Suncor Energy Inc. (SU) Earnings Call Transcript

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Suncor Energy Second Quarter 2026 Financial Results Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Suncor Energy's Senior Vice President of External Affairs, Mr. Adam Albeldawi. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and good morning. Welcome to Suncor Energy's Second Quarter Earnings Call. Please note that today's comments contain forward-looking information. Actual results may differ materially from the expected results because of various risk factors and assumptions that are described in our second quarter earnings release as well as in our current annual information form, both of which are available on SEDAR, EDGAR and our website, suncor.com. Certain financial measures referred to in these comments are not prescribed by Canadian generally accepted accounting principles. For a description of these financial measures, please see our second quarter earnings release. We will start with comments from Rich Kruger, President and Chief Executive Officer; followed by Troy Little, Suncor's Chief Financial Officer. Also on the call are Peter Zebedee, Executive Vice President, Upstream; Dave Oldreive, Executive Vice President, Downstream; and Shelley Powell, Senior Vice President, Operational Improvement and Support Services. Following the formal remarks, we'll open the call up to questions. Now I'll hand it over to Rich to share his comments.

Thanks, Adam. Our second quarter involved completing major maintenance and positioning for a strong second half and that's exactly what we did. Before I will cover financial performance, I'll first discuss operational starting with safety. I'm pleased to report that our base plant mining received an industry safety award, the John T. Ryan Award for best-in-class safety performance as recognized by the Canadian Institute of Mining. This marks the second consecutive year of Suncor Mining team received this award, extremely proud of our team for this well-deserved recognition for excellence in an area that represents our highest overall priority. Moving to upstream production. 761,000 barrels a day in the second quarter. Before I continue, though, a pop quiz. What's the difference between the story of Noah's ark told in the book at Genesis and the Fort McMurray region in the second quarter of 2026? In Noah's ark the torrential rains stopped after 40 days and 40 nights. In Fort Mc, record rain and snow melt continued throughout the quarter, with total precipitation the highest in more than 30 years, 50% higher than the 10-year average and unfortunately, a materially affected mining productivity and quarterly production with an estimated 50,000 to 60,000 barrels a day impact in the second quarter. Clearly, this was an unusual one-off event, but we learned from it to build resilience for future events by improving our planning and preparation with new 48- and 72-hour weather outlooks, by stockpiling mine in the most -- or excuse me, in the most vulnerable areas within each mine, by presecuring critical minerals and equipment such as gravel and graders, by using technologies such as drones to monitor mine conditions real time. The takeaway is we can't eliminate weather risk, but we can better mitigate the impact. The good news, since late second quarter, things are back to normal, with production at expected rates. In fact, July's preliminary production is on the order of 870,000 barrels a day which would be our second highest July ever. Despite this year's weather over the last 3 years, second quarter production has averaged 59,000 barrels a day higher than the second quarter of the prior 3 years with better turnarounds and higher asset performance driving the results. Upgrader utilization, 93% in 2Q with our spring turnaround at base plant now complete. Year-to-date, we're at 94%, a new record, 1% higher than the first half of last year. Refining throughput, 471,000 barrels a day in the quarter, our second highest 2Q ever, 28,000 barrels a day higher than our previous best 2Q, which was last year. Montreal and Edmonton, our largest refineries led the way at 151,000 and 161,000 barrels a day, respectively, and a combined utilization of 99%. Overall, 2Q network utilization, 92% on our new higher rerated capacity of 511,000 barrels a day. With major maintenance activities completed at both Commerce City and Sarnia, year-to-date utilization is 95%, a new record, 4% higher than the first half of last year. Here again, over the last 3 years, '24 through '26, 2Q throughput has increased every year, averaging 78,000 barrels a day higher than the 2Q of the prior 3 years, continuing to raise the bar and improve