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X-FAB Silicon Foundries SE (XFAB) Earnings Call Transcript

October 29, 2026

ENXTPA FR Information Technology Semiconductors and Semiconductor Equipment earnings 53 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the X-FAB Third Quarter 2026 Results Conference Call. The speakers today will be Damien Macq, CEO; and Alba Morganti, CFO. [Operator Instructions] I will hand the conference over to Damien Macq, CEO. The floor is yours. Please go ahead.

Damien Macq executive
#2

Thank you, operator. Ladies and gentlemen, good morning, good afternoon. The third quarter provides further evidence of the recovery we started to see earlier by the end of the last quarter is gradually taking shape. Revenue amounted to $194.4 million. Excluding the impact of revenue recognized over time under IFRS-15 Revenue reached USD 200.7 million, up 2% sequentially and within our guidance of $195 million to $205 million. More importantly, bookings increased 30% quarter-over-quarter and 38% year-on-year to $224.7 million. The highest level -- this resulted in a book-to-bill ratio of 1.12 and brought our quarter end backlog to USD 313.6 million. Our core automotive, industrial and medical markets generated $187.8 million in revenue, representing 94% of our total revenue, excluding IFRS-15. Automotive revenue return returned to sequential growth, increasing 3% to $119.1 million. Even more encouragingly, automotive booking increased significantly as the inventory correction that affected auto no longer weighted on demand. This is an important indication that conditions in our largest end markets are progressively normalizing. Industrial revenue increased 10% sequentially to USD 49.6 million, supported in particular by the strong development of silicon carbide. Key customer reported as well gains on the robotic markets. Medical revenue amounted to USD 19.1 million in the third quarter. While this was 9% below the previous quarter, underlying demand remains strong in ultrasound and pacemaker applications, partly offset by lower demand from a major customer lab-on-a-chip device and for temperature sensors. Looking beyond the quarter, the medical pipeline remains promising. During Q3, we secured important design wins for a silicon photomultiplier used in medical scanning as well as for handled ultrasound application further strengthening our position in this attractive market. Together, the improving order situation in automotive, the sequential growth in industrial and the opportunity developing in medical reinforce our confidence in a gradual recovery. Capacity utilization across our manufacturing network is also increasing [indiscernible] prerequisite for converting higher demand into improved operational performance. At the same time, we are seeing encouraging evidence that the growth opportunity we have been developing beyond our traditional markets are starting to materialize. In our Smart CMOS & SOI business, strong demand for battery management system and AI data center test application supported production ramps during the quarter. We also secured an important design win for an activator used in optical circuit switches for data center. Our CMOS business -- sensor business is gaining momentum as well with customers looking for alternative supply sources. All these developments illustrate how its core competence in analog and mid-single semiconductor manufacturing are opening additional opportunities in medical and data center application. [indiscernible]. Revenue reached USD 16.2 million, increasing 68% year-on-year. Silicon carbide accounted for most of this business with its fab recording an all-time high number of silicon carbide wafers sold during the quarter, up 45% year-on-year. At the same time, our gallium nitride activity continued to gain momentum with a new number of gallium customers doubling from 6 to 12 over the past year. This development demonstrates the growing contribution of Wide-bandgap technologies to its diversification strategy. Microsystems & Photonics represents another important growth pillar. Microsystems & Photonics revenue amounted to USD 25.9 million in the quarter. Demand for MEMS sensor was particularly strong, especially from China. We also installed a pilot line for an industrial inkjet printing application based on [indiscernible] material further broadening the range of applications that can be industrialized in our manufacturing platform. In Photonics, we are seeing an important transition from technology development towards commercial engagement. Our heterogenous integration technology for integrating light source is generating strong customer interest and photonic prototyping revenue is growing. Paid engineering activity is increasing as well with photonic NRE expected to grow by approximately 40% year-over-year. Customer engagement are developing in areas such as light source integration and optical interconnect for data communication and AI infrastructure. This is an important development for X-FAB, the technology and capability we have built over the recent years are increasingly translating into concrete customer projects. We are supporting this opportunity with the right industrial platform. Construction of [indiscernible] has started, further expanding our capability in micro system and related technologies. At the same time, the transformation of our existing manufacturing footprint in [indiscernible] continues according to the plan. The end of line activity for Side B in [indiscernible] are executed in a controlled manner with completion currently targeted around the end of the first quarter 2027. This development are 2 sides of the transformation -- these developments are 2 sides of the same transformation. While we are progressively phasing out an older manufacturing footprint, we are simultaneous creating the foundation for the future of [indiscernible]. This transformation will further strengthen the sites focus on differentiated technologies and applications and reinforms its long-term role within IFA global manufacturing network. I will now pass the word to Alba, our CFO, to give you more update on the financials.

