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Superloop Limited (SLC) Earnings Call Transcript

February 21, 2024

Australian Securities Exchange AU Communication Services Diversified Telecommunication Services earnings 43 min

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Operator operator
#1

Welcome, everyone, to the Superloop Half Year 2024 Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Paul Tyler, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Paul Tyler executive
#2

Thanks very much, and welcome all to Superloop's first half FY '24 results. I'm Paul Tyler. And with me, I have Dean Tognella, our CFO. It was a very eventful half and we've got a lot to cover. So I'll jump straight in. We move to Slide 3 and we'll start with some highlights for the half. So I'd remind everyone that FY '24 represents the first year of our new 3-year plan, which we creatively named our Double Down strategy. Delighted to report that we started with clear momentum in that first year. So at greater than 32% year-on-year growth, our revenue growth remains well above market. Encouragingly, we saw that growth coming from all 3 segments. Also pleasing was the fact that this revenue growth was predominantly organic. The revenue growth obviously stemmed from customer additions, with net customer numbers up 38% with total customer numbers across all 3 segments, just passing the 400,000 customer mark. Our investments in our Infrastructure-on-Demand platform, encompassing network and systems is now showing strong operating leverage, which is evident in the significant growth of EBITDA at over 80% year-on-year. We also delivered another very strong result in operating cash flow with greater than 100% conversion from underlying EBITDA. As we continue to grow, we maintain our view that this conversion rate will settle at around the 80% to 90% conversion over the midterm. Then go to Slide 4. And digging into these highlights a little further. Obviously, the momentum we are showing with the organic revenue growth across all 3 segments, together with the expanding margins is very encouraging for the company's operating model. In the Consumer segment, we had a blockbuster half with record organic net adds of over 34,000 and revenue growth of over 50%. Our positioning as a high-performance yet value product is resonating with customers as cost-of-living pressures are felt ever greater. The Business segment has added valuable, profitable long-term contracted revenues. And pleasingly, this segment continues to maintain its 40% midterm gross margin ambition. In the Wholesale segment, we had stellar results in sales. In fact, our best ever half for new sales orders. A key Wholesale client win being that of the 5-year exclusive deal with AGL, adding in excess of $31 million of TCV. We've discussed many times our expectation of the growth of the [ Challengers ] segment, in particular, that of the nontraditional brands and our expectation that this Challengers segment would expand to in the order of 30% collective market share. In first half '24, we saw this Challengers segment continue to take share, which now collectively represents in the order of 17% of the market. Our progress in Consumer, together with wins in Business and Wholesale provide great proof points for our ambition to be the leading enabler of this Challengers segment. Strong revenue growth is, of course, encouraging. But just as importantly, though, we've made good strides in reducing our cost to acquire and our cost to serve. Revenue growth, operating leverage and disciplined cost control are all evident in our underlying EBITDA, which increased by 83% year-on-year. And as mentioned, our strong focus on cash flow delivered a net operating cash flow of $23.7 million in the first half. And pleasingly, we've been able to maintain our net free cash flow positive position for the half as well. Our cash flow generation and our conservative debt levels leave us with ample capacity to continue growing the business in the future. Slide 5, please. So in putting the half's revenue and EBITDA performance in the context of multiple periods, a consistent and encouraging trend momentum is evident. As mentioned, in contrast to some previous periods, where growth was supported through M&A, the momentum evident in today's result is predominantly organic. [ Move to ] Slide 6 please. That trend is also evident when broken into our 3 operating segments. Whilst Consumer was particularly strong at greater than 50% versus PCP, there has been consistent revenue growth across all segments. Perhaps even more importantly, though, is this growth has been delivered without sacrificing gross margins in any of the segments. Slide 7. Revenue growth was, of course, underpinned by customer growth. In the first half, we added over 40,000 new customers, all organic and representing our best-ever quarter for organic growth. The Consumer segment added more than 34,000 new customers and our share of new nbn orders or our share of nbn new orders was 7.9% in the half, which results in a market share gain for the Superloop Group of around about 0.4%, taking us to 3.5% in total. Business also had a good half, with a net increase of 6,800 customers, increasing the total to an excess of 95,000 customers for that segment. Slide 8. So sustained investment in our brand has been a key focus of the business in recent times. We're now starting to reap the rewards of that investment with growing awareness of the group in the market. That investment has seen the refreshed Superloop brand appearing in digital, print, radio, TV and elsewhere. In tracking the outcomes from that investment, we've seen that we've doubled our brand awareness over the last 12 months. We're seeing a strong conversion of brand awareness to consideration and then on to preference. And finally, we're getting cut through in the market as an ISP that is different to other Internet providers, has competitive rates and is value for money. Slide 9. As I said, FY '24 represents the first year of our new 3-year Double Down strategy. That's a strategy where we have the ambition to double our revenue to over $700 million with a balanced contribution from all 3 segments. The 3 pillars of this strategy are centered on organic growth, cost leadership and disciplined M&A. This slide represents a bit of a scorecard on how we're performing against that plan or how we performed against that plan in the first half of '24. As you can see, we're happy the plan is tracking to or even slightly ahead of expectation. Slide 10. This slide is not new. It does, however, serve as a reminder of our portfolio and our operating model. We have 3 distinct operating segments, and underpinning that is our great infrastructure, which remains significantly underutilized. We've been able to profitably extend our offerings across all 3 segments through the extensive use of digitization and automation, delivering one of the most compelling product sets in the industry for our chosen market segments. And looking at Slide 11, again, at the risk of repetition, one of our major points of difference remains our extensive investment in the underlying infrastructure that supports all 3 of our segments. Connectivity and bandwidth requirements continue to grow, and we're very well placed to deliver high-quality value-for-money services for our customers. And with that, I'll hand to Dean to dig a bit more into the financial performance.

