WideOpenWest, Inc. (WOW) Earnings Call Transcript
June 15, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm Grant Joslin on the telecom equity research side here. And today, I'm joined by Teresa Elder, the CEO; and John Rego, the CFO of WideOpenWest. Thanks so much for joining us today at the 23rd Annual Credit Suisse Communications Conference, Teresa and John.
This year has really flown by so far, and we're getting close to the midpoint. As you look at the second half of the year, what are your biggest priorities?
Well, I think the priorities for the second half of the year are really just to continue to execute and execute in a big way. As we see, the whole economy start to emerge from the pandemic. We're doing lots to help our small business customers as they reopen their businesses. We also are looking forward to, hopefully, a return-to-normal seasonality, especially in the third quarter as students actually go back to their colleges. And for us, as employees of the company, we're actually going back to a hybrid work model. We've reduced our commercial footprint, and we're going to have a different way of working that I think takes the benefits of the flexibility while also having some of the benefits of having team brainstorming and meetings that work better that way. So we're looking forward to a strong second half.
Great. So John, you've been at WOW! for about a year now. And hopefully, you're starting to meet some of your team in person. What surprised you about your time at the company so far that you maybe didn't fully appreciate from the outside?
Yes, I'm coming up on my 1-year anniversary in 2 weeks. So it's hard to say this, but I haven't met a single person in person yet in the whole company. That's about to change. When we open our doors in July, I'll be flying out to Denver to meet my boss and my peers and the folks who work in the finance department. But more seriously, I came out of just before this, a company that was helping content providers sell video inventory when the video is watched on a connected TV or an IP-based TV. And so we spent a lot of time looking at the cable industry and gloating because of all the cord cutting. What I didn't really understand then, but I do understand now is that, yes, well, cord-cutting is real, and it's really happening. It's the TV cord getting cut. Not so much the HSD cord getting cut, quite the opposite. And so there's a far more robust business as we get into this, this conversation, we can talk about that in the numbers and what it means and what broadband first is all about. And that's 1 thing that was really positively surprising for me. The other thing was, when I step into a new company as a CFO, and I inherit my department, it's not often that you get to inherit a group with like this level of professionalism and the sort of commitment to excellence. And I was really, really bold over at what I got handed this time, which is not usually the case. In fact, it's never the case. And it just floors me. I'm a guy that wasn't very excited about letting people work from home unless like the cable guy was coming or your kid's sick or something and these folks are on a way to make it work. They've been extraordinarily productive. And again, I haven't met anybody yet, but I feel I know everybody. So it's just kind of a bit of a fascinating year. But as I look at the cable TV cord cutting with the majority of folks keeping the high-speed data cord cutting, it is an absolute game changer in the business, and we'll talk more about that in a bit. So That's what I've found so far.
Yes, we'll definitely be digging into that. Before we get there, you guys have already given guidance for 2Q '20. So I think investors have a pretty good broad idea of what you expect for the quarter. But I was wondering if there are any fine points to call out, any sort of core comp issues to the sort of biggest social distancing impacts in 2Q '20?
