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I-Tech AB (ITECH) Earnings Call Transcript

October 16, 2026

OM SE Materials Chemicals earnings 47 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#1

And we are live here at Investor Studios when I take as published airport for the third quarter. Joining us here in the studio is the company's CEO, Markus Jönsson. Welcome.

Markus Jönsson executive
#2

Thank you very much, Mike. Great to be back.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#3

I will soon hand over the word for you to give a presentation. But before I do that, I would like to give a final reminder to our viewers that if you have any questions, then please post them in the chat. So Markus, go ahead. Thank you very much.

Markus Jönsson executive
#4

All right. So at first, we start with a little short introduction of I-Tech, right? And the space that we are operating is in the maritime space, right, the maritime industry and industrial shipping. So we typically this question what is 1/3 of the global fleet of 110,000 commercial vessels. We're using 36% more fuel than needed, even for a day. What would that mean for operating cost and emission. And this is actually the data from our studies of in docking performance of ships coming in after 5 years at sea. So the picture is this bad. So there is much to be done exactly to target biofilling going forward, and it has huge costs. So I-Tech solution is called Selektope, and it is originally a pharmaceutical ingredient that has been developed as an anti-fouling substance. And it has a unique property to help stop hard-fouling, more particularly barnacles. And this helps the ship operators to reduce their emissions to air to help to protect the sensitive marine ecosystems from the transfer of marine invasive species. And also reduce the emissions to the ocean because Secop is highly effective and efficient. So you need very small concentration. So I take today then, we have a unique technology. We are focusing on building intellectual property and formulation know-how around using Selektope and also new solutions now going forward. We are asset-light in the sense that our production is outsourced, and we estimated our penetration is quite low still, 3,500 vessels out of the commercial fleet of 110,000 vessels. So our customers are the major anti-fouling coding producers, the coding companies, and there are actually 9 major companies then representing more than 95% of the addressable market. So we work, of course, closely with all of them. So if we look at I-Tech's journey, since its IPO in 2018, it has been a growth journey essentially, right? We have grown nearly 30% year-on-year, and we see also the until quarter 3 this year, we are continuing the growth journey. So it's really nice to see that the use of Selektope is continuously increasing. So then we dive into the Q3 results. And this I can say then that organic growth continues essentially, right? If we look at sales or currency adjusted growth, it is 80% versus Q3 last year. And we see then the year-to-date sales grow with all our major customers, which is great to see. So it's a little bit lower sales than the previous record quarter, which was last quarter, Q2, but still a very good quarter overall by our standard. So looking a little bit into the numbers then. So net sales in SEK grew by 19% and reached SEK 48.8 million. The gross margin continued to improve or be more stable at the high level. So 60% versus 57% last year, right? EBITDA rose by 16% to SEK 15.1 million and EBIT then by 20% to SEK 13.3 million. So operating cash flow was lower this quarter than the corresponding quarter last year. However, this is an effect mainly due to skewed accounts receivables because we had a very low sales quarter in Q2 2025. So the operating cash flow we are seeing now in this period is more resembling you could say, how it should be, right? The cash balance continues to grow, and we have now 177 million year-to-date. Okay. So looking at the geographical spread of sales and year-to-date, we can see that Korea continues to cement its #1 position. So 46% of our sales year-to-date has gone to Korea, 27% to Japan, 21% to China, 3% to Singapore, and also 3% to Europe, right? So that is the we are looking at now. So we see continuously strong development from all the Asian markets here. And growth, you could say, in Q3 have been driven a lot by both South Korea and China. So to summarize the quarter then, yes, 18% organic sales growth, still a very good momentum here. I think the diversification continues. We see higher growth rates with our smaller customers, which is positive. So we are becoming sort of less dependent on #1 or the biggest customer. The margins, we are very happy to see that we've been able to maintain really high gross margins despite the turbulence that has been, you could say, with raw material prices this year and that we continue to have a strong resulting EBITDA and EBIT percentage. So all in all, we are very satisfied with the results. So now we come to the outlook. And you have heard me talk also in the previous quarters this year about the market and sort of we are in because they have a mini boom at the moment, right? But just so zooming in from the bigger picture, there are around 2,000 new vessels being built every year. And there are around 20,000 service events or dry docking, where ship come into service and where they apply a fresh layer of paint. China represents more than 60% of the drydocking market and nearly 60% of the new vessels. So China continues to expand their #1 position in the market, meaning that it's also one of the key markets for I-Tech for securing additional and future growth. So if we look at the market this year I think the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, right? Has meant you could say that the loss of volume here has been able to be mitigated by alternative routes and sources, right? And in fact, what has been the consequences is that you could say the availability of ships or vessels have decreased. So prices have gone up, right? We do see, however, that overall, seaborne trade has actually gone up year-on-year, right, by 1.1%. So the charter rate, which is then sort of the price you have to pay to ship goods has increased 61%, sort of the overall indexes year-to-year. And we see also then a very active ordering of new ships, right? So that is up 33% on the full year 2025. So it means that we have seen a tremendous pump. And that is actually shown also in the top graph here to the right, right? You see that expected deliveries have increased for the years to come, which is, of course, good, you could say, from an I-Tech perspective. There will be more ships built that need a new fresh layer of antifouling coating, right? We also see that the shipyard output has increased by 14% year-to-date. So -- and we often talk about the shipyard being full or at their capacity, but we also see that they continuously expand the capacity. And of course, the elevated fuel costs continue really to underscore the value of a premium antifouling solution. So all in all, you could say the macros are quite positive for anti-fouling coatings. We also note, you could say, an increase in the number of repair events. And this is, of course, quite linked to the available fleet and their service schedules. But it's all in all, a very positive view. All right. And now we come to the regulatory part, and I'm really glad to have brought with me another fantastic I-Tech employee for this session. So I will hand over now to Cecilia Ohlauson, Head of Regulatory Affairs and Sustainability.

