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Exchange Income Corporation (EIF) Earnings Call Transcript

February 25, 2026

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Industrials Passenger Airlines earnings 76 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator operator
#1

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the conference call held by Exchange Income Corporation to go over the financial results for the 3 and 12 months that ended December 31, 2025. The corporation's results, which include the MD&A and the financial statements, came out on February 24, 2026, and right now you can access them through the company's website or SEDAR+. Before we hand the call to management, listeners should be aware that today's presentation as well as the answers to questions might include forward-looking statements as defined by the safe harbor provisions of Canadian provincial securities laws. Such forward-looking statements carry risks and uncertainties, and you should not place undue reliance on them. Certain material factors or assumptions get applied when forward-looking statements are made, and actual results could differ materially from what those statements express or imply. For more information on factors that might cause actual results to differ materially from expectations, and on the material factors or assumptions applied in making forward-looking statements, please consult the quarterly and annual MD&A, the risk factor section of the annual information form, and EIC's other filings with Canadian securities regulators. Except where Canadian securities law requires it, EIC does not undertake to update any forward-looking statements. These statements speak only as of the date made.

Operator operator
#2

Just a reminder to those listening that this call is being recorded and streamed live over the web for the benefit of individual shareholders, analysts, and other interested parties. At this point, I'd like to hand things over to Exchange Income Corporation's CEO, Mike Pyle. Go ahead, Mr. Pyle.

Mike Pyle executive
#3

Thanks, operator. Good morning, and I appreciate everyone being with us on today's call. Joining me are Richard Wowryk, our CFO, who will walk through our financial results, plus Jake Trainor and Travis Muhr, who will cover our outlook in more detail. We released our year-end results for 2025 yesterday. If I had to sum up our annual performance in two words, it would be incredibly strong. Our results set historical records for revenues, adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow, free cash flow less maintenance capital expenditures, net earnings, and adjusted net earnings — both in absolute terms and, more importantly, on a per share basis. We also finished the year with no convertible debt on our balance sheet. We made a strategic decision to simplify our financial structure, and we were able to redeem all outstanding convertible debentures during the year, with the vast majority of those convertible debentures converted into equity, which brought us to our lowest leverage levels in 15 years. Achieving per share records and a delevered balance sheet in the same year is a difficult task. We're proud of this accomplishment. On top of that, last week we announced an investment grade credit rating. That's an impressive achievement, as it represents confirmation by DBRS of the stability and the diversity of our business.

Mike Pyle executive
#4

We can now issue long-term fixed-rate bonds as one layer of our capital structure, and that gives us a more permanent source of fixed-rate financing, generally at tighter interest rate spreads. Still, let me be completely clear: our conservative stance on leverage is unchanged. Instead, this is simply one more instrument that lets us use debt effectively as we keep growing EIC through acquisitions or growth capital expenditures. Looking back on 2025, we produced these record results in a year when global growth was muted because of mounting trade tensions and political uncertainty. Both Canada and the United States adjusted monetary policy to stimulate growth, since inflationary pressures had started to ease. Supply chains saw major disruptions from United States tariff actions, from international shipping delays tied to geopolitical events, and from several climate-related disruptions, among them significant wildfire activity in northern Manitoba and elsewhere. There were economic bright spots too, such as the surge in artificial intelligence investment, and companies with strong fundamentals and competitive moats demonstrated their worth. EIC stands as a shining example of how a diversified and resilient business can steer through uncertain periods and keep thriving. We delivered on our strategic initiatives, and our annual results are the proof in the pudding.

Mike Pyle executive
#5

Each of our segments posted a 20% rise in adjusted EBITDA, and that is what powered our overall results. At Aerospace & Aviation, the gain came mainly from the highly strategic acquisition of Canadian North on July the 1st. Canadian North has kept meeting our profitability expectations — in fact, it has surpassed them — and culturally it has fit really well alongside our other air operators. Maintenance capital expenditures in the first six months came in elevated. That said, we had expected it, since we anticipated higher maintenance capital expenditures during the first 12 months of ownership, followed by a return to normal maintenance CapEx down the road. The Aerospace & Aviation segment also benefited from strong yields in our passenger business, even with a temporary dip in revenue and margins during the second quarter caused by the significant wildfire season. We additionally saw overall strength in our rotary business through fire suppression work, together with continued strong performance in our medevac businesses as the scope of our contracts keeps expanding. Robust demand and rising rental rates for leased aircraft and engines continue in our aircraft sales and leasing business. Part sales and whole aircraft sales remain very strong, and demand for regional aircraft is robust as well.

Mike Pyle executive
#6

Finally, in our aerospace division, we felt the effect of another aircraft starting operations in the UK, and that produced robust Q4 improvements versus the prior-year comparison. We’re also still receiving many inquiries from a range of parties globally regarding our ISR expertise. Not long ago, Canada issued its Defence Industrial Strategy, and it lines up very well with what EIC and our aerospace business are doing. EIC has put forward a made-in-Canada answer for Arctic security and sovereignty, and that fits with this industrial strategy. Our made-in-Canada team covers several provinces and territories, with Indigenous partnerships already in place. We remain in active talks with a variety of leaders and decision-makers, and we’re hopeful our proposal will succeed. I’d also like to give an update on where the Australia ISR bid stands. We extended our bid a second time recently, to early April, since technically the bid would have lapsed this month. We still believe we submitted a very strong bid, and we’re waiting for the Australian government to complete its analysis and reach a conclusion. Our Manufacturing segment delivered strong fourth-quarter results from both a revenue and a profitability standpoint. Our Environmental Access Solutions business finished the year strongly, with mat rentals and sales driving the results in Canada.

Mike Pyle executive
#7

Canada likewise holds solid expansion potential later in '26, since sizable linear projects are expected to require matting solutions. In our US composite matting operation, customer response to the System 7 XT mat remains positive. Throughout due diligence, the testing and capabilities impressed us greatly. Even so, actual field results have surpassed even those lofty expectations. Given considerable demand indicators and the broader composite matting operation capturing additional share from the conventional wood mat segment in the US, we announced a state-of-the-art facility in the Southeast US. I'm happy to report that construction will take place in Saltillo, Mississippi, and we expect the plant to be running in the mid to later portion of 2027, allowing us to deliver on our strategic goals for the North America-wide matting operation. Our Multi-Storey Window Solutions operation saw a somewhat stronger quoting season and secured some sizable projects across various jurisdictions in the US and Western Canada. Nevertheless, 2025 stayed a challenging year. As we expected and previously disclosed, the diminished profitability stemmed from competitive pressures and weaker bookings in earlier years. Still, the team advanced on cutting our overhead and merging the business's physical footprints, which will benefit us going forward.

