with Ring from Amazon. So there are quite a number of interesting things that we can do for the customer in the home so that we can be able to actually convert that home into a smart home. The first phase was around connecting them, but I think we have enough customers now get into what we are now calling one more service and to advantage the customer.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#185

Okay. Thank you very much for that. I'll still come back to you for any other live questions, but let me now get back into Slido because this is the last session for our online and so please keep posting your questions. Peter, I have one for you from Jaynesh of Mazi assets -- Mazi Asset Management. When will Safaricom acquire a banking or deposit-taking license? We've got big dreams for Safaricom?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#186

Yes. And you realize that the question is very smartly asked to me not to Boniface or to our Business Development Director called -- the Chief Development Director called, Michael. But I think the way to think about this is what would be the benefit of a license. I think Boniface talked about the perception that the banks, our competitors, insurance companies and so on and so forth. Our experience so far is we are able to offer a set of services, continue to open our ecosystem to multiple tenants without necessarily the drama of going through what comes with a banking license, which is a lot of regulation, a lot of requirements to meet capital adequacies, transfer and all that. So to the extent that we are able to deliver the propositions that customers want. And as -- to the extent with others, we do not believe that it makes sense to necessarily rush for a license. That doesn't exclude us considering a restricted license. But at the moment, we have not applied to regulator to get a license. We do not see, at this stage, strong benefits of actually going for one, at least not in the immediate future. There is still so much more to do with what we have before we actually acquire license. We are looking at it. What would be the benefit, Michael -- that's one of the reasons why Michael came into the picture to start to think about the future and how our model will look like in the future. As soon as I acquired a banking license, many of you will ask me, are you going to split now the bank to something else outside of the group and so on and so forth. But I think on a light -- that was on lighter note on a more kind of substantive note, there is intending that the current ecosystem is not -- is preventing us from doing. Boniface, any addition to that?

Boniface Gitonga Mungania executive
#187

Just to let some of the things we presented earlier, technology is what we need, and we can deliver the same value that would have offered customers through others, but what they might need is that layer that digitizes them and then allows them to scale. That's a platform play that you are keen on.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#188

All right. Thank you for that, Peter. Thank you, Boni. A question here on Ethiopia, and I'll direct this to you, Anwar, maybe supported by Boni because it's also related to the M-PESA, how it evolving Ethiopia. This is from Renaldo D'Souza of Stalling Capital. Do you see your business in Ethiopia evolving into value-add financial services similar to Fuliza and M-Shwari in Kenya?

Anwar Soussa executive
#189

Stephen, do you want to take that? I mean, obviously, we have -- actually, you know what, Paul, can you take that, please?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#190

Yes, we have Paul.

Paul Kavavu executive
#191

Good afternoon. So the National Bank of Ethiopia with the Central Bank of Ethiopia spent a lot of time across the markets and especially the M-PESA markets, when to turn down in M-PESA evolved. And we are seeing them applying those learnings in how they have set up the regulator in terms of mobile money. So what I'm trying to say here is we are likely to check the same part because the regulation that is in Ethiopia is similar to what we have in Kenya. So we'll start off with what we call the basic mobile money services and then we'll be able to evolve with the value-added services, which are the micro credit and saving products which includes pension wealth management. The bid about Ethiopia. The regulator is very clear for now we move along. So part of the direction that they issue allows us to be able to offer these services from day 1. So we may not take the length that cannot too for us to be able to offer the value-added services because the regulation is very clear on what we need to do. Essentially, what is to say is for you to offer micro-credit, micro-saving, pension wealth management, you will need to work with a regulatory institution. So we are very clear on the approach we're going to take and we see ourselves being able to evolve that in the next 1 year of launch. Thank you.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#192

Thank you very much. That is Paul Kavavu, our Chief Financial Services Officer of Safaricom, Ethiopia. Thank you, Paul. My next question now -- I will take this last one from anonymous. So if you are the one who is posting as anonymous, this is the last question. I'm taking is a good one, but please now indicate your name. Thank you. To you, Dilip. How do you plan to pay dividends to Safaricom Kenya from Safaricom Ethiopia when there is shortage of dollars in Ethiopia? Just some color around that?

