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XP Power Limited (XPPL.XC) Earnings Call Transcript

August 5, 2025

Industrials Electrical Equipment earnings 47 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Gavin Griggs executive
#1

All right. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today, whether in person or online. [Operator Instructions]. Okay. So I'll start with the highlights and key takeaways. Matt will then cover the financial performance, and then I'll go into more color on our trading performance by sector and the progress we've been making across the business. So turning to the highlights. As I've said before, our focus has been on things we could control and improving our operational and cash performance while we prepare for the market recovery, and that is what we've been doing. We've improved -- further improved our supply chain and operational execution while continuing to win with customers. This is against the backdrop of the unusually challenging trading that has been going on for the last couple of years across our industry, but we are starting to see the start of the recovery and the end of destocking in 2 of our 3 sectors with a solid performance in the third sector. Overall, orders were up 31% on the prior year and up 19% on the second half of last year, and we saw a book-to-bill above 1x for the first time since the second half of 2022. The focus on operational performance has resulted in gross margin improvement and a further reduction in our inventory levels. The performance gives us confidence that we can return to mid-40s gross margin when the markets fully recover. So we are seeing positive signs in all 3 sectors, and we expect a stronger second half of 2025 after a weak first half. But the precise timing of the full recovery remains difficult to predict with the broader macroeconomic concerns. On that, I'll hand over to Matt to cover our financial performance.

