T-Mobile US, Inc. (TMUS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 15, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Ron Thurston
analystAll right. We're going to get started. My name is Ron Thurston. I'm the host of the Retail and America podcast. And the author of a book called Retail Pride, the Guide to Celebrating Your Aaccidental Career. And the reason that we're really here today is to talk about 3 things. And 1 is to talk about employees and frontline employees who are incredibly proud of their work. And I know this is a kind of the story about T-Mobile, but the idea of technology and how it supports frontline work is a really important message that we're going to cover today. So I am very honored to have 3 very impressive leaders with us today to have this conversation. Roopi Crowley and [indiscernible] and Mike Edwards. So thank you guys for being here today. We're going to mix this up.
Ron Thurston
analystAnd I think you're actually going to learn a few really interesting things about digital twins that I didn't really understand. So Mark is going to take us through that. So Roopi, as I think all of us have spent the last couple of days walking the floor and learning about new technology, the idea of new and really consistent coverage in tools and stores is really important and what T-Mobile does to support that. So can you kind of walk us through new things that T-Mobile is doing?
Roopi Crowley
executiveSure. As I've been here, like you said, Ron, for a few days and in this industry, a lot of things that retailers want to do today they sometimes can't do because they don't have the reliable connectivity or the infrastructure in place. So several meetings today, they said, well, we have old infrastructure in the stores. Half of our fleet can do this and the other half can't. So what T-Mobile does with our network is we go in with our solution engineers and evaluate where we can help. It's like your house. The foundation has to be strong before you can build upon it. So if you want to put in a patio like my husband, he calls a solution engineer, right, to check it out or architect. And same thing at T-Mobile, we will go and help you create that infrastructure. So then it enables you to go and deliver the solutions that the business needs. It could be anything as all retailers are looking at AI, okay, I have this data. Does the data sit in the cloud? Or does it sit on the edge, but you can't get to that if your infrastructure isn't fixed. So it will cost you more money in the long run. So to deploy AI and solutions that generate AI, it is so important to look at that. So when [indiscernible] and I started to work together at Tractor Supply, they also looked at their infrastructure, I think at the first set, and they've now helped their employees, their team members as well as to give them the best experience that led to better customer experiences. So as Tractor deploy Honeywell devices for their associates to deliver the best customer experience there was. So if they're picking orders, right, a lot of retailers are doing picking to get the last mile faster and less costly. They said, okay, if we're out of stock, how do we communicate live with that customer, when I'm picking the order, so they're not disappointed. So they'll do a live chat and offer other seeds, let's say, to make that customer more happy and the employee's job is easier now. So those are some of the things that are happening based on the technology that's out there, but you have to look at your connectivity.
Ron Thurston
analystYes. And just a quick follow-up to that. So as I started and kind of mentioned our ultimate goal here is to also to improve the employee experience. So how does that play into that?
Roopi Crowley
executiveSo now your employee retention is going up because that associate that asked to pick 10 orders, they actually picked them and fulfilled them and the customer was satisfied, right? And so they might get a higher score, right? And their manager is happy with them. They're also able to -- I know, at Tractor, they used to have devices. All of us in retail have Zebra device, maybe it's a handheld push-to-talk device, right? And they're wearing a tool belt of these things. So now the associate who wants to work for a company that has all those. So they've streamlined with 1 or 2 technology solutions to really help that associate deliver.
Ron Thurston
analystRight. Thank you. Kind of follow-up to that, [indiscernible]. So as you think about your partnership with T-Mobile and how you've integrated that into your stores.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo at Tractor Supply, we think about it as enabling people with technology. So when we think about people, we think about our customers and our team members. So from a customer perspective, we break it down into really 3 categories: product and product information. We break it down in a customer and their interaction, things like loyalty, frictionless checkout and then the last thing is in fulfillment. So how do we make sure that you can get the product anywhere you want. When you think about the team member, we break it down into really how are we making their lives easier as we digitize the store more and add more and more tasks to those team members productivity is mission-critical in the day. So fulfillment activities have to be streamlined, and we're doing that through technology. The network is obviously part of that, but we see it as an application ecosystem that really brings new capabilities such as product information prompts as product finding, information about sustainability on the product. Those are the types of things that we're bringing to light in the marketplace today.
