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WideOpenWest, Inc. (WOW) Earnings Call Transcript

December 8, 2020

New York Stock Exchange US Communication Services Media conference_presentation 37 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Batya Levi analyst
#1

Welcome to the TMT conference. I'm Batya Levi with the telecom, cable, media and communications infrastructure team. Our next presenter is WOW Communications. We have CEO, Teresa Elder and CFO, John Rego with us. Teresa and John, thank you so much for joining us.

John Rego executive
#2

Thank you.

Teresa Elder executive
#3

Thanks, Batya.

Batya Levi analyst
#4

I think I wanted to start off with maybe sort of, as we wrap up this year, what were the some of the accomplishments of WOW? And what are your priorities going into '21?

Teresa Elder executive
#5

Well, thanks, Batya. This year has certainly been tumultuous for all of us. We started out the year excited about our broadband first strategy. And that's really embracing the need for high-speed data. Our business is so well positioned for that. We were the first to have over 1 gig speeds in 95% of our footprint. And we really launched the year excited about doing that and offering streaming partners to our customers rather than the traditional video as the only option. So that ended up being a pretty darn good strategy, when just a couple of months later, of course, we were all hit with the pandemic. So our strategies that we have launched at the beginning of the year end up being just perfect timing. As we -- the pandemic hit, then the strategy also focused on making sure we ensure the safety of our employees as well as our customers. So therefore, things like self-installs, which is becoming a bigger priority, had -- was the perfect timing because customers, of course, don't want people in their home as much. And for us, it's a win-win. Our equipment has gotten so much simpler to install. And of course, it's easier to schedule when you're doing it yourself, and it's also better financially for us. And then the third priority of the year, really, has been to keep with the incredible demand from our customers, for not only new subscriptions, but an increase in bandwidth demand, and our network has performed so well so that our customers can be working, learning and having other entertainment from home. And I've been really proud of the company for what we've done on that. As we launch into 2021, it is a bit more of the same in terms of executing on the strategies that we've put in place, so making sure that we can continue to ramp up self-installs, continuing to keep up with the bandwidth, with demand and really focusing on our key competitive advantages that we have for our customers, which is still the renowned customer service of WOW as our primary one.

Batya Levi analyst
#6

Okay. That's great. Let's start with the broadband business because that's definitely been the outperforming part of the business. You've already exceeded the net add guidance that you had for last year. And maybe if you could talk about how much of it is the pull-forward impact given the environment? And would you expect the similar trends to continue that we saw maybe more recently?

Teresa Elder executive
#7

Yes. We started out the year big. Even before the pandemic, we had one of the biggest Januaries and Februaries that we'd ever seen. So certainly, we're feeling good about the year. And then, of course, everything accelerated as customers needed more and more broadband, whether they were shifting off with their wireless only at home or looking for a better value from some of the competitors that were out there. So we've been very pleased with the results. We've had the biggest year in the company's history in terms of broadband subscriptions. So I think it remains to be seen what happens next. We do believe that this trend towards work from home at some level is going to continue, even as people go back into their offices after the vaccine is out there. I know that as a company, we're planning to do that. So we think there's going to be a higher level of work from home or at least some hybrid approach to that as we go forward, and we're here to meet all of those challenges.

Batya Levi analyst
#8

Okay. And when you think about your success this year, would you call it, it was more new customers coming in? Or churn being lower? Or a combination of both?

Teresa Elder executive
#9

It's really a combination. That's a great question. For a subscription business, you have to be looking at the top line and the bottom line, what's going in the bucket and what's coming out. And we've always had a focus on reducing churn really since even before I got here, since that falls straight to the bottom line. And you want to keep your customers happy. That's always best. So churn has remained very, very good. But we've also been attracting new customers, whether it's in some of our Edge-Out areas or attracting away customers from competitors as well.

Batya Levi analyst
#10

Okay. I think there were some programs maybe to connect -- Keep America Connected Program that changed the trends in the near term. As those are smoothed out, anything that you would call out in the near term that we should watch out for that would determine the change?

