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Safaricom PLC (SCOM) Earnings Call Transcript

July 25, 2024

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Caroline Wambugu executive
#1

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening to you all from wherever you're joining us from, and welcome to our Safaricom Ethiopia quarterly update call where we'll be briefing you on the business performance of our operations in Ethiopia. My name is Caroline Wambugu. I head the Finance Planning and Analysis team, including Investor Relations, and I'll be moderating the discussion. We have our CEO, Peter Ndegwa, who will make introductory remarks; and our CFO, Dilip Pal, who will share a brief performance overview before we open the session to field your questions. Before we kick off the session, allow me to speak to some few house rules. Please ensure that you have joined the session with your full names for ease of identification when you post your questions or comments. If you haven't, you can rename yourself now by hovering the casa over your name and clicking rename on the drop-down. Throughout this session, any questions you have for the leadership team should be shared via the Q&A tab. And at the end of your question, kindly remember to include your organization's name. And in staying committed to our promise on diversity and inclusion, a live transcript has been made available for the comfort of anyone with hearing difficulties who has joined the call. You can access this by clicking the View Transcript tab at the bottom of your Zoom application under More, then click Show Captions. This will allow you to keep up with the conversation in a more comfortable manner. Finally, and in case you require any assistance from us that is not related directly to the discussion, you can write to us via the chat platform, and the Investor Relations team will be on hand to assist you from the back end. I now welcome our CEO, Peter Ndegwa, to officially start us off with his opening remarks. Thank you, and over to you, Peter.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#2

Yes. So thank you, Caroline. And just confirm that you can hear me?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#3

We can hear you well, Peter. Please proceed.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#4

Yes. So good afternoon and good evening, everyone, who have joined us today. I can see we have just about 100 attendees joining us this afternoon or this evening. And we are very happy to be able to engage with you as we have promised on a quarterly basis on our Ethiopia business. So I'll go through just a bit of a summary and then I'll ask Dilip, as Caroline has said, to go into a CFO summary. So it's been 22 months since we launched commercial operations in Ethiopia. We've done a number of things at a high level. We've sharpened our strategic approach. We've started to redefine and evolve our business model, recognizing that this is going to be a low ARPU market in order for us to meet customer needs, but also our business model needs; and also have launched, as we announced previously, an enhanced distribution model to build accountability on the ground, to build visibility of our brand and propositions, but also to build transparency with customers and also trust. In terms of our purpose. In Ethiopia, our purpose remains to transform lives for a digital future. And our vision is to establish an innovative brand that is loved by our customers. And our intention is to build a world-class network that allows us to add customer loyalty and ensure that we are learning from the lessons since we started our operations. But the most important is to create a digital future for customers that is guided by internal values such as customer obsession, trust, respect, innovation, compliance and integrity. From a brand perspective, we want to establish a data network. We want to be seen as a -- primarily, our going-in position is to offer superior data experience. And we already see that our customers appreciate the superior customer experience we are offering and in terms of reliable connectivity and speeds. We're also positioning ourselves as an international brand for the youth, so much younger brand and have a new -- that should have shown a real affinity for data and also are most suited and actually aspire to associate with new international and more aspirational brands. As I've said, we have established ONE distribution network, both for combining our GSM, but also mobile money business. We decided not to separate distribution of both -- of the 2 propositions in order for us to have a One Customer approach, and one service approach; and a streamlined way of driving trade execution in order for us to have One Trade, so one visit that allows us to see customers once and not to differentiate between GSM and also M-PESA dealers, agents and merchants. From a network perspective, our strategy is focused on enhancing population coverage, which is important, and we have clear regulatory obligations to meet in this instance. We also want to ensure that we have critical mass in order for us to offer a seamless experience for our customers, but also deliver a network rollout that allows us to deliver at low cost in terms of cost efficiencies given the low ARPU market position -- I mean, lower ARPU market environment that we face. Sites distribution is guided, as I've said, by license obligation and geo-marketing to identify continuous socioeconomic clusters, but also population areas that we prioritize and sequence our rollout so that we start with more dense and then keep moving outwards. As you know, we've been doing both self-build, but also infrastructure sharing with Ethiotel, and we continue to do that. And our intention is instead -- I mean, in maturity, we should have around 10 to -- an 8,000 to 10,000 sites by year 10 of operations. So far, we've rolled out about 2,900 sites, and we are on track to meet our guidance for full year of approximately 3,500 sites. From a regulatory perspective, just starting with some of the areas that we've had security challenges, Amhara and Tigray. The state of emergency in Amhara region is now ended, ended sometime in mid-June. But however, we are still seeing issues on the ground with curfew and restrictions still ongoing. On a positive note, we now have resumed Internet data access or services for about 1/3 of our sites in that region. As you know, most of them are restricted for data. This, of course, has started to prove very useful in terms of revenue momentum and customer momentum. And we hope that more areas within Amhara now will be opened up. In Tigray, we have resumed network rollout and also -- and we have about 102 sites, and we launched commercial operations sometime in June. And we have been very encouraged by what we have seen since the launch. From National Bank of Ethiopia, they have launched what they call a new monetary policy framework for Ethiopia, which is geared to modernize the monetary policy framework and align it to global best practice. So the National Bank of Ethiopia launched this on the 9th of July and aims to make sure that they have low and stable and predictable inflationary environment. This includes adopting modern central bank practices and enhancing technical capacity of the NBE. In particular, they will use what they are calling a National Bank Rate, NBR, as the primary tool for signaling policy stance and influencing monetary conditions. The initial policy interest rate is now set at 15%, 1-5. The NBE is also conducting bi-weekly auctions to manage liquidity in the banking system, ensuring that the interbank market rate aligns with the NBR. And the bank has also made additional measures, including introduction of overnight lending and deposit facilities and an electronic platform for interbank money market operations. As you know, liquidity had been quite constrained. So it's good to see the NBE putting a lot more structure in the way they manage this -- in the way they use these instruments. Although this has not impacted the setting of -- the NBR has not influenced the cost of borrowing immediately, we believe and many economists believe that the cost of borrowing will gradually move to the NBR plus a margin as banks embrace the new guidance from the Central Bank. And clearly, this is important for us as we have some -- quite some borrowing so far, and we intend to continue to ensure we have local currency borrowing in the future. So this will be an area of interest for us and we'll continue watching. So I want to end there, Caroline, and hand over back to you or to Dilip.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#5