Matthew Webb executive
#2

Okay. Thank you, Gavin. Good morning, everyone. So let's just review the numbers starting with some KPIs. So I'll start with revenue. First half revenue of GBP 110.9 million was 11% lower than the prior period in constant currency as the rate of customer destocking reached a peak within the industrial technology and health care sectors. Encouragingly, whilst revenue slowed, order intake improved markedly. Order intake for the first half totaled GBP 112.7 million, which was 31% -- up 31% on the prior period in constant currency, with progress broadly based across all 3 market sectors, which was particularly pleasing to see. The improvement in orders helped to drive book-to-bill above 1. Whilst the markets showed encouraging signs of improvement, our focus remained unchanged, that being to serve the customer, deliver our long-term strategy and maintain the cost and cash discipline that has served us well to date. There is clear evidence of this discipline within the numbers, as I will highlight. Adjusted gross margin increased by 80 basis points to 41.4% with cost reduction and supply chain efficiency improvements, overcoming reduced leverage of fixed factory overheads in a lower revenue period. First half adjusted operating profit of GBP 4.8 million benefited from some additional overhead efficiency measures, but was held back by a significant currency headwind that was largely one-off in nature. We are confident that our underlying rate of profit generation as we enter the second half is greater than our first half performance, and I've got a slide that explains that later. Adjusted cash conversion was once again strong at 290%, helped by a 16% reduction in inventory in the period. Net debt closed the half at GBP 57.9 million, representing leverage of 1.8x, slightly lower than our expectations at the time of the recent equity raise. Okay. So let's take a brief look at the income statement. As I mentioned, revenue reduced by 11% in constant currency and by a further 2% due to currency movements. Gross margin increased by 80 basis points to 41.4%, and I'll explain how this was achieved later. Operating expenses of GBP 41.1 million were significantly impacted by currency movements. The dollar weakened materially towards the end of the period, reducing the value of certain dollar-denominated assets in our balance sheet, resulting in a one-off revaluation charge of GBP 2.3 million in H1 2025. This compares to a gain of GBP 0.5 million in H1 2024. The year-on-year swing in this one item, therefore, drove the majority of the GBP 3.1 million increase in expenses shown here. Absent the currency impact, underlying overheads increased only marginally with targeted headcount attrition offsetting the cost of inflation. Net finance expense reduced to GBP 4 million. Net debt at period end was just over half of what it was a year ago as we have prioritized continued deleveraging. The half year effective tax rate was high at 75%, but this can happen in a period of relatively low profit as there is a greater chance of unrelieved tax losses in some jurisdictions. This should improve in the second half with the full year rate expected to be 30%. Further profit growth should lower the tax rate thereafter. All of this resulted in adjusted EPS of 0.4p. Okay. Order intake was undoubtedly the highlight of the period. It increased by 31% on the prior year and 19% sequentially to GBP 112.7 million. You can see from the bottom chart that all 3 sectors contributed to the improvement, albeit we saw the strongest progress from the 2 sectors here the 2 most impacted by channel destocking, namely industrial technology and health care. We have not yet reached what we would consider to be normal order intake, so there's still a way to go, but growth in these sectors is an important and much anticipated step in our recovery. The progress was not only broad, but it was also sustained. Progress sustained sequentially from half to half, but also within the half from quarter-to-quarter in constant currency terms. Okay. So revenue slowed by 11% in constant currency to GBP 110.9 million, which we expected. The reduction was driven by customer destocking within the industrial technology and health care sectors, which based on the improvement in order intake would appear to be in its final stages. Sales into the semi sector, which have been less impacted by the destocking cycle, were only slightly lower than the prior period despite that period benefiting from a significant amount of backlog clearance within our high-voltage high-power business. This, therefore, required strong double-digit growth elsewhere in that sector, which was encouraging to see. It was also encouraging to see revenue grow by 12% from Q1 to Q2 as increased order intake began to underpin and increase our sales. Okay. So with the market showing signs of improvement, we have remained just as focused as ever on cost efficiency to accelerate the progress towards recovery. Let's start with the actions taken to improve gross margin. It is very challenging for any manufacturing business to maintain its gross margin in a period of slower sales. Factories come with a high fixed cost base that is not easy to reduce as volumes slow. And clearly, we have seen a slowdown. So our revenue is currently around 30% lower than the peak in 2023. And yet our gross margin is essentially the same as it was then. How have we achieved this? By making it a priority to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of our supply chain in a period of slower activity, better sourcing deals, better purchasing, reduced inventory holding costs, rationalization of fixed costs and more low-cost country manufacturing to name but a few ongoing initiatives. The benefits of this work in the half are shown in the top chart. There is more to come, which makes us confident that we can return our gross margins to mid-40s levels as volumes recover. Now let's cover operating costs. Most of the major actions to reduce overheads were taken by the start of 2024, but we have taken advantage of some natural headcount attrition where appropriate to generate some additional savings to help fund, wage and other inflation while recovery gains momentum, as shown in the bottom chart. I mentioned earlier that we believe our run rate of profitability as we enter the second half is greater than the first. This slide explains why. So firstly, we expect the recovery to continue and for revenue to grow, but I'm not quantifying that here. I am quantifying the beneficial impact of 2 items that are wholly within our control, FX and cost savings. You said -- you heard me say earlier that the FX headwind we experienced in the first half was one-off in nature. How can I be confident of this? Well, because it overwhelmingly relates to the revaluation of intercompany balances that we are now removing in order to reduce our FX volatility going forward. If we had removed them before H1 started, our profit would have been GBP 2.3 million higher. We have also taken further cost reduction actions recently that did not fully benefit H1. We expect the profit benefit from these actions to increase by GBP 1.6 million from H1 to H2. Most of these savings will arise within cost of sales. Taking account of these items, our pro forma H1 profit is GBP 8.7 million. Revenue growth in H2 would be in addition to this. Okay. So turning to the cash flow. We turned GBP 4.8 million of operating profit into GBP 13.9 million of operating cash. This increased the total amount of operating cash generated since our funding plan launch in late 2023 to GBP 91 million. Over the same time period for your information, we have delivered GBP 26 million of annualized cost savings and lowered our inventory by GBP 41 million cumulatively, far surpassing the original targets of that plan. This has significantly benefited our funding position. CapEx, including capitalized product development, totaled GBP 4.7 million net, albeit this was reduced by GBP 2.4 million of contributions from a government grant and a landlord contribution, meaning that gross CapEx was GBP 7.1 million. This included GBP 1.5 million spent on Malaysia, which is progressing well. Period-end leverage was 1.8x, including a 1.2x reduction from March's share placing to improve balance sheet resilience. Okay. So we have monitored and managed the U.S. tariff situation closely, and we are satisfied with progress overall. Our major tariff exposures by country are shown at the top of the slide and are as previously disclosed. This translated into a GBP 1 million incremental cost in the first half, which we have recovered in selling prices. We are pleased to see -- we were pleased to see relatively low tariff rates agreed with both Vietnam and Malaysia compared to other competing nations. As you can see, our exposure to U.S.-China trade is low and it is reducing. We expect to be able to continue to mitigate or recover the impact of tariffs going forward. Okay. Some quick comments on 2025 modeling assumptions. We continue to expect an H2 weighting for the reasons I set out on Slide 11. We do expect some sequential revenue growth in H2, which you can assume drops through at 50% to 60% of revenue. The amount of revenue growth will become clearer once we have Q3's orders. We expect to pass through any unavoidable tariff costs, but we are not aiming to mark them up, meaning that there will be an increase in revenue for no change in profit, meaning a mathematical margin erosion. This will be a natural headwind to the margin benefit of the supply chain efficiency actions that we continue to take. I've already mentioned the 30% tax rate for the full year. And regarding cash conversion will remain comfortably above 100% and total CapEx spend should be around GBP 20 million, including product development, slightly lower than previous estimates. So that's it for the numbers. I'll hand you back to Gavin.