performance. Product sales 655,000 barrels a day, like refining throughput, our highest second quarter ever, 54,000 barrels a day higher than the previous best second quarter, which was last year. Our eighth quarter in a row now with sales greater than 600,000 barrels a day after never achieving 600,000 barrels a day in any quarter over our history. A note of interest, jet sales were a record 51,000 barrels a day, 90% higher than our previous record of 27,000 barrels a day in the first quarter, achieved by fine-tuning our product slate to maximize global market value. Over the last 3 years, '24 through '26, 2Q sales have increased every year, averaging 101,000 barrels a day higher in the 2Q of the prior 3 years. Here again, raising the bar, improving performance. Over the last several years, we've talked a lot about turnaround performance, improving cost and schedule. As a reminder, historically, greater than 20% of our capital, roughly $1.25 billion per year was spent on turnarounds. During our I-Day in May 2024, we committed to reduce turnaround costs by $250 million per year over 3 years. We achieved that objective in 2 years versus 3 years. In mid-'25, we increased our ambition to $350 million per year in capital reductions. We now expect to achieve that in 2026 again earlier than expected. And this year, on March 31, we upped our goal to $400 million a year. With that context, I'll highlight 2Q performance focusing on Firebag, illustrating ways in which we continue to improve performance. Our Firebag turnaround involved major maintenance of the 2 largest of our 4 plants, 93 and 94. Combined, the 2 plants processed roughly 2/3 of the field's 250,000 barrels a day capacity. In our guidance for the year, we included an estimated impact of 85,000 barrels a day in the second quarter. This was our longest duration, biggest volumetric impact event of the year. The last turnaround of similar scope was completed in 2022, 4 years ago. It took 58 days at a cost of $150 million. This year, with a slightly larger scope, we completed the work in 44 days for $118 million, 24% reduction in duration, 21% reduction in cost. This work to achieve this started more than 2 years ago included innovations and equipment inspections and work practices. Examples using ROVs for internally inspecting long steam line sections, using drones for inspections inside large diameter pipes and vessels, circulating mineral oil inside process vessels to accelerate cleaning cycles. An idea by Firebag coordinators, Max Bombardier and Samantha snow. Max literally observed a contractor years ago using Johnson & Johnson baby oil to clean equipment. He contacted Samantha, the process engineer at the time, to research it. Samantha identified Petro-Canada lube product, we tested it over time. And this year, we applied it at scale in plants 93 and 94, cutting 2 full days off of vessel cleaning by one simple idea, save time, save money, kept people safer. This is one of a litany of examples of what Suncor people are doing today company-wide. Firebag results, lower cost, lower duration and faster production restoration. The second quarter impact was 60,000 barrels a day from the turnaround work, a 25,000 barrel a day improvement versus the plan. We also completed prep work for future tie-ins and further plan debottlenecking, working smarter today and smarter for tomorrow. The final prize is with the work we did, we will now be extending plant 93 and 94 next turnaround cycle to 5 years versus the historic 4 years, a total team accomplishment complements to Nabeel Jafri and his regional turnaround team, Miles Fleming and his operational management team and Jason Gaudette and his central support team working together focused, collaborative results-oriented. I've highlighted Firebag, but we also completed other second quarter work successfully. Base plant YouTube Coker completed in 46 days versus 60 days in 2021. $203 million cost, 10% less than the last effect at $225 million. Commerce City refinery completed in 50 days versus 74 days in 2021. We've got more work to do in the third quarter, but our second quarter results position us well for a strong second half. My overriding message, Suncor remains focused like a laser to perform, compete and win by operating standards, best-in-class performance ambitions clear definitive plans, priorities, short term and long term, a deep team-based results-oriented high-performance culture focused on what we can control and what we can execute. We believe we offer a compelling value proposition, reliable, ratable high-performance, reliable, ratable high cash flow, a literal machine built to deliver in all business environments. With that, I'll turn it to Troy.