Dilip Pal executive
#193

Yes. Good question on -- so let's just differentiate between Kenya and Ethiopia. So first of all, Kenya. This has been a dividend-paying company for years. So I think we managed it quite well. And in the most -- if you're considering this the last 6 to 8 months have been -- or maybe a year have been very tough. I think in this difficult period also, we managed to do that well. I know there have been some difficulties in some of the foreign institutional investors the time it took to get the dividend out, but I think that's just the liquidity and the price equation, which is what was causing this. So I think we managed this cycle very well, as you know, for the last -- I think this is probably the second year we have started paying interim dividend. So you pay interim dividend, you pay a final dividend, you were able to also spread the payment of dividend and the pressure on the liquidity well. So I think on the Kenya side, that's what. On Ethiopia, let's just wait. I mean, we are not there yet. I think we know the dollar is a big challenge. And let's not -- let's not hide from that, but we also know that that's not how it will be forever. We do have our hypothesis of how these things will play out. And we believe by the time we would be able to pay dividend, we'll be able to solve this. So that's what I would leave it. Ethiopia, give us some more time. We are not paying dividend yet, but Kenya, yes, a little bit of challenge here and there, but we managed it well and we continue to manage it well.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#194

Thank you very much, Dilip. You will notice that I'm trying to avoid a lot of the performance-related questions because we'll have those discussions in the next 2.5 months. For now, let's stick to strategy and how we're executing. And I do have a question for you, Anwar. This is from Madi. What would be the full-scale Ethiopia operation look like in terms of staff strength? Like what's your target staff numbers on a full-scale operation for the Ethiopia business?

Anwar Soussa executive
#195

It's going to be anywhere from 2,000 to 3,000 employees once we finish our scale up. Remember, this is a company that's going to have over 10,000 sites in 10 years' time -- significantly over 10,000 sites. You're going to have M-PESA in place, you're going to have -- you can have, as I said, 5 different languages, 9 different regions. It's going to be a very big business. Now the stated there's a variance, it depends how much we insource versus outsource. There is now a move in terms of insourcing all the IT skills. That wasn't there before. So we may look to bring on significantly more programmers than we had initially built into plan in order to move into that direction. However, as I said, between 2,000 to 3,000 people.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#196

Thank you, Anwar. I have a follow-up question, which may sound technical, so maybe Morten can assist. But this is on call centers saying can call centers be cross used that is redundancy for Kenya in Ethiopia. Some synergy sort of related question.

Anwar Soussa executive
#197

Yes. If I can answer that. One of the things that we're looking at is looking to see how we can export services from Ethiopia. So when we were looking at call center partners to bring into Ethiopias, some of them were talking about, yes, as soon as you get the connectivity right, we'll be able to service customers in Europe and America. So it's something that we candor. Now if Safaricom Plc decides to use us as a redundant call center, that's obviously something that we can look at. But it's not part of the plan today, but it's obviously something that we could be putting on to the table in the future.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#198

Okay. Thank you for that, Anwar. So I think this one we've answered in terms of the mobile money Ethiopia taking the same ship as in M-PESA. So Jaynesh that has been answered. I'll go to Sruti. What is the biggest risk to the Ethiopia investment case for Safaricom and which aspect of the opportunity might you be potentially underestimating? Let me repeat that from Sruti of EFG. What is the biggest risk to the Ethiopia investment case for Safaricom and which aspect of the opportunity might you be potentially underestimating?

