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Fresnillo plc (FRES) Earnings Call Transcript

July 28, 2020

London Stock Exchange GB Materials Metals and Mining earnings 114 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator operator
#1

Hello, and welcome to Fresnillo Half Year Results 2020. My name is Val, and I will be your coordinator for today's event. Please note, this conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I will now hand you over to your host, Octavio Alvídrez, CEO, to begin today's conference. Thank you.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#2

Thank you. Good morning, everyone in the Americas. Good afternoon, Europe. This is Octavio Alvídrez, CEO of Fresnillo plc. And I thank you for your interest in listening to our half year interim results 2020. If we may go to the Page #2, please, the disclaimer. We have important information. And then after, I will go after the agenda we will cover today: the investment proposition; first half '20 highlights; of course, COVID-19 response with all the details that we've gone through; number four, the operational performance and development projects; number five, some quick comments and remarks on the exploration update; followed by financial performance; and to end with the 2020 outlook. Here with me in Mexico City is our CFO, Mario Arreguín; our COO, André Sougarret. And David Giles, our Exploration Vice President, is joining us from Chihuahua where he is based, Chihuahua, Mexico. If we may go to Page #5, please, the investment proposition. I would like to say that in recent months and -- we have gone through some operational challenges in most of our mines. Therefore, as we mentioned in our prelims, the aim this year is to focus and bring again the stability into our operations, the operational stability. We have deployed a list of initiatives that we will mention with more detail on the operational section, but I can tell you that those initiatives have started to give us good results and, therefore, supporting the high quality of our assets. Those have been transformed and resulted in financial -- in a good financial performance as well that we will see. We have concentrated on increasing our margins, a great focus on the main levers that we have in the mining industry, which is cost control, efficiencies and productivities. You can see on Page #5 that our silver cash cost on a consolidated basis is $7.31 per ounce. Of course, in mining, we cannot consider to do a good, sustainable approach without an approach on development -- on disciplined approach to development. You will see that although the focus is on bringing in the efficiencies and productivity into our operations, we do have some development projects. Juanicipio for exciting projects on the Fresnillo District is on track for mid-2021. And we will mention also some additional projects that come down the line on different -- in different stages. Sustainable business practice is a must. Now with COVID-19, health of all of the workers that participate in our organization is a must, and we will cover this in great detail in the following sections. And also, in this situation, we have had to reinvent our interactions and the way we interact with communities. We continue to support them through this terrible pandemic situation. And we will mention what we are doing with communities as well. As I mentioned, focusing on increasing our margins. We have good results, and we will mention a -- and reflect in a strong balance sheet, and our CFO, Mario Arreguín, will cover in great detail. On Page #6, I would like to mention that despite the fact that our main focus is on controlling costs, we are enjoying as well some good gold and silver prices, of course, with a combination of negative real rates or what the central banks are doing in terms of the stimulus and the global economic uncertainty supporting good silver and gold prices. But as I mentioned, we continue to concentrate on controlling costs and increasing the margins in our operations. If we can turn the page to Page #8, please. And here, you will see that the focus on stabilizing our operations are bearing fruits. Even in this critical situation that we're leading to have to deal with COVID-19 in our -- for operations and our country and globally, we have been able to produce 26.8 million ounces of silver. And we are maintaining our guidance as well in terms of silver production. In terms of gold production, we were affected in a larger degree in our Herradura and Noche Buena operations. We were very much on a different operation strategy during 6 weeks. In April and half of May, we were impacted with some of our production. And therefore, we ended up producing 381,000 ounces of gold. And we are lowering our gold guidance to between 785,000 to 815,000 ounces of gold. On the project front, we also have to operate on a different scheme. And we have to lower the number of people coming into the construction part of the flotation part on Juanicipio -- plant of Juanicipio. And despite that we were controlling the number of people working at site, what I can tell you, and we lowered the pace, we are still maintaining the mid-2021 Juanicipio to be concluded, the construction site. We're operating in this month with -- on the mine at very much the same pace. But I mentioned on the construction and surface and infrastructure, we have lowered the pace. Despite this fact, I mean, we are maintaining the mid-2021 date. The rest of the construction sites, the pyrites plant on the Fresnillo front, it is due to second half of this year as well as the optimization plant of the Fresnillo flotation to come with a higher base methods. We will see also that some of the effects that we have in Herradura, increasing the recoverable ounces is resulting in an increase of inventories at the pads, and we will go in more detail on these aspects. But what I can tell you is that we increased those inventory -- recoverable gold ounces in inventory by 119,000 ounces. If you can bear with me on Page #9, this is the summary of the main financial lines. And therefore, as I