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#5

Thank you, Markus. So as most of you know, Selektope has been going through a reregistration process in Europe for the approval as an antifouling biocide. And this has been a long process. Selektope has been discussed several times by the standing committee of biocidal products. And what's been happening this quarter is that there was a meeting in June with the standing committee where a draft proposal for nonrenewal of Selektope was discussed. Following that meeting, it was decided that a vote would take place. So in the meeting in September, Selektope was not discussed. But following that meeting, a written procedure for voting was launched to the member states, and that is currently ongoing. So the voting running from the seventh to the 21st of October. And as we also indicated before, the approval for Selektope currently expires by the end of this year. So Selektope is not the only antifouling biocide under pressure in Europe. And we, as I-Tech tried to draw attention to this problem for several years now. And finally, I would say that European maritime industry is also waking up. So with the support of biocides for Europe and SEPA, a petition has been launched, to activate industry in Europe and highlight the risk that we're facing of losing efficient antifouling. So to date, there are 30 organizations, companies, similar that have signed some very influential trade associations have signed, but also ship yards, paint manufacturers ship owners. And the intention is to send this letter to the member states, but also to European Commission, to European Parliament, et cetera, to really highlight the risk that we're facing here. So what would be the consequence if Selektope is not approved in EU? What could the impact be? Well, if we look at how Selektope can be used, there is very few limitations actually. What is the limitation is that paint containing Selektope to cannot be placed on the European market. Hence, you can't sell paint containing Selektope within EU. Another limitation is that treated articles cannot be traded within EU. And what does that mean? Well, a ship is considered a treated article under the BPR. So a ship treated with Selektope containing paint cannot be sold to a European owner for European -- or I shouldn't say European owner, an EU-based owner for EU use. So it is a quite small limitation. Roughly 5% of the addressable market would be impacted while 95% can continue as usual. So port calls in EU are -- continues to be acceptable. So traveling in EU water has continued to be approved. So there's a very small limitation here, actually. Yes.