Gavin Griggs executive
#3

Thanks, Matt. I just want to -- I know we've used this slide many times, but I just want to take a couple of minutes to talk about our strategy and how our consistent application of it positions XP for a strong future. So just highlighting a few key points here on this chart. Our focus is on accelerating and maintaining organic growth. We have a market-leading product portfolio, which we have significantly enhanced in the year through new product launches and customer-specific products. We're focusing on working with our customers where we bring our extensive specialist knowledge to solve their power problems. and NPI with our customers is almost at a record level. Building on these relationships will definitely drive growth over the medium term. We also continue to invest in our business. to ensure we can deliver on our medium-term potential. So far in 2025, we've opened a new design center in Manila in the Philippines and the Malaysia production -- new production site in Malaysia is on track to be completed by the end of the year for commissioning in 2026. The key point is we've consistently applied this strategy, and that has enabled us to deliver growth ahead of the market, including during the last couple of years of weakness. And we believe we remain in a strong position to deliver our ambitions in the medium to longer term. So just for clarity, we continue to focus on structural growth markets where we have market-leading positions. As you know, each of the semi, health care and industrial tech markets have faced challenges in recent times, but the fundamental drivers underpinning their long-term growth trajectories remain firmly in place. The semiconductor end market is in growth, driven by multiple factors, including AI, machine learnings, shift to electric vehicles and the digital transformation across many different industries. This will translate into the growth in the wafer fabrication equipment in the short term, which will continue to benefit us. The destocking in health care and industrial tech is nearing the end with many customers back to normal order patterns. We are seeing further order growth, and we are seeing further order growth driven by innovation in multiple industries. When the markets fully recover, we believe we're well positioned to benefit from tailwinds with recent customer wins and new products coming to market adding to this. Talking to new products. I just wanted to take -- talk about our strategy. I just want to take a few slides to highlight the progress, we've been making on delivering our strategy. So this page shows a range of our new products have come to market. Having a market-leading product set is key to our strategy, and we've been stepping up our innovation over recent years. On this page, you can see a range of some of the products that we brought to market so far in 2025. They're all market-leading products ranging from low-voltage, low power for medical and industrial tech applications to a configurable multi-output power supply with a digital core and industry-leading power density. They also expand our reach into new areas such as battery charging infrastructure and semiconductor test equipment and build our portfolio in focus areas like semiconductor and analytical instruments. The other way of looking at this chart is to consider the expected future revenues. We track both new products and customer projects the same way, the best year value of that product, i.e., what is the expected peak year revenue over the product or project life cycle. For new products, we target to add $30 million per year of best year value. This can be through many smaller products or through larger, higher potential products. The products on this page vary in potential from circa -- best year value from circa $2 million to circa $15 million per annum. And in total, they represent $30 million of best year value, i.e., we've hit our target for the year in the first half of the year with more to come in the second half of the year. We continue to be successful with customers, and we have a strong pipeline to fuel future growth. As I said, we manage our customer projects and our pipeline by tracking the indicative best year value. Given the number of customer projects we supply, some of these are in their infancies, some are at their peak, while others are nearing the end of life. Today, we have a total of $850 billion of live customer projects in varying parts of their life cycle. And you can see from the chart on the left, the strong growth, 12% CAGR since 2019, representing the customer wins we've been maintaining over that period. This gives us confidence in the short to medium terms as projects naturally go through their growth life cycle. We also continue to add to this with new customer wins. If you look to the bottom part of the left-hand chart, we have a further $625 million of customer projects in our live pipeline, i.e., we're actively working on them, including $320 million where the customer has received the sample from us and are finalizing the project or product. Now we will not win all of this, but it does try to indicate the scale of opportunity. Our established customer relationships, combined with the new products will ensure this momentum of customer wins continues, and we're well positioned in each of our sectors as these markets resume their long-term growth. Our markets are changing faster than ever, and we are driving this with innovative new product development and customer wins that demonstrate how successful we're being with our customers. When customers are changing, particularly in semi and health care, now they want solutions to problems or challenges provided by long-term partners. They are focused on outcomes, not just the power supply, which few of our competitors can deliver. We're providing integrated solutions built on existing products to customers. We develop integrated solutions, combining the power supply hardware with