Thanks, Rich, and good morning, everyone. This quarter was a powerful demonstration of just how much Suncor's ability to generate cash has changed in the past 4 years. You may recall in our Q1 conference call that I highlighted that not only has our resilience improved, through the lowering of our corporate breakeven by $10 per barrel. The earnings power of today's Suncor at higher prices has been improved by an even greater measure. Proving this point, we finished the second quarter of 2026 with $5.3 billion in adjusted funds from operations, nearly double that of a year ago, and tying our all-time quarterly record set in the second quarter of 2022. The difference is that this time, WTI averaged $93 per barrel for the quarter, roughly $15 per barrel lower than in the second quarter of 2022, with an averaged $108 per barrel. Even more meaningfully on a per share basis, AFFO in the second quarter of 2026 of $4.52 per share is nearly 20% higher than the AFFO per share in that same historical quarter of 2022. We're delivering more cash flow and more value per share with less help from commodity prices. That's the result of building a stronger, more reliable and more profitable business over the last few years. And what's important to remember, this wasn't a perfect quarter. unprecedented weather conditions impacted production and left value on the table. Even so, we matched our all-time AFFO record and delivered our highest-ever AFFO and free funds flow per share. As we continue to advance our Investor Day plan, we see further opportunities to improve and grow earnings power from an already record level of performance. Now I want to highlight our downstream business, which has, again, taken advantage of a strong margin environment to generate record segment AFFO. Suncor generated record downstream AFFO of $2.3 billion this quarter, nearly $200 million above our previous record in the second quarter of 2022. And we did that with the New York Harbor 2-1-1 crack margin, net of the renewable volume obligation or RVO more than $10 per barrel lower than in the second quarter of 2022. Margin capture this quarter came in at 89%. Not bad, but that number [indiscernible] the underlying strength. This is because, unlike many of our peers, our benchmark does not deduct our [indiscernible] even though the gross margin we compare it to nets out our own RVO compliance costs. With average RVO pricing jumping $5 per barrel from the first quarter to the second, the single factor drove a variance of 10 percentage points of capture. Excluding this increase, we saw a very strong margin capture of 99% for the quarter. How did we achieve such strong margin capture? Our sales and marketing and supply and trading teams, again, turn to market dislocations into value, in particular, in export markets. Through ports in [ Berard ] in Montreal, we exported 56 cargoes in the first half of the year nearly matching the 58 cargoes shipped in all of 2025. That's our integrated model at work, providing flexibility, capturing stronger netbacks and turning market volatility into value. years of logistics and commercial buildup paid off once again this quarter. Now let me spend a minute on our balance sheet as well as our -- as capital allocation. Suncor ended the quarter with $4.5 million in net debt. 5% lower than where we started this decade and placing us at less than half of our guardrail of 1x net debt to cash flow at $50 per barrel WTI. Just like our low corporate breakeven, this amount of net debt gives the company a level of resilience that it has never had in its history. With our balance sheet in excellent shape, backed by a business that is able to generate meaningful excess funds across the commodity cycle, our focus is then on getting funds back to shareholders in a reliable and predictable way. From a shareholder return perspective, in the second quarter, we returned $1.8 billion to shareholders in the form of $1.1 billion in buybacks and $706 million in dividends. And starting this week, those buybacks will increase to $500 million per month or $1.5 billion per quarter, reflecting the substantial growth in excess funds this business is generating in the current environment as well as the benefits of the improvements we detailed at our recent Investor Day. This marks our second increase in shareholder returns this year. As a reminder, we entered 2026 with a buyback of $275 million per month. We then increased it to $350 million per month in April, and now we're increasing it again to $500 million per month. Put simply, the better this business performs, the more shareholders should expect to share in that success. And while we will always retain the flexibility to respond to material changes in market conditions, we believe that predictable and ratable shareholder returns can be achieved even as commodity prices inevitably move around. With that, I will turn the call back over so that we can take some questions.

Thank you, Troy. I'll turn the call back to the operator to take some questions.

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Greg Pardy with RBC Capital Markets.