Markus Jönsson executive
#6

Thank you very much, Cecilia. All right. So then we move ahead to the business development pipeline. So we had a press release yesterday that we will come back to in just a few seconds. But we can say that we are very much actively working on our opportunity pipeline at the moment. And as we have talked about here numerous times, we are looking at what complementing technologies and products we can bring to our existing customers. And that could be other active ingredients that could be complementing technologies such as binder technologies, et cetera, that we have talked about earlier as well. In addition to complementary products and technologies, we are looking at adjacent markets. So other marine markets that have really big challenges with Biopole and here, aquaculture and the yacht market are in our focus, as you know, and then shifting gears and talking about the recent acquisition, it's actually a license agreement that we have signed with a company called Titanium Technology. It's a Spanish start-up company, sort of similar in profile to what I-Tech looked like 25 years ago. They have actually tested and proved the value of the technology in a number of pilot tests already. But of course, they would highly benefit from an experienced partner like I-Tech in terms of commercializing their technology. So we have then signed a worldwide exclusive license to commercialize their technology within aquaculture. And what is their technology then in essence, right? So they are working with titanium services. And the innovation that they have found is that if you use an electronic control system and you apply a certain type of current or yes, electricity to the titanium material in a sort of a varying pattern. That really limits the ability for microorganisms to settle on to the surface. And this is mainly, you could say, electrochemical effect. So you have like the charge surface charge and the PH at the surface that is varying and this is preventing species to settle. So it's not a biocide containing technology per se. So what this enables then is to create really fouling resistant structures. And for aquaculture, this would mean much smoother operations, right? If you have no filing, that means that you can have better water flow. You have more oxygen and less pathogens coming into your species that you're growing. This means that you can reduce significantly the maintenance that is today applied to clean and remove bio-fouling from underwater surfaces. And the really big benefit here, and I think also to the value of both this technology and the ones that we talked about at last quarterly report is that improved animal welfare and the yield really that bio-fouling actually calls sickness and death among the species that you're growing. So here you have a chance to really improve the yield, which is, of course, a massive economic impact as well for the farm. And with this type of technology, you can also mission a much lower environmental impact since this is an electrical signal and it's not a release of chemicals to the environment. So all in all, we are quite excited. And we also brought to you some pictures today to show you how the technology has been validated today. So these are actually 4 different pilot validation studies. So what you see here further to the left is actually a big water tank that is used to evaporate liquefied natural gas. And here, you can see the technology that really applied as big sheets of titanium aluminum to keep fouling from growing on the inside of the tank. The second picture is actually a pipe, and you can see on the outside of the pipe, you have a lot of fouling on the inside where you have the active titanium surface, it's actually completely clean. Same goes for the third picture, maybe a little bit difficult to see here, but this is a great. So that sort of filters and gives a basic filtration for the water and also the picture #4 in the bottom there is a separate grade. And you can see in the frames how much biofouling you have and also on the top part here of the grade, how much biofouling you have and how clean the underwater surface titanium area is, right? So we have seen and it has been proven to work really technically. And of course, what remains now is to prove the commercial validity of this technology for various aquaculture applications. And here, there is really the benefit of I-Tech and Titanium Technologies working together going forward. So that was a brief overview of the Q3 results and coming now to the business outlook. We are continuing to work very actively with the business development pipeline and the opportunity pipeline so we can foresee additional strategic preships going forward. As you heard from Ceci, we Remain very active on the advocacy side, both linked to the European Union market but also the U.S. and other markets going forward. So that's another focus area. And of course, the business development now to really make these new interesting technologies fly and to get them out to customers to test them. So all in all, a quite busy time ahead for I-Tech. Right.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#7

Thank you very much, Markus. I think Cecilia will also be joining us here for the Q&A. And for the Q&A, I will soon hear from ABG Sundal Collier. Analyst Lara Mohtadi. But before we do that, I thought I could -- I extracted a question from the viewer base here in this shatters a lot of activity going on as there as usual as well. is Selektope used in the defense industry and if not, could it?

Markus Jönsson executive
#8

Well, then I think the spontaneous application that you would think for is, of course, for an antifouling solution for a naval ship, right? To my knowledge, there are no products today that are really specifically targeting the naval segment. But of course, there is nothing you could say, blocking any of our customers to promote products for naval applications.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#9

We'll now turn to analysts Lara Mohtadi from ABG Sundal Collier.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#10

Yes. A couple of questions from me. Well, sales, as you said, it was still a very strong quarter. I had 18% organic growth, but it was still down a bit sequentially. Or would you sort of say what drove that sequential decline? Is it just simply put order timing anything on customer inventory levels? Anything else? Or how should we sort of think of Q4?