Dilip Pal executive
#199

As always, Sruti, you come back with very exclusive questions which -- but I think it's very [parting] the context of investment case that you make. And of course, for a size and magnitude of the investment that we'll be making, it is fair to say that there has not been any new risk that has come up in terms of our investment case what we have not anticipated before. And remember, Ethiopia business case development or the opportunities that we can invest in Ethiopia has not been just before the bid happened. It happened over a long period of time, yes. So -- and when you do such investments, you make sure that you assess it, you assess it just not as a principal investor with Safaricom PLC Kenya. But as you see that the consortium members that we have. And also, let's not forget that a potential. I'm not saying confirm they are a potential equity investor and a debt funder, IFC, the process they go through, yes, how do they validate, how they process it. So let me just say that, yes, the risk that you see around, I think, for example, the northern -- the crisis happened and the war crisis that had happened, we anticipated it happening. Remember that November 2021, yes, November 2021, when the risk that we assessed actually came up. So I think the main thing is, do we know the risks that come up in such a big investment? Yes, we are aware of. Do you anticipate some of this showing up as we progress, as we do our work we're building a great network and transform the lives of Ethiopians? Yes, we anticipate that. And are we taking enough action to mitigate those risks? I think the answer is all of that. I don't want to pick up anything. I think you know all of those regulatory risk remains, the currency risk, the inflation, high inflation environment, those were all things that you knew before. And of course, the war risk. I would say, from that point of view, some of those things actually improved, I would say, the war part of it. At least there is something that we can all see happening, right? So I mean, you could be asking questions that what is the future? Nobody knows the future, but you plan for it and then you execute it. That will be my assessment. So an opportunity, I think our opportunities emerge. Remember, when everybody has assessed the risk and everything is known, then your risk return ratio is always kind of obvious, right? So you take -- you know that there is an opportunity that so you're able to take those risks. I see Ethiopia in that way. So we don't know how things will play out. But I will know that -- if we execute well as Anwar and the rest of the team, mentioned about it, we create a great network. We create customer service that we are all proud of. We created distribution. And we bring in mobile financial services, then we are talking a serious business, and we are talking about our ambition. I'm repeating again, it's not an outlook or it's not a guidance that you're giving. We believe it is possible to have a Ethiopia side of the business in 10 to 12 years, what is Kenya today. And look no further than the Vodacom now, Egypt, I think there is a lot of similarity that you can draw. You have population size. But they look at the revenue size, 3, 4x greater than Ethiopia, yes, today, yes. And if you see some of the factors which are in the way that market share, the leader in market share, of course, the GDP and all those things you need to discount. But I'm saying, look no further. So again, this is not what you are saying. This is what we are guiding you, but this is what we believe. If we execute well, this is what it could be. So I would leave with more on opportunities other than trying to think about risk. Yes, we are aware of those risk. And we will go along with those risks, we'll mitigate and we'll leave with them in a way that finally we really look at the opportunity at that country offers us.

Anwar Soussa executive
#200

If I can answer to that from sitting where I'm sitting in terms of where the opportunity would come from. Well, we seem to have -- or we spoke earlier about the lag in terms of the second private player coming into the market. The way we're moving and with the way we're putting up the network will give us a very strong position in terms of strength vis-à-vis any new competition that would come into the market. So there, we see a potential upside. This has not been built up in the business plan today. I think that there is a significant upside on there. And also there -- when we came into -- with the license, they weren't looking at towercos and infraco, et cetera. Now these are being discussed. And we hope very soon that the market will open for TowerCo's and InfraCo's, et cetera. Now these are being discussed. And we hope very soon that the market will open for TowerCo's and InfraCo's. If that happens, it's going to allow us to scale up significantly faster than we expected because it means that there's going to be someone else deploying capital, but also know-how. And the know-how is critical in terms of both managing and deploying networks in very difficult environments. So we see those as 2 potential basically factors that will improve our performance on the ground significantly if they happen.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#201

Okay. Thank you for that Anwar and Dilip. This question is for you, Peter, from Tim Wambu of Absa. Can -- and I do appreciate your seated right next to Anwar, the CEO of Ethiopia, very interesting question. But can the Ethiopia business realistically overtake the Kenya business at some point? And when is this achievable and what are their enablers?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#202

This is like asking Kenyan runners overtake Ethiopian runner or the other way around. I think the thing we would say is that the Kenya business in 10 years will be very different, yes. So you've seen the platforms we can use and so on and so forth. But what we do know is the size of the Ethiopia business, given that we are an entrant can be the same size as Safaricom today. What happens after that? And that is half the time that Safaricom Kenya has taken to get to where we are today. So we have a footprint or we have a business that could get to the same size as Safaricom today in half the time that Safaricom has taken. So I think that's the size of price. In terms of -- I always say from a strategic perspective, I never try and compare our businesses, because you don't want to hold one back. I would expect that Kenya would also be materially different. We should -- we could go into areas we never imagined. So I wouldn't want to get, but from a GSM and mobile money perspective, we have an opportunity to create a franchise like the one we have in Kenya in just about 10 years.