Mike Pyle executive
#8

We'll keep holding on to our skilled team as well. Once the business recovers, we'll be positioned to take advantage and serve the pent-up need that exists for affordable housing. Our Precision Manufacturing & Engineering business line posted a strong fourth quarter, since we keep seeing encouraging demand signals across many underlying businesses. Business sentiment keeps getting better. We see that our customers have come to accept a certain level of uncertainty as the new normal, and they've been issuing purchase orders, which produced greater sales activity in the back half of 2025 and drove strong results for the fourth quarter. Rich will go through the key metrics for both the 3 months and the full year ended December 31st, but before I hand the call over, I wanted to discuss the recent recognition of our business model in our share price. Over the course of the year, our market capitalization has risen substantially, and today it stands at well over $5.5 billion. Market cap and the underlying results are lagging indicators of the sustainable, resilient business model that we have built. We have a fantastic foundation of underlying subsidiaries, with cultures and people that helped achieve these results. Our business model and principles have stayed the same for more than 20 years.

Mike Pyle executive
#9

We believe we’re positioned for a faster growth trajectory ahead, and our head office and management teams are incredibly enthusiastic. Jake and Travis will cover the segment outlook for 2026. But before I hand the call over, I wanted to discuss our 2026 guidance. Although the guidance range we issued at the end of Q3 remains unchanged, we’ve announced two contracts since that prior guidance came out — the Air Canada commercial agreement and the acquisition of Mach 2. Both benefit our shareholders, so we’ve updated our guidance by communicating that we have a bias toward the middle-to-upper portion of the $825 to $875 million guidance range. I’ll now turn the call over to Rich.

Richard Wowryk executive
#10

Thanks, Mike, and good morning to everyone. Turning to the fourth quarter, revenue came in at $930 million, adjusted EBITDA reached $216 million, free cash flow totaled $165 million, free cash flow less maintenance CapEx was $68 million, and adjusted net earnings and net earnings stood at $58 million and $52 million, respectively. Earnings per share and adjusted earnings per share were 94 cents and $1.06, respectively, marking rises of 62% and 33% versus the prior period. Free cash flow per share grew 30% to $3, while free cash flow less maintenance CapEx climbed 38% to $1.24. Those per-share gains were remarkable given that weighted average shares outstanding rose 14% in the fourth quarter compared with the prior period, reflecting conversion of convertible debentures during the year and shares issued from our acquisitions. Every key performance indicator set a fourth quarter high-water mark. Both segments drove these results, with period-over-period adjusted EBITDA increases of 27% and 38% for our A&A and Manufacturing segments, respectively. The Aerospace & Aviation results reflected strong profitability across each of the business lines, thanks to the acquisition of Canadian North, strong load factors at our various air operators, strong demand for leases and parts at our aircraft sales and leasing business line, and the commencement of operations for the second aircraft for the UK Home Office in aerospace, together with higher tempo flying under various contracts.

Richard Wowryk executive
#11

Profitability in the manufacturing segment came from solid rental and mat sales in our Canadian Environmental Access Solutions operations, plus sustained strong demand for composite matting solutions in the US operations. Finally, Precision Manufacturing & Engineering posted a robust fourth quarter, powered by underlying strength in telecommunications, data center, and hydronic heating solutions sales. Work has begun on a second state-of-the-art manufacturing facility for our US composite matting business. Growth capital expenditures of roughly $4 million were made in 2025, and we expect production to begin in mid to late 2027. The estimated cost of the new facility is up to $60 million US dollars, and the expected returns are well above our required return threshold. We are seeing substantial demand for our System 7 XT mat, and we also note that composite mats taking market share from traditional wooden mats in the US is generating excitement within our management team. Maintenance capital expenditures in the fourth quarter of 2025 were $97 million and came in higher than the comparative period because of the acquisition of Canadian North and the timing of maintenance events in the Aerospace & Aviation segment. Growth capital expenditures during Q4 were $134 million and were mainly driven by acquisitions of engines and aircraft in our aircraft sales and leasing business line to grow their leasing portfolio, together with King Air aircraft deliveries for the BC Medevac contract in our Essential Air Services business line.

Richard Wowryk executive
#12

Looking at cash flow and working capital, we finished the year strongly: our net investment in working capital went down, and that gave a boost to cash flow from operations, thanks to what our subsidiary management did. Last year we pointed out that some government receivables had lagged behind historical collection patterns in an unusual way, and those got resolved during 2025. On top of that, because output came down in our Multi-Storey Window Solutions business line, we were able to give back a meaningful amount of working capital over the year. Working capital is something we manage actively, and we collaborated with every subsidiary team to turn working capital from 2024 into cash, and the results across 2025 make us very happy. Aggregate leverage at the corporation sits at historic lows. Simplifying our capital structure was a goal of ours, and we accomplished it in 2025, which in hindsight was an incredible feat. Over 90% of the convertible debentures got converted into equity of the corporation. Looking at 2026 and beyond, preferred shares are the only dilutive instruments left on our balance sheet, and that will make our diluted EPS simpler. Following year-end, we announced that EIC has earned an investment grade credit rating — a BBB (low) rating with a stable outlook from DBRS.

Richard Wowryk executive
#13

When it comes to the credit rating, that gives us the ability to tap bond markets down the road and potentially use bonds as a fixed-rate, long-term financing tool. Given where rates stand today, doing so would lower interest costs as well. We closed fiscal 2025 with an overall leverage ratio of 2.73, the lowest level in roughly 15 years. That figure also excludes the pro forma effect of growth capital expenditures whose full-year return has not yet been fully reflected in our financial statements — the UK Home Office second aircraft is one such example. As we said before, a time lag exists between making those investments and when adjusted EBITDA rises. With more than $300 million of capital deployed by year-end, we expect meaningful returns in the years ahead, and those have been built into our 2026 guidance. Our M&A pipeline is still very strong. Adam and his team completed a strategic investment in the first quarter of 2026 with Mach 2. Diversifying our cash flows and creating another avenue for growth has always been something we wanted. We had evaluated a number of narrow-body and commercial businesses. However, none satisfied our stringent investment criteria when it came to their management teams, their niche focus, or financial metrics.

Richard Wowryk executive
#14

Luckily, we came across Mach 2, and it satisfied every one of those requirements. Regional One has established the data infrastructure and architecture needed to scale across additional aircraft types, and now, with the Canadian North 737 data plus the narrow-body and wide-body data from Mach 2, along with the experienced people at Mach 2, we can capture meaningful opportunities in that area. Mach 2 sits very close to our Regional One operation, and our Regional One leadership knew the management team there well. The 737 and narrow-body operation is the largest aircraft aftermarket parts and leasing business anywhere in the world, so we have a distinctive chance to apply our strengths and generate meaningful returns for that business line well into the future. Regarding other acquisition prospects, our pipeline contains opportunities across both segments, and they resemble our current businesses. We have an excellent base of businesses, and whenever we can identify ancillary opportunities that widen our competitive moats, we remain interested in those accretive possibilities. As a reminder about seasonality in our business, the first quarter is our slowest quarter seasonally, driven by winter roads and weather-related effects on our air operators, combined with softer demand in our Environmental Access Solutions business line, since the ground is frozen and does not need the same degree of matting protection.