Markus Jönsson executive
#11

Yes. Well, Lara, as we point out, I think in many quarterly reports, right? Our sales do vary quite a bit between various months, right? And you could say, if 1 order ends up on 1 or the other side of a quarter, right? It can actually have a big impact. We have a few customers that place rather big orders, right? So -- and we tend to it's a natural variation. I think overall, we see with Q3 that the growth momentum we see this year is continuing, right? Of course, Q2, we had very easy comparables, right, to last year, et cetera. So there is the element of natural variation, I would say that, that sort of is the predominant effect here.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#12

Very clear. And you mentioned the tablets in raw material prices and what the cost flagged earlier this year they haven't really materialized, so we can all see that in the gross margin. What would you say is the current situation for your key raw materials? Do you still sort of see a risk of higher price going ahead? And to what extent can you sort of pass this on to your customers?

Markus Jönsson executive
#13

Yes. I think there are 2 things here. I think the worry is, you could say, for I-Tech's margins, but I think the worry is also for our customers, right, to be able to obtain the appropriate amount of raw materials to produce their product. And I think in the start of Q2, there was really a worry among some of our bigger customers, right? Because of the disruption of Hormuz, et cetera, will we be able to source enough raw material to meet the demand, right? So that was really a question you could say, in the start of Q2. We see that, that has sort of settled a little bit now. So availability is not a problem, but you could say raw material prices have sort of stabilized at an elevated level, right? And you could say that I-Tech had to take action as well during Q2, right, to adjust prices and, of course, work with our suppliers, right, to mitigate the effect. And I think we are quite happy and proud of being able to keep our good gross margin, right? Also in Q3.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#14

Yes, obviously, you touched on a bit. You had a very strong gross margin of 60% this quarter. Should we also see this as a sustainable level going forward?

Markus Jönsson executive
#15

Well, this is definitely our -- you could say target, right? To keep it at a higher level. However, it will vary, right? As we know, between the mix between different quarters, et cetera. But plus/minus 2 percentage points, I think, is reasonable, right? But it is our clear intention to keep the good margin.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#16

Okay. And also on the operating cost side, you had some license fees at the costs related to the acquisition of aquaculture technology. On the license fee side, is that something that will be recurring? Is it -- yes, basically.

Markus Jönsson executive
#17

Yes. It will be a recurring license fee going forward. And the level you could say, is performance-based as well. So depending on the success.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#18

Okay. Also, on your aquaculture technology, it's still very early. Can you give some sort of indication time line to which when you think this will start generating some revenue?

Markus Jönsson executive
#19

Yes. So let's start with the technology than the bio-based additive that we released, you say, before last quarter. So I think that has progressed nicely now. We have set up an internal validation project to look at performance. We are actively speaking to prospect customers here. It's really difficult to say how far away sales is. But as I think we indicated within a few years, it should be reasonable. If the technology really matches the requirement and delivers on the promises, right, that it shouldn't be unreasonable to say within a few years, Lara, for this technology. In terms of the new license agreement with Titanium Technology, very much early days, right? We need to focus now on building pilots to prove the value for agriculture, right? Sort of you see the pilot test that the technology seems to be working really well, right? Sort of to prevent fouling, but this has to be proven then in a commercial aquaculture application as well. So that's where we are now. And of course, now we are preparing a plan for different applications to validate the performance, right? But it's really too soon to say when will we have sales and what is the absolute potential that we are going for here.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#20

Okay. And obviously, you mentioned that your building pilots to prove the value. Would you say on the commercial ship side, part of the reason for the penetration taking a long time, you would call it is that you have to test on the dry-docking period. It's 5 years. How does that cycle on the aquaculture side?

Markus Jönsson executive
#21

Well, we talked about that a little bit last quarter as well. I think the good thing with aquaculture is that qualification periods are generally much shorter, right? So I think this is one of the advantages of the aquaculture market, right? That you could say that time to market is significantly reduced compared to our traditional antifouling segments, right? Hence, it's also part of the attractive properties of this adjacent market.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#22

And just on the cost side, what type of costs should we expect for this technology? Obviously, it's very early. Should we expect elevated R&D costs? And will this be expensed or maybe capitalized?