Teresa Elder executive
#11

Yes. So the Keep America Connected, the FCC pledges we had, it was in the second quarter. And the way that we did that was that we were connecting new customers and they were absolutely paying customers to us. The FCC asked us to not disconnect any customers for nonpayment, which, of course, we didn't. And some of those came back to roost then in the third quarter. So we had a little bit higher nonpay disconnects than we would have in the third quarter without that program. What we've seen though as we've continued to be responsive, especially to school districts, and those -- who need those lower cost programs, is that we continue to have good demand as we've gone into the fourth quarter. So it's hard to say what's going to happen in the future. I think we found a way to, as we always have, to really work with customers who are perhaps credit challenged.

Batya Levi analyst
#12

Yes. And I guess as you look at your incumbent footprint, so maybe not Edge-Out, but incumbent footprint, the penetration of broadband is in the mid-20s. Can you talk a little bit about what the opportunity is to improve that? And maybe with the background of what you're seeing from competitors, are you seeing any new rollout, maybe telco pushing more fiber or increasing their DSL speed that's changing that competitive landscape? How are the trends there?

Teresa Elder executive
#13

Well, our markets vary since really WOW started out as a challenger brand or you used to be -- call it kind of an over builder. We have some markets where, in fact, we were the incumbent. We had bought some billed Americheck product trees back in the day. So the penetrations there are certainly higher. In the areas where we've always been a challenger brand, yes, we're kind of in that mid-20s area. And as we look at the Edge-Out areas, we have a 3-year plan to kind of get to those same kind of penetrations or higher. So we're always looking at those things. In terms of the DSL and as they move more to fiber or higher speeds, we have a pretty low percentage of some of the AT&T fiber rollout in our footprint. And of course, we feel good about our ability to compete against those as well as Frontier's, CenturyLink a number of places. So certainly, the speeds that we have on our network are definitely a step above what the customers can get from those competitors.

Batya Levi analyst
#14

Got it. And I believe 90% of your footprint can get 1 gig lag speed now. Can you talk about what percent of the base is on a higher speed? Or what the new sales coming in at the high-speed level?

Teresa Elder executive
#15

Yes. In fact, we just started sharing more information about this at our last earnings call and have a chart on that, that really shows that the new customers coming in were really at more than 80% or at speeds that are 200 meg or higher. So that is a shift over the last many quarters where customers are wanting higher and higher speeds. And it makes sense for the demands of streaming and video conferencing and learning from home and all the things that are going on in the home that higher speeds were. We're also seeing a good adoption of our Whole-Home WiFi product, which is a mesh network, which makes the WiFi node better in your home.

Batya Levi analyst
#16

And you did mention that self-install has been increasing given the environment. And I believe about maybe 2 years ago, you've also increased spending on building those capabilities, more digital transactions. And where are we at that point? So in a scenario where the customer wants higher-speed Whole-Home WiFi network build, can they do it themselves?

Teresa Elder executive
#17

Yes. That's exactly the kinds of capabilities that we've been building over the last couple of years as we've been transforming the business. So online capabilities and the ability to do some things through an app, for example, on our WOW! tv+ product, those things are really getting to where we had hoped they'd be. I think a prime example that we talk about is 3 years ago, only about 3% of our customers were able to purchase through the online store through our wowway.com website. Now we see that at over 30%. So customers are adopting that. We actually also sell through other channels, of course, as well, more online account management and more flexibility is really what we're all about. And that's a lot of the hard work we've been doing the last few years.

Batya Levi analyst
#18

And can you share any stats in terms of what percent of the installs are self-installed now? And how is that compared maybe to a year ago?

Teresa Elder executive
#19

It's -- well, I mean it's gone up dramatically, especially with COVID, certainly. And we anticipate even that -- increasing it dramatically more next year. I don't think we've given out actual numbers on it, but just to say it's becoming a substantial portion.

Batya Levi analyst
#20

Okay. Sounds good. And maybe if we can shift to video, I know it's more of a focus of broadband-centric product. And you're sort of pivoting away from video, but also you're agnostic in terms of if the customer wants it, you'll be able to provide it. Can you talk a little bit about if that suggests that sort of the shift in cord-cutting or maybe fewer video mix of your business is by design and that should continue? And how would that impact your overall sort of revenue and margin profile?

