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Aegon Ltd. (AGN) Earnings Call Transcript

October 8, 2026

ENXTAM NL Financials Insurance shareholder_meeting 61 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Herzog executive
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is David Herzog, and I am Chair of the Board of Directors of Aegon Limited. On behalf of Aegon, I welcome you to Aegon's Extraordinary General Meeting of Shareholders. I hereby open the meeting. I'm pleased to welcome our shareholders participating in this meeting today. Let me introduce the people present with me here at the table. Lard Friese, Executive Director and our Chief Executive Officer; Albert Benchimol, Chair of the Nomination and Governance Committee; Mark Ellman, Chair of the Compensation and Human Resources Committee and Bieke Debruyne, Company Secretary. Also present here today are Onno van Klinken, our General Counsel; and Yves Cormier, our Head of Investor Relations. The other members of the Board of Directors as well as the principal representative of the company, Ms. Sonia Nauta are following the EGM in a virtual manner. I hereby appoint Bieke as Secretary of this EGM. She will keep the minutes to today's meeting. Before we continue, I would like to make a few remarks. First, in terms of procedure and given that the adoption of agenda item 2, is conditional upon the approval of agenda item 1. We will vote per agenda item and show the voting results per agenda item, respectively, after the voting for that item has closed. Second, Shareholders who have been registered through the e-voting portal prior to the start of the meeting and who are participating in a virtual manner have been directed automatically to the Lumi environment, in which they can vote and ask questions. To ensure a constructive dialogue with all our shareholders we have enabled, in the Lumi environment, a chat function as well as the possibility to ask questions live through a video connection. Shareholders who wish to ask their questions through a video connection during the meeting will be directed to the meeting by an operator. Please note that this may take a few moments. I have appointed Head of Investor Relations, Yves, to moderate all questions submitted, both through the Lumi environment and through the video connection. As a final remark, I hereby establish the following: This meeting was convened in accordance with Aegon's bylaws and the Company's Act of Bermuda as well as the legislation that is applicable in connection with Aegon's Dutch and U.S. listings. The attendance list for this meeting is currently being drawn up, and we will come back to that in a few moments. I wish you all a good and interesting meeting. Before we move to agenda item 1, the re-domiciliation proposal, Lard will give an overview of the journey that has led to today's meeting.