Markus Jönsson executive
#23

No, I mean, you should expect us to continue to invest in our organization, right? To be able to take care of these new technologies and to really develop and commercialize them, right? We need, of course, resources do that. However, knowing I-Tech, we will do this in a cautious manner, right? Also to balance, you could say, yes, costs and what we are able to deliver in the projects. So you should expect a continuously prudent increase of our cost expenditure.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#24

Yes. And if we move on little bit to the regulatory process, as Cecilia mentioned, the approval expired at the end of this year. In an event, if the both is negative? Are there any sort of transition periods for selling an existing stock that actually contains Selektope? And when will actually the actual restrictions take full effect?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#25

Yes, I can take that question. So you will have a 180-day transition period when you can sell whatever is available what you have in stock, et cetera. Of course, the 180 days starts from when the decision comes into force, so not immediately when it's announced in that case. So there will be some transition time.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#26

Yes. And I understand it's hard for you to know when a decision will come, but the voting is [indiscernible]. I think you said 17th of October, do you expect a decision from do you expect an announcement from that outcome shortly thereafter? Or more of sort of time line?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#27

Yes. So the voting runs until the 21st of October. And then Normally, a decision will be announced within 1 or 2 weeks. But there is no really fixed deadline for the announcement. So there whatever the outcome is, we're in the hands of the European Commission.

Markus Jönsson executive
#28

But also there is a need for the signature, right? So it doesn't become low until from the lion has signed.

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#29

Yes.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#30

Okay. So now is it could take longer?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#31

Yes.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#32

Okay. And just a final 1 for me. You mentioned at previous port to conduct a EL-GRT study. Is there an update on this?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#33

Well, we are currently looking into several different CROs or clinical research organizations that could run the study since this is a difficult study to run, there isn't that many laboratories that are capable, especially then using Selektope since it is a sensitive and it is a long study, you need to be extra mindful to make sure that whatever effect you might see are due to the relevant endpoints or due to the relevant effect and not sedation per se. So it is a little bit complicated, but hopefully, we should have sort of a starting time and a CRO in place within this year.

Lara Mohtadi analyst
#34

Okay. So you're still fairly confident that you will conduct this study? Or is it still a question of you're going to conduct it or not?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#35

Well, I think it will -- of course, we have said that we plan to run the study. But of course, it will also be dependent on the time line when the study could actually be started. I think that would will be something that we need to take into consideration.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#36

Viewer questions remain and there's a lot of them. I hope we have time for all of them. First of all, new products, how many new Selektope products did customers launch in Q2 and Q3? And how many projects were passed because of the EU process.

Markus Jönsson executive
#37

To my knowledge, we haven't really seen any new launch or any product being passed during Q3.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#38

Another question from viewers. What's the reason for the large fluctuation in revenue? Are there any seasonal fluctuation when it comes I-Tech?

Markus Jönsson executive
#39

No, I think it's back to Lara's question again. I mean we have a few customers that place rather big orders, right? And the pattern varies between months. So it really matters, you could say, we in what quarter a certain order ends, right? So that's the main reason for the filtration.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#40

And speaking of your customer base, there's a lot of questions there. Another question from the chat. How much of Q3 growth came from the covered second -- recovering second-lowest customer? And is that what is underlying growth excluding it?

Markus Jönsson executive
#41

A substantial part in Q3 because that has been the picture, you could say, throughout Q1, Q2 and Q3. I think we talked about this already in Q1 that they recovered much quicker than we anticipated, right? And I think it's reassuring to say that, that momentum has kept you could say, through Q1, through Q2 and Q3. And of course, last year, they were buying very little in Q2, Q3, right? So of course, a big part of the contribution comes from the second biggest customer.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#42

Another question regarding the second largest customer, it's 123% growth restocking or a sustainable run rate, how much of the receivable does it own?

Markus Jönsson executive
#43

Yes. So in general, the stocking effect is quite minimal for our type of business. Selektope is a very expensive raw material. It's not something that you want to sit on. Paint manufacturing is a just-in-time business, right? However, our customers do need to build stock of their own product to be able to service the service or the dry-docking market, right? But I would say that this -- since the growth has sort of accelerated early on in the year and has maintained, you could say, level throughout quarter 1, 2 and 3, right? It's a more sustainable level, right? That's what you can say.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#44

Other questions from Bisha. The 9-month growth with CMP was 15% versus 35% in the first half. which implies Q3 fell about a quarter. Was that order timing Selektope CMP's formulation. What's the explanation there?