Anwar Soussa executive
#203

And if I can add to some -- if I could add to that. Safaricom PLC being the main investor, I think nobody would be happier if we become bigger than Kenya than Peter, right? So it's like there's no question as to the fact that, a, I think we're going to give Safaricom PLC a run for its money in terms of size, but I think the opportunity for PLC would -- is unfoundedly huge.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#204

All right. Thank you, Peter. Thank you, Anwar. Another question from Elizabeth of GEN Africa to you Anwar. What generation are you using in rural areas? And do you intend to use the 5G compliant equipment that you're using in cities?

Anwar Soussa executive
#205

Sorry, can you repeat that question, please?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#206

What generation are you using in the rural areas from a network rollout perspective? And do you intend to use the 5G compliant equipment?

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#207

I can answer them. Now I've been visiting Anwar from time to time. So it's the same equipment rollout all over the country. As I say, it's the latest. And that means what -- when we say 5G compliant means it's relatively easy to upgrade to support 5G when the spectrum and plans are in place, but it's the same.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#208

All right. Thank you. There's a question follow-up Bob of GEN Africa. Ethiotel installed 4G in 2015, but coverage 4G is at 2%. So that makes sense to acquire an expensive 5G network to deliver 4G where the pickup is low.

Morten Bangsgaard executive
#209

I'll try that again. So first of all, the 5G is not there yet. But when you look at the latest technology, you can use that. There are certain components when you build a new site that can do 2G, 3G and 4G. And if you buy the very latest handset actually supports 5G. There's still investment to be done as and when 5G is going to be rolled out. We need to build up a 5G antenna and a few other bits and pieces. So it's not about building a 5G network now. But because as we talked about opportunity to use the latest technology, it's a smaller job to add 5G in the later stages than if you had an older network.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#210

Thank you. Thank you very much, Morten. A number of questions online are about financial performance, some related to our half 1 performance results release, which are also available on our website. So I'll not get into that. But I'm willing to take 2 last questions from the team on the ground. Any life to last questions before we close this session. I see a hand right here. [Momoa] again from 337.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#211

My name is David [Haines] from Sterling Capital. So mine is primarily toward Anwar. With the high inflation rates of 35% in Ethiopia, I imagine that, that is affecting the affordability of devices within that region. And notably, at half year, majority of the revenues of Safaricom Ethiopia were coming in from devices, if I'm not mistaken. So could you please highlight whether there's a similar program in Ethiopia like the Lipa Mdogo program to encourage affordability and the split is between 2G, 3G and 4G devices, primarily considering that a lot of your growth is expected to come from data. If we use Kenya as at least base or a background, 80% of your data revenues, if I'm not mistaken, are coming in from 4G. So it would be interesting to know how a market like Ethiopia in its nascent stages is performing across -- with regard to the same?

Anwar Soussa executive
#212

Okay. I can answer that question, but I'd like Charles, please, if you don't mind. You're closer to that element of the business.

Charles Kairegi executive
#213

My name is Charles. So in terms of where.

Anwar Soussa executive
#214

Sorry, Charles introduce yourself.

Charles Kairegi executive
#215

Yes, my name is Charles. I work in the Safaricom Ethiopia business in the consumer business. I think for me, the -- in terms of devices, it's very clear. So look, why are consumers using Safaricom in Ethiopia is a data network experience. It's become very clear also Anwar said 1.9 GB as in the early stages. The second thing, which is also becoming very clear, there's a very high affinity for devices. There's a clear issue in terms of accessing ForEx in the country, which means actually getting a good quality affordable smartphone is a real issue. You cannot get a 4G device below $120, which is equivalent of KES 12,000 or so. So in terms of -- there's a very high affinity for people to consume data. There's a very young population. We see a very high affinity for video TikTok or YouTube. The biggest barrier that you see that we need to address is just devices. And a few things that you're doing, obviously, starting from just buying directly from manufacturers, we're able to reduce that from $120 to $80. But also we have the same ambition to say how can we get the device in Ethiopia to $50 4G because right now, you cannot get a 4G device, less than $100 to $120. So the path is to buy directly. Second is to work with the government on taxes, which Ethiotel also interested in partnering. But the third is also to do financing on a daily basis once an M-PESA comes onboard.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#216