firmware to integrate with the customer's product or tool. This requires a change in culture and mindset, and our North American business is very much leading the approach across XP. So if you look to our North American business, covering the engineering services products, the high-voltage and RF product solutions, circa 85% of our revenue comes from designed-in solutions, the balance from standard products. Asia and Europe are following this trend, but a few years behind. So just to summarize the progress we're making. We have a strong new product development program, combined with a solution mindset is driving continued success with our customers, which gives us confidence for the future. I now wanted to cover each of the sectors and talk about what's going on as we're seeing. Industrial Technology, it's a strategically important segment of the global technology value chain. Latest forecasts suggest the market will grow at circa 7.5% over the medium term. If you look to the graph, you can see the impact of the stock build in 2023 and the destocking in '24 and '25. This is -- to the revenue, but you can see a very different trend in the orders, which are up 47% in the first half with a book-to-bill of 1.2. Now within Industrial Tech, there are many -- it's a very diverse sector, but we also include here our high service level distributors like Digi-Key, Mouser, RS and Premier Farnell. The order intake from these distributors who are typically good bellwethers for the wider market grew by 91% year-on-year in constant currency in the first half as the distributors start to restock as the end customer demand picks up. In the broader sector, a key driver of this growth is innovation by our customers. Our customers' applications are becoming increasingly more complicated and connected, and our focus has been making our products digital to support customers' requirements. Within Industrial Tech, we focus on many subsectors with good long-term growth potential and attractive niches. Typical applications are in areas such as robotics, analytical instruments, test and measurement. So in summary, destocking is coming to an end customer by customer, and we expect the momentum in this sector to continue in the second half of 2025, but at differing speeds across the globe with North America leading Europe and then Asia. Turning to the semiconductor manufacturing equipment sector. As you know, this is a highly specialized and strategically important sector -- segment of the broader technology landscapes. Forecast suggests AI and data will drive the end market to over $1 trillion by 2030. The manufacturing equipment sector is very much linked to this growth in the NT semiconductor demand and significant investment over the coming years will be required to meet the end demand. Our products for this market are complex and have long qualification and life cycles, leading to a very strong customer lock-in, high barriers to entry and good levels of recurring revenue. This market is a -- remains a great opportunity for XP, and we are well positioned with the leading players as we see a step-up in the new projects across the differing processes. With semi, we're through the trough, orders are in growth, up 10% year, and revenue will start to recover despite cycling the 2024 exceptional high-voltage demand and our exit from the China market. And finally, health care. This remains a long-term growth opportunity for XP. Customers demand the highest level of precision, safety and regulatory compliance and the power supply is integral to many solutions and customers see XP as a key partner. The market remains strong and customers seeing good demand levels. So the underlying demand is being masked by destocking and is stronger than our reported results suggest. Medical device market is also showing strong growth, which is forecast to continue above 6% out to 2030 using the external data we have. So what's driving it? What are we seeing? Well it's the 2 megatrends of the aging global population, but probably more importantly, innovation in medical technology. So we're seeing ongoing infrastructure upgrades, but innovation is driving products into new areas such as pulse field ablation, robotic surgery, advanced diagnostics and the innovative use of technology for patient treatment, and we're a partner for many of the health care players in these areas. We're also at the start of the AI impact on medical imaging and patient treatment devices and growth in new treatment technologies driving innovation and solutions that we can provide. We're also in this sector, seeing destocking come to end with many but not all of our key customers, and order intake was up 33% in the first half of the year. In summary, we expect demand to continue as inventory is used up and growth to return during the second half of 2025. And finally, I just want to talk to our outlook. The markets are definitely improving with clear signs of destocking coming to an end. We're mindful of the wider macroeconomic environment and how it could impact overall demand, but we -- with the destocking coming to end, we see improvements. As Matt has outlined, we've taken further steps to improve our profit performance, including further efficiency gains and cost reductions that will improve the second half performance. This also gives us confidence we can return to the mid-40s gross margin and towards 20% operating margin. Looking forward, we believe we're well prepared for the market recovery. We're confident the end markets will resume their long-term growth trajectories. Our well-established customer relationships in the right sectors provide clear growth opportunities, and we have a healthy pipeline of new product launches and design wins. In summary, we're well positioned for growth as the market and order levels recover. On that note, we're ready to take your questions. Let's start with questions in the room before taking questions online or on the phone. [Operator Instructions].