Richard Wowryk executive
#15

The third quarter is the busiest one for our businesses, while the second and fourth tend to land near the average, giving an in-between outcome. Taken together, EIC treated 2025 as a foundational year. We streamlined the way our capital is structured and carried out every one of our strategic initiatives. Canadian North came on board through a highly strategic acquisition, and following year-end we announced Mach 2 along with our investment grade credit rating. Our balance sheet, we are confident, is positioned so we can pursue transactions down the road, and the groundwork has been set for growth that accelerates in the future. At this point I'll hand the call to Jake, who will give an update on the 2026 outlook for Aerospace & Aviation.

Jake Trainor executive
#16

Thanks, Rich. All in all, we anticipate fiscal '26 to be another year of robust expansion for our Aerospace & Aviation segment, since the patterns Mike and Rich pointed to should carry forward. Growth investments we made previously, along with the contract awards — the second aircraft for the UK Home Office, the Newfoundland and Labrador medevac contract beginning midway through 2026, and the enlarged Air Canada commercial agreement plus the additional routes we've been running — will each feed into higher revenues and profitabilities. I'll drill into the growth drivers specifically, business line by business line. Within our Essential Air Service business line, growth versus the prior period will come from a multitude of factors. The biggest effect stems from having Canadian North included for a full fiscal year. Further increases include the expansion and extension of the Air Canada commercial agreement, with aircraft beginning to fly midway through the year. We also expect load factors across our network to hold steady relative to 2025. Finally, we anticipate ongoing expansion in our medevac business, including the launch of the Newfoundland and Labrador medevac contract, expected to begin operations in mid-2026.

Jake Trainor executive
#17

Balancing part of those gains is the effect of ongoing labor shortages and supply chain difficulties. While these dynamics aren't getting worse, the difficulties persist—particularly regarding aircraft parts, consumables, and overall costs, all of which face considerable inflationary pressure. Growth is anticipated in the Aerospace business line thanks to strong flying tempos for our surveillance aircraft, with a second aircraft entering service for the UK Home Office, which will create year-on-year effects since that aircraft began operations only in the fourth quarter of 2025. Our aircraft sales and leasing business should also grow, as the investments made in aircraft and engines get leased to customers. A lag always exists between investment and cash flow generation. Because of that, aircraft must be readied and lease contracts executed. Regional One stays an opportunistic buyer, ready to complete transactions that are accretive to the portfolio. Demand for Regional One and Mach 2 continues to be robust, as shown by rising lease rates and shortages of critical parts throughout the industry, and we expect that trend to carry on in 2026. Over the long term, we expect maintenance capital expenditures to rise consistently alongside increases in adjusted EBITDA within our Aerospace & Aviation segment, which is the largest driver of our consolidated maintenance CapEx.

Jake Trainor executive
#18

We expect an increase over 2025, driven by Canadian North being included for the full year, along with more flying stemming from the aircraft investment we've made in recent years. On top of that, we keep putting money into deferred maintenance at Canadian North, and we expect that spending to carry on during the early portion of the year. Growth capital expenditures in 2025 include the three remaining new King Air aircraft for the BCEHS contract. Regional One is continually pursuing opportunistic aircraft and engine acquisitions, and those efforts could lead to growth investments in the aircraft and sales business lines. Before handing things over to Travis, there's another theme I've discussed at external events and conferences: EIC's exposure to defense and security, plus the dynamics at play in that industry. The Canadian Defence Industrial Strategy, released recently, is a clear and welcome call to action. When government concentrates on an outcome it needs — capability, readiness, availability, or serviceability — industry does what it does best: invest, integrate partners, manage risk, and deliver. We've proven that model around the world, and Canada is now rightly setting out to apply it here at home.

Jake Trainor executive
#19

Under that strategy, 10 sovereign capabilities were flagged as priorities, and a good number of them line up with what EIC does best. Among them are aerospace, digital systems, in-service support, specialized manufacturing, and training and simulation, plus others. What the Defence Industrial Strategy sets out matches what we've been hearing in our conversations with government officials across the past year. Clearly, EIC has defense and security connections through our aerospace work, including in-service support and our ISR operations. That said, we hold several further opportunities that may be less apparent. Our specialized manufacturing businesses already supply parts used in defense and space-related applications. A further key capability EIC can offer is our distinctive infrastructure in the north. We are the foremost experts in northern aviation and in operating within harsh Arctic climates. As personnel and goods move north to back expanded defense activities, that should serve as a favorable tailwind for our air operators. Lastly, EIC and its training capabilities, which include MFC Training and CTI, are able to help close training and development gaps. CARTNAV, PAL's mission system, possesses fully developed command-and-control digital system capabilities that are world-class and used by a number of countries globally for security purposes.

Jake Trainor executive
#20

I'll hand things over now to Travis, who will cover some of the remarks regarding the Manufacturing segment as well as a few of the additional opportunities in defense and security inside manufacturing.

Travis Muhr executive
#21

Thanks, Jake. Our Manufacturing segment is also uniquely positioned to deliver solutions for governments. As development proceeds in the north, transmission and distribution will need to be expanded, and there will be opportunities for long linear projects as resources are developed, which creates additional tailwinds for our Environmental Access Solutions business line. Several subsidiaries within our Precision Manufacturing & Engineering business line have positive exposure to defense and security. Our WesTower business has more than 35 years of experience installing towers and infrastructure in remote, demanding areas. There are numerous opportunities to install radar towers and other infrastructure across the north, and our scale, manufacturing capability, and industrial technology benefits experience give us unique capabilities. Ben Machine already supplies precision CNC machining and welding of high-precision, short-run critical components to defense and space companies throughout North America and around the world. Our hydronic heating company, Dryair, offers solutions for hydronic heating and hot water applications, which should also be critical in the north for concrete curing and heating alternatives. Looking at 2026 from a manufacturing standpoint, we expect materially consistent results overall compared with 2025 because of changes within our business lines, for two reasons.

