Chartwell Retirement Residences (CSHUN) Earnings Call Transcript
November 6, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
And welcome to the Chartwell Third Quarter 2026 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand the conference over to Vlad Volodarski, CEO. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Christine. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. There is a slide presentation to accompany this conference call available on our website at chartwell.com under the Investor Relations tab. Joining me are Karen Sullivan, President and Chief Operating Officer; Jeffrey Brown, Chief Financial Officer; Jonathan Boulakia, Chief Investment Officer and Chief Legal Officer; and Gordon Chiu, Chief Technology Officer. Before we begin, I direct you to the cautionary statements on Slide 2 because during this call, we will make statements containing forward-looking information and non-GAAP and other financial measures. Our MD&A and other securities filings contain information about the assumptions, risks and uncertainties inherent in such forward-looking statements and details of such non-GAAP and other financial measures. More specifically, I direct you to the disclosures in our Q3 2026 MD&A under the heading Risks and Uncertainties and forward-looking information for a discussion of such risks and uncertainties. These documents can be found on our website or on the SEDAR+ website. Turning to Slide 3. We delivered another quarter of strong financial performance. FFO per unit increased 25% to CAD 0.30 per unit. It marks our 13th consecutive quarter of double-digit FFO per unit growth. Our teams delivered strong results in our same-property portfolio with adjusted NOI increasing 14.1%, adjusted operating margin improving to 43.4% and same-property occupancy growing to 94.8%. At the same time, we continue to invest in our residences, integrate newly acquired properties and advance our portfolio optimization initiatives. I am grateful to our teams across Chartwell for their tremendous commitment and hard work. Delivering these results while welcoming new residents and employees into Chartwell demonstrates both the strength of our culture and the scalability of our management platform. Turning to slide -- turning to our 2028 strategy scorecard as pictured on Slide 4. Our 2026 year-to-date results demonstrate strong progress against the objectives we established in our 3-year strategy. Same-property occupancy averaged 94.6% year-to-date. Revenue per occupied suite growth of 5.1% is ahead of our target and same-property adjusted NOI increased 13.9% year-to-date. Our balance sheet metrics also remain within our strategic targets. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 6.8x, interest coverage was 3.5x, and our FFO payout ratio was 54.5%. We are also making meaningful progress renewing and growing our portfolio. Completed acquisitions and developments totaled CAD 1.4 billion towards our CAD 2 billion 3-year objective, while completed dispositions totaled CAD 307.7 million towards our CAD 1 billion target. We've built a strong operating business with significant embedded growth in our recently acquired portfolio, a growing development pipeline and a scalable platform that is converting growth in NOI into increasingly strong FFO per unit. My partners will now provide you with more insights in each of these areas. We will start with Karen's operating update. Karen?
Thanks, Vlad. Moving on to Slide 5. We had another strong quarter of leasing activity with a positive net permanent move-in to permanent move-out of plus 234 units with contributions from all operating platforms. Our marketing strategies continue to be effective with a 26% increase in personalized tours for marketing sources quarter-over-quarter. Our conversion ratio of marketing initial contacts to personalized tours was 50% in Q3 of this year compared to 44% in Q3 2025. Our September open house event strengthened our prospect funnel leading into what is typically our best selling season. The event provided an opportunity to showcase our residences, including the many new additions to the portfolio participating in their first ever open house. The event brought many new initial contacts with nearly 8 in 10 of the personalized tours being new prospects to the residents. Our Joy is Ageless campaign continued to build national brand visibility with the fall campaign running across TV, out-of-home, radio, Facebook and website takeover placements. The campaign reinforces Chartwell's active aging positioning through broad market reach and lifestyle-led storytelling. We also partnered with La Presse, Quebec's leading digital news platform to publish a resident story from Chartwell Rosemont, highlighting joy, wellness and community living through premium editorial content and multimedia assets. The campaign generated nearly 700,000 impressions, over 120,000 article reads and 5,900 website visitors. Turning