Thanks for the rundown. Probably the most obvious question is just with the increase in the buyback now to $500 million per month, is that sort of a forever number? It certainly has good legs as you move into '27, just given free cash flow generation in the balance sheet. And let's just say the $500 million level you still have net debt kind of trending down to 0, which would be an incredibly good problem to have. But are there other levers that you could pull in terms of returning cash to shareholders?

Troy?

Yes, sure. Thanks, Greg. I think you should look at our actions to answer that question. Recall that in 2025, the crude price moved between the low 70s and the high 50s per barrel. Throughout that entire time, we kept our buyback constant at $250 million a month until we actually increased it in December by 10%. And that increase came at the lower part of that year's commodity cycle. More recently, look at Q2, we started the quarter with WTI at over $100 per barrel and ended the quarter was at under $70 per barrel. Our buyback continued ratably and predictably at $350 million per month. So like any company, we have to maintain some flexibility for extreme events, but it should be clear by now that we want to deliver something that's unique and has value to investors, and that is predictable and ratable shareholder returns through the commodity cycle. And that's not the only thing we're doing that we think is unique. We also do not have an absolute dollar net debt target that includes thresholds for when we pay shareholder returns. We don't because we don't think shareholder return should be driven by what our debt is, but rather should be driven by what our performance is. That is why we instead have a guardrail of 1x net debt to cash flow at $50 per barrel WTI. That allows us to manage our leverage alongside how our underlying business evolves. So as to specific timing, I would recommend you all take your view of commodity prices, even if it's a low one and run it through your models for the foreseeable future with a $500 million a month buyback and see how long that would last. That duration is what a rock-solid balance sheet and a top quality business can offer.

Okay. Well, I'm glad I asked that question. I think we got the answer. Rich, [indiscernible] reflection with like a multitude of things you've already kind of come up with in terms of mitigation and how you're prepared for this. I know you're always thinking through things. Are there any other just observations, the earnings from the quarter operationally, whether it's upstream or downstream and how you're continuing to safe the company for resilience that you're set to share.

Greg, you're cracking up quite a bit, but I think I got the gist of it. And I'm going to turn it over to Peter in just a second to use an upstream example. What we're seeing as we've institutionalize a high-performance culture in the organization, we can't always stop things from happening or things we can't control, but we can very much control we respond and recover when things off plan happen. And I think the example of the rainfall is a good example in it that we stepped back and learned from that and just didn't accept what we were given and said, how can we change this outcome in the future? And Peter, you and I were talking yesterday, why don't you share a further example of what we're doing to learn as we go on.

Yes. Thanks for the question, Greg. I would say we've really taken the time to step back and understand what the learnings are from the significant rainfall events that we saw through the first quarter and really start to proceduralize even more our response to adverse weather conditions. Rich mentioned a couple of them in his comments there, but strategically placing stockpiles of ore in around the mine, strategically placing materials for road construction and support equipment to make sure our road networks come up quicker are just a couple examples of that. We've also looked at implementing technologies such as drone technologies and overlaying that on some maps to look at where are we most vulnerable and where do we have to deploy our equipment more rapidly. And we've seen some success post Q2 in recent rainfall events where our response times are much quicker. Our ability to ramp back up to full production capacity has increased significantly. And maybe one more example, Greg, we had talked about on previous calls, implementation of a mud mode in our AHS system in base plants. In fact, we've now moved to mud mode 2.0 and seen a lot of success in reducing the slippage events on the trucks as a result. In fact, the slippage events were down 80% relative to the initial version of this software, and that's -- I think that's a good example of the continuous improvement mindset that our teams have, working collaboratively with our vendors to be able to do that and deploying that at scale. So lots of learnings and pleased with the results in -- with recent performance.