Travis Muhr executive
#22

To start, we're seeing the business environment keep getting stronger for a lot of our Precision Manufacturing & Engineering subsidiaries, and the outlook is also positive for our Environmental Access Solutions business line. Across every business in our Manufacturing segment, customer inquiries were at a strong level in 2025, and that strength turned into sales when we look at the fourth quarter results for both Precision Manufacturing & Engineering and Environmental Access Solutions. Our Multi-Storey Windows business line is seeing a strong level of inquiries as well. Performance came in as expected in the fourth quarter, with declines period over period stemming from the type of projects, production gaps, and tariffs. Worth noting, the recent Supreme Court case on tariffs has no impact on that business line, since the main source of tariffs was the Section 232 tariffs on aluminum and steel, and those are still in place today. For 2026, that business line will keep being affected by project gaps and reduced margins, reflecting the demand environment in prior years' bookings driven by high interest rates and developer uncertainty. We are beginning to see some improvement across various regions in the US and Western Canada. Even so, developers are staying on the sideline because of excess supply of small condo units, particularly in Toronto, along with developer cost uncertainties.

Travis Muhr executive
#23

For our Environmental Access Solutions segment, we anticipate stronger returns than in fiscal 2025. Composite matting demand is still solid, and the facility keeps running at full capacity, in line with 2025. We expect our Canadian operations to be a key growth engine for this business, since we are beginning to see robust fourth-quarter results on both rentals and mat sales. In addition, we foresee long linear projects kicking off during the second half of 2026 in a number of industries, such as transmission and distribution, pipeline, and oil and gas. The business's longer-term outlook is still highly favorable, given that substantial transmission and distribution investments will be made throughout North America driven by rising electricity needs from households, vehicles, and, even more significantly, AI and data centers. The Government of Canada Major Projects Office is concentrating on strategic nation-building investments, which create meaningful tailwinds over the longer term. That should keep this business line strong through 2027 and beyond. For Precision Manufacturing & Engineering, revenue is expected to rise, yet because of shifts in project mix, profitability should be materially in line with 2025. The fourth quarter proved very strong for this business, thanks to product mix and deliveries of hydronic heating units that had been deferred from earlier in the year, and we keep seeing a healthy quoting environment across the various companies.

Travis Muhr executive
#24

This segment serves a wide range of markets, spanning defense as well as technology sectors that include data centers and telecom. We expect maintenance CapEx to come in a bit above last year's level, reflecting the timing of replacement work. Growth CapEx is also expected across every one of the business lines, though it should stay fairly in line with 2025 — except for Environmental Access Solutions, where growth capital will go toward the new state-of-the-art composite plant that Rich discussed, along with investments in the Canadian rental fleet given market dynamics and projects we anticipate. With that, I'll hand the call back to Mike.

Mike Pyle executive
#25

Thanks, Travis. 2025 and the strategic initiatives we've put in place have laid the groundwork for EIC going forward. It was a remarkable year for our business, with records set across every one of our key metrics. I have tremendous confidence in what lies ahead for our company. EIC sits at the crossroads of several critical themes and trends. We've stayed faithful to our principles, and the things that drove our success over the past 20 years plus will keep accelerating that success going forward. Thanks for spending time with us this morning, and at this point we'd like to take questions from the call. Operator?

Operator operator
#26

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we are now ready to start the question-and-answer portion of today's call. If you would like to pose a question, kindly press the star key and then the one key on your touch-tone telephone. If you need to withdraw your request, simply press the star key followed by the two key. In the event you are on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset prior to pressing any keys. To repeat, that is star one if you would like to ask a question. Our first question comes from Steve Hansen of Raymond James. Your line is now open.

Mike Pyle executive
#27

Morning to you, Steve.

Steve Hansen analyst
#28

Morning, everyone, and thanks for making room for me. My first question concerns the matting business. From what I’m hearing, it appears to have turned a corner compared with where it sat before. Given what you’ve said about restoring the fleet in Canada along with the growth CapEx, would it be reasonable to describe visibility as getting better as we move through the rest of the year and into ’27? I’m simply trying to confirm that we didn’t see a one-off or single-quarter bump in that business — or really, I’d just like to understand whether visibility has improved looking ahead. Thank you.

Mike Pyle executive
#29

Steve, that's a fair question. Two factors together explain the matting business and what we've said about it. Early in 2025 we ran into some unusual project delays — integrity digs in particular, plus certain pipeline work that we handle routinely each year but that didn't get finished earlier in the year. By Q4 we were back to a normal pace in that area. That drove part of the improvement this quarter and should carry us into the start of next year. Our rental mat count today is higher than it stood a year ago at this time. What's ahead is really the key story, though. In Eastern Canada we're bidding on quite a few T&D projects, and we'll capture our share of them. There are also numerous pipeline projects now at the bidding stage where awards are going to general contractors. Revenue from those probably won't show up in the first half of next year, but you'll begin seeing it in the back half of '26, and I believe by '27 we're returning to a supercycle for this business, very much like what happened when we first bought it back in 2021 or 2022.

Steve Hansen analyst
#30

Thanks, that's useful. A quick second question from me about the Mach 2. Could you give us a sense of how big the market opportunity is that you're moving into here, given that there's clearly a much larger group of aircraft out there? Then, secondly, how do you plan to go after that market in terms of pace — testing the waters first or pushing in more aggressively? How do you see the growth profile taking shape there? Thanks.

Mike Pyle executive
#31

Steve, that's an excellent question. Mach 2 forms one component of our strategy. It isn't the entire plan we have for expanding into narrow-bodies and wide-bodies. To give you some background, what makes Regional One so special—and the reason they perform phenomenally well in the regional jet turboprop market—is their understanding of who the customers are, which products those customers need, and what those assets are worth. Whenever we purchase aircraft, we build margin in before leasing them out, before we make any changes to them. We have always had our eye on the 737 market specifically, since it is enormous compared with the regional jet market. It's key to recognize that the bulk of the 737 market is an OEM market. If you're discussing a 737 MAX or similar aircraft, those come from the manufacturer. Finance companies lease them. When we lease aircraft, what we're doing is consuming green time. We are not a finance lessor. Most of the newer versions of those aircraft truly don't fit what we do. Our opportunities are found in letting those aircraft age, where parts value could surpass the value of the plane broken into pieces. The expertise held by the team at Mach 2, the abilities of the people working there, together with the knowledge we gain from Canadian North's experience in the 737 business, will allow us to dip our toe in there.

Mike Pyle executive
#32

I'd say it's fair to say we'll walk before we run on this. There's a useful parallel: if you look back 8 or 9 years at Regional One, we basically weren't involved in the ERJ market — the Embraer market. We got a couple of opportunities. We put a toe in the water gradually, and today we do nearly as much work on ERJs as on CRJs. I think you'll see a similar path with the 737s, where we'll put money into bigger parts inventories, more depth, build up our knowledge, and then ease our way in. You shouldn't expect this to be like flipping a light switch. It's a slow, steady build, in my view. The expertise we gained from Mach 2 will speed that up compared with what we could have achieved alone.

Steve Hansen analyst
#33

Thanks for that. Back into the queue you go.