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter, for that overview. Let me now welcome our CFO, Dilip Pal, to give us an overview on performance. Dilip, over to you.

Dilip Pal executive
#6

Thank you. Thank you, Caroline. Confirm if you can hear me?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#7

Yes, we can hear you. Please proceed.

Dilip Pal executive
#8

Okay. So good morning, good afternoon and good evening from wherever you have joined. It's good to be talking to you again. Feels like yesterday when we have released our full year results and then the road shows that just finished, and then we are again talking about our quarter 1 performance update of Ethiopia. To start with, I'll give a little bit of update on the macros, which are in big part of our watch list. As you have seen, it's a bit of a mixed bag. We have inflation easing out, which is now one of the lowest level that we have seen, less than 20%, which is good. And at the highest level, we were 30% plus. So it's on a decline. The projection or prediction that we are hearing is that it's still going to be double digit, but it's going to go down. And I think another encouraging factor is on GDP growth. As you have seen, the GDP growth is accelerating. I think it's one of the best performing country in terms of the projection, it's expected to be anything between 7.5% to 8% GDP growth. The concerns, of course, remains on the currency side, it's continued. I mean, although it's a controlled currency, the -- it's depreciating, but there is also a big discussion around a potential negotiation and conclusion with IMF leading to a devaluation of currency, time line and the extent of which is still not clear. As Peter mentioned, when we were releasing our full year results, and if you have seen, we were -- on customer side, due to Amhara closure, so we got impacted by that, and we haven't seen much of growth in customers. For example, Q3 to Q4, 90-day active customers pretty much remains same or flat. But with the distribution model, which just Peter spoke about, which he mentioned to you that we are in the process of transforming our distribution model, which is now stable, and with more so the launch of Tigray in June is helping us to now see a positive traction in the customer additions. As you have seen in this quarter, we have moved from a 4.4 million -- 4.35 million to 4.57 million 90-day active customer base, which is good. And we see that the traction continues. And if you recall, one of our enabling factor for our guidance for full year for Ethiopia was based on a customer base of 7 million to 10 million. We are confident that we will reach there. And so the other area that I wanted to highlight, not so much, although we are registering a lot of customers, I think activity level for M-PESA customer is still low. And that's something -- although we're making some progress on partnerships, which are good, but the one -- this is one area where you have to do much better than what we have done. We are registering customers, but activity levels are still low. Peter mentioned about sites. I think we're also comfortable in reaching our guidance of 3,500 sites. Presently, we are about 44% of population coverage, which, as you know, with 120 million to 125 million population, is a large number of population that we have already covered. And this was clearly our strategy to make sure that we cover the population and now leverage, this is really the year of leveraging the populations that we have covered. From a revenue side, it's tracking well, mostly driven by mobile data. As you have seen, user usage is really driving the growth. Almost 80% of revenue is now coming from mobile data. And we see that it's positively reflecting on the ARPU, quarter-on-quarter ARPU as well. So CapEx, we are in line. And I think the other part is the Amhara, that 40% opening up of Amhara region on the mobile data is also going to help us in this quarter, quarter 2, in terms of accelerating mobile data even further. I think the watchout areas for us are still on macros. We are still in a hyperinflationary environment. So it will be IAS 29 will still most likely to apply in this year as well, in FY '25 as well. So we'll still be under IAS 29. And as I mentioned, the other area, which is very closely monitoring, is the devaluation. And we are developing all scenarios and also mitigations plan based on those scenarios to make sure that the impact of devaluation is minimum on the overall group performance. So Caroline, that's all I wanted to cover, and then I hand it over to you for the Q&A session now.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#9