Okay. Thank you very much. Sorry, a followup.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#217

Maybe just a small follow-up. So are you currently subsidizing? So for example, your -- I believe the losses of KES 300 million, could you into that?

Charles Kairegi executive
#218

No. We as I said, if the market is selling the devices at $120, if you buy direct you can bring and start selling at $80, you do not need to subsidize. So you are saying for now, we don't need to subsidize. And we believe the big analog come from allowing the daily payment. So as of now, we are not subsidizing.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#219

Okay. Thank you very much,. I had seen [Momoa] your hand was up?

Unknown Analyst analyst
#220

Yes. So I'm just trying to get an idea of what kind of activity a third pillar would be directed towards against the market and also look at the kind of activities Safaricom is going to be engaging in over the next 12 months. So my question is just, firstly, a clarification on your 25% coverage. Is that in March, your year-end? Or is that a year from when you launched September, is that December, the calendar year-end? And then the second, just to follow up to that is, after you get to 25% coverage, are there any other milestones that the regulator has already given you like, let's say, 50% within the next year or 40% within the next year? And then again, links to the second question is, are there any services that you're not providing now that you can provide based on any regulatory limitations after you get to the 25% coverage? And then just linked to that is on M-PESA. Do you have any view whether the regulator wants to hold off the award of your MFS license until you reach some of these milestones?

Anwar Soussa executive
#221

Okay. Thank you very much for that No. So -- let me start off with the last one. There's no indication whatsoever that the regulator wants to hold off any awards in regards to any license, not along the MFS one. In fact, both us and the government are having very good conversations, and there's a lot of goodwill to make sure that this happens as soon as possible. However, as I said earlier, we just need to make sure that [TCs] are the are there and they're clear so that there are no problems operationally moving forward. I can imagine it's like any other license, we just want to make sure that there's no grey spaces in there. So that's in regards to the MFS and whether anything is being withheld. Now for the 25%, it should be for March, April deadline. There are other -- there are other milestones that we must reach. I can't remember them to be very honest right now. But there is a very strict -- or I wouldn't call it strict, but a tight regimen of when things supposed to be doing in terms of coverage. We can get that to you very easily, okay, in terms of the milestones. However, I have to say, these were done and these were stated or given to us pre-conflict. The conflict has changed the milestones a little bit or give a little bit more -- given us a bit of more opportunity to discuss exactly where we go at certain times because the government understands as well that there are certain areas that we would find more difficult to go into. So I think there's no risk around that, to be very honest.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#222

Okay.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#223

Can I add to that? I think the posture that the regulator has also taken is to cocreate. It's a new regulator is one that is not used to a competitive market. So we -- they have been very supportive given this is an important agenda for government. It will also signal to the data operator to the extent that they come into the future about how investors are treated. So they are quite conscious about working with us. So for example, there was a conflict and disruptive business expansion. Surely, they should be able to take some of that into account. So although the milestones are there, the actual -- the actual delivery is also discussed on a regular basis in terms of progress. So the agents, we have a very regular conversation with the regulator, and they are very -- they are very much about enabling rather than purely just purely regulating.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#224

Thank you, for that question. Thank you, Peter and Anwar for those responses. Thank you, panelists, for all the questions that you've been able to address today. Thank you, investors and analysts all the questions you put across to the leadership. So that brings us to the end of the Q&A. I do appreciate we have a lot of questions on Slido, especially performance related that we have not responded. So the engagement, the online audience, our engagement with IR does not end with this meeting. So we'll be able to revert back to you on those questions. For those that are here physically, we have a lot of engagement sessions for still have an opportunity to meet our leaders and ask your questions. So with that, back to you Dilip, I'll pass. I appreciate for me all the leadership that I've been able to refer to your question as I given the session back to Dilip.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#225

Yes. And also the moderator. Let's appreciate the moderator. Yes job well done. Thank you, Caroline.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#226

Thank you. Thank you, Peter.