Yes. I think a lot of folks, ourselves included, found that we were beneficiaries of the pandemic. More people needed broadband who didn't have it. More people -- I'm one of those people. I had 3 kids in college, they all came home to do their colleagues, so we had a tier up to a higher speed tier, and that's something we saw. So I think many folks in our industry sort of benefited strangely from the pandemic and because of that, many folks in our industry are saying, you know what, 2020 was unusual. 2019 is the better comp to measure this year off of. I think we're in a different place because we just sort of unleased broadband first conceptually in 2019, we're sort of like a hybrid, like we're on fire and now and we're still growing. So I think you have to look at both of them. I think in terms of raw numbers, 2020 is a great comp. And we'll use that to benchmark for 2021. I mean in -- if you take the midpoint of our guide for Q2, we're talking about growing HSD revenues by 13%. So that's pretty impressive. Even though we're comping against the pandemic year. I think the 1 that will be a little bit maybe 2019 was the better comp is the actual HSD net adds. I mean we've got a very, very generous amount of ads in 2020 because of the pandemic. And whilst we're still growing, not quite at that pace. But it's rolling into the numbers, anyway, with the financial numbers. So we feel good about the quarter with 2 weeks ago. I can say that. That's the best kind of a look back 2 weeks ago. But yes, nothing unusual. Business is doing well. And 1 thing that's fascinating to me is that what we saw a lot of and it was very accretive to our ARPU is that not only did folks who not have HSD want to go get it, but folks who had it were tiering up. And then folks who tiered it up, all of a sudden, we're taking a look at like the Whole-Home WiFi product. And so we saw like a 500-basis point pop in ARPU and just see ARPU in the course of the pandemic year. And from my own personal experiences now that I'm up to in my own home, the 1.2 gigabyte offering, I doubt I'll ever go back even when everyone goes back to campus in September. And I think a lot of people feel that way. So it's fundamentally shifted the business in a very positive way. So we're sort of oddly beneficiaries of the pandemic.
Yes. So kind of beyond the permanent increase and the importance of broadband for all of us with remote work and school and play and promote investor conferences now. I'm wondering if it has also given you guys an opportunity to change how you run the company. So in what ways the company is different now than it would have been if the pandemic could have never happened.
Well, absolutely. There's many things that we did because of the pandemic, but we were already on the trajectory towards that. So fortunately, we were well prepared for the pandemic. Perhaps John has just talked about, and you've reinforced. It was certainly a big year for us as more and more people came into broadband who had been there before and then taking higher speeds, using more data and more and more taking products like the mesh network product of Whole-Home WiFi. But we also changed the offerings that we had on how they interact with us. So our self-install kits are available to customers who have high-speed data now. At the beginning of 2020, only about 30% of our customers availed themselves of that option. By the end of the year and into the first quarter, it's 80% that are doing their own self-installs. They prefer it's easy. They don't have to wait for us, although we're really good about being on time. But it really has been a win-win for the customers and a win-win for our business. We also are rolling out more and more easy ways for customers to interact with us remotely, whether it's online account management, live chats, reinforcing some of the benefits and upgrading our websites and streamlining some of the back office things just to continue to make our network reliable and making sure that we're very easy to do business with. So all of those things are here to stay for our customers. Internally, we certainly, like I said, are doing more of a hybrid work model and making our footprint for our offices more efficient.
Okay. So 1 of the key debates I'd like to dig into a little bit is whether WOW! endurably gained penetration, even just kind of a little bit each year. On one hand, your service leads the industry in satisfaction and the pricing is really compelling. But on the other hand, as you often say it's a challenger brand, and so you've got to fight for each customer that you want to win. So how do those 2 things add up? Can you kind of durably keep penetration moving in the right direction?
Absolutely. I believe that's what we've been proving in. So it's not just what I say but look at the actions of what we've been doing. We've had something like, I think, 8 quarters of subscriber growth. So we continue to drive up subscriber growth. Even as video subscriptions are down, we're hanging on to those customer relationships and keeping their Internet service and then adding other ancillary products on top of that. In addition, it's not just the new customers coming in the door, but it's continuing to delight the customers that we have. And we're very pleased with our low churn, be it in the voluntary churn, which is extremely low. So I think some of the lowest I've ever seen in my career throughout the industry as well as nonpaid debt and the bad debt portion is very low. Customers have really seemed to prioritize paying the broadband bill. And then we also have made sure we have programs out there like participating in the emergency broadband benefit of the program for customers.
Great. I think the next area that kind of goes hand-in-hand with that is competition. So competition question part 1 is, how competitive is the market today? You've got competitors that are giving away streaming video free with broadband or cash credit cards as an incentive for sign-ups or wireline, wireless bundles. So does your packaging need to evolve to counter that? Or do you have everything you need already?