Teresa Elder executive
#21

Sure. I'll start out with a few words and then turn it over to John as well. That is absolutely our strategy here is to really do what our customers want in terms of video. And many customers don't want a pay TV package, but many don't. They're happy with the many streaming services that they have. And unlike some of our competitors, we don't have to push a certain content or bundled package, we really listen to the customers on what they need best and then help them find those services that best meet not only what they want to watch, but also their budget. And that has really been attractive to customers. They view us as a trusted adviser and as we help them through that process and help them get connected. So as of last quarter, I think we said something like 80% of our new customer acquisition is broadband only or broadband with a streaming service. And that's great with us. We're not losing subscribers. We're just shifting what they're taking from us, and that helps the bottom line. So I'll let John talk about that.

John Rego executive
#22

Yes. And it's generational too, Batya. I mean, my kids here ages 19, 21, 24, will never have TV. They just won't have it. They will have Internet and they already do have it. But it's one of the things that sort of brought me here was like looking at the company at this particular moment in time, at this particular point in the pivot. And they're like 2 completely different businesses. And it drives everything that would be of interest to an investor or to an analyst in your case, which is the gross margins on TV are sub-20%. They just are because the programming costs are so expensive. Whereas the gross margins for high-speed data are in the high 90s. It almost looks like a software business. The cost below the line that are driven predominantly in -- calls into customer care centers and truck rolls are disproportionately higher on the TV business than they are on the high-speed data business. The high-speed data business is easier for a customer to contemplate a self-installation. In fact, my daughter moved into an apartment in Chicago and I did the self-installation of Internet. It was a big day for me, actually just plugged it in the wall and found the WiFi password then we were good to go. So that drives a lot of cost out of the business. The other thing that happens when TV starts to get diminished is TV drives a disproportionate amount of CapEx into the business. CPE, cost for set-top boxes are significantly higher than they are for high-speed data modems, even some of the things we have to do on the network. So as this pivot continues to happen, the expectation should be on higher gross margin on lower ARPU dollars, we're going to be driving larger gross profits and larger EBITDA and less CapEx and thus more cash flow. So that's kind of what's happening. So we were talking about that before I got here, but I mean we've kind of reached the point. And in Q2 and Q3, the most recently reported, we're starting to see the company now produce levered free cash flow and at least increasing quantities so we could start to see that the pivot's is actually working.

Batya Levi analyst
#23

No, that's great. I think, like I said, John, we had been hearing more of WOW being more video agnostic. But with the same sense, we've also seen maybe renewal of some of those programming rights and our thought would have been maybe you decide to drop some channels. So maybe sort of like have that video subscriber churn quicker than the current pace. How do you approach that higher, maybe programming costs and that lower-margin business still being in the overall? Would it be -- I guess, can we see a decision where you're truly broadband-centric and don't really offer video? Or is that going to happen over time?

Teresa Elder executive
#24

I think that's going to happen over time. We certainly are aggressive in our negotiations with the programmers, and we're in the midst of some of those right now as we speak. But I can tell you, we also took a video rate increase this year. And as customers called in and said, help me manage my budget, those rate increases are high. We're very empathetic with them about the huge increases that other programmers are putting upon us and them. And that's when we offer them up streaming alternatives. But I think it's going to be an evolution, probably over a couple of years. And certainly, the pandemic has accelerated that even beyond what we had in our original model. But we want to be there. We have a large base of customers, about half of our base, a little less than half of our base still has a pay TV service. And we want to work with them to stay with us and move over and offer the appropriate services to them, too. But yes, all of that evolution is definitely happening.

Batya Levi analyst
#25

Got it. And maybe just going back to the broadband business, how do you think about your pricing strategy there? And what -- maybe if you could talk a little bit about what the ARPU upside would be with the sale of higher tiers or selling more capabilities? Or do you believe that you have pricing power where you could -- you do have the ability to increase the base prices as well versus competition?

Teresa Elder executive
#26

Yes. We have done some price increases. And in general, I think the industry has remained somewhat stable. There's promotions here and there, especially through -- for like things like K-12 schools that, of course, we need to be responsive on and we are. But in generally, it's fairly stable pricing. We generally price a bit lower than the competition but also rely on other variables to compete on rather than just price. As the customers move up the tiers, it's $10 to $20 more as they move up the tiers. So that certainly increases the ARPU to us. And then we have add-ons like the Whole-Home WiFi product and some other add-ons that we have as well. So that's kind of how it works with the ARPU strategy. And then the longevity of the customer certainly helps and keeping churn low is an important factor so that we're not always having to do new customer acquisition to make all of our numbers, too. So both sides of the equation.