to Slide 6. In terms of expense control, we reduced our staffing agency costs by 37% year-to-date 2026 compared to 2025 through our continued focus on recruitment and retention activities. We also continue to focus on resident satisfaction and employee engagement. This year, we moved to using the internationally recognized Net Promoter Score, or NPS, and employee Net Promoter Score, or eNPS, as our measure. It's based on an 11-point scale of 0 to 10. Those who provide a score of 9 or 10 are considered promoters and those who provide a score of 0 to 6 are considered detractors. The NPS score is determined by the percentage of promoters minus the percentage of distractors with scores ranging from minus 100 to plus 100. I'm pleased to report that our NPS score was 58, which is considered excellent by international standards and was 16 points higher than the baseline score we received in 2025. Although there are less international comparison benchmarks available, our eNPS score of 42 was also impressive and was 3 points higher than our 2025 baseline score. Throughout Q3, the operations teams with support from cross-functional departments have been focused on integration activities for the 6 homes previously owned by Sifton, the 17 Chartwell Fengate previously seasons property as well as the newly acquired Chartwell Palermo and Chartwell Greenway. We've also offboarded 3 non-core residences. Finally, I want to share a new collaboration that began in Q3 with Sprout, a popular Canadian media brand that shares older adult experiences, advice and perspectives through social media video interviews. A dozen Chartwell residents shared their wisdom on topics such as the advice they would give their younger adults. The videos generated more than 1 million views on their YouTube channel and another 500,000 views on Instagram. I'll now turn it over to Jeff to take you through our financial results.
Great. Thank you, Karen. As shown on Slide 7, in Q3 2026, net income was CAD 115 million compared with a net loss of CAD 5.2 million in Q3 2025, primarily reflecting a CAD 113.3 million gain on disposal of assets and from higher property revenue and other items. This was partially offset by current tax expense, higher depreciation, property operating expenses, finance costs and transaction costs related to dispositions. FFO increased 38% to CAD 100.8 million or CAD 0.30 per unit compared with CAD 73.1 million or CAD 0.24 per unit in Q3 2025. Reported FFO excludes CAD 1.4 million or CAD 0.01 per unit of income guarantees related to recently acquired properties. The increase in FFO primarily reflected CAD 34.9 million of higher adjusted NOI, CAD 1.2 million of lower G&A expenses and CAD 1.1 million of higher other income. These benefits were partially offset by CAD 6.5 million of higher finance costs, CAD 1.9 million of lower management fees and CAD 1.2 million of lower interest income. For the first 9 months of 2026, FFO increased 40.7% to CAD 276.9 million and FFO per unit increased 25% to CAD 0.85. Year-to-date, FFO excludes CAD 7.5 million or CAD 0.02 per unit of income guarantees related to recently acquired properties. Same-property adjusted NOI increased CAD 11.2 million or 14.1% in Q3. Weighted average occupancy increased 230 basis points to 94.8%. Adjusted operating margin increased 230 basis points to 43.4%. Revenue per occupied suite increased 5.8% and NOI per occupied suite increased 11.3%. Turning to Slide 8. Our stabilized same-property portfolio continues to deliver strong growth. Year-to-date, revenue per occupied suite was CAD 4,936, an increase of 5.1%, while DOE per occupied suite was CAD 2,879, an increase of only 1.8%. The result was NOI per occupied suite of CAD 2,141, up 10.1% and a 190 basis point improvement in adjusted operating margin to 42.7%. At this level of occupancy, our focus is increasingly on revenue and margin growth. For the 2026 same-property portfolio, we estimate that each 1 percentage point change in occupancy represents approximately CAD 8.7 million of annual revenue, while each 1% change in rate represents approximately CAD 8.2 million. Beyond the continued growth in our stabilized same-property portfolio, we have another important source of embedded growth in properties acquired more recently as pictured on Slide 9. Our growth portfolio consists of 52 properties and approximately 9,300 suites at our ownership share, representing approximately 35% of our total suites. These are generally newer and larger residences. In Q3, the growth portfolio operated at an average occupancy of 91.6% compared with our same property target of greater than 95%. Closing that occupancy gap represents approximately CAD 14.7 million of annualized revenue opportunity. Importantly, despite lower occupancy, the growth portfolio is already generating a 46% adjusted operating margin compared with 43.4% for the same property portfolio. This demonstrates both the quality of the assets and the operating leverage available as occupancy increases. As these residences move towards stabilized occupancy, the growth portfolio provides a meaningful runway for NOI and FFO growth without additional acquisition capital. Turning to Slide 10. At November 5, 2026, liquidity was CAD 573.4 million, consisting of CAD 178.3 million of cash and cash equivalents and CAD 395.1 million of available borrowing capacity. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA was 6.8x. Interest coverage was 3.5x and the consolidated weighted average interest rate was 4.03%. During Q3, we did not issue trust units under our 2026 at-the-market program. For the first 9 months of 2026, we issued approximately 3.3 million trust units under the program at an average price of CAD 21.74 per unit for gross proceeds of CAD 72.7 million. One final point I would highlight is how effectively growth in property level earnings is translating into FFO. As shown on Slide 11, our NOI to FFO conversion has improved significantly over the last several years. In 2023, each dollar of NOI per unit generated approximately CAD 0.48 of FFO per unit. This increased to CAD 0.58 in 2024 and CAD 0.62 in 2025. Over the same period, FFO per unit increased from CAD 0.55 to CAD 0.95. The improvement demonstrates the scalability of our management platform as we generate incremental NOI through occupancy, rate growth, margin improvement and stabilization of acquired properties and increasing proportion flows through to FFO. This operating leverage is an important part of our growth story. I will now turn the call to Jonathan to discuss acquisition and development activities.
Thank you, Jeff. Turning to Slide 12. Our Greater Montreal area portfolio provides a compelling example of how Chartwell's management platform can create value following an acquisition. We acquired 5 high-quality residences in June 2024 with an average age of approximately 6 years. Since acquisition, occupancy has increased by 600 basis points. Revenue per occupied suite has grown at a 6.6% compound annual rate. Operating margin has improved by 8.1 percentage points and adjusted NOI has grown at an 18.1% compounded annual rate. Based on the methodology outlined on the slide, we estimate that this operating performance has created over CAD 100 million of value since acquisition, and the portfolio is now generating an implied NOI yield of 7.7%. There is further opportunity ahead. The acquired portfolio contains 1,428 suites. With 93 suites in development, 285 in predevelopment and a further 202-suite opportunity, the portfolio could ultimately grow to approximately 2,008 suites. This case study illustrates our acquisition strategy. We're not simply acquiring real estate. We're applying our operating, asset management and development capabilities to improve performance and create additional value over time. We continue to execute on our portfolio optimization strategy by acquiring newer properties in core markets, selling noncore assets, repositioning selected residences and developing a pipeline of future growth as pictured on Slide 13. On September 1, we completed the acquisition of Greenway Retirement Residence, a 237 suite residence in Brampton, Ontario for CAD 136 million. On the same date, we completed the sale of Ontario property for CAD 91 million. On October 1, we completed the sale of a noncore property in Victoriaville, Quebec for CAD 8 million and another property in Kitchener, Ontario for CAD 41.8 million. Our objective is to continue recycling capital from assets that no longer fit in our long-term strategy into newer, larger and more operationally efficient residences in Canada's principal retirement markets. Moving to Slide 14. Acquisitions remains an important part of our growth strategy, and we are increasingly complementing them with a substantial development pipeline. Today, that pipeline comprises 38 projects, representing approximately 9,456 suites in high-demand core markets across British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec. 8 projects representing 1,466 suites are under construction, while 30 projects representing 7,990 suites are in predevelopment. The pipeline is geographically diversified with approximately 2,600 suites in British Columbia, 1,200 suites in Alberta, 2,050 suites in Ontario and 3,600 suites in Quebec. Our approach is to work with experienced development partners, combining their development capabilities with our market knowledge, operating platform and our brand. This can give Chartwell access to new purpose-built residences in the markets where we want to grow while managing development and balance sheet risk prudently. We remain disciplined in our underwriting, due diligence, integration plans and capital commitments. Our focus is on opportunities that enhance the quality of our portfolio, strengthen our long-term growth profile and meet our required investment returns. I'll turn the call back to Vlad to wrap it up.