Dean Tognella executive
#3

Thank you, Paul. Slide 13. It's great to be presenting Superloop's financial results for the first time. I will step you through our high-level results before going into more detail. As previously noted by Paul, the Superloop Group revenue and EBITDA results demonstrate we are progressing well on our 3-year strategy. Revenue growth has been strong with 32.7% growth. This revenue growth was achieved with contributions across all segments. However, Consumer is worth highlighting. The organic revenue growth in the Consumer segment contributed significantly to the group revenue growth. Overall, the group delivered gross margin of $68.7 million. And this represents an increase of $19.2 million or 38.9%. The group GM percentage increased by 1.9% to 35.3%. The pleasing group revenue and margin expansion demonstrates we are successfully scaling our business. Operating expenses increased by 21.7%, including a 31.4% increase in marketing. This increase of 21.7%, being below the 32.7% increase in revenue and other income. Operating expenses, excluding marketing and doubtful debts has declined as a percentage of revenue, which is pleasing and highlights our increasing efficiency. Underlying EBITDA increased by $10.5 million to $23 million, an 83.3% increase. The EBITDA margin also increased to 11.8%. Our ambition for group EBITDA margin is to achieve mid- to high teens within the 3-year strategy, and we are progressing well. Before we move from EBITDA, I would like to confirm there's a detailed explanation between underlying and statutory EBITDA at Page 26 in the group income statement. Notably, the underlying EBITDA excludes Symbio transaction costs of $1.8 million and noncash expense associated with the accounting treatment of the VostroNet acquisition of $5.6 million. The VostroNet adjustment was also disclosed in the second half '23 results. I would also like to highlight the positive NPATA in the half of $1.2 million. The company has been NPATA positive in the last 2 half-year results. Further details are provided in the appendix. At the bottom line level, the net loss after income tax reduced by $3 million to $18.7 million, reflecting the improving company results. Lastly, I'd like to highlight the $9.1 million improvement in free cash flow. In the half, Superloop generated free cash flow of $12.5 million. I'll now move to the next slide and provide some further commentary around gross margins. Overall, the group delivered gross margin of $68.7 million, and this represents an increase of $19.2 million or 38.7%. The group GM percentage increased by 1.9% to 35.3%. The pleasing thing is that the group continues to enjoy a well-diversified split of gross margin across the 3 customer segments. The overall increase reflects good profit growth in the Consumer and Business segments. The wholesale margin growth has been more subdued, but we expect this to be a timing issue as the first half exceptional new order performance begins to deliver revenue contribution in the second half and beyond. Turning to Slide 15. In the left graph, you will see that OpEx, excluding doubtful debts and marketing as a percentage of revenue has dropped from 21% to 18.2%. In achieving this, you can now see we have more than 50% of the Superloop team offshore. We have been able to meet market conditions for Australian-based staff and blend our average cost per employee down through increased utilization of our offshore teams, but it's not simply about offshoring. We are continuing to focus on a number of initiatives that are designed to press home our competitive advantage as a low-cost provider, not least of which is the digital transformation program that continues to improve our buying journeys and reduce inbound call volumes. We have an operating model that can enable our growth and which is delivering operating cost leverage. Turning to Slide 16. In the half, cash flow from operations was $23.7 million and Superloop was free cash flow positive with $12.5 million of free cash flow. I know that underlying EBITDA to operating cash conversion has been a key focus for many investors. During the half, our conversion was strong, just over 100%. In the past, we have commented that we would expect operating cash flow to EBITDA conversion rate to be in the 80% to 90% range moving forward. This remains our view. In the half, our cash outflow from investing activities was $11.2 million. For the full year, our CapEx remains on track to between $20 million to $22 million for the financial year '24. From a debt perspective, the business is very conservatively geared. Our current leverage ratio is 0.2x, and we will continue to operate at disciplined debt levels. We have a net debt of $8.1 million and have sufficient debt capacity to continue our impressive disciplined growth strategy. I'll now hand back to Paul to provide more details on our segment performance.