Well, I think our numbers and our results would say that we're very effective at competing. So we feel good about the offerings that we have, how we put together promotions. One of the things that I think is a benefit to us is that we don't have a mandatory bundle to get the very best pricing. We really listen to our customers and are empathetic with them about how they want to enjoy video. And if they want to go straight to streaming and have our high-speed Internet service, we're not going to disadvantage them on the broadband pricing. And I think that helps us quite a bit. With that said, we are always evolving and listening to our customers and rolling out new products. So more to come. We always have more to come. And I think in our DNA for the last 21 years as a challenger brand we've always been competitive and always been trying to see what we need to do next to remain competitive. And I think customers appreciate that.
Great. On the second part of the competition question, investors have really lately been debating the incremental competitive threat from fiber and from fixed wireless build-out. So do you expect a lot of new fiber in your footprints? Or do you generally already compete with both fiber and cable providers? And how much fixed wireless do you think will be coming?
Yes. We don't have a lot of fiber-to-the-home overlap within our network. I would say because we already as the second or sometimes third provider in our markets, it's already pretty competitive. So it wouldn't be the most compelling case for people to come in and invest in new fiber. So for example, we can still compete up against a lot of DSL properties for some of our competition. In terms of the fixed wireless, once again, I think that is primarily for areas that are more center and denser population than some of the areas we serve. It is also an opportunity for us from a wholesale perspective with some of the backhaul contracts that we have. So right now, we do it as much as an opportunity and we're keeping an eye on it for the future. But right now, we feel great about the technology we have and how we serve our customers. So it has not been a huge issue or certainly not one that we can't do well against.
Great. So WideOpenWest has just started a usage-based billing pilot in 1 market about 2 weeks ago. Was that pilot designed to get the really heavy users to put the brakes on their usage or to get them to consider up-tiering or to kind of rightsize pricing for those heavy users. And with the caveat that it's very early in your 2 weeks in anything noteworthy that you've learned from that pilot so far?
Well, it is early on. So I can't say we have a lot of learnings yet. Really the thought of introducing it there is as a trial and in no way do, we ever want to limit customers' usage. So it's not about limiting customers' usage. I think it's really about listening to the customers leveling the playing field so that those customers who aren't using many terabytes of data per month aren't having to subsidize those who are. And our competition in that market also does usage-based pricing and the way we are pricing it is actually much more competitive and I think a little better alternative for customers. So we are just at the first phase of that, where we're letting customers understand what their usage is because they may not have known before. And then after they've gotten a chance to see that and maybe think if they want to adjust their plans, then we'll look at -- start charging them in the future months. We'll still give them a bit of a grace period as they figured that out. So we're really easing into it and trying to be very receptive to what customers want as we move that direction. So it's a trial to see how it goes in that market.
Great. Well, I'll definitely be listening in to hear future updates on that. We're starting to see the industry take the first tentative steps past 1 gigabit in some cases. So how big a task is upgrading your networks to offer faster than 1 gigabit speeds? 1 gigabit is definitely more than enough for most consumers' needs today, but could a faster product be compelling for an early adopter or [ technify ] your customer now or soon?
Well, thanks for saying that. You're right. Our products absolutely meet all the needs of our customers right now. And we do have a 10-gig product for our business customers if there are some needs that are out there. And we have built our network so that we really can over time, if there really is a need for some kind of consumers' plans there are much higher speed than that. We have a path to do that, where we don't have to tear up the sidewalks or the streets. We have the evolution with reclaiming bandwidth with what we're doing with our IPTV and our streaming services to reclaim bandwidth, which will help us also the evolution to DOCSIS 4.0. And honestly, today, already our technology group is trailing higher speeds in our labs. So should the demand be out there, we're ready to do it, and it is a natural evolution. We're always planning ahead for that. But right now, consumers are happy. And the speeds that we are providing are what they need.