Thank you, Jonathan. Turning to Slide 15. Our Q3 results and opportunities described today reinforce my confidence in Chartwell's momentum and long-term growth prospects. The fundamentals supporting retirement living in Canada remains very strong. Demand is accelerating as the population ages, while the new supply remains constrained. This creates a favorable backdrop for occupancy revenue and NOI growth. We are well positioned to benefit from these trends. Our stabilized portfolio is performing strongly. Our recently acquired growth portfolio has meaningful occupancy and earnings upside. Our development partnerships are building a long-term pipeline of modern residences in attractive markets. And our scalable management platform is converting incremental NOI into strong FFO per unit growth. At the same time, we remain focused on what matters most, delivering exceptional experiences to our residents and peace of mind for their families. We are continuing to enhance wellness, dining activities, care and support services while making our organization more agile and efficient through simpler processes and responsible use of technology, automation and AI-enabled tools. What gives me the greatest confidence is our people. I am grateful to our residences teams and support teams for their tremendous commitment, especially as they continue to integrate newly acquired properties and strengthen our growing portfolio. Their dedication to residents and to one another is the foundation of our success. I will now close our prepared remarks with a story of how we're bringing wellness to life for our residents in Quebec. It's pictured on Slide 16. For the past 6 years, we brought residents together at Beach Club in Pointe-Calumet for a day dedicated to fitness, wellness and connection. The event has grown into something our residents look forward to each year, bringing together hundreds of participants for activities ranging from aqua dancing, aerobic to yoga and relaxation with support from our wellness partner, Kinelite. What makes this event meaningful is not just the physical activity, but the opportunity it creates for residents to come together, try new things and enjoy an active lifestyle. It's a great example of our approach to wellness at Chartwell. We are creating opportunities for residents to stay healthy, connected and engaged while continuing to enjoy the experiences that bring enjoy and contribute to their quality of life. Thank you for your attention this morning. We would now be pleased to answer your questions.
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Lorne Kalmar with Desjardins.
Congrats on a good result here. Just on the direct operating cost side of things, it looks like you guys have done pretty well in the quarter and year-to-date. I was just wondering what's sort of the upside risk on the cost front given that you've given the guidance of sub-4%? I assume the idea was to be somewhere around there. Just wondering what's the upside risk? And is this a level you think is repeatable for the near and medium term?
Yes. We think that level of staying below 4% on a DOE per occupied suite basis is achievable over the period and demonstrated that in the quarter and year-to-date basis.
Is there -- I mean, obviously, you've got a pretty nice buffer here between whatever it is 1.8% and the 4%. Like what would be, in your guys' view, like risk to cost moving close to that 4%? Or is there nothing really foreseeable?
There's still some -- that is our 3-year target is to achieve that goal over the 3 years. We still have -- our overall DOE was up 4.1% in the quarter. So there's still some benefit from the occupancy increase that's driving the per occupied suite number down. So I think as we stabilize at these higher occupancy levels, you'll see that number get closer to the 4% level.
Okay. That's very helpful. And then with the expectation for a less severe winter here, which I think we deserve after the last couple we had, does that typically lead to a less severe flu season? And if so, could that eliminate some of the seasonality impact you would normally see in Q1 and, I guess, early Q2?
This is always a puzzle, Lorne. We really can't predict with accuracy whether warmer weather translates into fewer flu outbreaks and cases. We are hearing that the current strain of the vaccine is effective. So hopefully, that will help to mitigate the usual seasonal impact. But to be definitive about it is not really possible.
Can I just add, though, when the weather is nicer, it does make it easier for people to come out for personalized tours. So not related to the flu, but just sort of the acceptability for older people to visit our homes in those winter months.
Okay. That's very helpful. And then just maybe last one. I think both in Canada and the U.S., we haven't really seen much in the way of new construction starts, certainly nothing that was close to what was anticipated at the beginning of the year. Any idea of maybe what's behind that and when we can expect to see a more meaningful pickup in activity?