Paul Tyler executive
#4

Thanks, Dean. So on Slide 18. So if I just touch on some of the segment highlights. As we've mentioned already, we had a cracking result in Consumer in both subscribers and in revenue. Consumer revenue was up 50% -- greater than 50% to $119 million as we continued to grow our nbn market share, which now is 3.5% and increasing. Gross margin was 28.4%, comfortably above our midterm 25% target for the segment. We're getting great results with the high speed, greater than -- or 100 [ megs ] and above market, which drives up our ARPU and increases our margins. Our overall share of new nbn orders for the half was 7.9%, which helped drive our market share increase from 3.1% to 3.5% by the end of the half, and we expect these market share gains to continue into the second half. Slide 19. So highlighting 3 particular trends in Consumer. We saw 58% of our new activations were on those high-speed plans, that being 100 megs and above, which far exceeds the mix in our base of 44% and obviously well above the broader nbn market of just 28%. This is driving increased revenue and gross margin per user. So we're not just adding customers, we're successfully adding the high-value customers. Marketing investment is delivering volume growth and improved unit cost to acquire, which was about 1/3 lower than in the prior comparable period. And finally, we've been talking for several years about the trend of Challengers taking market share. As I said, this is now currently sitting around a collective 17%, but we maintain our vision of this Challengers segment continuing to grow towards the 30% vision that we believe is its natural share. Slide 20. Whilst perhaps a bit overshadowed by the Consumer segment, the performance of the Business segment was also very credible for the half. Revenue was up 9.2% and gross margins maintained above the 40% target for the second consecutive quarter. We saw some marquee customer wins, particularly -- particular call out to our Smart Communities team where we've established ourselves as a leading provider, perhaps the leading provider in the build to rent space, having on large opportunities with Mirvac and Investa. This area continues to be -- this area continues to build strongly and our growing pipeline will support growth in future years. And Slide 21. Wholesale also had a record sales half with new sales orders worth greater than $9 million of recurring revenue annually, which is all expected to be live by the start of FY '25. The half included Superloop's largest ever win being AGL, and we're thrilled to be working with AGL as they deliver broadband to their large and growing customer base. Revenue for the half was up 5% or 5.3% and margins just slightly below our 60% midterm target. We're really at an inflection point in Wholesale with the half 1 sales performance setting us up strongly for growth in FY '25 and beyond. Slide 22. I just want to highlight the AGL deal specifically. It was truly a fantastic win, the largest ever sales win for Superloop. We estimate it will contribute between $4 million and $5 million of revenue in FY '25 at our typical wholesale gross margins with volumes growing over the 5-year term. There's limited additional CapEx or OpEx required to deliver the deal, and it should positively impact overall margins for the segment. That's all I was going to say on the segments. So if I move to Slide 24, we'll touch on the outlook. So building on a great first half, we're encouraged to see those strong trading conditions continuing as we move into the second half of FY '24. The company added around 9,000 net additions in consumer in January alone. We're seeing a strong pipeline of opportunities across Business and Wholesale as well. With that, we're affirming our FY '24 guidance for underlying EBITDA of between $49 million and $53 million. We're affirming our CapEx range of between $20 million and $22 million, including spend on realizing AGL deal. We are continuing to also take an active but disciplined approach to exploring M&A opportunities. So with that, we will hand over to questions.