Alba Morganti executive
#3

Thank you, Damien. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Let me now take you through our financial performance for the third quarter. In the third quarter, our revenue and EBITDA margin landed within our guidance and our profitability improved sequentially. The stronger bookings also support our expectation of a gradual recovery. However, we remain focused on our financial discipline. Our EBITDA reached $37.5 million, which shows an increase of 12% compared to the second quarter. Our EBITDA margin was 19.3% compared to 16.8% in the second quarter. If we exclude the IFRS-15 impact, the margin was still within our guidance of 17% to 20%. Operating profit was $4.3 million compared to the $2.1 million realized in Q2. Our financial focus remains on translating higher activity into stronger profitability, while maintaining cost controls over cost. Our CapEx totalized almost $32 million in the third quarter. We also received the first funding payment under the European Chip Act for our new microsystem fab [indiscernible]. If we deduct this funding, the net CapEx is a bit less than $30 million. Our priority remains to balance investment in future capabilities with disciplined capital allocation and liquidity management. At third -- at quarter end, cash and cash equivalent stood at $196 million, representing an increase of $32.5 million compared to the previous quarter. Cash generation, working capital management and investment discipline remains central financial priorities for us. And now let's have a look at our fourth quarter outlook. Looking ahead, we expect our fourth quarter revenue to come in between $205 million and $215 million, with an EBITDA margin of 19% to 22%. As in the previous quarter, this guidance excludes the impact of IFRS-15 revenue recognition over time and assumes an average exchange rate of USD 1.14 per euro. The guidance point to further sequential improvement supported by the stronger order intake and increasing capacity utilization. And to conclude, I would like to highlight that our third quarter performance confirms the business recovery. But nevertheless, our financial priorities remain to convert order momentum into profitable revenue, maintain investment discipline and strengthen our cash position. And now I will pass the word back to Damien.

Damien Macq executive
#4

Thank you, Alba. Overall, we are entering in the final quarter of 2026 with increasing confidence while remaining focused on execution. Our core markets are recovering, bookings are at the highest level in 2 years -- in the past 2 years, factory utilization is improving and new opportunities in medical, data center, Wide-bandgap technologies, Microsystems & Photonics are progressively moving from development towards business. Over the last several years, we deliberately invested in differentiated technologies, capabilities and capacity also through the long term. At the same time, we continue to adapt our manufacturing footprint to support its fabs further grow. Our priority is now clear, execute this transformation successfully, convert the recovery and our growing opportunity pipeline into production, increased utilization of our manufacturing assets and translate this into sustainable and profitable growth. The third quarter represents another important step in that direction. And with this, I wanted to thank you for listening and open the floor for questions. Thank you all.

Operator operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] The first question is coming from Aleksander Peterc from Bernstein.

Aleksander Peterc analyst
#6

First of all, can you tell us a little bit more about the backlog that continues to increase nicely. You have a good book-to-bill. Is this feeding predominantly stronger growth into next year? Or is it going to be largely consumed already in the third -- in the final quarter of the year, where is this going? And I also know that you have a nice inflection in prototyping in most businesses, is this also an indication of activity into next year? And then I have a small follow-up.