Well, we certainly are doing our part. But I think in terms of general activity, clearly, the recent rise in interest rates doesn't help many of the pro formas. And so I think that certainly is the most obvious reason for some of the deferral of previously expected construction starts for 2026. So we'll see what happens in 2027. But from our perspective, the projects that we have on the go, they continue to be economical, and so we're proceeding with those.
Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Kelcher with TD Cowen.
Just to follow along on that. With the increase in interest rates, are there any of your projects that are in predevelopment that might be getting pushed back?
Yes. Jonathan, there's -- obviously, you see the pipeline that we have on that slide. It's pretty large. And there's a different variety of projects and economics that we see. Some have a lot more cushion than others in terms of the profitability and return. And the ones that are thinner, then they become harder to commence at this point in time. So for sure, some of these will be deferred.
Okay. And if we look at the 30, how many do you think start next year?
30. So next -- well, we've announced what we are starting and the rest of them will continue to evaluate. We think that there's going to be additional projects started next year. But right now, talking about quantum is a bit premature.
Okay. Fair enough. And then secondly, you guys have a pretty large cash balance, lots of liquidity. What's the acquisition pipeline looking like for the next couple of quarters?
We're seeing a strong acquisition pipeline for the next few quarters. We're constantly evaluating a number of different opportunities. And we're, as you just discussed, enhancing that pipeline with our own pipeline of development.
Okay. Any particular markets that you're seeing more or less in?
We're actually seeing a fair bit of activity in all of the markets that we operate in.
Your next question comes from the line of Tom Callaghan with BMO Capital Markets.
Maybe just sticking on Jonathan's line, a question just with respect to the acquisition pipeline and I guess really the disposition side, too. Any kind of movement pricing expectation-wise bid-ask spread just given the rate volatility we've seen or no, just given the demand level for this product?
We're still continuing to see really strong demand, both in the Class A assets and the -- what we would consider our noncore bank of assets. So we have not seen much adjustments in pricing.
Got it. Okay. Next one for me was just maybe if you can talk a bit about the revenue per occupied suite into 2027. Like obviously, the metric continues to move higher quarter-over-quarter. I think it was 5.8% in Q3, maybe there's a small contribution there for prior period funding, but it's quite comfortably covering the greater than 4% over the 3-year outlook. And I guess just given the broader fundamental backdrop where your occupancy is, is there any reason to think why this wouldn't kind of be another mid- to high 5 percentage number next year in '27?
Thomas, just to put some numbers around that adjustment, it's about 5.5%, excluding that prior period funding for the quarter. But our pricing strategy remains very much the same. Our in-place increases are all targeted to be just above inflation. And then the market pricing is very locally driven. So we are pushing market pricing as much as we're able to. And we're also now having some success in bringing down the incentives. So those came in at 4.5% of revenue -- resident revenue in the quarter. And so that's what's helping also sort of push the REVPOS up to that above 5% range.
Okay. Got it. So presumably still some kind of tailwind for burn of incentive as we go forward here?
Yes, correct.
Okay. And then last one on my end, just housekeeping. In terms of the fees on the seasons portfolio and the Fengate, I think there's about CAD 0.5 million of asset management-related costs and then the CAD 2.1 million transition fee. I assume the CAD 2.1 million is kind of a onetime nonrecurring, but that CAD 0.5 million of asset management costs, is that a good kind of run rate to put through the model?
Yes. Yes, that's the right run rate. And those transition costs were onetime and were only in Q3.
Okay. So nothing for Q4.
Your next question comes from the line of Brad Sturges with Raymond James.
Just going to your Slide 9 here on the growth portfolio and the upside available to you on the revenue side. As you push occupancy higher towards your target stabilized level, like what's the time line you expect for that to occur? Is that over the next 12 months? Or is it a little bit of a longer time line?
We've seen -- it's a little bit because that portfolio does change as we have new acquisitions come in. So it won't be a static portfolio next quarter. But we are seeing similar occupancy growth in that portfolio as we have in our same-property portfolio. So we think there's good traction to get towards that 95% plus target.
Okay. And then on the same property bucket, I guess, expectations to reach 96% by December. Just where do you see the gains coming from? I think there's some room to push in Ontario, but just curious to get a bit more color in terms of where those gains are concentrated in the portfolio today.