One other thing I'll just add to that. Thanks, Peter. We have the ELT, I'm looking around the room, we have a text thread that we're we communicate with pretty continuously. We'll talk about everything from flames [indiscernible] to movie quotes to performance. And looking at Dave, as I say this, Dave will share with us a particular unit at a refinery that went down. And about the time I catch up with the text thread, he's already put another note in there, and we fixed it. We're back on at full rates again. It's just an organizational capability that rallies and focuses when something goes off plan to correct and rectify it ASAP. And we can give you dozens of examples of that are different today than they were at points in time in the past.

[Operator Instructions] And that will come from the line of Dennis Fong with CIBC World Markets.

And I appreciate the prepared remarks there, just around how you're managing through a very tough quarter. My first question [indiscernible] back in the Investor Day, where you discussed thoughts around near-term growth as well as long-term resource development, but with like a large focus on value and volume. As we look towards scenarios where egress out of Western Canada have the potential to increase and increase quite significantly, how does that necessarily maybe shift or shape your thoughts around managing options to either accelerate development from some of your institute opportunities at [indiscernible] and Firebag? Or how have your teams maybe found opportunities to showcase that same amount of growth, but maybe with like lower capital or more efficient deployment of that capital?

Thanks, Dennis. It's like you sat in on our Board meeting last week. You recall in -- on May -- or excuse me, March 31, we defined or describe that plan as largely within our control. It didn't need fiscal and regulatory reform. It didn't need new pipelines. This is something we had confidence that we could deliver and execute. Of course, it was underpinned by the large high-quality resource base, predominantly in situ. That gives us a lot of optionality. We're very much embracing this design one, build multiple strategy approach for a whole host of reasons. But today, we're also looking at what's the right cadence of that. We have optionality to accelerate that if growth were to be valued by us and our shareholders. We're not -- we've not shifted to that mode at all, but we have that flexibility. Certainly, things in Canada have been more encouraging over the last year or so than the prior decade. But the beauty with us is we have the optionality to go at a quicker pace at a ramped-up growth if and when market conditions would say that is the right strategy. We're not there yet but we're paying very close attention to the signposts and doing some prework that would preserve our options to do that if we selected it.

Great. I appreciate that background. And I promise I was not sitting in your Board meeting.

You're welcome. You're welcome any time, Dennis.

I appreciate that. I want to ask a secure question just on regional integration. Clearly, through the second quarter, that benefited a lot of situations, and we'll call it avoiding, we'll call it the worst outcomes associated with the unprecedented weather conditions that you guys experienced in the second quarter. Can you talk towards, again, I know that's, frankly, a backbone and a staple of the way that you think about operating your assets. But can you talk towards, again, in light of the potential growth optionality and even maybe the increased demand for [indiscernible] or even solvent for some of the technologies you're planning to employ? Can you talk towards how that regional integration really helps drive, we'll call it, confidence in terms of your ability to execute on some of those operations?

I've been known to say corney slogans now and then there's integration, there's Suncor integration, and you hit right on it. And of course, it's the unique level of [indiscernible]. I'm looking down the table really, Peter, Shelley, Dave, you all can comment on this because it's how your operating committee, how you work day in, day out, maximize value. Peter, do you want to start?

Yes. Maybe I'll start by saying, yes, you're right that we did move a large amount of -- over 90,000 barrels around the region in the quarter that certainly helped to make sure we got the bitumen to those upgraders and maintain high upgrader utilization. Syncrude was a classic example of that, where we saw impacts due to wet weather conditions in the Syncrude mines. We move Firebag bitumen over and cut the upgraders running full. And that's really the name of the game. We -- having that operational flexibility for us, we now as a competitive differentiator, moving lots of Fort Hills barrels into the base plants as well. Just to touch on the diluent side, we are fully integrated. We make our diluent at the base plant upgrader. We can ship it up to Firebag via a pipeline that's in place and operating today. We actually have a spare line in the ground as well today should we choose to scale up, and that will be one of our in-situ development projects that we're going to bring on here in the next couple of years. And so it's one thing being integrated on the bitumen side, being integrated on the upgrading side between upgraded products, but also on the diluent side, which will help our in-situ operations. So yes, it's very handy to have as an operator when things don't quite go as expected.