Great. And what other than speed can you do to differentiate the product? I know that you've mentioned the mesh WiFi, the pod-type WiFi a little bit. So can you talk a little bit more about that and anything else that you're looking into?
Yes. Well, I mean, I think WOW!'s calling card and WOW!'s differentiation is really around our customer care, our empathy for the customers and how we show that in all of our interactions. We also not only have those high speeds, but we have the reliability of the network. People know they can count on us, the value-based pricing that we provide and quite honestly, just being a choice to the big incumbent providers. They don't always have the best reputations at times, whether it's deserved or not, and we're a happy alternative for customers on that. So I believe those things are advantages to us. From that, we certainly can build on our product portfolio, and we will be continuing to build on that relationship that we have with customers. I think we've rolled out more products for both consumers and customers in the last couple of years than we probably had in the 7 to 10 years before that. So the good thing is with all the heavy lifting we've done with a lot of our back-office systems over the last couple of years, we're in a position to really be nimble and do many more new things.
Great. So John, it was really interesting to hear you say in February that the company could get to be less than 100,000 video subscribers in 3 years. Is there a day coming soon when you might get out of the video business entirely and your whole role is to provide really good broadband service and maybe an introduction to a virtual MVPD for those who want that?
Yes. It's interesting. And out of our subscriber base, only 36% of our subscribers have TV at this point but 96% have HSD. We dropped 32,000 TV RGUs in 2019, and that shot up to 65,000 in 2020. So just following that math, along it's very easy to see how we get to sub-100,000 in the next couple of years. There are still people out there that sort of love this curated TV package that a cable company can offer, my [ sainted parents ] for those people. There are oil paintings of them in the calls of Comcast. They took every layer of TV, and they took every price increase and in their 90s, they certainly watched TV for 14 hours a day. So I don't think it goes away anytime soon, but it's going to be vastly reduced. To be honest with you, there'll still be some folks. It's generational. In the case of my own kids who are ages now 20 to 24, they don't have TV. They're never going to have TV. They just like screens and they'll stream all their stuff in. So we'll see it come down dramatically. As to MVPD or even MVNO, I'd say on the table, but not in the cards in the short-term. We're focused right now on broadband first and increasing the penetrations across the network. But those are certainly areas that come up a lot and we talk about them, and we think we can do them, but we want to focus on Stage 1 right now, which is fundamentally transform the business into a mostly broadband business.
And so a sharper video subscriber decline obviously would mean a sharper video revenue decline as well. And then the programming expense will come down in tandem with that. But how easy or hard is it to identify other OpEx that can come out of the business to make sure that you can still grow EBITDA even while you've got these video revenue declines?
Yes, it's fascinating. And it was 1 thing to talk about broadband first and then the other thing is to start to see it showing up on the numbers. So to give you some perspective, when we look at our high-speed data, high-speed data is like a 97% gross margin product and TV is like a sub-20% gross margin product. And TV disproportionately drives more cost into OpEx than does its counterparty HSD. And there are several reasons for that. One, calls into customer care center for TV take a long time to resolve. 20% of the time, the call results in rolling the truck again, just like versus HSD, where basically, if you haven't figured this out in 30 years, the kid will tell you to shut the modem off, wait 30 seconds and turn it back on that usually like resolves the issue like most of the time versus like a 20-minute phone call to fix something. But video also drives a disproportionate amount of CapEx. So it's almost always a truck roll. The CPE for TV is far more expensive, just maintaining the infrastructure, the head end is far more CapEx. So as we start to see the diminishing -- diminishment of video as part of the business, which is going to shoot down into the numbers. And to give you some perspective, I mean, as of Q1, 53% of total revenue now was driven by HSD. So with TV going down to sub-100,000 subs, as I said, we could look at a point in 3 or 4 years from now when HSD revenues like 80%, so 80% of your revenue. And as it continues to grow, I think we can get to a point where we could have top line revenue not dissimilar from where we are now, but 80% of it is driven by HSD. And that is -- that's broadband first and if its finest that's a game changer. That's a completely different business. Does TV ultimately go away? I think it does. I just don't know how soon. There's a lot of folks out there like veterans who are not going to give up the TV. One thing we are doing, though, is helping them get off the traditional linear TV, which is off of the QAM network and on to the WOW! IP -- WOW! tv+ plus product that we have, that's our IP-based solution. So a real goal for the company is to get all of our services on the IP networks and that opens up a lot of possibilities for us going forward. So look for us to get that done in the next couple of years. So it would be IP all the time not for everything.