Clearly, there's a bit more room in Ontario than in other provinces that are at close to 96% now. But we have properties that operated with 100% occupancy for a very long period of time. So every one of the properties, at least from my perspective, that is not at 100% has room to grow. So our expectation is that both platforms will contribute to that occupancy growth to get to 96% on portfolio-wide.
And last question for me, just on the ATM program. Given where the balance sheet is today and the organic growth in the business, how do you envision the usage of the ATM program on a go-forward basis? Do you see it being less active than what we've seen over the last 12, 12 months or plus?
I mean it's really dependent on our capital needs. So we do have funding priorities. So we always prioritize retained cash flow first, disposition proceeds second. And then we look at equity and debt third and fourth, depending on our leverage levels. And we -- during the quarter, we were able to satisfy our capital needs between that retained cash flow and disposition proceeds. So it's really a function of what we're seeing in terms of requirements going forward.
Your next question comes from the line of Himanshu Gupta with Scotiabank. [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Pammi Bir with RBC Capital Markets.
Just maybe coming back to the commentary around the growth portfolio. You mentioned similar traction from an occupancy standpoint as, I guess, the same property assets. So would it be fair to assume that you're basically looking at potential 300 basis points of occupancy pickup over the next year or so?
I'll take this, Pammi. That portfolio has a wide range of different properties. So some of them are stabilized and some of them are in early days of lease-up. And so like 50%, 60% occupied. So our expectation is that those properties that have more room will go -- contribute more, obviously, to the occupancy growth. And our expectation is that within 12 months or so, we should see at least this growth portfolio as it stands today to achieve 95% average occupancy.
And just one thing to note, Pammi, that -- as I mentioned earlier, that will change. So any acquisitions we closed in Q4 will join that portfolio that will drive the occupancy. And then some of those properties will move into same property for Q1 next year. What some of the embedded growth that exists within the portfolio today.
Yes. I'm just thinking more so what's on the balance sheet today as a -- in the growth bucket. Okay. Maybe just coming back to -- there is obviously some commentary coming out of the unions. Can you talk about maybe what's happening there and any anticipated maybe labor cost pressures or any issues with any labor availability at all?
Sure. I mean we continue working with all over 20 unions that we have across the country, and there is a normal sort of cycle of bargaining processes that our teams undertake with the unions. Our increases in terms of the total compensation on average, you see that in our numbers that we've been talking about it for the last several years have been between 4% and 5%. We expect that we'll continue to see those kind of increases in 2027, and we'll see where it goes after that. Historically, the increases in our compensation were between 2% and 3%. So we are now being in a period 4, 5 years of above historical normative increases. And as I said, we expect that to continue for 2027.
Okay. Just there's some very good color on the scalability of the platform. And on the G&A side, we did see a pretty sizable drop in Q3. And I think some of that maybe was just the unit-based comp and maybe some timing as well. But just maybe stepping back, do you expect sort of G&A to hover near year-to-date sort of levels as a percentage of revenue? Or are there still some further efficiencies you think you can generate?
Yes. I think there are -- I mean, the way we've developed the management platform is we should be able to scale revenue faster than we need to add G&A. So there always are some G&A requirements, but it should not be at the same rate growth that we're seeing revenue grow at.
Okay. All right. Last one for me. Just on the incentives. I think, Jeff, you mentioned it was 4.5% of revenue in Q3. What did that figure drop from, I guess, last quarter or maybe the start of the year?
It was 4.8%.
Sorry, it was 4.8% in Q2 or --
Q3 last year was 4.8%.
Your next question comes from the line of Himanshu Gupta with Scotiabank.
So in your 2028 strategy, you have expectations of 95% plus occupancy target. Do you see the stabilized occupancy definition moving to more like 96% now, I mean, given the success in December?
At this point in time, we're not planning on moving any of these target numbers, but be happy to continue to outperform them. The challenge with setting up different targets is I think we've talked about before, historically, there's no history of our portfolio or industry overall performing at these kind of occupancy levels. It's really hard for me to point to something and say 7 years ago, we were at 97% occupancy. So that's where we're striving to achieve. So we're in these uncharted territories right now, and we continue to work very hard or our teams rather continue to be very -- working very hard to make sure that all of our properties run as full as possible, and we provide services to as many residents as possible who want to access those services in our properties.