Thomas Elgar analyst
#4

Tom Elgar, Deutsche Numis. I've got 2 or 3, if that's all right. I think just firstly, on that product pipeline slide, obviously, really interesting, that 12% relative CAGR you've talked about that. I mean could you elaborate a little bit more on potentially the balance of market share gains versus expanding your addressable markets? Because obviously, you referred to there, the sort of technology solutions transition that you're going part as part of that R&D. So just kind of dig into that a little bit. And then I guess on that, Asia and Europe, sort of 30% to 40% versus North America 85%. Just generally speaking, the sort of strategy ambition versus that balance, just firstly starting on that product pipeline.

Gavin Griggs executive
#5

So market -- short-term market share is always difficult to track with -- particularly with what's going on in the broader market with destocking. We're confident we're -- over the medium term, we'll be gaining share. Short term, it's literally customer by customer, whether your customer is coming out first or not. And we've got a real range. As I said, some customers are through. Others are still sitting on inventory. So it's difficult to call in the short term. But I think what we're trying to -- I was trying to demonstrate is we are -- through this down cycle, we've been -- we've maintained good relationship with customers and the appeal of the XP offering is still very relevant. And as I said, NPI with some of our customers is probably at record levels. There's a lot of innovation. And that innovation is very much at the moment, very North American focused. That's almost why you've got that big disparity between the 85% and perhaps the mid-30s to 40s of North America and Asia is a lot of that core innovation in semi, in health care is coming out of the U.S. We're also -- we've been doing it a lot longer. And it's why we were confident that the new innovation center we put into Silicon Valley, replacing our existing facility last -- sorry, yes, last year would be a success. And it's proving to be -- it's proving that very clearly just with the customer interest, customer demand, and we've now got an area we can showcase our portfolio. We've got customers will come in and engineers will come in and work with us in our facility rather than us having to go to them. So it's been a benefit. Does that cover?