Batya Levi analyst
#27

Right. As you look at the churn of the customer, are there any significant differences when you look at broadband-centric customer versus a bundled customer -- bundled sort of broadband and video customers?

Teresa Elder executive
#28

Yes, that's been a bit of a surprise to me because I think the traditional view, and I've been in the industry a long time, is that the more bundled, the stickier that the customers are. And now with streaming services continuing to get better and better, I don't know that that's necessarily the case anymore. The key is people want a fast and reliable network that they can really count on. And that's the key variable. And our -- since ours exists, we see really, really good churn rates and high Net Promoter Scores with our HSD customers only as well.

Batya Levi analyst
#29

Right. And we say, you have a long track record in the wireless business as well. And when you look at maybe broadband and a potential of fixed wireless becoming as a competitor. What's your view there? Is that -- maybe the concern is not right now, but over 5-plus years, do you think that, that business could be a substantial competitor to broadband?

Teresa Elder executive
#30

Yes. Of course, we always keep our eye on it, and that is my old industry, so I have a real interest in it as well. The thing about the network that we have, we have a very robust advanced network that can expand as customers require more speeds over the next 5-years-plus. So we didn't build this network for just this year. We built it for years to come and the ability to continue to grow it at, I think, a much easier and less friction to our customers to be able to grow it. Whereas the 5G networks, they have to build that infrastructure. The cell sites are much closer together than the others, it's disruptive. And so those are all the challenges. I've been there, and I've built out multiple networks. So I know that, that's not easy. We keep our eyes open, and we always respect our competitors and what's coming but right now, we feel very good about the network we have, and I'm glad I'm sitting here where I am.

Batya Levi analyst
#31

Right. Yesterday, we had the results of the RDOF auction. And I think the surprise was the incumbents are getting less subsidy money to provide broadband in these unserved, underserved areas and maybe fixed wireless becoming as more of a competitor. I'm not sure if you can talk about this, but have you noticed potential new entrants in your regions that could come up with new broadband services down the road?

Teresa Elder executive
#32

Not a lot. We are primarily in some suburban markets and so not as much. We're in some rural areas as well. But no, I don't think we've seen a whole lot of new entrants. We have the traditional competitors that we've had for quite some time.

Batya Levi analyst
#33

Okay. And maybe moving on to the business environment. Anything you could share with us in terms of how the current environment has impacted the business segment? And what do you think the growth opportunity is going forward? I think you had been seeing some nice growth rate, which slowed down. Can we go back to the old levels?

Teresa Elder executive
#34

Yes. Yes, I agree. We'd like to be there as well. We have a lot of small businesses in our footprint, and they certainly have been hit hard by quarantines and the pandemic. There's no question about that. So we're working with them if they're shifting their businesses to work from home or moving to digital for those that weren't before. We also have a lot of regional hospitals in our footprint that we're working with. We also got some hits on the advertising sales side, which is a huge part of our business. But you think it would have been a bigger year for us, but actually, that's a bit of a challenge. And that's some of John's old business, too. So I'll let him talk a little bit about the ad sales side.

John Rego executive
#35

Yes. So when we look at the impacts of COVID on the business, of this year, Batya, we were originally projecting maybe around $26 million would be the hit. And I took that down off for the third quarter. So we're probably looking at like $15 million, $16 million negative due to COVID on the year. And the biggest piece of that, actually, is loss of advertising revenue. So whilst it's not material amount of our business overall, I mean, it is tens of millions of dollars, and it is substantially less than it was because people weren't advertising because there's no place to go. So that's one area that hit us a little bit. Again, that's not forever. I think that advertising is coming back. We saw a little bit of positiveness during the election. So it's over right now. So there will be another election, there'll be Olympics hopefully one day, so there's other ways to get that back. So that's I think one times and things, but I think that's something that will definitely be coming back. We saw a little bit of negativity as well due to COVID with some of our offshore customer care facilities, where we have to close and shut down or travel between points A and B were prohibited. And so we actually had to onshore a lot of stuff that was offshore at a higher cost, so that hurt us a little bit. And there's been a straight back and forth a little bit on the bad debt stuff. So I think all in all, we're sort of lucky to be getting away with only $16 million of damage from COVID. And even in light of that, I think we've had a pretty decent year versus last year. So I think it will be nice to get our vaccines and just get back on the gravy train the way we were, but it looks pretty positive from where I sit.