Got it. And would you know like what percentage of portfolio or how many homes are almost at 100% occupancy here?
I don't have these numbers in front of us, Himanshu.
Okay. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Moving on, on asset dispositions. Obviously, a couple down in Waterloo-Kitchener area. Are you there now in terms of where you want to be in that region in terms of market share?
We continue to see that general region as an area of growth for us. And Ontario, Southwestern Ontario is one of our areas of focus for growth.
Okay. Okay. And then on Quebec City, do you see more recycling more dispositions in that region, again, to right size the market share?
Potentially, yes, over time. We clearly have grown a lot our Quebec portfolio over the years, and it is very heavily concentrated in Montreal and Quebec City and Quebec City, in particular, and it's a relatively smaller market. So over time, there may be some noncore asset dispositions in that market.
Got it. Okay. Fair enough. And then moving on to the acquisitions, the Greenway Residence in Brampton. I mean, what's the opportunity there in terms of occupancy or margin upside? And by the way, thanks for providing the color on the Montreal acquisitions, that case study, I mean, significant margin increases and value creation. So just getting a sense of where do you see on this acquisition?
Sure. For us, it's a relatively new market. We haven't been in Brampton for a while. And so we're excited about the opportunity to lease up this home. It's not quite yet at stabilized occupancy. There's some opportunity on occupancy. And we think that over time, we can achieve higher occupancy in that home just as we have done in the rest of the portfolio and continue to offer more Chartwell-like services to the residents, including wellness offerings and care services that we are rolling out across our portfolio that home will be the beneficiary of that as well.
Okay. And in terms of going in cap rate or yield, say sub-6 and then that can move up by, let's say, 100 basis points?
Yes, High 5.
Okay. I think that's good. I think that's -- yes, so one last question here. On the rent growth, properties that are full capacity or almost there. What kind of rents are you seeing on the market rent side?
It really depends on the market. In the properties that are fully occupied and the markets are strong, there are some that are increasing rents by high single digits, in some cases, a little higher than that as well. In other cases where property may run at high occupancy, but they're still competing properties that have vacant units, and the market rate increase is a little lower than that.
Your next question comes from the line of Giuliano Thornhill with National Bank. [Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from Sairam Srinivas with ATB Capital Markets.
Most of my questions have already been answered, so I'll just stick to a broader macro 10,000 feet question here. Jonathan, when you look at acquisitions and dispositions, can you talk about the kind of players you're seeing in the acquisition market you're competing with and the kind of players who are actually looking to buy the assets you're selling?
So just to clarify, you're asking who we're competing with and how competitive the acquisition market is?
Yes, generally in terms of the nature of the players who are buying assets you're competing with and secondly, the nature of the players are kind of selling these assets to.
Yes. So I guess we can categorize it into the different kinds of assets that we're buying and selling. So in the Class A assets, we are seeing competition, and it would be from the usual characters that you would assume. We are seeing increased and renewed institutional interest in this asset class. And on the Class B assets, it's -- we've seen more interest in the assets than I frankly ever seen. This wouldn't generally be by the same kind of buyers, more local buyers, but we are seeing deep and broad interest in this asset class.
All right. And maybe in terms of the Class B asset class, more from a local operator perspective? Or is it also more institutions coming in there?
It depends on the market and where the assets are located, but I would say it's more of the former. It would be more of a local type operators or people who want to get into the market that are looking into these assets. We do see some kind of more institutional larger players looking at this asset class, but generally, it's the former.
It would be fair to say that over the last couple of years, there have been a number of private equity groups that are beginning to play more actively in this asset class, where in the past, it was mostly individual local operators. Now there are groups of people that are trying to build portfolios of these Class B assets, and they've been pretty active in this market.
Your next question comes from the line of Giuliano Thornhill with National Bank.