Damien Macq executive
#7

All right. So regarding the backlog, yes, we got a solid backlog ahead. Typically, the backlog that is created is now lasting for 3 to 5 months typically, our cycle time remain under control, which means that most of our customers are ordering as late as they can. And so our visibility in the backlog for the full year 2027 is only going for us towards Q4 and partly in Q1. But all in all, if you look at the backlog combined with the forecast, we see a nice trend coming in our way at this point. So that is confirmed by the number that Alba just guided and how this evolves into Q1 is something that we will expose later on, but it's not a one shot. We see a trend. Regarding the prototyping, I'm not sure I got completely the question. So we see on the prototyping some evolution that is a bit flattish in the sense that if you compare our prototyping revenue over the past few quarters, you can observe a kind of stabilization around a lower level versus what we used to have in '23 and '22. Now remember, the prototyping numbers that we provided back during these years included also some of the some of the revenue related to ramp-up of products in preproduction. So the NRE revenue curve that you see that is reported in our data includes this overshoot for the year '23 -- '22 to '24, let's say. What we see, and that's not visible in the data that we provide, we are evaluating also the underneath evolution of our CMOS & SOI and we see some trends towards an increased number of tape-outs and also an increased number of value for tape-outs. So far, we do not publish that. We want to consolidate it and build a solid history. But as soon as we have a bit more information about that, we will also share it with you. I hope that answered your question, Alex.

Aleksander Peterc analyst
#8

Yes, yes. Just a quick follow-up on the wide-bandgap, could you tell us what is the breakdown between your data center customers and automotive customers in silicon carbide?

Damien Macq executive
#9

Compared to Q2, it's not changed drastically. So we still see 50 -- close to 50% in what we call industry and within industrial data center some volatility in automotive. So we have a customer in China generating a bit of volatility in our numbers. but we see very solid growth in the data center area. So that's -- moving forward, we anticipate to see continuous growth in data center. It's really quite impressive what some customers are achieving there. And from interaction with them, we see also a solid forecast coming in our way for 2027. Automotive, we will have to see how this business continue to evolve over the next quarter.

Operator operator
#10

The next question is coming from Emmanuel Matot from ODDO BHF.

Emmanuel Matot analyst
#11

First, in automotive, do you now have enough visibility to call a sustainable recovery than just inventory normalization? Second, still in automotive, there any areas where fab has lost content or market shares during the previous negative cycle [indiscernible] that lasted 2 years. And do you see more competition from China for some specific key products [indiscernible]. And my last question, could you please let us know the total amount of LTA advanced payments that you still need to reform to your customers at the end of September?

Damien Macq executive
#12

Thank you, Emmanuel. So in automotive, the visibility right now is good. If we talk to our customers, they come with a positive view on how automotive is evolving. Remember, we mentioned this inventory correction. We believe it's behind us now. We believe we will now see the basic growth that we anticipate in automotive that is linked to electrification, that is linked to customization and also the upgrading of electric functions through the segment in automotive. So even with a constant number of cars being sold in the world. The number of chips sold [indiscernible] are expected to continue to increase and we believe this increase is what we will continue to see. The visibility in terms of numbers is low for the reason I mentioned earlier we have now customers ordering late. We have optimized cycle time. And so I think that's a good and healthy for the business overall. But unlike the times like 2, 3 years ago where the fab were very, very loaded and where our cycle time was extremely long. The visibility has reduced from that effect. But from indications that we have from customers, we get a positive view on the evolution for the technologies that we are deploying in automotive. If you look at the second question regarding the business that we might have lost, it's difficult to answer to that question. We see some customers telling us that they see renewed interest from the fact that we have capacity available. And so this year renewed interest from Tier 1s. This renewed interest [indiscernible] for the technologies of fab. I must also say that over the past 3 years, a tremendous effort has been made in improving our overall quality and operational efficiency in a general sense. And that is also helping our customers and their business. Regarding competition from China, we see some customers, some Chinese customers ordering at [indiscernible]. So I mentioned the BMS opportunity that is coming directly from China, for example, but also some of the MEMS and there, we see a strong demand. We know that competition will arrive and is preparing also some products on their side. But at this point in time, we have not lost opportunity or we cannot -- I cannot report any big opportunity that we might have lost from competitors in China. On the contrary, we see a fabless in China coming to its fab because they face a challenging situation. All the fab in China are reporting a fully loaded situation. They are very actively deploying chips for AI and around AI and so I think also fabless in China are securing their supply chain by continuing to interact with us. So right now, this competition from China is not touching us. That's about your second question. And for the third question on LTE, I will let Alba answer.