Thank you. Thank you very much, Dilip, for that great overview. So again, I encourage us to post our questions on the Q&A tab. Thank you to those that have already started sharing with us their questions. And immediately, we shall get into it right now.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#10

I'll take questions from Tracy, Tracy Kivunyu of SBG. Tracy, thank you for your 7 questions, well received. And so, Dilip, this one is direct to you. A number of them, maybe I will give you the details off-line. But let's talk about the sites rollout. So Tracy is concerned as to why the site rollout has slowed down in the first quarter of this financial year. And as you take us through that, the second question is, has there been an increase in voice traffic post implementation of lower MTRs in the country? And the last question to you, Dilip, from Tracy is how -- has there been an update on M-PESA access to full -- to fuel payments? Actually, let me give that to you, Peter, on the fuel payment, which I'll combine with a question coming from Wesley related to the SIM. If you could please comment on the status on mobile money agency rollout, pricing model and competitive landscape. And on the latter, what would agency interoperability mean for the business if it comes to play? That is from Wesley Manambo on mobile money. Wesley is with the Standard Investment Bank. So I'll give that to you, Peter, to combine it with the fuel payment piece for M-PESA. And then Dilip, you can take the first 2. Over to you. Let's start with you, Peter -- oh, sorry, Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#11

Yes, I can start, and then I'll hand over to Peter for the rest. So Tracy, on site rollout, as I mentioned to you, so we finished, I think our closing number is about 2,800 sites. And we said during this financial year, we intend to close by 3,500 sites, which will take care of our coverage obligation as well. There is no slowdown in site rollout. I think one of the areas that we highlighted when we released our full year results that you get into a scale, so you're beginning to get into that scale, and then you want to make sure that you are commercializing your site rollout in a better way. So the transformation, the distribution and the entire product and marketing propositions are towards that. So there is no -- I mean, there is no plan for scaling back of what we already mentioned about. It's just the speed in which we originally plan, and that's what we are delivering now. As you know, we have done quite a bit of number of sites in the last financial year. So we have to make sure that those are put into commercial use alongside it's just not about the rolling out number of sites, but we also make sure that we commercialize. But we are on plan to reach to the 3,500 sites that we spoke about. I think on voice, I mentioned about mobile data, I think we are also beginning to see some positive traction on voice as well. Just to give you a number, I think our quarter 4 30-day active voice user was around 2.28 million, which was -- which has now moved to 2.7 million. So we see voice users growth faster than what we have seen in the past, which is good. And then we also see the minutes of usage per customer has also moved up from 84 minutes to now 91 minutes or 92 minutes. So we are adding more customers on the voice side, active users, and also we are seeing more usage. So just to confirm, yes, we are seeing some positive traction in voice as well. So over to you, Peter.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#12

Yes. Okay. So thank you, Tracy, and thank you for some of the questions. Yes, I think the thing is on fuel payments, still not fully on stream. We do have electricity coming through. That has now been enabled, still at a low scale, but fuel payments are still not through. The Ministry of Transport is starting to -- I mean, is developing infrastructure that will allow all partners, including M-PESA, to be able to enable all payments providers to be able to enable the fuel payments. So once that is done, we expect that both ourselves and anyone else in the industry will be able to connect and be able to get to the same level that telebirr lays in terms of enabling fuel payments. In terms of agents, yes, we continue to accelerate our rollout or recruitment of agents. Agency interoperability is not necessarily a big concern for us. I think the most important for us at this stage is making sure that we have propositions that customers or use cases that customers can go after. And that's why some of the public sector payments use cases are very, very important because once customers start to use M-PESA on a regular basis, then they will be able to carry out all the other services. Of course, the agency interoperability like we have seen in other countries coming in at some point will help, but that's not the constraint at the moment. The most important enabler of progress is to ensure that we have use cases on the payment side that customers can use on a regular basis. That's why fuel is so important.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#13

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter. Thank you very much, Dilip. There's a follow-up question here from Wesley. And I know, Dilip, you sort of alluded to the IAS 29 impact coming through even this year, but maybe just a little bit more color based on Wesley Manambo's question, which reads, on IAS 29, inflation trends signal that this might be the last financial year with hyperinflationary adjustments. Does this change your projection on the breakeven, at least from an accounting vantage point? Dilip?