Just, I guess sticking with the construction theme there, have you seen all the infrastructure announcements start to kind of increase the cost to build yet? Or do you think there's any risk to that spilling over into your sector?
We haven't really been seeing it play out at this point. I suppose there's a risk that it spills over into the sector. But right now, we are seeing a whole lot of development opportunities being brought to us by condo developers and condo developments that aren't working out anymore. And so that probably translates into still a lot of capacity among trades.
And so what are the kind of characteristics of these like markets that you're seeing maybe this new or renewed interest to developing and adding supply?
Characteristics of the markets that we're seeing?
Yes.
I think we're seeing more opportunities in core urban markets that maybe previously didn't work as well for our asset class. And so we do get that benefit of being a little -- having the benefit of being a little pickier in site selections as we see more and more of these condo and in some cases, multifamily sites looking for alternate uses of their land.
And is there much spec development ongoing right now or like very speculative kind of development starts quite yet or no?
In our space?
Yes.
I wouldn't say so. We're probably more active with our third-party development program.
The gap to rents to really making it work is still quite large? Or do you have like some idea on that as well?
Well, as Vlad said earlier, it's very project specific. And so we still have a number of development projects that are penciling out nicely and those ones will proceed. And as those gaps change, we continuously reevaluate projects and some might not be as feasible with interest rate changes, but it's like a continuous review.
All right. Just my last question was just on the GMA portfolio. I appreciate all the disclosures there. Do you guys know kind of what IRR that would pencil out to like double digits or high single digits?
With this kind of growth, it's probably double digits.
Okay. And what's the permanent financing there, like the amount of debt and the rate? Are you aware of that as well?
We bought that portfolio for cash. And so I would primarily use that to support the unencumbered pool.
Your next question comes from the line of Tal Woolley with CIBC Capital Markets.
As the business -- like more and more sites get filled up, I'm just wondering like does the nature of selling service plans change at all? Like do you see a higher attachment rate or just because I think like when the buildings are more empty, like it's a little bit harder to provide those services or it's more costly, like obviously, I think the profitability has gone up. But I'm just wondering if the customer base has changed. And if also the fact that you have more boomers entering the system now, is that sort of the attachment rate on services changing at all?
Yes. We certainly think that that's an area of opportunity for us to deliver more and better services to the residents that live with us, those that they require and desire. And we certainly see opportunity in us getting better at it. So there's a number of things that Karen's team have been doing in designing the offering and the wellness side of things and improving the way we deliver care services to our residents. We added a new person to Karen's team, Vice President of Care Experience and Innovation. We didn't have that position before. Now we do have a very talented individual running this process. So we clearly are very focused on those opportunities.
Can you give like some specific examples of some of the changes you've made?
Early days. We're developing our programs and building our service offering, but probably within the next 6 to 9 months, we'll be able to talk a lot more to you about it.
Okay. And then also just wondering on the service side of the business, if you can just talk about the pricing outlook. I know in your strategy update last year, you sort of talked about rent plus service growth greater than 4%, I believe, if I recall correctly. Is that still the range?
Yes. So look, as Jeff pointed out, our increases to the existing residents are limited by basically increases in our costs. So it's slightly above inflationary increases. And in some cases, when it comes to apartments that are regulated, they're limited by regulations. The market rate increases, we believe in strong markets where the properties are operating at high occupancy, we can increase those rates by high single digits. And so we think that all of these blends to kind of 4%, 5% rental rate growth on average.
And would you put the inflationary impact on your inputs like for food and all that other stuff at around the same level?
Sorry, if you're talking increases to the existing residents, whether we would do it at a higher rate.
I'm just talking about the cost to provide, like so if you're looking at like sort of like kind of mid-single-digit increases, would you say that your cost to provide is sort of increasing at the same rate?
Yes. The existing -- the increases to the existing residents would be more in line with our overall cost increases, particularly labor costs, which are growing by 4%, 4.5% for the last many years. And the market rate increases or the rates that we're asking new residents to pay when they join us, those rates are increasing faster because of the demand supply dynamics.
We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Vlad Volodarski, CEO, for closing remarks.
Thanks again to everybody for joining us. Of course, if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to give us a call. Goodbye.
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