Markus Jönsson executive
#45

Yes. I would say mainly order timing, but they could also be related to their production planning.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#46

And what's E&P's Q3 change year-on-year?

Markus Jönsson executive
#47

That number, I unfortunately don't have with me today.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#48

Very well. Moving on then, this quarter resulting a lot more nonrecurring expense that the usual SEK 1.5 million for the EU BPR regulatory process. Approximately how much expense this quarter was nonrecurring?

Markus Jönsson executive
#49

Well, you have expenses then related to our acquisitions, right, in the license agreement. But I will not go into detail, you could say how much they are individual precisely and there came a question from Oscar in the chat as well.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#50

What can you say about your expected investment in cost structure connected to the acquisition in and the license agreement recently communicated?

Markus Jönsson executive
#51

So the acquisition that we announced in August, that was -- it's a one-off, right? It's an acquisition of a technology. And so that's essentially how you could view that with the license agreement, as I was mentioning, this is a recurring license fee, so a yearly license fee. And overall, it is success-based. So it will only increase if we are very successful with sales.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#52

And this is regarding the aquaculture acquisition, correct?

Markus Jönsson executive
#53

Both of them are for aquaculture.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#54

Right, right. And because there is a question here. What is the minimum annual fee for titanium, what run rate should we be expecting here?

Markus Jönsson executive
#55

Yes, I will not go into that.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#56

No. But there is a question regarding aquaculture. It was a question from a view where who wanted to know when, and I think you addressed that Lara, but also what -- could you describe your competition with TAM?

Markus Jönsson executive
#57

TAM?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#58

TAM is what the viewer wrote in the chat.

Markus Jönsson executive
#59

Okay. Well, that one, unfortunately, if they could provide some clarity. Competition you read the question again?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#60

Yes, we can go with competition overall in aquaculture.

Markus Jönsson executive
#61

Okay. Well, aquaculture, you could say, it's a competitive market, right? We're talking about food production, right? So of course, margins in general are slim. However, bio-fouling is a major challenge for them, right? And as I was saying also in the presentation today, the impact it has on yield is quite dramatic, right? So you can imagine if you improve the yield with a few percentage points that has huge value an aquaculture farm, right? So actually, it's that value, of course, that if we can help to enable this additional value, it's an opportunity for us for our products.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#62

Moving on with more questions from the chat. What is order visibility for Q4? Are you seeing any customers destocking?

Markus Jönsson executive
#63

I mean I cannot comment really on Q4, right? It's not forward-looking. So yes.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#64

Our owners are deferring dry docks because of higher charter rates, your reports show repair activity only 3% above 25 run rate.

Markus Jönsson executive
#65

So as I was mentioning in repair rates or sort of the number of ships that goes into repair is very much decided, you could say, but how many ships you have that was built, you could say, 5 years or service 5 years ago, right? So that has a natural variation rather than you can say it's high economic activity, right? The ships have to go into maintenance after 5 years. So it's simply a function of the number of ships that are supposed to go into dry dock, right? We merely had it to illustrate that there is really, I would say, an upward momentum and high activity in shipyards overall, right?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#66

The viewer in the previous question regarding competition. And as said that TAM is, of course, total available market, which I think we touched on. Moving on then, can you elaborate on how the new build VLCC order book affects your sales going into 2027, 2028?

Markus Jönsson executive
#67

Yes, I mean, it won't affect us that quickly, right? I think these ships are being ordered now, they will be coated in approximately 3 years, right? So it's that sort of time lag that we have, right? Of course, then in 3, 4 years, we hopefully will see an uptick then for the VLCC.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#68

Another question. Can you add some color on staff costs?

Markus Jönsson executive
#69

Well, they have increased this year, right, because -- and we talked about that in earlier quarters as well. We have invested in our organization. So all in all, we've added 3 FTEs this year, right, on top of sort of the level we had last year.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#70

And the level you have here at Q3 of SEK 5.5 million, is that the new quarterly run rate that investors should expect?

Markus Jönsson executive
#71

Yes, approximately, yes.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#72

Yes. Moving on then, do you finally see any other competing technologies in commercial shipping antifouling, which were starting to gain commercial process? Or are these solutions still in development?