Dilip Pal executive
#14

No. So as I mentioned, the timing of when we will be out of hyperinflation or IAS 29 environment is still uncertain. And there are factors which will lead to this. So I think we'll have to just watch out. So I cannot -- this year, definitely, we are in, in FY '24, definitely IAS 29. As I mentioned to you, there are inflation scenarios which could change it. But at least from our point of view, we don't see a certainty about that we are going -- we'll be out of IAS 29 after this year. But this year, for sure, based on our assessment of what the inflation is likely to be, we'll be in a IAS 29 environment for FY'25 at least.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#15

Thank you. Thank you for that, Dilip. I do have a question here from Rohit. Rohit is with the Citi. And the question is, and this is to you, Dilip, please, could you share if you plan to infuse more equity funding in Ethiopia in the near term? And any update approval for the $350 million loan from IFC?

Dilip Pal executive
#16

Yes. So Rohit, what we -- I'll start with IFC. I mean that's one of the approval that IFC has gone through their internal process, but we haven't concluded internal process from our side. So there are several considerations that we are also taking into account in terms of balancing the foreign debt versus local debt. Our focus is a lot on trying to maximize local debt based on the payment profile that we have. Having said that, that's something is always there for us to evaluate and then take an appropriate call in future. So yes, we haven't concluded either way, but IFC has done from their side, but we -- our process is still ongoing. Along with that, I think I also want to highlight to you, if you have seen the contribution from all the shareholders that has now -- in this quarter, there has been additional infusion of equity by about $164 million. So we closed FY '24 with $1.626 billion, and that has now gone up by about $164 million, which is entirely equity. So I think we have the flexibility to be able to finance through equity as well as through the debt. But as you know, we have to ensure that we are not getting into a big -- in a dollar-denominated or hard currency-denominated debt. And therefore, we are trying to make sure that we maximize as much as local debt as possible, and that's what we are doing currently.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#17

Thank you. Thank you very much, Dilip. And Peter, this is a question I'll direct to you. This is from Maximilian Sporer. Maximilian is with Mobius Capital. And the question is, are you expecting to remain the only foreign telco in Ethiopia? And why do you think the others are not pushing into that market? Peter?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#18

Yes. I think it's a great question. I think in the long term, we believe that there will be 3 players because it's a large market, 120 million people. So you'd expect in the fullness of time, there will be 3 players. However, we've always been signaling in the recent past that because the government has tried a couple of times and not been successful in attracting credible third player to bid for the market -- for the third license, we do not believe that it will come through in the next -- in the foreseeable future, first, because the funding environment have been constrained globally from a financial market perspective, and we didn't expect that there's anyone who would come in at this time. Having said that, we also believe that should we be very successful, then that will also be an attractive -- an attraction criteria for a third player. And the proxies will be how is the regulatory environment going, what are the ARPUs in the market, how is the government dealing with the FX issue, whether it's a devaluation or not, and also how is the security situation. Security, to a large extent, has always been known, but the other 2 factors, I think, will be a consideration. And so at the moment, we don't see the likelihood that it will come, but at some point in the future, certainly, we believe it will. I think the third component is that the government needs also to make a decision as to the future of investment into Ethiotel because they have already signaled a strategic investor coming in there. To some extent, that also will be a signal to how the telecommunication industry is developing, and that also will influence how a third player comes and the timing of it.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#19

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter, for that. I see your question, Alessandra David, asking for a breakdown of the M-PESA services by segment. So that one, I'll take it off-line. We'll be able to share that with you. We'll share with you that breakdown for M-PESA by segment. So Dilip, I'll direct these questions to you from Danesh, Danesh of Franklin Templeton. What is the current black market rate on the birr? And the second question is, what percentage of population is represented by the Amhara and Tigray region? And would these regions be or have lower ARPU than current average? And the last question from Danesh is, in your scenario planning, what changes the breakeven year? Dilip?