Thomas Elgar analyst
#6

Yes. Yes. And then just following up on just obviously the continued or sustaining that sort of 30% order intake in Q2. So just trying to ask, I mean, in terms of what you're seeing from your customers, have there been any -- given the wider uncertainty, has there been any focus on -- just trying to get a sense of, I guess, the margin profile of that order intake? Are they focusing maybe lower cost items? Have you seen any sort of mix shift within that at all the uncertainty?

Matthew Webb executive
#7

No. I mean I think the one-- the good thing about the improvement in order intake that we've seen is it's been so broad.

Thomas Elgar analyst
#8

And then just lastly, on the -- obviously, you announced sort of the additional cost savings. I guess just is there anything you can talk to around where capacity now looks at from, say, a 2-, 3-year view given where you are with those actions? That would be great.

Matthew Webb executive
#9

Yes. So I think the cost savings that we've made and we've highlighted in the announcement, they're mostly within cost of sales. So therefore, that does some manufacturing capacity. I mean it's been quite targeted. So we talked about the high-voltage, high-power business having a great 2024 and a slower 2025 as a clear backlog. As the manufacturing volume is reduced, obviously, we -- our next step is then to look at the cost base. So there's been some cost saves there. We've transferred some manufacturing from China to Vietnam, again, to save some costs. So it's been quite targeted in that respect. Even despite those actions, we still have plenty of manufacturing capacity to spare. So we can accommodate a significant amount of growth, plus also we have Malaysia coming on stream.

David Richard Farrell analyst
#10

David Farrell from Jefferies. A couple of follow-on questions from that. Just firstly, around Malaysia as we go into next year and commissioning that. Is that coming on irrespective of where your order intake is? And what does that mean for kind of depreciation as we go into next year and progress in margins?

Matthew Webb executive
#11

Not irrespective. I mean I think, obviously, the key has been to get the building into a position where we can commission it as slowly or as quickly as we wish. So we will see how H2 develops and the speed of the sort of final commissioning will be determined by that.

David Richard Farrell analyst
#12

Okay. And just picking up on the kind of customer services revenue in the U.S. being at 85% -- what would that have looked like a couple of years ago when you're at peak? And is there a risk that kind of you're being selected because your nicheness in your ability to do that, but perhaps some of the more standard products that maybe you're delivering revenue from 2 or 3 years ago have gone elsewhere?

Gavin Griggs executive
#13

Okay. No, I haven't thought of it that way. No, it's -- they've absolutely been maintained. I don't think we've lost -- you get a natural life cycle. But once you're designed in, you are designed in for the life of it. So it's almost been the growth in other areas that's been doing it. So that 85% has been gradually increasing, but that's almost naturally the focus of that direct sales team. We going forward, there's probably a further growth opportunity for the more standard products. So we're -- the pickup in high service level distributors is a good example of that. We do need to -- we are considering options of how we do service the mid-tier of customers, which would generally be where standard products would be more appropriate.

David Richard Farrell analyst
#14

Okay. And then just a final question on semicon. I think book-to-bill was 0.88. I guess kind of your customers sounds as if they're kind of less optimistic about the kind of shape of recovery over the second half. Just kind of your thoughts about kind of trajectory in that market.

Gavin Griggs executive
#15

So if you look at customers' forecast for WFE for 2025, last week, you had some upgrading their outlook, some downgrading in their outlook. So the outlook for WFE is about $100 billion to $105 billion, the outlook for 2026 is plus 10% on that. So I think there's a -- there is some overall growth. The uncertainty is China. So for us, part of the book-to-bill message was we've stopped -- we still got some final shipments. We're not taking orders from customers in China. So that's one of the gap from one. The other is the high-voltage piece where we destocked last -- we had a backlog of demand for one of our -- with one of our North American customers for high voltage. That came to an end at the end of the year, as Matt highlighted. The -- within the sector, you've got very different dynamics by different customers. So it depends on what end markets they service. And one of them has been pretty robust through the whole cycle. The other is now placing significant orders and return to growth. So we're absolutely no concerns about semi market. There's just going to be some lumpiness to it as the things go forward.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#16

It's [ Tom Rands from Berenberg. ] Three questions, if I may. I'll take them separately, just to make it easier for you to write down. First one is just on the very strong growth in the distributor channel. Is there any extra kind of detail you can give us from kind of within those -- I think you mentioned 4 kind of key customers from regions or any kind of particular end market or any detail that they give you because I think the detail historically has been very good that they provide. Anything you can give to give us a bit of extra color on that growth and maybe what we could expect in the second half? -- start of 10, please?