E. Friese executive
#2

Thank you, David, and good day, everyone. Welcome. Today, I will briefly explain why the proposed move to the United States is the logical step for Aegon and cover the progress we have made and share why we are so confident about the opportunity ahead. Over the past several years, we have fundamentally reshaped Aegon. We have executed our strategy and delivered on our commitments. We have strengthened our businesses, managed capital with discipline and allocated more of that capital to the strategic assets that matter the most for our future. We also strengthened our balance sheet. As a result, Aegon today is a stronger more focused company with the United States at the heart of our business. We are ready for the next chapter and ready to become a leading force in the U.S. life insurance and retirement industry. The United States offer a compelling opportunity. It is the world's largest and most dynamic insurance market. Americans are living longer. The need to prepare for retirement continues to grow and there is a substantial insurance protection gap. Transamerica is well positioned to help address these needs. We have a strong heritage and an iconic brand, established and growing protection and retirement franchises with compelling propositions and an expanding distribution network with unique access to reach Main Street America. Moreover, Transamerica's businesses reinforce each other. As distribution grows, it feeds into Transamerica's life and annuity businesses. And as retirement recordkeeping grows, it feeds ancillary revenues. That gives us a strong platform from which to grow and help more people protect their families and prepare for retirement. Transamerica's first half 2026 results reinforce our confidence in Transamerica's growth potential. Transamerica delivered strong execution across the business. World Financial Group surpassed 100,000 licensed agents and agent productivity and premiums per policy increased. In savings and investments, we maintained momentum supported by strong written sales and asset growth. And in Protection Solutions, Individual Life sales increased by 54% and outperforming industry growth and supported by the successful entrants in the instant decision market. Taken together, this means that we are reaching more customers, strengthening our market position and building a broader platform for profitable growth. And this commercial performance is also showing up clearly in the financials. In the first half of 2026, Transamerica's operating results grew by 10% year-on-year. Operating capital generation increased by 35% and gross remittances were up 18% in I would also like to note that our global asset manager and our international businesses are doing well. These results confirm that Transamerica is not only well positioned but already making progress in capturing the opportunity we see in the U.S. market. The logic behind the proposed move is therefore straightforward. Aegon has changed. The U.S. is now the center of our business, our strategy and our future growth. Following completion of the announced sale of Aegon U.K. Approximately 80% of our business will be in the U.S. Yet our head offices in the Netherlands, are legal domicile is in Bermuda, and we report under IFRS standards. The proposed re-domiciliation is about aligning with the reality of our business. This means moving our head office to New York City and becoming a U.S. tax resident. Moving our legal sea to Delaware and aligning Aegon's governance with U.S. market standards. We aim to report under U.S. GAAP as of full year 2027, aligning our disclosures with the U.S. market participants and making our performance easier to compare. We intend to adopt the Transamerica name at group level becoming Transamerica, Inc. Finally, our common shares will trade on both the New York Stock Exchange and Euronext with the New York Stock Exchange becoming our primary listing and supporting our aim of inclusion in U.S.-focused indices. Taken together, the proposed move aligns our regulatory framework and supervision accounting standard, listing and name with where we conduct most of our business and where we see the greatest opportunity ahead. The work to prepare for the proposed move is already well underway. In recent months, we have made strong progress across several important milestones. We announced the sale of Aegon U.K. sharpening our focus on the U.S. market. We reached an agreement with our largest shareholder, deferring on our future relationship and presented a proposed U.S. aligned governance framework. And this was the basis for a meaningful engagement meetings with investors in the past months. We implemented the necessary leadership and organizational changes to support the future group structure, appointing Will Fuller as President and Chief Operating Officer of Aegon as of January 1, 2027. We selected New York City as the future location of our head office. And I will be moving there early 2027 to lead the transition of our company from its new center. I'm excited that my mandate has been extended through 2030 to ensure continuity of management in this major transformation of the company. We issued a USD 500 million denominated bond establishing a U.S. yield curve. In parallel, we are advancing the implementation of U.S. GAAP and continuing the operational and regulatory preparations required for the transition. And finally, we intend to provide U.S. GAAP KPIs at our Capital Markets Day in December 2027 and giving investors visibility before we transition to U.S. GAAP reporting. There is still important work ahead, but we have a clear way forward, strong momentum and a disciplined path to get there. And all of this supports a clear ambition to become a leading U.S. life insurance and retirement company with a global asset manager and well-positioned international subsidiaries. We want to serve more customers, further strengthen our market position and build a bigger, better and more profitable life insurance and retirement company, a leader in the U.S. market. And we have the foundations to do that, an iconic brand, strong businesses and growing commercial momentum in a market with clear long-term demand for protection and retirement solutions. I'm excited about the opportunity ahead and confident in our ability to build a stronger future as Transamerica. I want to express my sincere gratitude to all my colleagues across the company. It is because of their incredible hard work and continued dedication to our customers that we can look forward to an exciting future. Thank you. David, back to you.