Operator operator
#34

Thanks. We'll take the next question from James McGarragle at RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open now.

Mike Pyle executive
#35

Good morning there, James.

James McGarragle analyst
#36

Morning, everyone — appreciate the chance to join you. Nice work on the solid fourth quarter. I’ve got a question for Jake, though, about the defense opportunity in Canada. Clearly there have been some fairly major announcements lately and some discussions you’re holding in Ottawa, and I’d like to hear how you view the opportunity set for Exchange over the coming couple of years.

Jake Trainor executive
#37

Okay, thank you, James. There are a few points to bear in mind here: certain of the major procurements the government is pursuing are, in a sense, generational — think shipbuilding, submarine acquisition, and grappling with the fighter jet questions. Once more, a number of those enormous procurements are plainly outside the scope of what we do. What we do is defense and security in the north. When it comes to opportunity sets, clearly the ISR capability is one where, as we've announced, we've engaged with the Canadian government. Beyond that, more broadly, we're now seeing it simply in terms of the volumes of logistics support, the travel, the support tied to greater attention for people in the north or traveling up to the north. That's definitely one. Some of the resource development that, again, follows from heightened attention on defense and security around the critical minerals — we're seeing that. Then the final piece, which Travis mentioned briefly, was looking at certain of our other subsidiaries where there's a broad sense of infrastructure renewal, whether that's additional towers or maintenance of towers, and that isn't only defense and security — that's with our air navigation provider, such as our ATC system.

Jake Trainor executive
#38

As I mentioned, there's simply a broad-level view or expectation that infrastructure investment will keep going, and we expect that to affect quite a few of our businesses throughout the portfolio. Once again, that's something we're genuinely enthusiastic about.

James McGarragle analyst
#39

Thanks for the detail. Now, regarding the return targets you projected for Canadian North—at the time you bought it, you said those returns would come in slightly under what you'd want entering '26. Should we expect improvement there? We saw the update that you're getting some support on pricing thanks to that agreement signed last year. Could you update us on how operations are tracking versus the internal return goals you have? And then, a bit more broadly, what's the opportunity and what capacity does Canadian North have to capitalize on some of this longer-term Arctic sovereignty investment? With that, I'll hand the line over. Thank you.

Mike Pyle executive
#40

Thanks, James. Looking at Canadian North, I'd say it's fair to describe our goals for that company as ambitious. We put a lot of confidence in its management team, and in what could be achieved by pairing them with EIC — and the results have been impressive. It has plainly gone beyond what we expected internally. To date in this process, we've implemented more changes and achieved more than we had forecast. From an earnings standpoint, when you consider what's required to reach our 15% return, we're further along than we had assumed. What will still carry us into next year is the deferred maintenance work, since we're making up ground on certain overhauls and similar items where rentals were used instead of overhauls. That work will carry on through this year. On capacity, there is space for growth versus the prior year, and that's what we anticipate. Should we reach the stage of constructing a military base, or a new mine comes along, or similar developments, the added investment for a couple more aircraft is modest compared with the returns, given that we own all of the fixed-base infrastructure. Canadian North is making solid progress on a new freight hub in Ottawa, and it is close to completion at this point.

Mike Pyle executive
#41

Actually, that accounted for most of the growth CapEx we took on at that company during the last year. It's almost finished. I'd say the business now has the infrastructure in place to grow. As demand keeps rising, we'll bring on more aircraft to serve it. One area that's somewhat different from that, I'd point to, is the charter business. The initial phase of the liquid natural gas plant operation is done, and you saw it wrap up in Q4. The rest of the charter business carries on, though I've mentioned a number of times that it runs at margins far tighter than what we'd really want to be involved in. We're having productive talks with our customers. Should we succeed in renegotiating those contracts when they mature, we'll stay in it. If not, we won't. As a reminder, we paid nothing at all for that portion of the business. Those were the only leased aircraft in EIC, and we acquired the Canadian North business at asset value. If we needed to boost our capacity, we might be able to move some of those leased assets into the core business.

Jake Trainor executive
#42

Mike, another thing I want to mention to give a little more detail is the other key element, which is human capital. We rank among the biggest employers in the north. Our ties with Inuit and Indigenous partners in that region are outstanding. Again, keeping in mind the limits on time and space, creating a workforce capable of operating in a severe environment is one of the moats Mike mentioned before. That poses a major difficulty for anyone. Again, it's something we can keep expanding, and it represents a substantial opportunity for us.

James McGarragle analyst
#43

Much appreciated. Thanks.

Operator operator
#44

Much appreciated. The following question comes from Cameron Doerksen at National Bank Financial. Your line is open now.

Cameron Doerksen analyst
#45

Morning, Cam, and thank you very much. Good morning to all of you. I suppose my question concerns the balance sheet. Clearly, you now hold an investment grade credit rating, and that's excellent. I'm just wondering, at a high level, how you would prefer the balance sheet's structure to look over the longer term. Obviously, there's an opportunity here to complete an interest rate debt deal, but I suppose how would you like the business's split to look over the longer term between raising some debt in the public markets and the credit facility? Perhaps related to that, what level of interest rate savings do you believe you could achieve if you do access the capital markets for debt?

Mike Pyle executive
#46

I'll handle the majority of that, and then Ritchie gets the tough assignment—the savings portion. It's crucial to grasp why the bond market has us enthusiastic. We're sitting on enormous liquidity. The facility we currently have stands at $3.5 billion, and roughly $1.25 billion remains as dry powder. Even considering Adam's ability to deploy capital, we're well positioned on that front. What bonds provide is a fixed-rate component on our balance sheet. Since the company's inception, convertibles have always been part of the mix, and they accounted for a substantial share of our fixed-rate exposure. Now, with bonds carrying a rate much lower than convertibles ever did—and frankly lower, subject to term of course, than what we pay on floating rate—I believe you'll observe bonds becoming a meaningful portion of our capital structure as time goes on. Historically, we relied on interest rate swaps to obtain fixed-rate exposure. Today, the bond market is considerably less expensive than the swap market. I expect you'll see us expand that. A personal phobia of mine involves refinancing risk arising from large chunks of paper coming due, so I prefer to spread those out across multiple years.

Mike Pyle executive
#47

I think that as the bond component of our financing matures over time, you'll see us doing that with bonds of varying lengths, so that we aren't unduly affected by whatever is going on 5 years from now when a bond comes due. I guess the other thing that's really important, something our shareholders count on us for, is that we've kept a very consistent level of debt since our inception. Bonds don't change that. It lessens our reliance on what we used to have with convertible debentures, and it lessens our reliance on our operating facility, but it doesn't change the aggregate level of debt we're comfortable carrying.