Gavin Griggs executive
#17

Okay. So of the ones I quoted, some of them, if you think of Digi-Key, they have one global warehouse. So we will ship all of our product into that warehouse in the U.S., and they will then distribute globally from it. We do get -- the extra detail we do get from -- we do get the point of sale of what their end customer doing, and we also get detail on the inventory holding that they're doing. We know their target inventory levels, and we see that they're coming down -- they've been above those target inventory levels over recent years. They're now coming much more into equilibrium. Hence, they're starting to place orders ahead because of the lead time just to make sure they have the inventory in place to service end customers. As to -- it's very broad across as to what -- where it's going. We don't get that level of detail. The weight of purchase is generally increasing, which is a good indication. It's about 4, 5 -- I don't -- but it is generally increasing as companies feel more optimistic. In total, I mean, this is about 7% of our total revenue is through the distributor channel, the high service level distributors.

Matthew Webb executive
#18

Just add to that, I think it's also is a little microcosm of what we see generally in the business in as much as I think it's fair to say that the order intake growth that we've seen from North American distributors has been greater than what we've seen from others. So there seems to be a little bit more optimism, a little bit more willingness to hold a little bit more inventory in North America elsewhere.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#19

Okay. Good detail. Second question was around health care, new business wins. I think you mentioned in the statement kind of advanced patient treatment as an area where you're gaining. Can you just give us a bit more detail of what is advanced patient treatment kind of examples and why you think you're winning and how long you've been working on these customers and potentially what the longevity of these products could be?

Gavin Griggs executive
#20

The ones that come to mind, pulse field ablation, which is the treatment of the heart is -- if you just Google it, you will see the end market demand with a number of players. One has come to market -- to quote, it treats cardiac arrhythmia through pulse field electric replacing an induced thermal ablation, which risk of damage. It's expected to be -- it's about $1 billion market at the moment, growing at about 32% CAGR. So that's an area of -- it's real innovation where we've been working with a number of partners. They -- but this is only in recent years got last year got FDA approval. So it's very new. We've done products for cancer treatment, specific cancer treatment, where the end party is doing -- developing thing and they need a partner. It takes multiple iterations to come up with a finished solution. We're seeing work in -- for medical imaging where AI is being adopted. We're working with a number of partner there. And then the overall trend on robotic surgery. I mean it's now we're getting to specific robots for specific treatment. Before, it was more of a generic tool. Now we're getting for specific cancer treatment, for example. Okay?

Unknown Analyst analyst
#21

That's quite exciting stuff. Third question is for Matt on the intercompany balances and FX kind of volatility. And I guess the question is, why now? Is it just the volatility we've seen in the dollar? Or is there other kind of reasons why now is the right point to make these changes?

Matthew Webb executive
#22

Yes. I mean it's really the volatility. We -- I did identify this back in 2023, and we tried to solve it back then. I've chosen method of solving it could have given rise to a tax liability that I was keen to avoid. So that's why we didn't proceed with it at that time. Of course, I didn't expect the dollar to move by 10% in Q2 of this year. So if I could have my life again, I would have done it quicker. But nevertheless, we've got an alternative plan. We're confident in that plan, and we're going to get that delivered during Q3.

Lydia Kenny analyst
#23

Lydia Kenny, Investec. Just a few quick ones. On the inventory levels, obviously reduced quite significantly on much lower volumes. Could you maybe talk us through the strategy as that picks back up, how we should view working capital?