David Herzog executive
#3

Thank you, Lard. Before we move to agenda item 1, I would like to inform you that the attendance list of today's meeting is ready. Our first order of business is to determine whether the common shares of the company represented at this meeting, either in person or by proxy, are sufficient to constitute a quorum for purposes of this EGM. The quorum for a general meeting is set when 1/3 of the shares entitled to vote is present or represented. Based on the attendance list, I hereby establish that 64% of the issued and outstanding capital is present or represented at the meeting. Therefore, the quorum requirements have been fulfilled and we can proceed with the meeting. Before we move to the first voting item, let me briefly explain how you can vote via the Lumi application. The voting app displays the following options: For, against, withheld. After you have voted, the display will show your vote. If you want to change your vote, you can do so until the voting on the agenda item has closed. We will now move to agenda item 1, the re-domiciliation proposal. This is a voting item. The live voting for agenda item 1 is now open and will remain open until we have addressed your questions regarding agenda item 1. This proposal, if approved, allows us to complete the move we announced at our Capital Markets Day in December of 2025, re-domiciling Aegon to the U.S., renaming to Transamerica Inc. and putting in place a governance and capital structure aligned with the U.S. marketplace. The re-domiciliation proposal incorporates 5 items. First, a continuation into Delaware. Second, interim bylaws that provide for certain changes to take effect from and subject to the completion of the Vereniging Aegon split, including the reduction of the authorized share capital from EUR 720 million to EUR 504 million. From this point forward, I will refer to Vereniging as the Association. Third, the mechanics of exchanging the common shares B into a single class of common stock. Fourth, termination of the voting rights agreement with the association. And fifth, adoption of the Transamerica Inc. Charter and bylaws that will be effective with the re-domiciliation. As already mentioned by Lard, re-domiciling to the U.S. supports our ambition of becoming a leading U.S. life insurance and retirement group. It will simplify our corporate structure by aligning legal, tax, accounting and regulatory framework with the geography where we conduct the majority of our business. Upon effectiveness of the re-domiciliation, which is expected to occur on or about the first of January of 2028, our business, operations, assets and liabilities will be the same as they are immediately prior to the re-domiciliation. We will continue as the same legal entity without interruption and will continue to exist after the re-domiciliation as Transamerica Inc. Our common share will remain issued and outstanding and will become shares of Transamerica Inc. The governance framework in connection with the re-domiciliation was developed in agreement with the association and was informed by multiple engagements with various stakeholders over the past several months. The framework holistically aligns our practices with U.S. standards, including a phased implementation of annual director elections, a single class of common stock with equal voting rights, authorization of preferred stock as is customary for U.S.-listed companies, majority voting in uncontested elections with a resignation policy with respect to contested elections plurality voting and the elimination of the current 2/3 voting requirement. We are not asking shareholders to wait until 2028 for these governance changes to take effect. Bermuda law allows shareholder-approved governance changes to take effect during the interim period. Therefore, if the re-domiciliation proposal is approved, we will proceed on October 15, 2026, and effectuate the exchange of all outstanding common shares B held by the association against issuance of common shares on a 40:1 basis at which point our interim bylaws will become effective. We will now address your questions regarding item 1. May I invite shareholders participating virtually to ask their questions. You can either enter your questions in the chat function or you can choose to ask your questions live through the video connection. The operator will be available to assist you. Again, please note that connecting through the video connection may take a few seconds. Now we will address your questions. Moderator, are there any questions from shareholders via the chat or the video connection. Yes. So very good. So the first question from [ Yumanian. ] Does the Board intend to engage with shareholders before adopting any future material board-initiated bylaw amendments that could affect shareholder rights? First of all, thank you very much for that question. I will turn it to Albert here momentarily, but I want to convey that the Board and management have had a very robust engagement with shareholders over the course of the last many months. In fact, we have met with holders of shares of roughly 50% of our outstanding stock. And we value that interaction. It's very helpful to us because at the end of the day, we work for the shareholders. So Albert, over to you, please.

Albert Benchimol executive
#4

Thank you very much, and thank you for the question. So as we discussed during our engagement processes, we've tried very much as a design principle to align our governance to be aligned to best practices in the United States, the as well as the participants in the insurance and retirement industry. We feel that is the best way to position our company as a transparent and trusted organization. And so with that principle in mind, we found that over 95% of S&P 500 companies provide the Board the right to unilaterally change the bylaws. And so we think it does make sense for the Board of our company to have that right to make the unilateral change. We think that increases flexibility to respond to the various items that may come up in the future. without having to wait for any future vote. That said, this is not an exclusive right. Shareholders also have the right to amend the bylaws through the various proposals and voting processes. And of course, in addition to that, many of our core governance principles are actually embedded in our charter, which cannot be changed without shareholder proposal. So we believe that all of these structures together provide for a well-balanced governance. David?

David Herzog executive
#5

Thank you, Albert. Next question, please. Second question from [indiscernible]. If SEC Rule 14a-8 is materially weakened or rescinded with shareholders who validly submit business under the bylaws, still have access to including such business in the company's proxy statement or proxy card. Albert?

Albert Benchimol executive
#6

Thank you for the question. And this is definitely something that came up during our conversations with shareholders prior to this meeting, and we've been following that process. Just a little bit of context. This is a proposal that's come through with the SEC. It still has not been approved. We have no idea what will end up. So I think at this point in time, we have to recognize that it's still too early with too many unknowns to take a strong position going forward. Among the questions that we have, number one, will this pass? Secondly, one of the rationales for the SEC to propose this is to allow states to propose their own governance rules and guidelines, and we have no idea what Delaware will do at this point in time. So we need to see what the Delaware rules are. And finally, with regards to our design principles of aligning ourselves with best practices, I think it's important for us to take a look at what other companies do, especially members of our industry. So this is something that is obviously quite important, something that we will spend a lot of attention to, but we believe that at this point in time, it's a little premature to take any strong positions going forward. David?