Ron Thurston
analystYou have a solution for the front line called Hey GURA. So I would love for you to kind of share what that is and how you use that because I think I'm personally obsessed of how that could enable an experience at the frontline that's really incredible.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. So Hey GURA at Tractor Supply is the way we brand our selling process in our stores. and it stands for greet, uncover, recommend and ask. So that's the DNA that our entire team member, our 50,000 team members in our stores used to service our customers, which is extremely important. So, Hey GURA is actually a generative AI capability that we developed to basically prompt the team member to ask all kinds of information, gives them access to expertise. It gives them access to product information, pricing information, findability. And it's all integrated to a headpiece that they actually talk into. So it makes it very easy for them to interact with the technology. It's not in all of our stores yet, but we're in the process of rolling it out to the chain as we learn more. So it's been a great journey in the generative AI space for Tractor Supply.
Ron Thurston
analystAmazing too. And then kind of the same follow-up with Roopi. How has that improved retention, like employee retention. Like what do these incredible frontline people say about Hey GURA.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSo it improves retention, but it makes their jobs easier. When I started the conversation, I said enabling people with technology, it's not taking anything away from them. It's not streamlining people out of the stores, what it's giving them the ability to do is service our customers better. And that gives them an incredible sense of pride and then that translates into just being part of our culture. Our mission and our values that our company is second to none. There's nothing like I've ever seen. And this is in line with that is to work hard, have fun and make money. And that's what this does for our team members is it gives them the ability to work hard as efficiently as they possibly can.
Ron Thurston
analystTalk in my language, I love it. So Roopi, when do you [indiscernible] deploying this to 50,000 people, consistent connectivity and coverage becomes really important you can't have the tools and the enabling with the tools without great coverage.
Roopi Crowley
executiveSure. It's really table stakes. So when we started to work together 2 years ago -- over 2 years ago, they did -- they had many providers, right? So it wasn't consistent. And when the system goes down, we know we've all been there. The store's POS is down. And now we're like, "Oh, what do I do to your order online? Do I get it later?" The managers coming over. The associate is like covering and feeling bad because the customer is like getting [indiscernible]. So now that we put 5G into their stores, and they have a consistent solution. It's really table stakes for them, right? And if you are a retailer and you have mobile tablets, right, there is inventory stresses. The backrooms are now becoming fulfillment centers. So we're stocking less in the stores, right? But we still want the customer to know they can buy everything online and in-store at the same time. So enabling that associate with the mobile device is critical. And they're trying to transact on that device and they can't you're losing a sale and it's a bad brand experience. So we want to make sure those associates can do their job officially and make the customer happy, and they feel good about it.
Ron Thurston
analystRight. Exactly. Thank you. I think, [indiscernible], we still have your slide up here that kind of talks about your goals, key initiatives and major milestones. And as a major retailer, these milestones are really important to you. And so -- can you talk a little bit more about what some of these are.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeSure. Just to add to Roopi statement real quick, though, here's what I would say. I could see some of my team out here in the audience, and I'm looking over at the infrastructure. I'm the applications guy. So, I'm the one that's out there trying to deploy more capabilities. But here's what I would tell you that the 5G network does. And we are in 2,200 stores now across 49 states and it brings reliability. And the reliability is -- it's paramount to our success because it enables us to deploy more and more either team member tools, customer tools, whatever the case may be. And I talked a little bit about our gen AI journey, but we're not stopping at just the, Hey GURA prompt. And this network has to be in place in order for us to be able to keep going. So other things on this list include the work we're doing with something called computer vision where we're actually taking the loss prevention cameras and really digitizing that information and bringing it back in so we can get more insight into what's going on in the edge, right? We have 2,200 unique locations. Each one has its own culture, almost so to speak. So we've got to make sure that we have some insight into what's going on, right? Well, we can understand now it's not just how many people are walking into and out of a store. We can actually see things like dwell time. We can see if we're out of stock in certain inventory. So a number of things going on there. Our mobile strategy is obviously very critical. So our customers, the life out here. It's all about working on their farms. It's that rural marketplace. So we've got to be able to meet them where they are. So think about the things that they're buying. They're heavy. So we've got to have a mobile strategy and one that doesn't allow for a lack of use of hands. So just a lot of things going on within the company right now and servicing our team members and our customers.