Matthew Webb executive
#24

Yes. So I think we say in the statement, don't expect sort of further fireworks on inventory in the second half. I think we are at, broadly speaking, the right level for the rest of this year. There might even be a slight increase for different reasons, but broadly flat. As we get into 2026, of course, we do expect certainly in the second half of this year going into 2026, continued revenue improvement. That would ordinarily mean more stock on the shelves. We do have a supply chain improvement project, which we're currently running, which I'm not in a position to share details with you today. But my hope is the efficiency savings we get from that will at least offset a good chunk of the inventory that we need for growth.

Lydia Kenny analyst
#25

And then the order book, kind of a burning question, visibility on that. Are these a lot more longer-dated projects? Or should we see a good chunk of that come through in H2 or early next year?

Gavin Griggs executive
#26

Always with our order book, you've got some short-term orders and some customers who put longer-term orders in place. So you've got a natural mix. It's -- we're almost -- we're back to normalized lead times of about 16 weeks, 4 months. So you get a good indication. But within there, there's always a range and it depends on customer planning.

Matthew Webb executive
#27

If your question is how much coverage do we have of the full year revenue as a result of our order book, if that's kind of where you were heading? Yes. I would just point you to the notes to the back end of our -- in the notes to the accounts, we run our usual going concern disclosures. It talks there about the percentage coverage we have, and you can actually work out from there what coverage we have today roughly.

Lydia Kenny analyst
#28

Great. And then on the sort of new product that we have. Are these designed alongside customers? Or are they just the next generation of the products?

Gavin Griggs executive
#29

They're the next generation. So they're all -- and then they will be used with engineering solutions to do it. So they're not customers -- none of those are customer specific.

Lydia Kenny analyst
#30

You talked about the increasing demand from customers for solutions as opposed to just taking the power supply units. What implications does that have for your manufacturing capacity? Where can you actually set up those solutions? And then kind of maybe partially linked to that, you talked about starting to open up Malaysia as and when it's necessary. What do you expect to be the first types of products that you make in Malaysia?

Gavin Griggs executive
#31

Okay. So the way we work with the solutions business, so we have -- so probably the easiest example is Silicon Valley. we'll have core products that just come from our normal supply chain. The design teams will work with customers to develop prototypes of what they need to their solutions. And we try and make sure we're the fastest prototype of any of the players in the market. So you might develop prototypes, you do prototype builds in Silicon Valley. When it gets to maturity or volume, we'll rapidly transfer it to Vietnam who manufacture those products. That's essentially the same model in Europe, where we have a smaller design team based in the U.K. who do that work with customers across Europe. I mean in Asia, there's a team in Singapore. But it's more -- it's U.K. and U.S. that do the local builds and then they'll ship to -- when they get to a volume, they'll ship move it to Vietnam. On what's going to be the first product out of Malaysia, I don't know is probably the best answer. where it is going to be -- to Matt's point, it was almost -- I think it was are we putting in place irrespective of what demand is? No. It will be looked to meet demand and business continuity requirements. It will be -- well, yes, exactly. And remember, when we build -- I mean, when we build a facility, it's -- the building is the main thing. That's what we will have. We then can choose to put in what we will. We will put in SMT lines to be able to do our own PCB boards, and then we'll do assembly of whatever products it will be. The intent is it is more -- the original intent was more on the complex products, but we -- that's still to be determined depending on requirements and demand. Turning to questions from the webcast. We really have 1 question, and it's for Matt. Matt showed that quarterly orders are recovering, but noted they have not yet reached normal levels. Can you add more detail on what you consider normal quarterly order figures?

Matthew Webb executive
#32

Yes. So I mean, I think probably the first thing to say is that, I mean, our peak revenue performance was obviously 2023, $316 million. What we know now is that, of course, that benefited from the channel stocking itself up. So I'm not going to suggest that normal is a run rate of $316 million. As to what the new normal is, that's a little bit more difficult to judge. But for me, it sort of feels somewhere in the sort of $250 million to $300 million kind of range, so you can work out the quarterly run rate from there.

Gavin Griggs executive
#33

Okay. Any other final questions? In that case, we'll finish the meeting there. Thanks, everyone, for joining in person or online. Thanks very much.

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