Operator operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Nick Harris from Morgans.

Nick Harris analyst
#6

Congratulations. Very impressive free cash flow growth there. So to call it out well done. I've got a few questions. I might just shoot them one at a time, if that's all right. Just the first one. There's some restructuring costs in Business. Could you just elaborate? I think it might relate to moving some stuff offshore. But could you just talk about, I guess, what that relates to? And does that give us some cost savings in the second half or just [ so that I can ] unpack it a little bit? And then I'll ask the next one after you've answered that, it's probably the easiest.

Dean Tognella executive
#7

Yes. Thank you for the question. Yes, in November, December, we had a look at continuing to drive our efficiency. So there was around about 20 to 25 heads left in second quarter, and it was just a continuing program of driving efficiency. It wasn't necessarily all as resources going offshore. Combination of that and just being more efficient in terms of spans and layers and driving a better performance.

Nick Harris analyst
#8

Got you. So some of that system refresh that you did as well helping do things more efficiently. Got it. Excellent. And just the nbn net adds just keep getting better and better, so well done on that. Just a couple of questions. Is it mostly in the Superloop brand? I know you've called out the high-speed plans where you're clearly massively over indexing. But just curious, are you seeing some growth in Exetel brand as well. And then, I guess, the next 2 parts to the nbn side as well. Just the churn, has that moved at all in the last 12 months? And then the final bit was just, obviously, you've added 9,000 subs in January, which is another record. How are you thinking about your sales and marketing spend in the second half? Like if you can keep adding more customers at a lower cost to acquire, I would have thought you'd be bidding [ trying to ] want to chase some more because it's clearly a good spend. So just your thoughts around that, please.

Paul Tyler executive
#9

Well, I've got a lot of thoughts around that, Nick. Firstly, the 2 brands. So we maintain a 2-brand strategy deliberately and both brands are growing. Of course, Superloop is growing faster, where we spend the vast bulk of our marketing investment in supporting the Superloop brand. But Exetel continues to perform in its particular segment. That was one part of the question. You asked about ongoing investment plans. Yes, I mean we're a growth business, and we generate cash. We have a very under levered balance sheet. So we have the capacity to continue to invest for growth. You can see that our marketing investment is increasing year-on-year. And we -- whilst we get the return that we're currently getting, we will continue to invest. So you can expect that our kind of elevated level of marketing investment that you saw in the first half will continue during the second half when we -- whilst we're maintaining the return that we're getting.