Ron Thurston
analystGreat. Thank you. Mark, I haven't forgotten about you. I promise. And I think -- so [indiscernible] Mentioned computer vision, and we're going to take a deep dive on what 345 Global does here in a moment. But how does computer vision work with kind of what [indiscernible] was describing?
Unknown Executive
executiveI think the interesting thing for me is, as an architect, how did I get into this world is quite interesting. My CIO invented a piece of software called Revit. Those of you who don't know what Revit is. It's from the store planning department. It's the industry standard of how we build 3D computer models, et cetera. So the excitement of this level of conversation, the fact the conversation is coming to life, hearing what [indiscernible] is saying on all those bits and pieces, it really excites me in terms of where we can go. I've always believed that the store is the bucket as opposed to the planogram. And so if we can take a store, and we've got that 350 planograms and 30,000 products, et cetera, macro space optimization is the first key. And so if we can start to bring that to life, which means we've got to get the store, get the fixtures, get the products, now we start to bring other bits in terms of computer vision and in terms of planogramming and we'll talk more about that in a second. But the key part of that is to move data. And our relationship with Roopi and T-Mobile has just been exceptional that, that whole 5G conversation changes the dynamic or more importantly, makes it the conversation. And that's what really excites me.
Ron Thurston
analystAnd increases the capabilities to expand it further. Everything you're doing is about growing the opportunities to support some of your retailers?
Unknown Executive
executiveThere's so many disparate pieces of software in retail at the moment, and you've got something that optimizes here and optimizes there, what the digital twin and what 345 does is bring it all together. So instead of working in a vertical silo, we're moving data across. Now we need to be able to move that data seamlessly quickly or what have you, and that's what T-Mobile brings to us. And you can see from the different levels. I'll go into more of this detail in a second, but...
Ron Thurston
analystWe'll come back to you in a moment. I just wanted to kind of end here, so you guys were together on this stage last year, [indiscernible] and Roopi. And how has the last year transformed your business together?
Roopi Crowley
executiveSo I think for me and the T-Mobile team is making sure that our clients are always connected, right? They can deliver on the solutions that they need to. So many times they sit with a client or future client. And they're like, well, we can't innovate because 200 stores are down on a daily basis, right? And they don't have the infrastructure in place or they don't have great primary coverage right? Or the cable is cut somewhere. So -- and when we start to work together, Tractor might have had those problems, but we put those to bed. And if a retailer is really going to be successful, they have to look at their infrastructure, then they layer on platforms to deliver the solutions that they need to. So it's kind of like a pyramid but on the bottom is that connectivity, right? And then the second thing T-Mobile does is it's not just about selling you something. It's about day 1 to understand what you need. Day 2 is execution, day 3 is being there when there is an outage, right? That does happen. I'm not going to say it's perfect, and that they can call us whether it's Thanksgiving, Christmas, any time they can give us a ring, and they can reach out to me, my team, our leaders to say, we have a problem. We have SLAs in place to make sure that is put up pretty quickly back on track. And I think why we work so well together. It's not just that we're a vendor, we're a partner. So we understand what they're trying to do in the future and then bring them solutions, right? Hey, I was at NRF -- did you see this in this booth, you should go check it out. That's the type of relationship that we have.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. Here's what I would say. Last year, when we were here, we were still talking about infrastructure, so to speak, and the investments that we needed to make to be able to go faster. When we start talking about pushing the boundaries of technology and pushing ourselves forward in pursuit of really servicing our customers and our team members that fundamentally has shifted now to back to capabilities -- and I think that's the real key. And it's because we have reliability in our network. We don't have incidents. We have the speed in the broadband, so we can go and ideate virtually anything. I gave you the example of what we're doing with Hey GURA right? I gave you the example of what we're doing with the computer vision, but they're not stopping there. We're redeploying our loyalty programs and our features and capabilities in our stores and how we're serving that up real time. What are the types of things that we're offering the customer at the register. Like we don't want to ask the customer 5x if they've enrolled in our credit card program when they have a credit card, right? So it's not just stopping there. And now the shift is just to what is possible. And it's about empowering those team members and they're getting engaged in and then it's just a really, really exciting time.