Dilip Pal executive
#20

Okay. So I will start with the first one, which is the unofficial market rate. It is anything between what we hear is 110 -- around 110 compared to, say, the official rate of about 56, 57. So it's pretty much double that of what the official rate is. So the unofficial market had not moved much. But as you know, even the official market, the control depreciation is happening, but it's happening at a much slower pace, 3%, 4%. I think 5%, 6% year-over-year is very, very small. On population, I think Amhara -- so I don't have the exact number, but from our perspective, our network footprint is close to 20%, 25% of our network footprint is in Amhara, so -- which is what was, as I mentioned to you in the beginning, that was causing -- because we are not -- our main proposition is mobile data. And when Internet is off, so basically, we are not only losing our existing customers, but also new customers don't have necessarily a proposition, much proposition. So that's with the 1/3 of the sites being enabled now with mobile data, that is likely to have a positive impact. From an ARPU perspective, the -- yes, I think Tigray ARPU, what we are observing is slightly lower than, of course, what we have seen in the other markets. It's mainly driven by -- we see a lot of traction on the voice, and it's also a function of the devices. So the device ecosystem, the penetration of the smartphone is lower than what we see in other markets. So in one way, it is accelerating voice, but also, I think, one thing to acknowledge that the ARPUs are slightly lower. I think from a breakeven perspective, let's wait and see what happens because devaluation has many scenarios, yes? So of course, I think a moderate devaluation may not change materially, but then -- I mean I'm saying moderate day 1 impact -- or day 1 devaluation may not change materially. But then if it is stiffer and then how that plays out, I think we need to come back to you and show you based on that. But it could change the breakeven beyond what we said, which is also FY '26, if the devaluation is stiff. Back to you, Caroline.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#21

Thank you. Thank you very much, Dilip, for that. So I'll take a question here from Kishan. Kishan is with MIT, and this is again to you, Dilip. And he says, just to piggyback on the guidance, is there any changes to EBITDA breakeven forecast for FY '26 and the 15 million to 20 million customers that we guided in May? Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#22

So on EBITDA guidance, as I was saying, so good to hear from you. Okay, I haven't heard from you, but I have your question, Kishan. The only uncertainty that what we have is devaluation, and the extent of devaluation can change. And that's why I'm saying, right now, what we -- we don't have any time line, that's quite uncertain, and also the extent of devaluation. Otherwise, what you are saying is that based on the assumptions that we have made, the FY '26 breakeven remain unchanged. What was the second part? Sorry, Caroline, there was a second part?

Caroline Wambugu executive
#23

So the second part is on the customers, the 15 million to 20 million 90-day active customers, yes.

Dilip Pal executive
#24

No, so on customers, I think there are 2 parts to it, Kishan. One is the GSM customers, I think we are cruising quite well. And although probably the numbers are not still showing up because it takes time to come to get -- to reflect into the customer addition numbers. So we'll see. I think we're confident at this time the customer numbers we'll achieve, 15 million to 20 million number that we talked about as a scaled operations. That's on the GSM side. I think the one which is -- are not as per plan, which I mentioned about on the M-PESA side, we are registering customers, but the activity level is low. So we may have registered customers, but not necessarily leading to -- I mean, that's the only area I wanted to highlight, but otherwise, I think we are quite confident at this time based on the pace that we are seeing now with the distribution model change, with the Tigray launch, which is what we are also going to enhance with further rollouts in Tigray because we are seeing good momentum. And 1/3 of Amhara now opened up, so we will also accelerate our gross adds. So we are quite confident. So Peter, I don't know if you want to add anything, any flavor to -- on the commercial part of it based on what Kishan has asked on the question.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#25

Yes. I think, Dilip, you've explained it, so devaluation and from a breakeven. But customers, I think it is material areas of the country being insecure because what we have noticed is that you can't launch sites, you can't recruit customers, you can't activate. So it's very positive, although we had assumed that Amhara will come back this year, it's very positive that Amhara is starting to come back. So hopefully, we have the balance of 2/3 to -- 2/3 coming back. So we have about 1/3 to 40% already on. So if we can have the other 2/3, that would put us on track. So those are the -- that is the primary thing that would affect our customers. I think one of the elements that we have not spoken about and we are -- so I'll speak about it now, is what's happening to the regulatory side. We had some very positive moves with the MTRs being reduced to 0.23, which allows us to price, especially across net, a bit more affordable propositions for customers. And then the second thing is the declaration of Ethiotel assets MP. However, the effective -- the effect of that declaration has still not come to life. The MTR, we have started billing at the new rate. We hope that, that is bedded down and continues to be the case. And we hope there is more progress because today, there is still quite a bit of discrimination between on- and off-net for Ethiotel. So they have a proposition for on-net customers and proposition for off-net customers, which in most markets where you are an SMP, you would not be allowed to distinguish between the 2. So should that be dealt with in the future, that would be quite an important win for us.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#26