Batya Levi analyst
#36

Right. The $16 million -- I guess, it's roughly the $15 million, $16 million that you have guided for the year, and there wasn't that much of an impact in the third quarter. So 4Q, maybe kind of like that $5 million in part?

John Rego executive
#37

Yes. That's $5 million. Yes. And I think it's predominantly going to be still some negativity with the advertising. I mean, advertising is a great business because we're given avail. So it's almost 100% margin. So if you lose it, you lose it right to the bottom line. And the other areas, we're still sort of paying the price for having to onshore some of our customer care. I don't want to overly simplify it. There's like 40 things that go in and out. But the big ones, the broad strokes are advertising care and a bit of bad debt. We got a little bit fortunate in Q3. I mean some of the -- we would really dig it in from what we thought was going to be horrific bad debt experiences, and we did a little bit better than we thought we were going to do. So that helped us out considerably. So all in all, to have all the -- that impact on the year is as good as it probably gets for us.

Batya Levi analyst
#38

Right. Something we're actually hearing from cable companies is advertising coming back not on the core side, but mostly on the political side. So you probably -- it's over, so you have a better sense to it. Is it as sort of like -- does that offset most of the pressure coming from just the current environment or still weaker like you had expected?

John Rego executive
#39

No, it's still weaker. It's still weaker. And it's one component of everything, right? So for sure. I mean there's -- no one's going to the movies, no one's going to the ball games and there's a lot of places where advertising happens and it's just not happening now. And it sort of set back a business that was our business. So I know for a fact that's sort of this -- sort of video advertising is down. It just is. So it makes sense. But it's coming back for sure.

Teresa Elder executive
#40

We have in Georgia. So that election is helping us there.

Batya Levi analyst
#41

Yes. That's what I was thinking. Yes. And maybe sort of like some of the lingering effects of COVID into next year as you think about these cost buckets, I would assume it's going to be less than this year's impact, but anything that you would call out or -- for us to watch into next year?

John Rego executive
#42

Yes, for sure. I think we -- and on our next earnings call, which will be for the quarter and for the full year, we're going to return to guidance, and we'd be happy about that, so -- and I'll be able to talk a bit more specifically about it. So I think there is going to be a COVID impact into 2021. But if I have a size right now, it's like in the $5-million-ish sort of range, it's not $16 million or $20 million. I think the worst is hopefully behind us.

Batya Levi analyst
#43

Yes. Okay. And maybe if we look at the other cost buckets, I think we talked a little bit about the opportunity you have to reduce cost as you have more digital transactions self-installed. What are some other areas of cost that you're thinking of cutting? And then in aggregate, how should we think about it? Maybe thinking about more of a nonprogramming cost side?

John Rego executive
#44

Yes. So look, for sure, self-installations will be a big cost saver for sure. And less TV will save a lot of CapEx dollars, by the way, because those are expensive. One area that we're looking at, and I would assume us and every other company on the planet, but we're looking at a far smaller real estate blueprint than we have had historically. And I've never personally been a fan of people working from home. I never really thought it would work very well, but I'm happy to say that I've been completely disproven in my thesis. People apparently can work from home and do a really fine job. And so we have to sit there and rethink that to say like, do we need 6 floors in headquarters in Colorado or shall we do something different where we have people hoteling in and out? So we'll flesh that out more, I think, by the time we get to the earnings call, but I think there's a big savings to be had there, and it's an SMB. We are a smaller company, and we're in like 150 different locations with head-ins and all these other things that we do so to the extent we can do that, we are absolutely going to do that.

Batya Levi analyst
#45

Right. And how quickly can you do that, though, in terms of maybe some of them are under long-term contracts -- leases that can not get out but...