Markus Jönsson executive
#73

Well, I think there are many solutions you could say, competing for this space, right? I mean, we talked, I think, earlier about silicon coatings as being sort of a rather new if you talk about shipping terms, right, a new technology that is taking market share. And a lot of people are talking about sort of proactive and reactive cleaning as an alternative 20 filing. But we cannot really see that there's an alternative technology that is massively gaining momentum. I think antifoulinf is really the key technology that you need to create sort of the preconditions of keeping your ship foul-free.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#74

And as you can see, here comes some regulatory questions, some more of those. If the nonrenewal passes, what are the time lines for entry into force in grace periods for pain stocks and coated vessels when will you file the legal challenge?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#75

Well, so we don't know exactly when a possible negative decision comes into force. I would -- based on other substances that have faced similar challenges. I would say likely within this year. And then we have the 180-day grace period. So that is then affecting both antifoulinf coating, so paints and then vessels that are placed on the European market.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#76

There's another question here, perhaps to you, perhaps to Markus or you decide that. Given that EU renewable now is potentially likely nonrenewal, apologies. Could you please share how discussions with Asian paint manufacturer are progressing and our assessment of potential impact on Selektope sales in Asia?

Markus Jönsson executive
#77

Yes. I mean, we, of course, keep a very close dialogue with our customers, right? And what CIC showed you today was sort of a snapshot of what we expect to be the consequences of a nonrenewal, right? So of course, we keep a close dialogue to support our customers, like there are many questions that today, when will this happen? What is the grace period, et cetera, right? So it's really key for us to be very close to the customer. So we have, I could say, ambitious communication plan for this autumn and into next year as well, right? On 1 hand and, of course, to inform them about the process, but also then if there should be a negative decision, what are the implications for you? So that's a plan really to stay close to our customers.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#78

Next question, how should investors think about the terminal value of the company when patents expire?

Markus Jönsson executive
#79

That is a very, very tricky question, I would say. Patents are very important, but you also have other things, right, that really defines your stickiness. So I think the regulatory approvals is clearly 1 thing as well, right, on top of the patents that give you stickiness. I think also in our case, I mean, we have patents, you could say, of course, the original patent for using Selektope and antifouling coating, right? Or antifouling [indiscernible] side, sorry. that has expired, but there are a number of formulations patents. There are production patterns, et cetera, right? And we also recently filed new patents for Selektope containing products, right? So of course, we try to keep an ambitious sort of agenda of strengthening the IP going forward. And so it's really difficult to say the terminal value wise. Is that really linked to the patent or to -- I think it's linked to the overall market. And of course, what potential decisions, competitors may take in the future, right? And how they then enter the market, et cetera.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#80

There's a group of questions that came in here just as we're about to finish. So I think I'll read those while we still have the time. Speaking of patents expiring intentionally adding new products, is there any revenue from other things than Selektope? And if not, when could that come?

Markus Jönsson executive
#81

Now at the moment, I mean, Selektope is our only product, right? And we just recently acquired these technologies, right? So we have, you could say, also on top of these external technologies, we have internal product developments that will be launched, hopefully, also within, you could say, the coming 1 to 2 years. And then these new technologies, as I was mentioning, the biological derived additive, also within the coming years. It's difficult to say exactly, right? So 2 to 3 years potentially with titanium technology, it's too soon to say. But definitely, the ambition is that i-Tech will have more products you could say, to base our growth going forward. And as you can see then, right, we clearly take concrete steps to make this happen at the moment.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#82

Same viewer asks how much of your revenue comes from dry docking? And what is the customer concentrated?

Markus Jönsson executive
#83

Yes. So that's -- we try to assess you could say, how much of our Selektope sales goes into new id versus dry docking. And it's quite easy with the South Korean market because South Korea is a new building market. There is not much service happen there, right? So we know that our sales that goes to Korea is mainly or predominantly into new build, right? Japan is a little bit different. It's more 50-50. And then as you can see with China, right, it's also close to 50-50, right? But we assess that still around 60% of Selektope sales goes into new build, 40% to the service market. And again, to grow in the service segment is also linked to grow -- for us to grow in China, right? So this is the #1 service market that we need to really address better going forward.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#84

If I remember correctly from your presentation, 3% of your revenues come from Europe, right?

Markus Jönsson executive
#85

Yes. Year-to-date.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#86

Yes, that was year-to-date. Overall, how much share of revenue is from Europe.