Richard Wowryk executive
#48

I think, Cam, to address what you asked about savings, it really hinges on what you're using as your reference point. If the reference point is, clearly, the convertible debenture market, then those savings are quite substantial, particularly once you factor in the amortization of the costs associated with that transaction. That's 1.5%. If instead you're measuring against our credit facility on a variable basis, I'd argue that comparison is less apt, since that facility runs four years while in the bond market you're looking at something with a 5 or 7 year term. Even comparing a five-year fixed basis against a four-year floating basis, you'd still capture some savings on the fixed side. I think the place where the comparison with the credit facility carries more weight is, as Mike pointed out, we finished those redemptions, but beyond that we hold two interest rate swaps maturing in April 2026. We've begun to ramp up our review of extending them. When you set the interest rate swap market against the bond market, those savings, if you're considering something of term and 5 years in the bond market versus the swap market, you do save. The delta isn't as large as it is versus the convertibles, but it still represents meaningful savings in exchange for that certainty of term.

Richard Wowryk executive
#49

This is something we're genuinely enthusiastic about, and we will still capture some savings compared with the floating option, though the real advantage shows up when you compare it against the other capital alternatives we have for getting a portion of fixed-rate debt in place, where the savings are more substantial.

Mike Pyle executive
#50

If you consider that across our history we've generally maintained roughly a turn of EBITDA in convertible debt—and those carried, in round figures, interest rates in the low sixes plus the expense of raising them—compared with a bond likely priced in the very low fours with minimal issuance expense, the gap comes to roughly 200 basis points against our historical capital structure, and on our cost of capital that represents a meaningful difference.

Cameron Doerksen analyst
#51

No, that's really useful context. Maybe just one quick follow-up for Richard. I suppose, regarding working capital, there was a large positive swing in Q4 — it looked like a significant shift in accounts receivable. I'm just wondering what caused that, and maybe any thoughts on what we should expect for working capital in 2026?

Richard Wowryk executive
#52

Absolutely. This aligns with the type of guidance we've communicated all through 2025, and also with what we shared regarding 2024. A number of government accounts lagged considerably behind our collection patterns in 2024, and we fixed those by collaborating with our partners across 2025. As is our habit, we worked on building processes to ensure we don't land back in that spot. That proved significantly successful over the period. We discussed the multi-storey window solutions. Some working capital drawdown exists there owing to business volumes. The other item we mentioned across 2024 and early 2025 is simply Regional One capitalizing on certain buying opportunities and locating the right venue to sell those assets. Given the scale of assets we had acquired across 2024, late 2024 and early 2025, the timing of those sales produced temporary bumps in working capital. That isn't something we apologize for. Regional One will stay opportunistic. If the plan is to resell the assets relatively quickly, they'll sit in inventory. We'll keep making those kinds of investments since they generate the returns Regional One does.

Richard Wowryk executive
#53

Regarding your question about 2026, we haven't given formal guidance on that. Based on the business's growth, we would anticipate modest working capital increases from 2020 through 6. As we've demonstrated successes across 2025, we'll maintain our sharp focus on working capital during the year and attempt to convert those into additional wins. A repeat of 2025 isn't something I'd expect. It stemmed from a couple of factors we've discussed over roughly the last 12 to 18 months.

Cameron Doerksen analyst
#54

Understood, that’s clear. Many thanks. We’ll hand over the line at this point.

Operator operator
#55

Thanks. The following question comes from Matthew Lee of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open now.

Mike Pyle executive
#56

Morning there, Matt. Hey.

Matthew Lee analyst
#57

Morning, guys. Hey, appreciate you taking my question. Perhaps we could begin with the step-up in manufacturing margins during the solid quarter. Could you maybe break down how much of that comes from mix versus how the individual businesses performed? Then maybe just some guideposts on how you're thinking about margin expansion in '26 and then '27?

Mike Pyle executive
#58

Sure. For Q4, product mix plays a bigger role than any significant shift in the business itself. During fiscal 2024, Dryair — our heating systems company — had an extremely difficult fourth quarter. By contrast, 2025 delivered a strong fourth quarter. What you're seeing is the difference between an above-average year and a below-average one. That provided support for margins. Rental activity rose at our Canadian matting business, and that's favorable for margins. Looking ahead, the effect isn't dramatic during the first half of next year, but as the year moves along and the fleet becomes increasingly deployed, rental is a higher-margin business, and that lifts the aggregate margin for the segment. Another point worth noting: the composite matting business operated at full capacity in the fourth quarter. We had only acquired it the prior year, and it wasn't running at quite that level then, so this gives it a boost. Not much of a delta is expected there going forward. The business sells every mat it produces, and we expect that to continue through the balance of '26 until the new plant opens in '27 — which again ought to help margins down the road, since SG&A for the business won't climb at the same pace revenues will once that new plant is up and running.

Matthew Lee analyst
#59

So at a holistic level, am I right in thinking that we'll see additional margin expansion driven by efficiencies in '26 and '27, more ramp-up as capacity comes online, and naturally, Quest beginning to recover?

Mike Pyle executive
#60

Quest is bouncing back, and in my view we're at the start of what could be a fresh supercycle for the Canadian matting business. Looking at how much bidding activity we have on the pipeline side — and even more on transmission and distribution — I expect that segment to be extremely busy as we move through the latter part of next year and on into 2027. I'd say that's quite bullish for margins too once '27 arrives.

Matthew Lee analyst
#61

Got it. Turning to ISR, there's clearly a lot of investor discussion around Australia. Could you speak to the talks you're having with other nations and how those talks have shifted as the geopolitical landscape has changed over the past couple of months?

Mike Pyle executive
#62

What I believe has shifted in the geopolitical landscape comes down to two factors, and Canada is a bit of a prime example of it. First, in the past there was a sort of "Do I really need to do this?" mindset, along with depending on the NATO alliance and depending on the Americans. The stance of the US President, telling nations they must help take care of themselves, has been excellent for this business. You can see the political uncertainty, for instance, in Greenland. The idea that two NATO partners would dispute a piece of land is not something witnessed in a long time. The demand we're seeing from countries that want to look after themselves is very heightened, and it's across the board. We're in discussions in a lot of places that I'm not at liberty to discuss, but I can say it's like countries to what we do. Over the last 5 years, we've added work in the Netherlands. We've added work in Great Britain. We've expanded and lengthened our contract in the Caribbean. We're in discussions, I said, we've talked to Greenland about their opportunities. We've been very public on the fact that we've had discussions with the government of Canada and providing them with a northern surveillance solution.

Mike Pyle executive
#63

This is fairly widespread and touches everything. Wins have a tendency to be irregular. You never know precisely when a government will reach a decision. Australia is an excellent illustration of that. From a bidding standpoint, the Australians are highly sophisticated, and this process has been running for more than 5 years. It surprises us that no conclusion has been reached yet, but one will come. We definitely won't capture every opportunity, though we will capture a number of them. The size of these projects — whether it's a hypothetical 10-plane deal in Australia, something smaller in Canada, or something in that 2- or 3-plane range in European countries — all of those sit squarely within our sweet spot. If this call were taking place a year from now, I'm fairly confident that we would have announced some exciting things by that point.