John Rego executive
#46

Yes. It's like there's only 2 certainties in life are debt and taxes and the one certainty of life is -- hard to get out of a lease. But we're fortunate that some of our bigger ones, like corporate headquarters, that lease is coming due, anyway. So it's a good time for the renegotiation. There are areas of the country depending on where they are, where there are -- it's hard to believe the possibility of actually subletting things because even though people are scaling down, they're in places where people might want to be. So it's going to be a bit of work. We have a group network in place within the office, but I think that there are savings to be had there for sure. And I think that's going to be a big one. And then this whole sort of cadence towards broadband first, broadband-centric because you know the programming cost for TV are like off the charts. And to give some perspective, I mean, 3 years ago, the company was going public, I mean, TV was like a 40% margin business, it is not anymore, it's sub-20%. And it was that 3 years, that quickly, and it's driving a ton of cost below the line. So as we start to extricate ourselves from TV, the better. One thing that we are doing is we're sort of pushing towards the WOW! tv+ product, that's the IP-based TV. And to one of Teresa's points before, as we get folks off of the traditional linear QAM network and onto the IP network, that should free up gobs of bandwidth so that when people say, "Hey, I need 1.5 gig now," we're going to be able to -- actually be able to deliver something like that. And the other thing that I see is despite what we're doing and what we're thinking right now, I mean, our TV RGUs are like greater than 30,000 of them, I think, are left. And I do perceive that over the next several years, that's just going to get smaller and smaller and smaller.

Teresa Elder executive
#47

We keep the customer relationship. That's what's key is, yes, they may not take the video subscriptions, but we keep the most customers, and we actually continue to grow subscriptions.

John Rego executive
#48

We've got a good track record of that. So...

Batya Levi analyst
#49

Right. So a little bit of moving parts, but as we look into next year and you will give us more formal guidance later, but broadband business is strong and growing. Video may be under pressure because of the subscribers turning off, but also you're passing through the programming cost increases and so actually ARPU is growing, business could return, maybe advertising comes back a little bit. So can we expect revenue growth next year?

John Rego executive
#50

Definitely gross profit growth. And it's one of the things like the standard measurement, so like we went to our CapEx efficiency and it was like, "Oh, gee, I'm losing TV subs, so revenue is going down."

Batya Levi analyst
#51

Right. That's the balance.

John Rego executive
#52

I think so. And what I would perceive over a period of years is that we should be able to get back to sort of the revenue levels where we're at now, but with a completely different mix. So predominantly HSD going forward. So we're going to have to roll out some new metrics like capital efficiency over gross profit maybe next time, we can show you. Because on that basis, by the way, I mean, we're 300 bps better than a year ago in terms of our CapEx efficiency. But if you mention it around revenue, it doesn't look very good. So it's those kind of things.

Batya Levi analyst
#53

Right. I mean, if you were 100% broadband-centric company, what could EBITDA margins be at?

John Rego executive
#54

Close to 50%.

Batya Levi analyst
#55

Right. Right.

John Rego executive
#56

So right now, we were at here under 40% for the last quarter. So it's a -- so there's a long way to go. And that is the plan. By the way, it's more EBIT. It's more EBITDA growth. But most importantly, it's free cash flow generation and delevering. And starting to squeeze the equity and all that goodness. So I think we're at that place. So that's the plan so.

Batya Levi analyst
#57

Okay. In the -- just sort of as we think about all these cost items, and I think there is a lot of areas that you could rationalize and lower and improve margins. Any area that we should think about or be mindful of that maybe needs a bit more investment to drive this broadband growth on the OpEx side or CapEx side?

Teresa Elder executive
#58

Yes. I was just going to say, we've done a lot of investments over the last couple of years, and we're starting to see some of the fruition of that, that it's really coming into its own now. So I feel good about the investments we've done in systems, certainly, the investments we've done in the network. But yes, go ahead, John.