Alba Morganti executive
#13

So at the end of Q3, our total balance, the residual amount due to customers under LTA prepayments was $173 million. So you can consider that by end up with another $20 million to be repaid within Q4.

Emmanuel Matot analyst
#14

And the [indiscernible] will be repaid next year.

Alba Morganti executive
#15

No. It's roughly $20 million per quarter. So it will take another -- it will take us to -- up to 2028, but the vast majority will be already repaid in the next year.

Damien Macq executive
#16

We should be halfway end of the year. That's how you should look at [indiscernible].

Alba Morganti executive
#17

Yes, that's the message. End of '26, we should be around 50% repayment done in total.

Operator operator
#18

The next question is coming from Robert Sanders from Deutsche Bank.

Robert Sanders analyst
#19

I have a few questions. Yes, first question would just be around your bookings. Could you sort of estimate what bookings -- what percentage of your bookings are data center related? And I have a follow-up.

Damien Macq executive
#20

That's a good question. I would not be able to provide you the number. I think if you look at the booking right now, the majority of the data center booking is still on silicon carbide. But as I mentioned, we have also some some peripheral activities in the CMOS for pre-drivers and also, yes, for the the chips that are involved with the comparative monitoring and temperature management of data center. So based on motor drivers, either find drivers or cooling drivers for liquid cooling of data center. So we know about the application, but basically the same product or similar products are sold either in automotive or into data centers. So it's a bit difficult to get the exact value that would go directly into the data center.

Robert Sanders analyst
#21

Got it. And can you talk a bit about the situation in the industry in terms of capacity allocation challenges, some nodes being full, IDM shutting down 200-millimeter, TSMC and Samsung cutting wafers to too, western companies. How is that affecting you? And where are you seeing the demand by node?

Damien Macq executive
#22

It is somehow helping us. I was mentioning to some extent, we invested probably at a good time. So right now, there are not so many factories who are claiming to have capacity. And I think it's very, very challenging for foundries today to create capacity because we see the price and the lead time for equipment increasing also the effort that are made by mega factory in Texas that is very well known, seem to absorb a lot of the bandwidth of -- and a lot of the orders of tooling for equipment suppliers. So there is some challenge for factories right now to increase their capacity. So from that perspective, we have a good position and the consequence of that is that, yes, we see new customers coming in our way to look at our technology to support their supply -- to expand, in fact, their supply chain. So some customers who used to work exclusively with Taiwanese factories start to talk to us, and we are well engaged on some design wins with some of them. I cannot be specific about that. But all in all, it's really helping us. We see also some customers starting to request a new type of LTAs with us. So that's also somehow an indication that there are some challenge on the supply side. And I think from our knowledge of what's happening in Asia, I mentioned to our knowledge, most of the factories in China involved with -- also involved with mature nodes are fully loaded. They created for some capacity in 300 millimeter, but they are loaded. And the problem is aggravated, as you mentioned, by TSMC, they closed 2 factories already announced last year in [indiscernible] they transformed them into factories capable to support the packaging and assembly for data center. And likewise, Samsung also closed one factory. That's -- these are the things that we know about. And this is helping because some customers come to us for their new developments. But this is also helping our customers because they start to see that they are regaining some designs because some of their competitors are unable to supply or have challenged ahead to supply these customers. So all in all, I think we are in a good position from that perspective.

Robert Sanders analyst
#23

Sorry, just to be clear, the mega factory in [indiscernible], you're talking about [indiscernible]? I mean, surely, those would be buying [indiscernible] not mature tools because I have not...

Damien Macq executive
#24

They don't buy, of course, mature tool. They buy advanced tools. But from time to time, we need also -- we don't need advanced litho in our fabs. But when it comes about ordering to the same suppliers, talk about [indiscernible] and others. I mean all these guys, they see big orders coming in their way for the upcoming factory and the mega factory is one of them. And this is creating tension on the equipment supply. So the impact, what we see is that the -- we anticipate that the lead time for equipment will increase.