And just really quickly, the benefits of that is that more space in the network and so faster speeds enabled, cheaper CPE, better user experience or all of the above?
Again. Yes. By getting rid of the QAM network component, you get a large reclamation of bandwidth, which will become important because folks are going to want about 1.2 gig. Now they're going to have 2-gig and 5-gig and 10-gig. So that helps us do that. And then being on an all IP-based network sort of opens up our growth opportunities. Whereas a big growth opportunity, as historically we've been doing Edge-Out. So on the perimeter of our network, expanding that a little bit further. But if we were all IP, we could move more into like a greenfield concept and you could actually sort of build out incremental network on places that aren't necessarily on the periphery of your network and really kind of the world becomes your oyster. So there's lots of reasons to do it for sure. So we're focused on it. That's part of the broadband first mantra.
Great. Well, I'll definitely be keeping an eye out on that transition then. Just last month, WOW! had an interest rate swap expire, which will provide a nice benefit starting in kind of half of this 2Q. Would you look to put a new floating for fixed swap in place for the remaining 2 years of your term loan?
The day, well, after getting married and my kids being born, the data swap expired was the greatest day of my life just so. So we had an interest rate swap fixing LIBOR at 2.76% on $1.3 billion in notional value of our term loan. The term loan has a stated value of a LIBOR with a minimum of 1% plus 325 basis points. So the swap was costing us $24 million a year in free cash flow. So we're going to pick up $13.5 million in this year alone just because the swap isn't there. And if you start thinking about that, we did $44 million in free cash flow in 2020. You can add $14 million on to that and then oh! boy more broadband less video and you can kind of get to the story of how is it better in the next 3 or 4 years, they're going to get to $200 million, $200-plus million in levered free cash flow. And that's 1 of the ways. I think that interest rates are so low still, and LIBOR is low enough now, it's like 25 bps. I wouldn't look to do a hedge contract. Our debt matures in August of 2023, which means that well before August of 2023, I'm going to be back in the debt markets anyway during the amendment and the expansion. So we'll look at it at that time. But for now, we are just going to bask in the glory of all that cash flow that came back to us because it's impactful. And it also is going to help us with delivering. So when Teresa joined 3 years ago, I think the company was 6.5x levered. When I joined about a year ago, we were 5.5x levered. As of Q1, we got down to 5x levered. I think we've got a path to get below 5% this year. So it's really, really important to be a public company and to be levered that highly is not very helpful to the equity value of the company. And so we want to keep that going. When I look at our peer group of other cable providers, I think the group on average is around 4.4x leverage. So that would be like the first target for me. And I think we can do better than that as we start to generate more free cash flow. So it's a methodology to get there organically as we start to roll into the broadband first for sure. And then there's always ways to get there quicker, faster, sooner inorganically if they want to go down that route.
Sure. So I'd like to dig in a little bit more on both of those. So it's been very clear that deleveraging is the top management priority in the near-term. Further out, is that kind of low-4s leverage level, the right level for the longer term? And can you help us think about how you allocate capital after you've gotten there? So how you would balance Edge-Outs, further delevering or shareholder capital returns?