Dean Tognella executive
#10

The other question was churn. So we're happy with our churn levels. We continue to work on programs to reduce the churn, but we're happy with them. We also believe we're acquiring higher ARPU customers, so the ones going on the higher speed tiers. So we're hopeful also we'll see better churn associated with those particular types of families that we're targeting.

Nick Harris analyst
#11

And again, congratulations on the free cash flow. It's great to see.

Paul Tyler executive
#12

Thanks.

Operator operator
#13

Your next question comes from the line of Bob Chen from JPMorgan.

Bob Chen analyst
#14

Just a couple of questions from me. The build to rent opportunity, can you sort of give us a little bit more color on how big that opportunity could be and financially, what that could potentially look like going forward?

Paul Tyler executive
#15

Well, built to rent is part of our broader on-net access strategy. So within that space, we provide managed Wi-Fi historically for quite some time, as you know, into that sort of the tertiary accommodation sector. We've been moving more recently into the world of FTTP or fiber to the premises and that can cover build to rent or build for sale, can be MDUs -- sorry, multi-dwelling units or broad acre. So build to rent is just one part of that broader market opportunity that we see as significant. And we believe we really have a leading -- I actually think the leading portfolio to address that opportunity in the future. In terms of the market size for build to rent specifically, I don't have that data at hand. We'll come back to you because I know we do have it in the business. But it's a rapidly growing part of the market as build to rent becomes much more a vogue part of the real estate market, as you know. I haven't given you a specific answer on that, Bob, but I will come back to you directly with that.

Bob Chen analyst
#16

Yes. No, that's fine. And maybe just that whole segment, the FTTP segment in general then. Any color on how that's playing out? Because it's obviously a relatively competitive space, I imagine as well.

Paul Tyler executive
#17

Look, it's competitive in that there are established players such as NBN and the Uniti Group being the 2 largest, and there are some small players as well. We see ourselves as the clear #3 in that space. We think we will be growing faster than pretty much anyone in that space. And again, I come back to the portfolio, the unique parts of our portfolio that are a result of internal development, but also strategic M&A. As you remember, we purchased VostroNet, which gave us a great set of skills in FTTP in particular, and some of the building management elements. But we also made acquisitions of Acurus, which gave us a very strong white label capability, which is quite attractive to a number of build to rent operators, particularly. And we tie all that together with an approach around IoT and various other things. So it's hard to get that portfolio right, and we think we've built a bit of a moat around that portfolio.

Bob Chen analyst
#18

Fantastic. And then just on the Wholesale segment. Obviously, the AGL deal and that's a really good deal. Can you talk a little bit about how long could it take to get one of these deals completed and signed? And what does the pipeline look like for maybe similar-size deals as well?

Paul Tyler executive
#19

Yes. Look, these are large B2B deals, and you can imagine that they have the same sort of gestation time you would expect for any of those sort of large deals. It could be 6 months or it could even be longer to go through the wholesale cycle. They're professional organizations that have a very sophisticated buying process. So we're good at that. That's very much part of our DNA. It doesn't just apply in the Wholesale segment. Exactly the same approach applies to our Business segment, including things like the build to rent space I just spoke before. It's a very different customer journey than the sort of the digitally led mass market business that we have in the consumer space. So fairly long sales cycles. The pipeline is strong. I won't give much more color than we are very encouraged by some of the opportunities that are in the pipe.

Bob Chen analyst
#20

Okay. Cool. And then just a final one on that. I mean, who would you typically sort of be coming up against competition wise for those deals? And what sort of led AGL, I guess, to choose Superloop over your competitors?