David Herzog executive
#7

Thank you, Albert. The next question, please. So we have a question from the [ VEB, David Tomic. ] Hello, David?

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#8

The re-domiciliation clearly marks a new chapter in Aegon's transformation. It's fair to say that the company has undergone a significant de-risking and restructuring under the current management team. through the combination of its Dutch activities with ASR, for example, as well as the announced sale of Aegon U.K. After a prolonged period of challenges and so our performance the past few years have shown a gradual improvement in performance. And VEB appreciates the strategic direction and the improvements in commercial and financial performance under the leadership of Mr. Friese. Now the strategic choice to re-domicile to the U.S. seems rational. Having said that, and as Aegon rightfully mentioned as well. The U.S. insurance sector is characterized by intense competition for many insurers. And in this competitive landscape, Aegon may still be considered a relatively small player. And now I come to -- in this round to a couple of questions if you allow me. Now it is clear, as I mentioned that Aegon increasingly looks American with Transamerica representing around 80% of its operations. Aegon, in the shareholder circular states that the relocation could improve access to U.S. investors and indices and could also make its shares more attractive as acquisition currency and U.S. transactions. In this context, and that's the first question. What aspects of Aegon's business within its own control in your view, are both necessary and achievable to instill even more confidence among investors and improve Aegon's visibility and access to U.S. investors. That will be my first question. And the second question is what conditions in your view, must be met before Aegon undertakes M&A activity during the relocation, the U.S. GAAP implementation as well as CFO transition. And how will the Board establish that management has sufficient integration capacity without putting the existing business or reporting quality at risk.

David Herzog executive
#9

Thank you. Thank you very much for those two questions. Lard, I'm going to ask you to address question 1 first, and then we'll address the second question after you're done. Thank you.

E. Friese executive
#10

Thank you very much, Mr. [ Tomic. ] The -- if you look at the rationale, I think I've explained that in my opening statement of why we believe it's is the right step for us to take and the logical step for us to take. Our company in the U.S. had -- and the management team in the U.S. has over the last years demonstrated. To execute successfully on a plan to make the company grow and to make it stronger in importance. We are one of the fastest-growing life insurance companies in the U.S., top 5 in sales right now and growing faster than the market. We operate the largest our second largest distribution platform in the United States, which gives us unique access to mainstream American families. We operate a successful well-positioned retirement business with small- and medium-sized companies as the main focus where we are consistently growing. And in fact, the written sales that we had at the half year has been at the highest level since the last number of years. So our company in the U.S. is, we believe, ready for this new phase and ready to look at a successful future. Now we also believe that if we if we move to the U.S. and present our company basically relaunch our company in the U.S. capital markets, which the U.S. Capital Markets Day that we plan to host at the end of next year. We will then disclose our plans for the future, but it will likely be more of the same because -- what we have done is improve all these businesses that I just mentioned, which are all focused on one thing, which is serving an underserved market segment in the and large market segment in the U.S. marketplace, where we are demonstrating success. We are on the curve of good growth and profitable growth, and we will certainly continue to do so. So we believe that we're ready, and that's why we are proposing to relocate and asking for your vote on this today.

David Herzog executive
#11

Thank you, Lard. As for your second question about conditions to M&A as opposed to maybe conditions, I would offer to think about it in terms of dimensions to how we would think -- as a Board, how we would think about M&A and overseeing management in that activity, but it -- to me, it first starts with us. It first starts with the commercial logic of a proposed transaction so that it would be seen as being sound and logical. I think you can take some lessons from the current activity that we're under doing now. If you look at the relocation and the re-domiciliation, there is a tremendous amount of commercial logic that aligns the business and the oversight. So it's -- there's a commercial logic to it. The next would be thinking about it in terms of returns, while I'm not going to give any forecast or targets or thresholds, but it would be in terms of relative returns, putting money to work in one activity versus another, and to understand management's rationale. And maybe finally, understanding the risks, and there are lots of risk with M&A types of transactions. There's execution risk, there's transition risk. There's a -- there are many elements of that. And we would have in place or we do have in place a very robust and capable risk committee of the Board, but we would, as a Board, undertake oversight of that as a board. So again, no specific precondition but think about it in terms of the dimensions that would be involved. I hope that's helpful.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#12