Thank you. Thank you, Dilip. Thank you, Peter. I'll take the next set of questions from Matthew, Matthew of Confluence Impact Fund. The first question, I'll request Peter that you respond on it. It reads, can you give color on the financial services currently offered under M-PESA Ethiopia? The second question is with respect to the ARPU for M-PESA Ethiopia. And for this one, Matthew, I think I will just say, let's wait until half year. We are just 10 months in from an M-PESA perspective in Ethiopia. So the numbers are still pretty small. So you will not see that disclosure in the quarterly, but let's look out for what we shall share with you as at half year. The third question, I'll request Dilip, if you could respond on how many towers are utilizing solar or solar and battery as backup versus generator? Just some color around that. If we could start with you, Peter, on M-PESA services.

Peter Ndegwa executive
#27

Yes. Can I ask Dilip for you to respond to that one, the M-PESA makeup? That would be useful. Yes.

Dilip Pal executive
#28

Yes. I think, Caroline, as you shared the activity on M-PESA, I think that you all probably -- you can share with others as well, which will help. I think from a headline perspective, as I said, activity levels are still very low. The biggest use case that we see in M-PESA today is airtime recharge, which is very easy. So we have -- as you know, this has been one of the big success stories as well when we launched in Kenya. So most of our -- I mean, in Kenya, more than 80% of our airtime recharge happens through M-PESA. So that's something that we are very hopeful and very positive about, and customers are finding that easy to carry out activities. So I think we have all the services. We have P2P services, we have withdrawal and we have started recruiting merchants. And we also have merchant payments, what you call the Lipa na M-PESA Buy Goods or Paybill. The one which is now in work in progress and the timing of launch, I think we'll hear about this other -- the lending and other services. I think lending services is something that we believe have opportunities based on what we have seen on the airtime credit set. So we have airtime credit product, as you know, which we have in Kenya, and we launched it in Ethiopia as well. We see very good traction on airtime credit proposition. So given that uptake, we believe as and when we launch lending products, we will also have a very good traction. I think the other ones, which are the solutions for the big public sector like the one which we're just talking about, still in process, which is fuel payments and other solutions that will come along the way. So as I was mentioning before, we are in the process of registering customers and trying the services that we have, trying to see which one is what customers find it more -- there is something that they find it more interesting, they find it more usable, they find it more values. I think that's what will take us to the next level in terms of financial services offering. I think on towers, all -- pretty much most of our sites are on grid power, and grid power in Ethiopia is quite stable and also quite affordable. I mean I think we did mention about it in the past. I mean the rate at which we pay in Kenya compared to what we pay in -- is much higher, I think 5, 6x higher than what you pay in Ethiopia. So it's quite cheap. And then I don't have exactly the number of towers that we have on solar, but DG, the generator is always based on if you have stable power and if you have solar, normally, you try not to put generators. Generator is always like a more of a backup, option B. But I don't have the exact numbers, but we can find that out and send it to you, Caroline, through you on the number of towers that we have solar.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#29

Sure. And thank you, Dilip. Yes, so we'll be able to share that additional detail with you, Matthew, and thank you for your question. So the other question I have here is from Funeka Maseko. And Funeka Maseko, you're asking whether we can -- how we can explain what is driving the decline in handset revenue? And I think this was a similar question also asked by Tracy. So maybe just for context, as we look at these numbers, remember that we do have a conversion aspect as you do your variances year-on-year because it's converted at the rate -- the ruling rates at the period of reporting. So -- and that's why we've disclosed for you the exchange rates in each for the different quarters. So you will find a good portion of that is actually explained by the exchange rate because now we have a lower translation rate in this particular financial quarter, and that helps to explain the decline. There is still a small decline nonetheless, which, of course, is based on the trading activities on the ground, but a good component of it is actually explained by exchange rates. So bear that in mind even as you review the numbers as it were. So thank you for your question, Funeka. So I'm asking that we please post our questions. I see we have almost exhausted all the questions that we have. But I'll ask Dilip to please respond to one more question here from Wesley Manambo, even as I request us to please post our questions. And Wesley is asking, does the funding status of $ 1.9 billion, the shareholder funding that we have disclosed at full year, imply that the $1 billion to $1.3 billion CapEx plan is well covered? If so, what happens with the surplus? So maybe just a little clarity around shareholder funding and the CapEx spend to date.