Paul Tyler executive
#21

So that deal is a backhaul deal. Well, there are some smart elements to the backhaul. It's not traditional backhaul. It's a new product we call hosted backhaul. It's a product that doesn't exist in the market by anyone else or offered by anyone else. It's a product that we really did build for AGL specifically, but it has broad application beyond AGL. The competitors in the space are all the traditional larger telcos. But one thing that's happened in this backhaul space or this nbn space in general is the onset of the new SAU from NBN, and that changes the way that backhaul is impacted. Things like the CVC going away and various other elements of that SAU change. We've moved very quickly to build a product set -- a wholesale product set, which is optimized for the new SAU from NBN. Again, I would, with all due humbleness, say that we believe we have the best portfolio in the market to address that new need.

Operator operator
#22

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Ross Barrows from Wilsons Advisory.

Ross Barrows analyst
#23

Just 2 questions. The first one is just around the Challengers segment. Look, that's collectively growing well, and you guys are a meaningful contributor to that. Can you just make any comments, I guess, on the competitive landscape in general? And maybe if you can make any consumer reference to industry price changes following the SAU outcomes from last year? And I do note, obviously, in the back of the pack, you do mention that you're seeing pricing opportunities in Wholesale as a result of that, but maybe some consumer observation.

Paul Tyler executive
#24

Yes. Look, the SAU represented a suite of price changes. We saw the highest speed plans -- the wholesale pricing from -- for the higher speed plans come down. And we saw the wholesale pricing for some of the lowest speed or the -- some of the lower speed plans go up and the market pricing moved accordingly. I think there was a pretty faithful change across the whole market up and down based on the different plan speeds. I don't think that's the question. If I read between the lines, I think that your question is sort of competitive intensity. What we're seeing in the -- from a competition perspective is a stabilization maybe of competition. You can see that in the fact that our cost to acquire has come down. Maybe there's been a bit of a flight to value as well in terms of consumer sentiment coming on the back of cost-of-living pressures, et cetera. Or maybe there's a broader realization that it is possible to get a superbly performing product at a more value end of the price curve. Tie that together with our increasing brand awareness, and there [ is ] a building appetite for the Superloop proposition. You asked about the backhaul conditions there. I wouldn't say that there's been a lot of price change. I mean, apart from the sort of faithful carry-through, the changes in NBN pricing, that's more about functionality differences. And our portfolio has evolved quite quickly in line with the changes in the nbn structure around the removal of CVC and the high-speed plans and all that sort of stuff. So I think the increasing competitiveness of our wholesale product is more around capability than it is around price levels.

Ross Barrows analyst
#25

Okay. Got it. And the second one is just on M&A. You called out an ongoing active but disciplined approach. Can you just share any more color around that in terms of how that inorganic strategy is progressing or developing?

Paul Tyler executive
#26

Yes. Yes. So look, we're always actively considering M&A. We are considering M&A right now, and we have been for the whole of the first half. Obviously, the Symbio process was the most active opportunity that we pursued during the first half. We withdrew from that process. We stand by why we withdrew from that process. I won't comment on other's positions. But for our evaluation, we withdrew when we saw value parameters being exceeded. But I think what that does show is we have an appetite for M&A and material M&A, where we see the right buying conditions and the right asset. That's a long-winded cryptic way of not giving you much information. I recognize that. But we don't have much more to say. We continue to explore opportunities and should opportunities sort of pass those thresholds, we'll update the market as we get there.

Operator operator
#27

[Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from the line of Jonathon Higgins from Unified Capital Partners.

Jonathon Higgins analyst
#28

Firstly, congratulations on the half, but also just the last few halves. Got some great growth and some leverage coming through more broadly. So congratulations on that. I've got 2 questions today. Just firstly, just on the AGL deal. Congratulations on that also. There seems to be sort of an intersection of multiple sort of RSP products happening across energy and broadband in Australia similar to what we've seen elsewhere. Can you sort of comment on sort of the broader potential on that AGL deal for expansion and just where you're seeing that in terms of the industry?