Thank you for your reaction. If I may ask one follow-up perhaps right now. It's about the greater attractiveness of your shares that you mentioned as an acquisition currency, which is also a beneficial effect of the re-domiciliation. Now let me put it this way, if Aegon succeeds in its journey and shares re-rate after the re-domiciliation in due course. Is the company then willing to commit to assessing possible share funded acquisitions against the intrinsic value of the shares rather than the prevailing market price and to maintain the same economic return requirements?

David Herzog executive
#13

Lard?

E. Friese executive
#14

I think it's really -- thank you for your question, but I really think this is too early. Every acquisition will be judged at its own merits at that particular point in time. And so we are focused on our organic strategy, obviously. And if there is an M&A opportunity, we will evaluate this along the lines that David just mentioned, be very disciplined in it, and we cannot speculate at this point in time on any potential funding of that, and how the deal structure would work. And this is a way to -- I think this is too premature to do that.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#15

So the focus is absolutely on doing more of the same, as you mentioned, and getting ahead on your path of organic growth?

E. Friese executive
#16

Yes. So we operate the company out of the conviction that our business is well positioned in the United States. We are focused on serving an underserved, very large underserved part of the U.S. industry of the U.S. market, which are mainstream American families and companies, medium- and smaller-sized companies with employees for whom we offer pension arrangements and additional products. Our organic growth plan is clearly working as demonstrated by our numbers over multiple reporting periods. And that is always the focus on building our organic path and continuing to make progress with that. Now should we be confronted with an opportunity to accelerate that path through M&A activity. We will judge it at its own merits when it makes sense, we act. If it does not make sense, we will not. And that's the way we think about this.

David Herzog executive
#17

Thank you very much. Are there additional questions? Okay. If there are no further shareholders wishing to speak, we will proceed with the voting on agenda item 1. Please submit your vote now if you have not already done so. We will pause to allow all the votes to be submitted as within a few moments, we will close the live boating for agenda item 1. [Voting]

David Herzog executive
#18

The voting is now closed. We will take a moment to count the votes for agenda item 1 and present the outcome to you. Thank you for your patience. On your screen, you now see the voting results for agenda item 1. I hereby establish that the meeting has approved the re-domiciliation proposal, which includes: a, the re-domiciliation of Aegon by way of continuation into Delaware as a public company under the name Transamerica Inc., a Delaware corporation. B, the adoption of the interim bylaws with effect from and subject to completion of the association split, including the reduction of the company's authorized share capital from EUR 720 million to EUR 504 million as a result of removing the common shares B from our authorized capital. C, the authorization of the Board of Directors to acquire all of the issued and outstanding common shares B and Aegon's capital structure against the issuance of common shares on a 40:1 basis to give effect to the exchange of all common shares B for common shares, subject to and upon the completion of the association split. D, the termination of the voting rights agreement between the company and the association. And E, the adoption of the certificate of incorporation and bylaws of Transamerica Inc. Approval of the re-domiciliation proposal also means that we can continue and effectuate the exchange of all outstanding common shares be held by the association against the issuance of common shares on a 40:1 basis on October 15, 2026, at which point our interim bylaws will become effective. We will now move to agenda item 2, the Omnibus Incentive proposal. This is a voting item. And the adoption is conditional upon the approval of the re-domiciliation of proposal under agenda item 1. The live voting for agenda item 2 is now open and will remain open until we have addressed your questions regarding agenda item 2. Mark Ellman, the Chair of the Compensation and Human Resource Committee will present the Omnibus plan. Mark, over to you.