John Rego executive
#59

I think one of those areas and one of those growth areas is in the Edge-Out strategy. That's been a growth strategy for the past several years. And even this year, and this is COVID-related, we decided to start pulling back some of the CapEx dollars, focusing more on penetrating the overall penetration of the entire network of 19 markets is on average, around 25%, 26%. So on some of the later vintages of Edge-Outs on where we spent CapEx that as we want to work towards getting those penetrations up. So we're still doing them. You'll notice that for 2020 that you're in now, Edge-Out CapEx is down considerably. But that doesn't mean we're not focused on doing them, but we are laser-focused on where we're doing them. So we're looking for the biggest bang for the buck. So we're looking to pass a lot of MDUs in places where there are more accurate groupings of people. So it's just -- same strategy. But I think COVID kind of forced us. And one of the reasons for that is -- one of the main ways that you sell into edge-out territories, putting down our feet on the street, sales teams. And when COVID hit, there was no more feet on the street sales teams. So it was almost -- forced us to have a -- figure out different ways to approach that problem. So pulled back a little bit. We'll focus continually on it, but focus on getting the most bang for the buck.

Batya Levi analyst
#60

Right. I guess the old plan was to build maybe about 30,000 homes per year. Is that a high target now? Like is the sort of -- maybe as you think about the cash allocation, maybe I'll ask it that way because we do have only 2 minutes left. But sort of as you think about capital allocation, what would be the priorities for you because you did definitely mention -- continue to expand the footprints, delever, but also the Edge-Out piece was a nice driver of growth. So how should we balance all of those?

John Rego executive
#61

Yes. So CapEx is coming down. I think year-on-year, 9 months, 9 months, were down over $30 million year-over-year, and that's partially due to COVID and partially by design. We're going to continue to see the CapEx numbers come down in this business. I think we will have a return to Edge-Out growth not in 2021. We'll still spend dollars, but not to the levels we spend them in the past, and then we'll bring it back. For now, I think the most important thing is the continued free cash flow generation, and we really need to start delevering the business. We're 5.4x levered. It's a bit higher than most of our comp set. And I think -- I don't think, I know in many levels that hurts us a bit on the equity, and we want to sort of turn that dynamic around now and the time has come.

Batya Levi analyst
#62

So the -- and maybe you're on pace to turn free cash flow positive this year. I guess a lot of effort to keep that going into '21? Okay.

John Rego executive
#63

No. Yes.

Teresa Elder executive
#64

Free cash flow positive, but continuing to increase it. So it's a more substantial number for sure.

Batya Levi analyst
#65

Right. And maybe just quickly, any sort of noncore asset sales that would -- that could be in the works that helped you delever faster?

John Rego executive
#66

Yes. So there's lots of ways to get to the delevering. If we perfectly hit the long-range plan, we'll be really delevered in 5 years, but things happen in like pandemic, so we have to be careful. But I think one of the things I look towards is the recently announced Astound transaction, which is down a big component with RCN, which is a cable over builder just like us. And that business, although there are other components to it, itself for 12.5x. And so looking at that, we do have assets. We have 19 markets. This company has a history of buying and selling markets since its inception. So I think it would be realistic for us to look at maybe purging a market or 2 or 3 if we could do it at a price that makes sense and really cause a major delevering event sooner rather than later. So that's certainly on the table. And I think that would be nothing but wonderful for the business. I did the math on that and you kind of build the DCF on what's left after you take 2 or 3 markets out and albeit, the smaller company for equity might be worth more than a larger company because of that dynamic.

Batya Levi analyst
#67

And those would be more sort of incumbent, more mature markets?

John Rego executive
#68

Not necessarily. I mean, it's everything we have is out there and 20x multiples, you can have the whole thing. But we'll see. We're trying to look at what makes sense. It's tricky. It's not just what you take, it's what did you leave me with. So we have to be critical about that. But it is something that has been on our mind and we're looking at it, for sure.

Batya Levi analyst
#69

Okay. Great. Maybe one last question, Teresa, what would you like to leave us with in terms of how we should think about WOW into next year?

Teresa Elder executive
#70

Well, I just feel so good about where the company is positioned now. We've been working hard over the last few years to get to this position where we really are focused on our customers as well as our investors. And I really think that the work that we're doing is flowing through to the bottom line, and we're starting to see the growth of some of the promises that we have been making. So I'm more proud and excited than ever about this company.

Batya Levi analyst
#71

Awesome. Great. Thank you so much for your time. Hope to see you in person next year.

John Rego executive
#72

Thank you.

Teresa Elder executive
#73

We look forward as well.

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