Just to double down on that, the flexibility that provides us and the resiliency, market conditions, reduces our reliance on third-party providers and any operational upsets they may have that flexibility is just is tremendous, and you see it in our results. Dave, why don't you make a comment a little bit as well. And I'm thinking in terms of the integration of the upstream with Edmonton and the flexibility it provides.

Yes, absolutely. So we integrate our Edmonton refinery directly with our oil sands operations. We run a single what we call it linear programming model to optimize that. Think of that as a big AI tool that optimizes the region with the Edmonton refinery and all the way to our markets and to our export sales globally on our domestic markets. With that capability, we can do a lot of interesting things. One of those things is if there's an upside in the region, we can adjust the [indiscernible] Edmonton take some special streams to help you the base plant operator full, for example, while Edmonton refinery is optimized. We also have diluent processing capability. So if we're short of diluent, we can send some diluent up north. But more interestingly, we can run intermediate streams, special blended crudes to fill at the Edmonton pots and pans, and you'll see that in this quarter. Rich mentioned we had record throughput. We also had record sales. And you'll note that the record sales are much a much bigger gap than the record throughput and the difference, a large part of that difference is these intermediate streams that we ran to Edmonton refinery over the quarter. 10,000 to 15,000 barrels a day is our capability. We continue to grow that. And that really translates into pure diesel production that we sell really globally to our export markets around the world. So really from the oil sands, all the way to diesel sales in Europe and Panama and in Asia, we integrate this business.

So if we invited you inside our tent, what you'd see is operations teams driving the safety, integrity, reliability at an asset-specific level. But we've added as our performance has reduced variation elevated integrated teams that are continually looking at maximum value. Where molecules move, how do they compensate when we have an operational upset, again, the whole goal is maximize value. At an operational level, you can't always see that. But when you rise above it, you see the interconnectedness. And that is a difference today than the past. And you see it in our results, I thought Troy described it very well. The ratable, predictable nature that has less reliance on underlying market conditions. It's how we work.

[Operator Instructions] That will come from the line of Menno Hulshof with TD Cowen.

I'll start with a question on global product sales, which were clearly very strong and continue to increase, where do you stand in terms of building out access to global markets? And would you frame this as a more sustainable improvement to the business? Or would you characterize it as being more transitory and largely driven by ongoing volatility in pricing for global refined products?

Thanks, Menno. I'll start and then Dave will comment further. The strategy we put in place didn't just start with the recent volatility in global markets. We had a vision a few years ago of a broader presence that can open up markets and open up avenues of value for us. So at our Investor Day, we talked about how a few years ago, we could sell in 20-some countries around the world. And now that's in the mid-40s. We have described how we've expanded our logistical capabilities with time charters on vessels so we can move products and crude off of the West Coast, products off of the East Coast. So it has been a several year in creation. And what you've seen now most recently, you've seen the benefits of that. Dave, you want to comment a little bit about particularly this kind of -- do we think there's a structural benefit here versus is this a one-off transient? And I'll tell you what the right answer is but...