Matthew Lee analyst
#64

We're eager for that. I'll hand over the call.

Operator operator
#65

Thanks. The following question comes from Krista Friesen at CIBC. Your line is open now.

Mike Pyle executive
#66

Krista, hello and good morning to you.

Krista Friesen analyst
#67

Morning, and thanks for taking my question. Perhaps just to build on what Matt asked last. When you consider how many opportunities your ISR business will have over the coming 12 to 18 months, would it be fair to say that, in thinking about the opportunities for debt, most of it will be prioritized toward potential future contracts, or are you still very much open to other M&A?

Mike Pyle executive
#68

If I told you I was putting my capital priority on ISR, Adam would give me a hard time once I returned to the office. That's partly since those efforts come from separate areas of our business and separate teams, so they aren't really fighting over capital — rather, if we do well both on the acquisition side and at winning new contracts, our leverage will rise, and should it rise, we'll turn to equity if, as, and when we need it. Right now, Krista, we're in a position where our leverage is the strongest it's been since around 2010, I believe, at 2.73, and with a billion and a half billion and a quarter of dry powder plus perhaps the opportunity in the bond market. From a liquidity standpoint, I think we're in a great spot. I really want to be clear: we're not going to trade off opportunities. We're going to take them all, and we'll just make sure they're appropriately financed. One of our great strengths is that, if you look back over history, we've always had a balance sheet that lets us thrive in bad markets. Whether it was in 2009, when we were a $60 million market cap company and we did a $60 million deal right in the middle of the mark down, or when we had some silliness with a short attack during 2017, we grew dramatically, or even in COVID, we maintained our dividend and did a couple of acquisitions and paid down debt.

Mike Pyle executive
#69

We stay focused on keeping leverage at the appropriate level, and it falls to Richard to ensure our liquidity is where it needs to be. We don't truly pit one of those against the other. When it comes to acquisitions, predicting success is somewhat more difficult, yet we usually manage to complete a couple, and I don't see any reason this year would turn out otherwise.

Krista Friesen analyst
#70

Thanks. Turning to that Air Canada news from earlier this year — it's obviously a big endorsement of PAL Airlines. Could you give us a bit more granularity on the timing, or cadence, for rolling out those extra aircraft with Air Canada?

Mike Pyle executive
#71

Jake, would you like to handle that one?

Jake Trainor executive
#72

Absolutely. Thank you, Mike. That's a great question, Krista. Once more, you have to keep in mind that as we keep growing that offering, we need to bring in crews and get them trained, and we're purchasing aircraft since we don't have any available on the shelf. Based on that announcement, our plan is that mid-2026 is when they will begin showing up in the scheduled operation. Another thing I'd like to mention is that this represents a major vote of confidence, as you said, because it isn't just an increase in the aircraft count — it's also an extension of the whole aircraft package with Air Canada by another 4 years. Again, enormous stability and, once more, a strong partnership.

Krista Friesen analyst
#73

Great, thanks. I'll hand it over.

Operator operator
#74

Thanks. We move to the following question, which comes from Scotiabank's Konark Gupta. Your line is now open.

Mike Pyle executive
#75

Good morning there, Konark.

Nate Britto analyst
#76

Morning, everyone. This is Nate Britto here, actually covering for Konark Gupta. I’ve just got a couple of questions. Within the EIC portfolio, are there any areas where AI adoption is already at an advanced stage? And are there any subsidiaries that could gain substantially from AI investments around the globe?

Mike Pyle executive
#77

There aren't really any quantum AI initiatives on our side that are materially transforming the business. We are making incremental investments across areas ranging from airplane maintenance to airplane security and similar things. Nothing really represents a quantum leap from AI. When our subsidiaries spot an opportunity, we do tend to rely on our head office team to help them deploy it. Perhaps the biggest beneficiary of AI would be our CTI training business in the US. We devote a lot of time to using AI within the training itself and then instructing our customers on how to apply AI in their own business. The largest impact would probably be at CTI.

Nate Britto analyst
#78

That’s really useful. As a quick follow-up, I’d just like to ask about your M&A pipeline: how are sellers’ expectations looking at the moment? And do you see more opportunities in the manufacturing end market than in aviation?

Mike Pyle executive
#79

I suppose that really comes down to your perspective. There are aviation regulations governing where operations are permitted and what ownership stakes you may hold in foreign countries. Aviation is inherently more constrained than manufacturing, since manufacturing faces no such restrictions. That said, the aviation segments where we operate offer enormous medium-term growth potential. We've discussed extensively what's taking place at Canadian North. We've discussed ISR. We've discussed our ongoing ambition to expand our air ambulance medevac operation. We already hold the top position in Canada, and we plan to keep growing that operation. Turning to the broader macro picture, I'd argue manufacturing presents more opportunities. When you focus nearer to home, on bolt-on items and things adjacent to our core activities, I'd regard them as quite comparable. I believe you'll witness substantial and sustained expansion in the matting business. The US opportunity and the shift toward composite matting are genuine. It's a long-term proposition. It's global in scope. Quite simply, our product is the finest available. We'll get that plant operational, and then we'll begin pursuing rental possibilities, sales beyond the US, and wider geographic reach.

Mike Pyle executive
#80

We were thrilled that several of our mats saw use in the oil patch, and the oil patch is usually the toughest environment for mats, which explains why wood matting is what has traditionally been used in that setting. Our mat has performed really well on a few projects in that region.

Nate Britto analyst
#81

I appreciate everyone’s assistance, and I’ll hand things over now.

Operator operator
#82

Thanks. The following question comes from Razi Hasan of Paradigm Capital. Your line is open now.

Razi Hasan analyst
#83

Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Could you perhaps speak to how margins are affected in the aerospace business, comparing training with ISR? Looking ahead, is it your expectation that the aerospace business will carry a higher margin profile than was the case in 2025? And if that is the case, what are the puts and takes involved?

Mike Pyle executive
#84

The major macro point you raised at the outset is exactly right — margins wherever we own the aircraft are consistently better, thanks to the capital we've committed. Our training operation requires very little capital. The return on investment there is excellent, though our EBITDA margins are far, far thinner. As the ISR business expands, from a gross margin standpoint it tends to sit at the top, or close to the top, among our aviation businesses. That growth will help margins. Given competitive considerations, I won't go into too much detail on what those figures are, but they line up with the risks involved and the capital we've put behind those aircraft.