Mark Ellman executive
#19

Thank you, David. Ladies and gentlemen, before we ask you to cast your vote, I would like to share why we are bringing this proposal forward now, and how the plan has been designed. The proposed Omnibus incentive plan transitions us to a single U.S. style equity compensation framework as of January 1, 2027. This plan replaces our existing equity and executive long-term incentive programs, any awards previously granted under the existing plans will remain subject to the terms of those applicable existing plans. We are asking for approval now rather than waiting for the formal legal re-domiciliation to be completed because following approval, the company will begin operating in line with U.S. governance and market practice. Our ability to recruit and retain experienced senior leaders in the U.S. is a critical success factor for the transition and for building out our New York headquarters. Having the right equity compensation framework in place is central to that. On the size of the request, we are asking for 50 million shares, which represents 2.8% of all shares outstanding. We anticipate that pool to approximately cover at least 3 years of grants across a full range of award types. In addition, we expect our annual burn rate, and that's the percentage of shares that we annually use for compensation compared to the total number of shares outstanding will stay below 1%, which compares favorably to potential U.S. insurance competitors. The plan reflects investor expectations, and you'll see the specifics on the slide. Key protections include double trigger change in control vesting, no liberal share recycling and no repricing without shareholder approval of options. The design reinforces long-term alignment through minimum vesting and no dividends or dividend equivalents are paid on vested equity. Other features include a fixed share reserve with no evergreen provision and application of our clawback policy across all of our award types. I want to emphasize, our compensation philosophy is not changing. It remains firmly anchored in pay for performance and performance share units with a 3-year performance period will continue to be the main long-term equity incentive vehicles for our executives. Back to you, David.

David Herzog executive
#20

Thank you, Mark. We will now address the questions regarding agenda item 2. Moderator, are there any questions from shareholders via the chat or video connection. We have a question from [ VEB, Mr. Tomic. ]

Unknown Analyst analyst
#21

Questions related to this agenda item. But I also have some questions left with respect to two other issues, themes. First is the accounting regime and the transition from IFRS to U.S. GAAP as the main item. And is it possible to ask questions relating to the accounting regime at this point in time?

David Herzog executive
#22

Yes, let's address your questions. Thank you.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#23

And I'll start with the accounting regime, which as part of the re-domiciliation, Aegon is currently in the process of transitioning to U.S. GAAP, which as we can imagine, is an extremely demanding task on all fronts. Can you share anything with us on the progress? Any reasonable -- any recent notable milestones achieve, for example, or possibly even some setbacks perhaps incurred? That's the first question. And then second question relating to the transition is that in order to comply with the new requirements on the U.S. GAAP and facilitate transition process, Aegon has communicated that it expects to add staff, which seems logical. But recruiting staff, additional staff, high-quality staff with specific competencies is never an easy task. So could you update us on the current status of hiring new staff and what functions in particular does this entail? Third question with respect to the Dutch, the employees based in the Netherlands. So how many finance reporting and control positions currently based in the Netherlands must be retained through the first U.S. GAAP filing. And what specific retention measures are in place for those employees.

David Herzog executive
#24

Okay. Thank you very much. Lard, three questions, please.

E. Friese executive
#25

Thank you very much, [ Mr. Tomic, ] for your questions. On the IFRS, I agree with you. The IFRS move -- while moving from IFRS to U.S. GAAP is an elaborate piece of work. that we have started, and it's work that is progressing well. So we are quite pleased with the way the work that is encompassed in this program is progressing. It is really too premature to give you any insights into what the U.S. GAAP KPIs would be or what the U.S. GAAP differences with our IFRS reporting would be at this point in time. And at the appropriate time, we will give you full context on that. And I want to remind you that the full year 2027 financials will be reported under the U.S. GAAP framework, and that is something that we're on track to achieve. Also, we expect at the Capital Markets event at the end of next year that there will be some U.S. GAAP-based metrics used to guide our future financial objectives. It's -- we are -- it's not only -- it's not necessarily that we're adding -- that we're having more people in the end in our finance departments. The way to look at this is that there is a lot of work done in our head office in the Netherlands for many decades to ensure that we, as a listed company into stock exchanges can appropriately disclose our results. And as a result, we have a very experienced and high expert professional staff on finance in Amsterdam in our head office. Now that head office will disappear, and we will build up a new head office in New York, and we are busy doing that. So we are indeed recruiting in the United States and making sure that we have the right people in the finance organization, but also in other areas, the risk organization, for instance, legal, but also compliance and other parts of the business to ensure that we have a well-controlled and flawless transition from our head office activities in the Netherlands to our new head office in New York. That is an elaborate piece of work. We have established very detailed transition plans per department where all the activities have been codified appropriately and to make sure that we also know exactly how they are going to be handed over in a controlled manner to our colleagues in the United States, including the new colleagues that we have hired and are in process of hiring today. Now let me maybe immediately connect to your other question, which is what about the staff in the Netherlands? And how do you make sure that they are there to retain -- are retained for as long as we need them to fulfill their services and their work. If there's one thing that I am super proud of is what I'm seeing since we've announced the intention to move our company to the U.S. and that is that the professionality and the commitment and the hard work of our staff in the Netherlands who, to a large extent, know that ultimately, they will become redundant, that they are unwavering in their commitment, unwavering in the hard work, unwavering in delivering their expertise to the benefit of the company every day. It's really very heartwarming. Now obviously, we have ensured that we communicate effectively with our head office staff to continuously ensure that they understand exactly where we are in the journey and what it means to them. We've also put retention programs in place to ensure that also financially, there is an incentive for the people who are very critical to be there until the very end that they have also a financial reason to stay. That is what we believe is appropriate risk management, and we have ensured that we put that in place in a good manner. So I would say we're well on our way. There is a lot that has been done already a lot that will continue to be done. And we have -- we are proud to have the right team in place in the Netherlands, and we are building our team in the U.S.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#26