Dilip Pal executive
#227

Thank you, everyone. Thank you. Thank you for the questions. Thank you for the engagement throughout the day. And thank you, panelists, and those also who are sitting there for answering all those questions that we have. That's all or should we say that thank you when you say thank you we clap, right? So we're clap for them. So we have now come to the end of our session. And as we conclude our presentations and before we move the final part of the -- for those actually who are physically present here. As I said in the beginning, we'll have a speed networking, as we call it, which will be there, the places where we had launched. I would like to invite our Chief Corporate Officer, Steve Kiptinness, to come on stage and give vote of thanks. Steve?

Stephen Kiptinness executive
#228

Well, what's the day it's been. We'll finally come to the end of the formal session and what a day it's been, how much information have we gotten, how much information, how we going through. So there's quite a bit of work that has gone on to facilitate this day for you as our investors, our analysts, our media partners. And so we really do have a lot of things to communicate from us as a Safaricom team. But of course, first and foremost, I'd like to thank you, our investors, our analysts, our media partners for being here with us for honoring the invitation and taking time to come and ask us those probing questions, taking time to try and understand our business a lot more. We hope that you are satisfied with the efforts of the management team to answer some of your questions, to give you deep dives into segments of the business that are of interest to you in order to facilitate your confidence in the business. So we thank you very much, and we trust that if you have any other supplementary follow-up queries, you can engage with IR, the Investor Relations team. I'd also like to thank the Investor Relations team led by Carol for doing a splendid fantastic job in putting this together. They are a bridge to you. And without them, we wouldn't be able to do what we do. So thank you very much, Carol, to you on the entire Investor Relations team. You've done an absolutely fantastic job. I'd like to thank the brand team, the marketing team for putting all of this together, for going out and ensuring that we can have an excellent setting. I know it got a bit too hot. We're at about 30 degrees in Nairobi today, and I know the AC didn't really do us justice. Everything can't do work, but the business is working. That's what's most important, right? So thank you very much for bearing with the heat of Nairobi. We asked that you wouldn't take that as anything negative, you felt a bit too hot. But thank you very much to the branding team for the work that you've done to put this together. I'd like to thank the other Safaricom staff at the back end who have taken time they've been living here at 2 a.m. in the morning to just make sure everything is good for you, our guests, to be here and to facilitate what has been an excellent session. Of course, I'd like to thank the leadership team in Safaricom, both Kenya and Ethiopia. So thank you very much, Anwar to your team, you and the leadership team from Ethiopia for doing an excellent job. Thank you for coming here to join us. It wouldn't be the same if you were doing it virtually. Thank you to the Kenya Safaricom team for what you have put in, absolutely excellent presentations. I think that you couldn't have done any better. So well done. We'd like to thank, Raisibe who is physically here representing our directors. We know our other Board of Directors are logging in online. So thank you for participating and coming to see what your management team is doing. We hope that you are satisfied with the work that you see here today. Of course, I wouldn't be concluding without thanking the Carnivore team for hosting us. The food was excellent, I think. I think the facilities were excellent. So thank you to the Carnivore team for all the work that you've done. I also have to thank our partners, our business partners who have helped to showcase the stuff that our investors and all of you have been able to see at the different booths. So thank you very much. Have a good afternoon. This is a formal session that has just ended. But we're going to have a networking session, so please join us there. It will be an opportunity for our investors to ask any other follow-up questions to engage on one-on-one some of the other members of the management team. So thank you, and have a good afternoon.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#229

Thank you, Steve, and to our online audience. It has been a pleasure to have you here today. As we conclude, I'd like to inform you that the copies of all presentation material and the video recording from today will be posted in our website in the next few days. Please look out for these, should you want to reference some of the content from our Investor Day. Thank you once again for joining us virtually, and we wish you a good rest of the day.

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