Markus Jönsson executive
#87

Last year, I believe it was 4. And the year before that, it was only 2, 3, right? So it varies a little bit. It has grown, you could say this year, right?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#88

Yes. following along then? Are there any -- oh, I'm sorry, right. The reapproval process for Selektope in the EU. So see, we don't have a result yet, but do you think that it will be reapproved?

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#89

That is a very difficult question. There have been meeting notes from the meeting taking place in June, which indicated there are member states that do not agree with the current development where EU has proposed a known approval. So it is very difficult to say. I remain hopeful, which I think you might need to be in regulatory affairs in general. But I don't want to speculate.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#90

Do you share that for view you, Markus?

Markus Jönsson executive
#91

Yes. Well, I mean to add some color to that, I think what Ceci is saying, we tend to see that the member states tend to vote in accordance with the proposal from Europe, right, which then you could say speak to our disadvantage. But as Cecilia was mentioning then a number of have at least voiced concerns here, right? And to my understanding, it only takes 4 member states to vote no to this proposal for there to be a blocking minority, which means that then there is not a yes, and they cannot actually implement the legislation. So of course, we are very hopeful that there will be 4 European member states that actually do recognize the value, right, going forward. But again, we shouldn't stand here speculating.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#92

And then continuing on you, micros. Another question, what is normal run rate, Q4 2024 and Q1 2025 were good the viewers then the rest of '25 "bad". What are normal levels?

Markus Jönsson executive
#93

What are normal for a growth company. right? I mean we do identify ourselves as a growth company. But of course, everybody asked me, so how much growth will you deliver? What is your plan for the individual year, right? And we do not release that externally, unfortunately, right? But we really -- we identify ourselves as a growth company. We want to deliver, you could say, more than double-digit growth, right? That's definitely our target. But to say exactly how much that growth will be here and is difficult because of the industry that we are in and the variations we see from customers, right? So typically, we have this variation seen between months and quarters, right? But what happened last year was the second biggest customer coming back and saying, no, we revised our forecast for the year, right? And that despite the fact that we grew very nicely with the biggest customer, CNP and all the other customers, right? We had really good growth numbers last year. However, that was completely drowned by the negative effect of the second biggest customer. it is -- we are dependent on the development of our customers, right, going forward. And it does vary.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#94

We're exiting the quarter with a cash position of SEK 177 million. And there's a view in the question again, who asks why don't you lose a share buyback?

Markus Jönsson executive
#95

Yes. And to our understanding, we are not allowed to be listed or noted on Nasdaq First North. However, there's a proposal to change this regulation, right? And sort of we are awaiting that. And if that happens, you could say, before the end of this year. Then, of course, we have another tool, you could say, to address you could say the value share with our shareholders right going forward.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#96

Dividends or share buybacks, is there any favorable -- favorite system?

Markus Jönsson executive
#97

We -- I mean we hear both requests, right? So I would say many people, of course, love dividends, but some feel that it's better spent money to do share buybacks. So let's look at doing both, right, and what makes us.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#98

And what's the plan with the cash position right now?

Markus Jönsson executive
#99

Well, it is to invest in the business, right? So as we said, the business development opportunity, the pipelines, we need to preserve cash, you could say, for regulatory approvals, quite costly. Also to invest in our operations going forward, right? But definitely, we will be looking at how can we give more of this back to the shareholders, right? There is no point in sort of having a too high buffer either, right?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#100

Before we move on to the final question here in the chat. I would like to remind you is that if you have a question, now is the perfect time to ask it before we wrap up. Is Selektope is silicon yet?

Markus Jönsson executive
#101

Not to my knowledge, but we hope it should be. It's one of the innovations that we are sort of slowly but surely bringing to the market.

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#102

They came in on the question here. How much is spent on regulatory approvals?

Markus Jönsson executive
#103

Yes, I don't have the exact figures, but I think you can compare, you could say it external pending before 2023 and now, right? And you can see the difference, right? It is a quite costly exercise, right?

Mikael Magnusson attendee
#104

Markus Jönsson, Cecilia Ohlauson. Thank you very much for being here and answering our questions. And also of course, presenting.

Markus Jönsson executive
#105

Thank you very much.

Cecilia Ohlauson executive
#106

Thank you.

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