Then if I may, Mr. Chairman, proceed with a couple of questions relating to the Omnibus equity compensation plan.

David Herzog executive
#27

Yes, proceed.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#28

Aegon reserves 50 million shares for the equity compensation plan. What period are we talking about, or what period do you expect this pool of shares to cover? And then one question for clarification purposes, if I heard Mr. Ellman correctly, then he said that the annual burn rate is expected to be below 1%. Was that indeed the annual burn rate expected by the company? That's the second question. Third question is, looking at the Omnibus Incentive Plan, that there is a broad discretion for the Board in terms of the application of the actual compensation and how it is put into practice. And it appears that the list of -- for example, it appears that the list of potential performance criteria is expressly non-exhaustive. So the first question would be is what binding constraint prevents the Board or the Compensation Committee from choosing soft or easily achievable measures. And are you willing, as a board to disclosing all performance measures chosen, selected their waitings as well as threshold, target and maximum levels at the time awards are granted.

David Herzog executive
#29

Okay. Thank you. Mark, over to you.

Mark Ellman executive
#30

Thank you so much for your questions. I'll try to answer them in the order you said. In terms of the 50 million shares, that's based on a calculation of need actually a quite a comprehensive calculation. There's a lot of assumptions that goes into that calculation. The intent in picking that number was based on creating a pool of shares, a maximum pool of shares that should last 3 years, maybe a little more than 3 years. The concept being -- this is our first Omnibus share plan. We took into account engagement with shareholders and proxy advisers. The number is a comfortable one. It makes us have to come back to the shareholders. when we use up that grant, perhaps in that 3 or 3 plus time frame. So that is the intent. And the related question is that burn rate is an annual burn rate. Again, it's all based on expectations. And as you already identified, we're in the process of recruiting new talent in different locations, so we are -- it's based on assumptions about that recruitment and so forth. But at least that today, that is certainly the expectation that, that burn rate is an annual 1% or less burn rate. In terms of the last question, I just want to make sure, in terms of criteria, again, our intent is, first of all, is not to change our pay-for-performance culture at all. So -- and again, generally speaking, our Board would aim to have stability in terms of our STI and LTI performance measures, and that shouldn't change. But even under the old framework or the new framework, the Board will review that and make sure that the KPIs that we select are supportive of achieving the strategies that we think are critical. So that is has not really changed. In terms of disclosure, disclosure obligations in -- under the new framework, under a U.S. and New York Stock Exchange regime, are quite extensive. So we will comply with all of those. And if you look and see that is -- that disclosure is quite extensive on all aspects of achievement of compensation norms and targets.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#31

If I may ask one follow-up question perhaps. Can you say anything already about the specific criteria that will be selected by the Compensation Committee for the upcoming performance cycle -- the 3-year performance cycle? Have you selected any criteria yet, or will that be in line with existing current criteria, which are now, for example, in the long-term incentive plan being total shareholder return and return on regulatory capital, for example?