Ron Thurston
analystThat's great. You're really -- you're painting the picture of the future what you're describing, current and future. So thank you. I'm speaking of future because I want to turn it over to Mark, and I think that we -- there's -- I have a statistic here around digital twins. According to Forbes, digital twin market is projected to continue growing at 42% compound rate annually to $53 billion by 2028. And so I was -- [indiscernible] until you and I met, I would tell you, I didn't really understand what this is. So I would imagine there are people in the audience that feel the same. So can you walk us through what this is and what is a digital twin?
Unknown Executive
executiveYes, I'd love to. I think there's too many words whether it's Metaverse or this, that and the other that are used, which people don't really understand, people who use the idea of a digital twin because they've got a 3D model. A 3D model isn't a digital twin. It's a very complex level. And you can see that we've got 7 levels is how we bring this to life. The base is the catalog. And you desert talk about 2,200 stores. And in those he's got a variable amount of fixtures and a whole host of products, et cetera. So getting that database right in the first place, because if you can trust that, if you can build your stores, your fixtures in your products and you can place all of those, you start to get the basis of what a digital twin is. If I know the exact X, Y, Z position of every product, every planogram, every fixture, I start to get a whole series of spatial data that's never been available before, product adjacencies, planogram adjacencies. We start to be able to ask a whole series of questions. So once we've got that catalog put together, we need to be able to communicate and move the data really quickly, hence, our relationship with T-Mobile and that connectivity layer, so we can move things around. From a planning perspective, at the moment, there's too many people -- we can just leave it on the slide before, that will be great. There's too many people who are creating planograms. They're at headquarters. They'll create a whole series of planograms throw them over the wall in the hope that they're going to land and fit in a store. I've had too many stories where there's 1,000 calls saying, it doesn't fit, what do I do here? So if our store knows its merchandising capacity. If every fixture is built from a cut sheet, its linear square and cubic merchandising capacity. Now all of a sudden, the store knows what it can hold. So why would we spend less or more data. If it knows it's demographics and all these sort of things, why doesn't the store request its assortment. But if we can request this assortment and we've got a planning tool that's web native that's cloud-based web native, not a combination of Citrix or this, that and the other. And then if it's built in the right way, we can optimize and start to write automations because we know what the store is. We know what the products are and we know where they should be. So that gives us a whole planning layer. We take that up to the next level. So that means in the first part, we can create a digital twin, but how do we keep that up to date. And that's where we start looking at RFID. We start looking at robots. And we've got our own planogramming tool where we waive a phone in front of the products and through computer vision back to what we were saying before, it will recognize the products place an augment duality marker in 3D. And when I hit save, it instantaneously creates an editable relegrap. I'm always pleased when I got that sentence out, but if it's great to planogram it's created on the edge, I can compare that against the planogram that should be there. Now all of a sudden, and then my out of stocks, I know what's on shelf availability, what is or isn't there? And I can tie that to an ordering system. Now all of a sudden with that power of connectivity and knowing all of my stores, et cetera, I can now, whether it's daily, hourly, start to have the store tell me what's on shelf. So if I get through the course of the year, and I come to do my analytics and I've got my peers and my data. If I think I've sent a planogram them, there's been 4 products on shelf. If an average has only been 2, my analytics are completely wrong. Doesn't matter how good your analytics are if your data is incorrect. So that living, breathing digital twin starts to get a status spatially understanding facings, what's there, what isn't there, et cetera. And it starts to build a story which enables us to make really smart decisions, automate decisions. go to the next level in terms of insights. Insights to us means we can create this digital twin, means we can make some different changes, bring some new products in and send it out to 