Robert Sanders analyst
#25

So given you're one of the few people to have spare capacity, how quickly could you fill your fab?

Damien Macq executive
#26

That's a good question. Overall, if you look at the fab filling, it depends if it is about customers who have existing product and they gain market share with their existing products. This goes extremely fast. So there, we can see demand raising. And we believe this demand raising is a combination of our customers gaining certain market share plus the fact that the intrinsic business in automotive, for example, keeps increasing. So there is this effect that plays also in our favor that comes quick. When we talk about customers that are developing new product with us or considering to use its fab for the next generation that takes much more time. So it's there is no simple answer to your question. On our side, what we are doing, you remember maybe in the previous call, we were mentioning that we were doing active management of our capacity to adjust the capacity to the demand. We are now in the process of reopening our dynamic capacity to be able to support this upcoming business.

Robert Sanders analyst
#27

So the thing to track from here will be, you can potentially get line of sight to the 1.05 goal if you get to full loading but the thing to track here is your depreciation, right, because there's a lot of tools that you've already bought that are sort of not kind of switched on right now. So the depreciation will presume go up as you activate spare capacity? And that's it for me.

Damien Macq executive
#28

Yes. I will not comment on -- numerically, I will not give numbers on this, but yes, we have pushed out the depreciation of tools in -- mostly in [indiscernible]. But in the second half of this year, this will be fully done. So most of the depreciation of our factories that is linked to the $1 billion investment we did over the past 3 years will start to be depreciating by the end of this year. So this is the tool, in fact, what we do typically is that we validate that the tool and some basic recipes are working on it, and so we can quickly activate these tools. So this is not slowing down or refraining any issue there.

Operator operator
#29

The next question is coming from Ruben Devos from Kepler Cheuvreux.

Ruben Devos analyst
#30

Just maybe not thinking maybe mid to long term, but right, but next year, would love to have a bit more sense where you could end there? I mean $220 million of bookings, you talked about a good trend, not a onetime thing. What you've been characterizing throughout the call, sounds like book-to-bill will remain above 1%. So $220 million annualized could be [ 880 ], right? Is that -- is that wrong to have that in our models, high 800, something like that? And I guess, I mean, you talked about visibility 3 to 5 months, right? So typically, you know more in Q4 and Q1. But what are maybe the drivers you have most visibility on today?

Damien Macq executive
#31

Yes, I think your calculation is correct. That's on the [indiscernible] right now, we are -- we would not guide for 2028. But indication, I think all your statements are sensible. You have to take into consideration also that next year, we will execute the end of life. So the end of life of the business in Site B will be completed around March, April. So we still see orders coming in our way. So the exact date of closing this site is still around this end of Q1, early Q2. And so this last time buy will reduce the overall revenue in the range of $50 million for 2027. So you can assume on a yearly basis that we run around $80 million in Site B that we are closing in April let's say, March, April. That's one nuance on your numbers. And for the rest, how the year will evolve, I think that's going to be disclosed in -- once we get a bit more visibility during the Q4 results.

Ruben Devos analyst
#32

Okay. That was 5-0 or 50?

Damien Macq executive
#33

50. Sorry, it's 50 and on a yearly basis, it's $80 million. That's what's the business that is coming out of Site B. [indiscernible]

Ruben Devos analyst
#34

Okay. And then maybe if I just think about your Q4 guidance, right, first like the midpoint sort of suggesting you could have $9 million more sales and a $6 million more EBITDA. So it's just about 60% drop-through. Is that sort of the number we could be looking for going forward, like you've also had a cost program, I think that's ramping up, right? Not much higher depreciation to expect. So yes, that drop-through rate, is that something we can work with? .

Alba Morganti executive
#35

In terms of what -- which rate? EBITDA margin, you mean?

Ruben Devos analyst
#36

Yes. EBITDA.