Paul Tyler executive
#29

Yes. So I mean I can't put words in AGL's mouth specifically. They gave some color in their results around their aspirations for their telco product set and the value they saw in combining telco and energy products in terms of multiproduct holdings and churn reduction and things like that. So I won't take liberties with their strategy. But I will say we see an increasing appetite for nontraditional brands. So brands that are coming into the telco space from other industries. And again, seeing the value in marrying a telco product or a recurring utility product like telco to their core activities and enjoying the benefit of an increasing depth of customer relationship that comes with that. Now those brands that come into the space don't want to be telcos typically. And so they need to work with an organization like ourselves who have a very complete suite of offerings from very simple capacity all the way up to a fully turnkey white-label proposition. So we saw this as a market trend. We forecasted a couple of years ago. We've made some M&A in the space to be ready for it. And I think the proof points are there, right? The collective share of the Challengers segment is growing very quickly. It was sort of mid-single digits when we set this aspiration. It's now 17%. But I think it's only starting. There's a lot of opportunity to run from here.

Jonathon Higgins analyst
#30

Excellent. And just a second one for me, and there is just 2 parts to this one. Just going on from the SAU points that you made. It's great to see a little bit of RSP relief on the CVC. Can you sort of tell me just 2 points in regards to this? One, is there any sort of benefit flowing through to you guys in this sort of coming half now that's been implemented in December? And secondly, just on the industry, was it applied equally by the industry and yourselves across your front and your back book? Does that start to come through this half?

Paul Tyler executive
#31

Yes. So I think the second question first, yes, it was pretty universally applied across both front and back book across the industry. There was a wave of repricing that sort of flowed through to most RSPs, including ourselves towards the tail end of last calendar year. In terms of headwinds or tailwinds, it would really depend on the shape of the book for the different RSPs, those RSPs that are more heavily weighted towards the higher speed plans, such as ourselves. And I think we probably have the highest one of, if not -- I actually think it is the highest mix of the high-speed plans in the industry. They do get a bit of a disproportionate tailwind and those that are much more dominated by the lower speed plans would have a bit of a headwind. But if we look at the mix overall, across our 2 brands, we see the SAU change as a slight positive for Superloop, not a dramatic tailwind but certainly not a headwind.

Jonathon Higgins analyst
#32

Sorry, just on the -- I was just talking less with regard to the SAU benefit for Wholesale. But just on your pricing and others, did people apply their own pricing on both the front book and the back book in a similar manner? Apologies.

Paul Tyler executive
#33

Well, I mean -- maybe I'm going too far by talking about the whole industry, but I can say that we did.

Operator operator
#34

Your next question comes from the line of Cameron Bell from Canaccord Genuity.

Cameron Bell analyst
#35

9,000 subs in January, and you just had a record period. Are you comfortable with us now assuming that second half subscriber additions are going to be above first half?

Paul Tyler executive
#36

Look, I don't want to add much more than what I said. We're affirming our guidance for the year, and we've had a great start. Trading conditions are favorable at the moment. Trading conditions can change. But right now, we have a lot of momentum. And Cam, I don't really want to be putting any other data points out there as you can understand.

Cameron Bell analyst
#37

No, that's fine. You're probably going to love my next question then. Symbio, obviously, that's gone now. But you do have that contract with them still. Can you give us an indication of how much that contract contributed revenue and gross margin in the half and when you think it will conclude?

Paul Tyler executive
#38

Yes, sure. So I've been open about this. That deal runs until the end of this calendar year, but it represents less than $2 million of gross margin annually for us.

Operator operator
#39

[Operator Instructions] And there are no further questions at this time. So I'd like to hand back to our presenters.

Paul Tyler executive
#40

Excellent. Thank you. Well, thanks, everyone, for their time. As I said, we believe it's been a great half and the outlook from here is very strong. So thanks for making the time to listen to our performance for the half. [ All the best ].

Operator operator
#41

That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now all disconnect.

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