I think, I know. Yes, Menno, I'll comment a little bit on our -- Rich commented on how we've been building out our trading platform over the last number of years, selling into multiple countries around the world. And I've commented before how we have unique capacity and capabilities to export our [indiscernible] coast. So I'll talk about each coast separately. Off the West Coast, we've been -- that is our terminal in [indiscernible] rail and pipeline those molecules, almost all diesel from Edmonton refinery, a highly competitive asset that can sell globally at competitive netbacks. We've been growing that logistic. Just to attention to detail, a constraint busting mindset, the integrated team kind of optimizes our railroading, our rail movements, our rail offloading. We blend that with the pipeline shipments that come in on TMX. We optimize vessel loading windows, and we maximize a sufficient logistics. And with that, last year, we could do 3 to 4 cargos a month on a good month. The end of last year and into early '26, through that constraint busting activity, we've moved that up to 5 cargos a month. And in May, we actually achieved in the calendar month of May, we achieved for the first time 6 cargos a month. So yes, it is structural. We can continue to do more from that efficient logistics and that competitive asset base, and then we market that through a trading organization off the West Coast. On the East Coast, we have similar capabilities. We have our new [indiscernible] asset, which we can rail supply. We also have our Montreal refinery, which we can what I call Orbit shift, we can decide how much of Montreal refinery supplies domestically versus exports. And the big story for Montreal in this quarter is our ability to export jet. Jet fuel, as you -- as you know, [indiscernible] kind of late first quarter into the second quarter, and we recently started making Jet fuel in Montreal really in the fourth quarter of last year and continued into the first quarter. That was meant to be less than 5 kbd domestic sale opportunity that we would ultimately grow. In the in the first -- in the second quarter, Nelson Couto from Montreal, he's production control, coordinator in Montreal. He went out boots on the ground, walked the lines, looked around and said, I need to figure out how to export jet. What's the logistic that can do that and found a zero-cost opportunity to go export jet fuel out of Montreal. And we were able to then take a #1 diesel stream, which also meets jet qualities, converted to jet qualities and continue to export. So we exported 22,000 barrels a day of Jeff fuel out of Montreal. That's a structural capability that we can continue to do if the market is there. The market this time last year, that was 0. And our vision was less, was 5 kbd. So we're -- we can now do 25,000 barrels a day of jet fuel out of Montreal.

So lots of opportunities there to continue that program. So that's a long answer for both of us. This says this is a structural change that will add value on an ongoing basis long term.

Terrific. Yes. And maybe second question is on the Commerce City refinery. In the past, you've suggested that you may not necessarily be married to it, but more recently, you've suggested that the asset is performing at a higher level and holding its own. So there's a couple of questions here. How much of that is stronger regional tracks versus fundamental improvements to how the asset is operated? And then just in terms of refined product egress out of the Rockies, we're seeing some initiatives that point to improved egress from the Rockies to the West Coast and how is that all dovetailing into how you're thinking about the longer-term fit for that asset?

Just for clarity, I've never used the word married on any asset. That's a very high bar. What we talked about -- do certain assets fit in the family photo. And make no mistake, Dave and I, a few years ago, went to Commerce City, and we took a photo and showed it landscape in portrait and said, if you want to stay in it, here's what you need to do and what you need to deliver. And that facility and that team has delivered, improving their performance, fundamental safety, operational integrity, reliability, cost discipline, still work to do but they have changed their fate in a material way. Now we also have some market benefits in our favor. But as we look at it, and we'll differentiate from that, we'll take the market [indiscernible]. But we really want to look at our underlying performance, and that facility is value to us has grown materially based on their performance, and we think that is also sustainable. I don't know, Dave, if you have anything specific on egress or the Rockies to add to that?

Maybe just a couple of quick comments. So yes, Menno, you're absolutely correct. We've seen some -- with the growing short in California, particularly the Los Angeles area, we're seeing refiners in that Mid-Continent kind of West Texas and into the Mid-Continent, find ways to move product towards markets that have historically been supplied by California refineries. We see that as constructive for Commerce City margins over time as that -- as those -- as those opportunities present themselves. We've also started our own ability to move product out of the region. We started rail loading gasoline, and we can move that to other markets outside. And with that, we're seeing -- Rich mentioned, we've seen Commerce City turnaround performance. The first couple of years was really focused on safety and reliability and had to get that right. And then in recent months, we've been focused on profitability and pleased to say we set a record all-time rate at Commerce City back in June, and we think we'll beat that again in July. So Commerce City is looking like a pretty good asset at the moment.

[Operator Instructions] And that will come from the line of Manav Gupta with UBS.