1,000 consumers just like that. We can have test that on their phone or if they're on the train on the way home or in the at home, et cetera. So from a research point of view, from a tracking perspective, we can now start to track people moving around a store. But if I've got a digital twin and I've got -- I can do that, I can now start to hotspot where people are spending most of their time. I've got all my data coming in from my products. So if now the hotspot of where they're spending most is where they're spending most of their time that digital twin thing will never grow -- but I can guarantee you, it's not. So that spatial data will tell us where people are, where they're spending most of their money, and now we get into a really rich conversation. That digital twin if it's kept up to speed, it means that we could log in digitally into attractive supplier any store, and I can now shop my local store with what products are actually available on the shelf. That's not me choosing something from a list and they're having somebody else make a decision for me. It also means I can optimize the pick group for an online order. I can get my people to go around and actually move to the store in this fastest space possible. You start bringing all of these layers together and the knowledge and insight really starts to grow. We bring that to life in terms of collaboration. We've built all of our software on a gaming platform. You'll remember Pokemon Go, I remember seeing that. And that being went crazy. Everybody was doing everything was doing everywhere. So my thought process went could I take a series of business applications, store planning, merchandising, marketing, et cetera, and building on top of a gaming platform. Well, it's taken us 5 years to do it. But all of you have got kids who have played Fortnite at home and when you say, Jake, can you come down, dinner is ready. Jake, they're not going to leave. Why? Because they're in a rich interactive 3D environment. They're shooting and killing people, we'll keep that to the side for a second. But they actually know how much ammunition has got, how much -- how little of got all that to be. That information that you got is fantastic. It's real-time data, real-time storytelling. That's what we want to bring to live here. So the store, we want the store to -- it's always had the information. We want to empower it to start telling us the story to unravel that complex DNA and let it start to come to life. So now we can fly over the store and the products, whether it's sales or movement or profit is now telling us this story. It's telling us where we should be going, et cetera, et cetera that collaboration leverages either visualization, true visualize and making it real or from a data perspective, how well we're performing. That's all B2B. And then GEO guiding gauge offer is a variation on and that really excites me when I start hearing your implementation of how you're doing that. because if we can guide you around the store, if you can engage with a product or more importantly, if they know where you are, we can get the product to make you an offer now we're into some really, really fun space. Well, that combination...
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYou're connecting it, right? And then in an area that traditionally wasn't connected, right? It was very static. So the fact that you're actually connecting those 2 points now refreshing it gives a store insight. It gives the store support center insight. It's really very powerful.
Unknown Executive
executiveDepending on what question you're asking, it's a combination of layers 1, 3 and 5, 2, 4 and 6 and Roopi gives me allowing she is being nice to me, allows me to move data up and down seamlessly.
Roopi Crowley
executiveAnd I think, Mark, what you've said is so important, like we have lived in breathed planograms. And so at my local supermarket, I was shopping a few weeks ago and they had planograms up the typical. And then the associates were complaining that nobody at corporate knows what actually fits on the shelf. Typical. And I was like, wow, they really need this solution, right? Because now they can use this device, their phone to actually scan the shelf, the planogram comes up, sees what's missing tell some let's say inventory in the back room and they can fill the shelf. Now actually that associate might want to stay working there because we've taken that daily task that can be hard and automated it, right? And I think as a district manager or a regional you're walking in the planogram is not set or even the store manager. They can just take out their phone and see if it's set correctly or not instantly instead of where is my visual guy, is on paper somewhere else. So let me go into that, let me navigate my app, right? So it's seamless.