Mark Ellman executive
#32

So as it relates to the forward-looking plans, again, first, we're here and hope to achieve a positive vote on the Omnibus plan, which gives you the opportunity and the tools to create even as you said, the structures that we need to replace -- to attract and retain folks. So in terms of our work, it's just getting -- we're just going to get started in terms of the compensation committee's work. One thing we have done is we've engaged an independent compensation consultant, a well-known in the U.S. market, but as well within the insurance. And and financial services sector. That will be developed. It has not been developed. I think if you were to look at companies in the industry, you would see metrics that they apply that are similar to ones we've lit in the past, but I'm not here to commit to what we will do. The committee will work on it. The committee will make recommendations to the Board and the Board will ultimately approve that I can promise it will be a rigorous analysis by the committee relying very heavily on independent consultants and advice.

Unknown Shareholder shareholder
#33

And my final question, if I may, Chairman, would be on the say-on-pay policy that Aegon is implementing after the re-domiciliation. Now the shareholder circular states that the company will be required to hold an advisory vote regarding the compensation at least every 3 years. If -- am I correct that after having read the shareholder circular that Aegon is willing to commit to an annual say-on-pay vote instead of a 3-year fold?

Mark Ellman executive
#34

Is that for you or for me?

David Herzog executive
#35

Mark?

Mark Ellman executive
#36

Yes, that is the intent that we will have a say-on-pay vote every every year. And that say-on-pay vote will extend to the 5 NEOs or the named executive officers. So it's actually a more extensive list of information you'll receive and and shareholders will have a chance to have an impact on that.

David Herzog executive
#37

Thank you very much. So we have from NN Services, one more question on agenda item 1. As a follow-up question on my point regarding SEC Rule 14a-8, would the Board at a minimum, commit to undertaking a formal review of the practical implications for shareholder proposal rights, engage with shareholders and publicly report its conclusions before deciding on a company's future approach. Albert?

Albert Benchimol executive
#38

Thank you for your question. I think at this point in time, the response that we gave is we are prepared to look at the situation going forward, but there are so many unknowns about the situation that it would be unwise to make any commitments or to lock ourselves in to a process. I would take you back to the practice of this company, which is to try and be as transparent and engage as often as possible. And I would think that the practices that we've had in the past and that we intend to continue should hold. But I would ask that we first wait see how the situation develops, and then we can develop an appropriate response to it.

David Herzog executive
#39

Okay. Thank you very much for that. If there are no further shareholder wishing to speak, we will now proceed with the voting on agenda item 2. Please submit your vote now if you've not already done so. We will pause to allow for all votes to be submitted as within a few moments, we will close the live voting for agenda item 2. [Voting]

David Herzog executive
#40

The voting is now closed. We will take a moment to count the votes for agenda item 2 and present the outcome to you. Thank you for your patience. On the screen, you see the voting results for agenda item 2. I hereby establish that the meeting has approved the Omnibus Incentive Plan to be effective January 1, 2027. The approval by the meeting of the re-domiciliation proposal and the Omnibus Incentive Plan proposal means that agenda item 3, the adjournment proposal included in the agenda for this EGM will not be submitted for a vote today. We, therefore, have no further items on the agenda. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your support and for your confidence that you have shown in Aegon today. Your support marks an important step forward. It gives us a clear mandate to continue the transition we set out in our Capital Markets Day and to align Aegon more closely with our largest market, simplify our structure, position the company for the next phase of growth. This is more than just a legal or governance step. It formally marks the beginning of a new era for Aegon, one in which we will pursue our ambition in the U.S. with greater focus, greater alignment with a structure that better reflects who we are becoming and will allow us to compete for talent capital and customers. There are still important work ahead of us as we move towards completion. In the near term, we will proceed with the exchange of all common shares B held by the association on a 40:1 basis into a single class of common stock. Upon completion of the conversion, the interim bylaws will become effective; and voting rights agreement with the association and its call option will be terminated. We will implement the approved Omnibus Incentive Plan as of January 1, 2027. Together, these steps allow us to continue preparing for the re-domiciliation to become effective on or about January 1, 2028, and today's outcome gives us clear support we need to proceed. Before I close, I want to thank Lard and his leadership and the teams across Aegon for their professionalism, their commitment and outstanding execution, bringing us to today's important milestone. I also want to recognize my fellow board members as well as former Board members, Bill Conley, Donna Young, Kerring Wortman and Karen Faucette, who have been on this journey with us. Thank you all for your support and leadership. Finally, on behalf of the Board, I thank the shareholders for their continued engagement, support and trust. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes Aegon's Extraordinary General Meeting of Shareholders. I now close the meeting.

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