Damien Macq executive
#37

I think it's reasonable. Of course, we have different effects. We still have. So our cost optimization -- a big portion of the cost optimization comes from managing the headcount. So we have some reduction on the headcount over the year. And this reduction of the headcount in 2026 calls also for some severance, okay, I was looking for the word, severance payments that are impacting 2026. So that plays on the cost saving. And regarding the depreciation, keep in mind the depreciation for the site in [indiscernible] will be full in Q4. So we can see, yes, if it is end of Q4 or beginning of Q4, maybe that also can [indiscernible]. But I think the overall model is reasonable.

Ruben Devos analyst
#38

Okay. And then just a final one on the design win for an actuator in the optical circuit switches. Can you maybe say a bit more about what you're actually making there? Is it a sole source position? Or are you qualifying as a second source next to an existing supplier?

Damien Macq executive
#39

Yes. I think it's a technology that is used in the architecture of Google. So it's not that we -- it's a Google alike type of switching on the backside of the GPUs, which is all optical based on MEMS mirrors. And so our chip is capable to drive the high voltage that is required to drive this MEMS device. So they rely on the SOI capability, and our opportunity to drive relatively high voltage there. So that's the opportunity. That's what I can say about this opportunity. Now we see multiple interests coming for this type of capability, not only from one customer, we talk to multiple customers about this one.

Ruben Devos analyst
#40

Okay. And the production volumes for the one you've won, when will that...

Damien Macq executive
#41

Yes. It's too early to talk about volume. We are in a design win phase. So volume will be 2, 3 years from now, but this type of architecture is quite attractive, I think, overall. So I don't want to talk about volume because if I [indiscernible] the volume that I get from the different customers there, I get quite impressive numbers. So I think as soon as we see how the things are coming across, we are not the sole source for this type of technology. But as soon as we see are the volume ramp up, we will be able to disclose this. Also what you see as an effect is that multiple customers go probably for a similar opportunity. So it's difficult to sort out what exact volume will get there. But it looks like all the numbers that we look at are big.

Operator operator
#42

The next question is coming from Luke [indiscernible]

Unknown Analyst analyst
#43

First of all, we see after a long time, indeed some encouraging improvement. So that is very pleasant scene. But my question is, could you highlight a little bit more on the cost savings, which were program actually for the fourth quarter, which was announced in the first and second quarter?

Alba Morganti executive
#44

Yes. So the cost savings were, as Damien mentioned, the main driver came from the headcount reduction that we started in several months ago already and we continue to go ahead with. So we are in hiring freeze. We make quite some evaluations on the team. We do -- we encourage also some pre-departures. As mentioned by Damien, we paid also some severances to some of the people. And all this -- the cost savings per se are not always visible immediately because sometimes you have to to pay the severance, which is an additional cost and the savings will be seen a bit later. But on and on, we are on track with all the measures. We also -- before in the first quarter, we also [indiscernible] tools. So we put them then down, if not needed. We try to optimize our ballpark of tools. We also pushed out some CapEx that were not absolutely needed. And this kind of normal measures that are quite classical, I would say, but the conclusion is we are on track.

Damien Macq executive
#45

To complement what Alba says, so as you realize the visibility on the saving will come more next year once the severance will be fully paid and the people will be of the payroll I want to highlight also on the tools. So there is the standby of tools that is helping as long as we don't need that tool. But what we have done also, and that's a bit more difficult to quantify overall. What we are doing is also to make sure that we concentrate the activity and we qualify the most modern tool. And so overall, if you look at our [indiscernible] of tools, we are also removing older tools from our factories. By the way, we managed to sell these tools because the market for tools is now attractive again. And so we now are considering selling older tools to certain factory also in Asia. But this impact of running our production on more modern tool will also have -- will also be positive on the cost side because the same tool is using a much more -- is providing much more performance and so much, much less -- much less chemicals, electricity and more efficiency per operator for the same tool. So this is also going to help.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#46

And then actually, we need to see and now coming through the new orders through the full [indiscernible] and also to see it at the bottom line.

Damien Macq executive
#47

Yes. Absolutely. So from our side, as I mentioned, it's -- the -- I don't want to say the challenge because that's our job, but the challenges execution of the tools that we have and making sure that we ramp up orderly to secure the demand that is coming from our customers.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#48

At least the information today is very positive and very encouraging.