Dilip Pal executive
#30

Yes. So thank you. Thank you, Wesley. I think I remember, shareholder funding also includes $1 billion that we spent for the license, right, $850 million plus $150 million. So you have to take that into account as you, I mean, reconcile these 2 numbers. So there is no -- I mean it just -- the CapEx is a CapEx which is what we're putting in the sites and other -- the base stations and other CapEx that we are putting in place. So it does cover based on the funding plan that we have shared. But remember, funding, the number that you have seen is that does include the license funding that we have done.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#31

Thank you. Thank you, Dilip. So we have another question here from [ Moama ]. Moama is asking, have the ARPU assumptions that fed into your year 4 breakeven guidance changed from the ARPU assumptions that you have now? So Moama, I see you're trying to get some insight around the assumptions for breakeven. So Dilip, if you could please address that one.

Dilip Pal executive
#32

No, nothing has changed, Moama. It is -- I mean, we have our customer assumption, number of customers assumption and also we have our ARPU assumptions. All that I can tell you is that we are tracking. We are in line with what we have assumed. So nothing more than that. So yes, so it's -- there is nothing else that I can share with you. It's checking in line with what we have assumed.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#33

Thank you. Again, I still request us to post questions. We do have time to engage with Peter and Dilip on this call. So we have the time to ensure we get as much information as possible from our leaders. So please post your questions. I acknowledge receiving your question, Tim. Tim is asking -- actually, let me read out as it is. So "Dear Team Safaricom, I was kind of expecting to hear from Wim, your Ethiopia CEO, as well on this call. He's always great at communicating with investors, and I assume that he must have had other commitments and that all is okay with him." I confirm, Tim, that Wim is well and he is okay wherever he is. He would have loved to be on the call, but we do, of course, also have our CFO and the team from Ethiopia on this call. But he is well. Unfortunately, something just came up last minute that he needed to attend to, critical engagement also on the side of Ethiopia. And so that's the reason he's not with us on the call. And for that reason, just confirming that he is very well, and I must say he would have really loved to be here. So thanks for acknowledging him in that regard. Okay. So I'll take another set of questions from Wilson. Wilson Wariari, I see your questions. Thank you for that. And your -- okay, so the question reads, to build on the question from Danesh on birr, a staff-level agreement between IMF and Ethiopia on a $10.5 support program has been agreed and to be signed imminently. If an agreement is reached on a partial devaluation and accrual pegged exchange rate as the Ethiopian government is believed to favor, how would it shape out or change your breakeven view? Any model analysis of the 2 you have done that you can share? That is Wilson of Arvocap. I'll request, Dilip, if you could respond to this question on partial devaluation and how that impacts our breakeven view. Dilip.

Dilip Pal executive
#34

Yes. So I thought I have answered that in the beginning of -- in my opening statements of we are aware of the discussions, but we're also aware that the discussion has not yet been concluded. And the uncertainty is around the timing of announcement of devaluation and also the extent of devaluation. And that is why I mentioned that we are developing scenarios. And based on those scenarios, I think at an appropriate time, we'll also inform you what does that mean when we hear what kind of devaluation is happening. Because there are many factors of devaluation, how does that impact inflation? How does that impact interest? It's just not about devaluation. You have seen Peter mentioned about the National Bank of Ethiopia's endeavor towards more modern central bank monitoring system. So it comes with a lot more what I call that as interventions along with the -- so it's just not about devaluation, devaluation with the interventions from the Central Bank and government and also now what does that mean for us in terms of implication and what do we mitigate. What we did tell you before was, definitely, there is a day 1 impact, as we call, based on the extent of devaluation. And one of our major factor that will impact our day 1 impact is basically the IFC loan that we have the disbursement that has met the $100 million equivalent. That's really the major amount. And then we're also looking at because it's the interest that we pay, the -- we have moratorium or we are not repaying. So there is an opportunity for us to see that while we'll not be able to avoid the day 1 impact on income statement, what we are trying to build scenarios to ensure that the cash flows are not impacted based on the intervention that we are doing. So I think this is a big topic, and I would rather not give any premature, what I would say, premature information or guidance around this until we conclude this in a more comprehensive way. And definitely, we'll let you know. We keep having our calls every 3 months. And I am sure if there is anything happens that are material, and we'll have no hesitation in having a separate call with all our analysts and investors to update you what's happening on this. So I believe at this point in time, say, there are scenarios we are developing. There are uncertainties around the extent of devaluation and the timing of devaluation. So that's where I would leave this conversation at this point in time.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#35

Thank you. Thank you very much, Dilip, for that. So I see no further questions. So I only have one question on my queue. If you'd still want to post your question, this is a good time to do so. But allow me to request Dilip to answer this question from Tracy, even as I request Peter to come back with his closing remarks if there will be no other questions post Dilip's response. So Tracy is asking Dilip, what is your average interest rate for local borrowings? Yes, what is the average interest rate for local borrowings?