Unknown Executive
executiveAnd it's the same planogram everybody seeing on any device, anywhere, that's the web native bit, which is...
Ron Thurston
analystBut I'm kind of -- but imagine the idea of the employee experience then translating into the customer -- and so all of a sudden, you're articulating a story of how as an associate, how a brand is utilizing technology to improve their experience and therefore, the customer mean inventory management and the right product at the right time available to all and knowledge of it and kind of what you're describing with the layers. I mean, it sounds are kind of unattainable in some ways, yes, I know that it's real. It sounds like a dream.
Unknown Executive
executiveOne of the reasons I created 3, 4, 5 was to change that customer experience. If you're in front of a product, you can talk to it, it's best to do it through the phone because it gets a bit otherwise. But if you can talk to the phone and you know 1 of those 3 that you want. The chance of you're putting in your basket is just that much higher. That's why the whole GURA thing, geo thing that really excites me.
Ron Thurston
analystThank you. So we have a few minutes left. And so I want to be able to, [indiscernible], just talk a little bit more about any of this other like smart data that's coming through. So you have all the layers, you have, I'm sure everything from Hey GURA, you have all this data coming through in your world. So how are you using that today?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeYes. So here's what I'd say, everything we've digitized things more than ever before, right? So what does that do for us is it gives us the ability to take it and then massage to get insights into what's going on. Here's what I'd say. I think you're seeing us make strides right now and the loyalty and the customer personalization spaces and really starting to gain an understanding for what our customers' needs are and how can we communicate to them more effectively. I still keep going back to the team member and the productivity of the team member in the store. That's where a big investment is being made right now. And it's I talked a little bit about Hey GURA and some of the computer vision, but we've also created a platform called TSC & Me. which is -- it's in its early stages, but the idea for it is it's really an interactive portal for the team member to be able to interact with their jobs, their career at Tractor Supply. So we're leveraging that information to push tests out, training out, things of that nature, just created an overall experience for them that's better. It's interesting when you were talking and you guys were going back and forth, we all have retail, and I think a lot of people in this room have a retail background. There's nothing that's worse than when you're with a customer and some things going wrong, right? So the vision that I'd say we have that I have in the technology department is that leveraging all this information should create better tools and services so that our team members and customers never have to experience that. Now obviously, that's not necessarily an attainable goal. But if we can help in any way, shape or form, that's how I see things focusing from our perspective for the future.
Ron Thurston
analystAnd the fact that you can say it out to the teams, we're developing things to support you. You told me yesterday morning, you'd already spent how many days in stores?
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWe spent about 50 hours...
Unknown Analyst
analystBy the middle of January, which I give you much credit for. And -- but if you can say that to them during those 50 hours, these are things that were utilizing, exploring, making your job easier and the power of those 50,000 people.
Unknown Attendee
attendeeWell, you're getting constant feedback, we joke around about it sometimes, but a few years back, we developed a button on our mobile app that just notifies a team member through an ear piece that they're at the propane tank in the back. And think about how valuable that is this week when it's 10 degrees outside and I need a propane tank filled and I can hit a button, somebody comes outside, fills it up. So those are the types of interactions you can't predict when you're in a store to get those types of use cases. And then they turn into real things. And think about the meaning for the customer, for the team member makes them efficient, so they're not standing outside of the cold and makes it better just all together, and they can go out and check the personnel with a mobile device. So...
Ron Thurston
analystWell, we are out of time. So thank you. I wanted to thank T-Mobile for this, make sure that you visit them at booth 6703 and learn more about what you can do for your retail business. So thank you, everyone, for attending. Have a great rest of your conference.
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