Yes. So look, we're pivoting the business to a broadband business. And the company has had for the last several years and still have today sort of the 3 pillars of growth. One is more HSD, higher tiers, more of it sold. The second is to sort of expand our commercial business. And then the third was Edge-Outs, it's the growth engine. And I think when you're as highly levered as we have been, it's kind of difficult to do that in a major way. We were spending pre-pandemic about $30 million a year and trying to pass like an incremental 35,000, 40,000 homes doing that. We slowed everything down to pandemic because the construction crew is going to get out there. But I think to the extent we were far less levered and we wanted to deploy our capital differently if we saw the opportunities you could see us doing sort of increased sort of agile activity or maybe even the greenfield activity when we're predominantly an IP-based network. And that's critical. And what you think we don't just randomly say, "Hey, let's go Edge-Out here. There's an intensive amount of modeling done and picking the targets and figuring them out who are the competitors and what theoretical penetration rate can we get to? And it's an IRR-based model that a lot of effort goes into. And we have a construction crew in the company beyond anything I've ever seen. And so these folks know how to go out and build stuff. So having more money available to go do that, would just help us grow quicker, faster, sooner. And I think that's the plan going forward. We did take a pause for the pandemic, and we were historically spending around $30 million a year in Edge-Out capital. Last year, 2020, we knocked it down to below $10 million because we had no choice. This year, 2021, we're still going to stay at that lower level. And then in 2022 I think you'll see us focus on increasing the Edge-Out spend. So this -- the end of last year and this year, we've been really trying to just push our focus on just sort of penetrating more of the 200,000 houses that we've passed over the past years.
And then you mentioned asset sales as a potential option when it would a, delevering. But I was wondering if you could also talk about larger strategic moves. So when could a horizontal merger potentially make sense for the company and shareholders?
Yes. I think 1 of the things that's interesting, and again, I said it earlier, we're 1 of like the odd beneficiaries of a pandemic. I mean people didn't realize before how important the Internet is, now they really know. And it's like every few years, we figured out again. Well, it's important. And valuations have stepped up rather nicely. So looking at, in Q4 of last year, the astound transaction went at 12.5x. So when we're trading at 5.5x. Cable One Hargray is 12.5x transactions. Mercilessly we're trading at 8.5x right now. But the world sort of seen that value. So if we wanted to think about deleveraging quicker, faster, we could think about maybe selling a market or 2 of the [ '19 ] that we have. We've done this before. We bought them and we've sold them. So if the right one came to the table, again, everything is always on the table until we take it off the table. So that's 1 method. We're a public company. So essentially, we're for sale every day. You can buy 1 share of stock, you go buy all the shares of stock. So that's always a possibility as well. And then merging in with somebody bigger is always on the table as well if the right opportunity came along. So we'll look at all of those things all the time. And we've had inbounds back and forth for years. So it just depends on when the right moment is. But one of the really nice things, I think, for the company now that we're fully into the sort of pivot into broadband first as I think we've sort of woken up the investment community a little bit to take another look at WOW!. And I think we're making all the right moves. I think it's showing up in the numbers, which is always helpful. Last thing I want to hear about is what I'm going to do, and we're showing you that it is actually happening. So I think that's awesome. And oddly enough, more expensive things are more appealing to people than less expensive. We'll do our best to keep raising the stock, but should we have that conversation.
Yes. So last 1 for me. Is there anything we should have covered today that we didn't get to or any closing thoughts that you would each like to leave us by?
I think it's just that now is really a great time for the WOW! story, and we're out there a lot with John and Andrew at the forefront really telling the story to investors. There's been a lot of great work that happened over the last few years, and the time is right for us, especially with the importance of broadband in our society. We are really at the right place at the right time with the services that we offer. And we're excited to serve our customers and excited to tell investors about our story.
Great. Well, then I think we'll leave it there. Teresa and John, thank you both so much for being here today and really enjoyed the conversation.
Thank you, Grant. Nice to see you again. Bye-bye.
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