Operator operator
#49

There are no more oral questions at this time, so I hand the conference back to the speakers.

Damien Macq executive
#50

Yes. We got offline also 3 questions that we might address. There was a question about booking and utilization. How much of the booking surge is real end demand versus customers rebuilding inventory or pulling in orders and how much of the Q4 guide is already covered by backlog? So that was one question from [indiscernible] from KBC. What I can say is that how much of the bookings serves is real demand and demand versus customary building inventory. To our knowledge, we do not have -- we do not see a clear indication of customer rebuilding inventory. I think they are just inventory to the demand. But I cannot provide a quantified numbers of what is the truly end demand versus active inventory management. How much of the Q4 guide is already covered by backlog? In fact, if you look at our forecast for Q4, we are already in the backlog. I think, I'm checking the numbers, yes. If you look at the Q4 guidance, we have almost the guidance almost fully covered by backlog. So if you look at our [indiscernible] back, we are within -- or even on the upper side of the guidance. So at the end of the day, it's all about execution for Q4. There was a second question about automotive. So automotive is still down 90% year-over-year at 119, even though inventory correction no longer weighted on booking, when do you expect automotive revenue to turn positive year-over-year? And what is the lag between booking and revenue in this segment? So the lag between booking and revenue is typically 3 to 5 months, let's say, 4 months average. And when do you expect automotive revenue to turn positive year-over-year? Indications are there for 2027 that we should see some good numbers coming in our way in automotive. So right now, we see strong orders also in automotive. Maybe one nuance on this is that, at this moment, we are combining in automotive products that seem also to be going directly into robotics -- into the [indiscernible] robots. To give you an example, a motor driver chip that is typically used for air conditioning management in a car, but also for temperature thermal management of the car. Some of these embedded motor find also applications in robots. The same apply for position sensors. They might find also application in robots. So at this moment, we combine in automotive, the demand coming from our largest customer, [indiscernible], for example, and they report a good demand from robotics. So there we need to work it out also with our customers to figure out what is really automotive, and what is robotics. I want to highlight also on robotics, we have other historical customers of X-FAB who are also reporting very strong demand in robotics. So that's an exercise that we need to do by ourselves to sort out from automotive, what could be going into robotics because the growth there seems to be quite significant. And then there was a question about margin and CapEx. Q4 EBITDA margin guidance of 19% to 22% is only a modest step-up, while EBIT is just $4.3 million and net debt is [indiscernible]. What utilization level is needed to bring EBIT margin back to mid-single digit or better? And what is the CapEx outlook for 2027 at the pace of Chip Act Funding? So I mean, these are good questions. Overall, if you look at the utilization that is required, we do believe that to be around the 25-ish percent EBITDA, we would need probably a loading in the range of 75%. That's what our model shows. But we need to be extremely cautious in the sense that this model are assuming a certain mix of product. And what we observe is that now our mix of product is transforming quite a bit with the rapid growth that we see in wideband gap, for example. and also anticipated things that will come from a new market like GaN and robotics and photonic forest sorry, by 2028. So that's what we could say about EBITDA in the 25% range. I think EBIT to mid-single digit or better, we can come back on this later on. I don't know if we want to to be too specific about this because for the reason I just mentioned about variation of the mix. And then what is the CapEx outlook for '27 and the pace of the Chip Act funding? So CapEx outlook, I think Alba mentioned that we are -- we want to stay in the 10% to 15% of revenue with our CapEx. And we are considering the net CapEx, which means we will always report the CapEx minus the Chip Act funding. The Chip Act funding is a range of 30% of our investment. So that's what you can use in your estimates. I think these were 3 offline questions, I'm sorry for -- I hope I covered that properly. Otherwise, we can have follow-up discussions on the topics. All right. Then with this, I want to thank everyone for listening to our call this evening. And I want to highlight our next appointment for the Q4 and full year results that will be on February 11, 2027. And I wish everyone a great day or great end of the day. And thank you all. Bye-bye.

Alba Morganti executive
#51

Goodbye. Thank you.

Operator operator
#52

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