Dilip Pal executive
#36

Yes. So I mean, we haven't given -- Tracy, we haven't given necessarily an average rate cutting. I can tell you, so we have a mix of the short-term working capital loan and then also converted some of them to settle longer-period loan. So the interest rates are quite attractive for us. This is not those -- I mean we have ranges between 9% to 12%. So we have a loan which is 9% to covering up to 12%. But just remember what Peter mentioned about the NBE's recent endeavor to modernize this whole interest rate regime, and they are now bringing in something similar to what we call the Central Bank rate. So we don't know how long that will take because it's just not that you introduce something and that's how it will fall. But there is that possibility that if that falls in place, the way it works in other markets, it will also work in the similar way. So interest rate could go up if it becomes a point that you have the Central Bank rate and plus a spread. But that's for future, but we don't -- we haven't seen any movement in our interest rates post the announcement by NBR. We -- as I said, we have varying rates and quite competitive rates, what we have now.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#37

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Dilip, for that. Thank you for your questions. So I see a question here from Linet. Linet is with Absa. And I'll request that Peter, you respond to this question. Please share an update on the device assembly program and initiatives to lower smartphone costs or boost penetration in Ethiopia. Peter?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#38

Yes. Yes, so Linet, it was the next question, is it? Yes? Yes. So Linet, you're right, one of -- we had -- although the initial forecast was always going to be Kenya, establish the device assembly in Kenya, make it work for Kenya, ensure we resolve all the issues and then open it up to the neighboring region and neighboring countries using the trading block EAC and COMESA, which Ethiopia is part of it. So we are still going through that process. The issue with Ethiopia and could be resolved in one way or another through devaluation is the differential between official and parallel rates complicates trading. So -- but we do believe that in time, we will be able to have a way of being able to use the device assembly in Kenya to export into Ethiopia. We are also -- we've also learnt a lot about how to optimize how we assemble the devices, and we are already seeing some benefit to the Kenyan market. And therefore, that will eventually benefit Ethiopia, subject to that currency should be resolved. So -- and also currency and also liquidity for that matter.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#39

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter. So Tarek, I do see your question. Tarek is with 337 Frontier. And I know you're asking about the churn rates. Allow me to get back to you on that one. We can provide you with that information on churn rates. There being no other questions, investors, allow us to bring then the call to an end. And before we do so, I'll request that Peter shares with us his closing remarks, then we'll be able to release us to our other activities. Peter?

Peter Ndegwa executive
#40

Thank you. Thank you, Caroline, and thank you, everyone. I think it's been a good call. We will keep the promise of engaging you every quarter. I think it was Tim who asked about Wim. Wim is very well, actually running the business extremely well. I was there 2 weeks ago, and we are very excited about the launch in Tigray. The team there is very, very excited, looking very good. The opening up of Amhara is also extremely positive, that some of the positive initial moves by the regulator in May is also showing some progress, and we hear there is probably more to come into the future. I think the other thing that we would have told you is that we have seen momentum starting to build in that business in the past couple of months. So whilst we started softly, and actually, it was also related to the fact that we were launching a new distribution model, we were talking to government about resolving some of the issues in the market. We are starting to see momentum around customer growth. Data continues to do the right things. As Dilip signaled, M-PESA is the only area where we need more traction on the propositions, on the proposition side. I think there was a question on network and whether we are slowing it down. We are very deliberate to make sure that we are only launching in areas where we believe we can commercialize. And there has been some holdback, especially in areas where security considerations are a problem. So we are pragmatic in the way we think about it. Given the population coverage, we are not running out of network. So the main effort is actually really to accelerate customer acquisition and commercialize propositions that work for our customers. So I'm feeling a lot better now than I felt -- I'm feeling much more positive now than I felt 3 months ago. That doesn't mean we are going to change our guidance; it remains the same. But just it means that I think we are more confident about the guardrails that we gave as far as guidance is concerned. So fantastic to talk to all of you. I'm looking forward to engaging you at the half year. And should a major issue or milestone like devaluation comes through, I'm sure we'll call -- we'll give you a very specific briefing and with implications on our business, both this year and into the future. But thank you very much for the call. And over back to you, Caroline.

Caroline Wambugu executive
#41

Thank you. Thank you very much, Peter, for those very strong closing remarks. Thank you very much, Dilip, for the engaging session. Again, once again, thank you for all of us for joining us in today's session. It was wonderful engaging with you. We shall get back to those that we have promised to get back to, but feel free to reach out to us should you have any other follow-up questions on our usual platforms. Otherwise, good day and stay blessed. Thank you.

Dilip Pal executive
#42

Thank you.

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