Razi Hasan analyst
#85

Thanks, that's useful. So perhaps we can pivot to Canadian North. To whatever extent you're able, could you just take us through how much revenue Canadian North is contributing? It seems that segment came in well above what we had projected, and I just want to confirm we're modeling it correctly. Any additional detail would be appreciated.

Mike Pyle executive
#86

I don't have those figures available to me right now. What I'd say is that perhaps one of my team can pull them up and check what they can find while I'm speaking, but Canadian North needs to be looked at as two separate parts: the regular business up north, which closely resembles what Calm Air does, and that would carry margins quite similar to the rest of our northern aviation. Then there's the charter side, and I don't mean the charters inside the Far North — I mean the charter operation that serves the oil patch and the natural gas projects. In those cases, margins are considerably lower. As we implement some of the changes at Canadian North and bring together certain purchasing capabilities, and then those items with EIC, you'll see gross margins at Canadian North keep improving. Margins are continuing to get better now that the full price increase in the new contracts with the government of Nunavut has taken effect, because at the time we signed the contract, a whole bunch of tickets were still outstanding at the old pricing. The complete impact is only now appearing. That's partly why you saw margin increases during that period.

Richard Wowryk executive
#87

Although we typically don’t break out financials at the subsidiary level, our IFRS disclosure in the MD&A includes a note that combines revenue for Newfoundland Helicopters and Canadian North from a revenue standpoint. From that, you’re able to extract what the six-month impact was for those two entities. Given the size of the deal, Canadian North accounts for materially all of it. One caution I’d offer, though: when you think about projecting that forward, as we’ve mentioned, the LNG contract wound down in the fourth quarter of 2025, so simply doubling that and concluding that’s what revenue will be in 2026 would overstate the impact of those charter revenues, given where that contract stands.

Razi Hasan analyst
#88

Much appreciated — that's really useful. I'll hand it over now.

Operator operator
#89

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to pose a question, hit star one at this time. We now go to Amr Ezzat of Aventum. Your line is live.

Amr Ezzat analyst
#90

Morning, everyone, and congratulations on such a robust year. Thanks. I have just one question for you folks that's perhaps a bit conceptual, regarding guidance. After Mach 2 and Air Canada, you reaffirmed 2026 with a tilt toward the higher end. Thinking about those defense and sovereign themes you mentioned during your prepared remarks, could you help us separate what's structurally baked into your existing 2026 run rate from what would count as incremental upside? I realize you aren't including any ISR wins of any kind. To be specific, are you observing elevated activity levels in defense-adjacent areas of the portfolio that underpin the base case regardless of ISR contract wins?

Mike Pyle executive
#91

That's a really solid question. The easiest way to frame it is that our guidance always reflects what we know at the time. It reflects contracts already won and investments already made. After the two announcements we made — Mach 2 and the Canadian North acquisition — we asked ourselves whether our guidance should change because of them. Neither one covered a full year within the current year, and if we'd taken the portion of the year we had and added it to our internal budget, we'd have gone past the top end of our range — though only somewhat closer to that top. So we chose to stay inside the guidance we'd already provided rather than replace it. On the defense side, regarding opportunities and what we're seeing, we've essentially included nothing beyond what we already hold or feel very highly confident we'll hold within that guidance. If we succeed on some of these defense initiatives — whether that's ISR, or perhaps WesTower putting up radar towers in the north, or any one of a number of those items, or frankly developing a critical minerals mine in Iqaluit — those would come on top of what's in the budget.

Mike Pyle executive
#92

Our approach is to avoid forecasting incoming developments, since doing so can produce quite erratic outcomes relative to your guidance. We aim to ensure that our predictions are something people can depend on. Because of that, we include very little for favorable tailwinds about which we don't yet have confidence.

Amr Ezzat analyst
#93

Got it. From what I’m picking up, that comes across as rather conservative.

Mike Pyle executive
#94

That's what you said. I'm not disputing it.

Amr Ezzat analyst
#95

Correct, that's exactly what I said. If I could squeeze in one more question — and you may not be able to respond to this — could you put a number on how much of your manufacturing, in terms of either revs or EBITDA, carries defense exposure? That's probably quite difficult to answer, but

Mike Pyle executive
#96

Honestly, putting a number on that is tough. What I'd say is this: consider defense and investment up north, since what goes into the north will go well beyond ISR or a military base alone. Money spent in the north will fund critical minerals development, work on the Northwest Passage, nation-building, and there's talk of pipelines running through there to Churchill. Every one of those gives us enormous opportunity. To borrow the Raptors' line, we are the north — with the Canadian North acquisition, we hold the infrastructure to handle whatever people need done up there. To be frank, we're only just getting our feet wet on that. When we acquired the company, we did it on the basis of what we knew it does, not what we imagine it could do down the road. My honest view is that the opportunity in Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and Yukon is only beginning.

Jake Trainor executive
#97

We posted strong results this quarter. Revenue came in at $2.4 billion, up 18% from a year ago. Gross margin expanded 220 basis points to 61.5%. Operating income was $480 million, or 20% of revenue. Diluted earnings per share were $1.12. Free cash flow totaled $610 million. We returned $350 million to shareholders through buybacks and dividends. CloudWorks subscriptions grew 34% to 12,400 customers. We now expect full-year revenue of $9.6 billion to $9.8 billion.

Richard Wowryk executive
#98

One additional point I want to make is that this is an expanding segment. We're drawing on the combined know-how from every one of our organizations to handle bidding processes alongside our manufacturing people, who might lack the same background in navigating major government procurement efforts. We're sharing resources and experience across subsidiaries that possess that expertise, which boosts our exposure on the manufacturing side to the defense world, so to speak.

Jake Trainor executive
#99

I wanted to elaborate on the point that although certain of our businesses currently lack direct defense exposure, all of them have opportunities in that direction — whether through exposure to infrastructure that will need building, through services that strengthen defense and security, or through direct work on behalf of various government agencies for defense and security. Again, what specific percentage exists today probably matters less than the road map of opportunities we're looking at going forward.

Amr Ezzat analyst
#100

Got it, and I'm with you on that. In my view, that aspect of your business gets far too little credit. Appreciate it, and congratulations once more. I'll hand things over now.

Mike Pyle executive
#101

I appreciate that.

Operator operator
#102

Thanks. At this point we don’t have any more questions. Go ahead, please.

Mike Pyle executive
#103

Appreciate all of you being here this morning. Normally I steer clear of discussing share price and matters like that, but today has been a thrilling start — early trading has lifted our stock past a $6 billion market cap for the very first time, which is a nice way to kick off the week. Thank you all, and I'm looking forward to speaking with you at our Q1 results and at the AGM in May. Have a wonderful day.

Operator operator
#104

Thanks to everyone. That brings the conference to a close. We appreciate all of you for participating. You can go ahead and disconnect your lines now.

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