mentioned, with the quality of our assets, we increased the -- by 56.3% the gross profit half year to half year. We also posted an operational profit of plus 232% to USD 216.9 million. And also with a number of measures in terms of preserving cash due to the uncertainty we were facing and we are still facing, we reduced some of the investment lines that we will talk about as well in terms of the exploration, in terms of the sustaining CapEx at the mine. And that, combined with the good operational results to this half, we posted a free cash flow of USD 253.6 million (sic) [ USD 242.6 million ]. We declared an interim dividend. We continue to operate on the same dividend policy of USD 0.023 per share, equivalent to USD 16.9 million. You will see also that the EBITDA number increased substantially by 52.6% to USD 469.9 million. If we go now to the COVID-19 response section so that we can cover in detail what is our main challenge in our operations and how we are facing this challenge and how we are operating under this terrible situation. In -- at mid-March, when we knew, of course, of what's coming globally, this pandemic, we started to develop a set of initiatives, the preventive initiatives in order to deal with the COVID-19 situation. We engaged very closely with all levels of authorities in Mexico, at the federal level, at the state level and at the local level as well. We developed with them a set of protocols in order to prevent of -- the COVID coming into our operations. And by the end of March, we have started isolating all of the vulnerable groups that we have in our operations. This is a group of people 60 years old and up, a group of people with vulnerable health, these pieces with -- as well pregnant women. And therefore, we started operating the whole month of April without these very important group of people. At that time, we reduced also substantially in all of our operations the number of activities and the number of people that we could operate with in such a way that we decreased a lot of these services personnel. And we -- in a way, we're prioritizing the production activities. In some of the mines also, we decreased a bit the development of the mining work as well. And every day, I would tell you it was a challenge in order to complete our activities across all of the mines. You can see that we planned a long way with communication of all of the preventive measures in terms of logistics, very important as well because we had some operational schemes in terms of 2 weeks or 3 weeks off and a week or 1.5 weeks off-site and 2 or 3 weeks on-site. The logistics of our personnel going to their home and on their -- on this week or 1.5 weeks and then coming back to our operations was the whole challenge. In mid-March, we ordered a set of tests so that up to now, we have purchased 30,000 quick tests. This has been complemented with PCRs or molecular tests as well so that we have greater certainty of what we are testing and the results we are having by the testing activities in all of our -- with all of our people. We have learned a lot how to deal with these challenges. And the information we have from the quick tests has given us the possibility of really managing through this very challenging situation. Of course, all the preventive measures that cover mouth and sanitizing gel and the distancing that we have to are also receiving good results we have so far in dealing with this pandemic. On Page #12, you can see some of the statistics we've had in terms of the testing we've done at each one of the sites. And the results we've had in a way that for a long time, the whole month of April, we were not with a single case of COVID-19 in our operations. But as I mentioned, this is having some effect in our operations, but we are dealing with it up to now. Communities, we have to reinvent the way we were interacting with them. You know that we do have some different programs in terms of education, in terms of employment as well. And the way we deal with the communities is now different to what we were doing before. We've -- in this education -- just to give you an example, these educational initiatives with our communities and children in our communities, we implemented a virtual platform so that we continue to make those activities available on that platform, available to the children in our communities as well. So all in all, despite the fact that this is our largest challenge ever in terms of really protecting the health of our workforce or stakeholders and communities, we -- I can tell you that we are dealing with it quite efficiently now. We have learned a lot and a great deal of how to handle this. Our medical teams as well is a recognition of their work, of the intensity they do in terms of the activity they deploy at each one of the sites. And it's not all on their shoulders but also on all of the organization. I mentioned, and I would like to recognize the great deal of engagement of all of our personnel. And with this, I would like to go to the operational and projects performance. And I would like to pass the mic to Mr. André Sougarret. Please, André.

André Sougarret Larroquete executive
#3

Okay. Good afternoon, everybody. Page 14, please. Let me begin with the health and safety added to all measures preventing COVID-19 explained before by Octavio. I'd like to say we have worked hard to reduce accidents and improve the safety. The best result is having no fatal accident and reduce the injury frequency rate. The lost time injury rate was reduced from 7.6 to 6.9 accident per million of hour worked. And the total recordable injury frequency rate was reduced from 18.7 to 15.9 accident per million of hour worked. We still have a lot of work to reach the best industry mining standards, but we believe we go in the right way. The deepening of our program, I Care, We Care, has allowed to increase safety through the leadership and management of critical risks, creating a learning environment to improve continuously. The reporting and treatment of high-potential incidents, the identification of the root causes, a measure that it has taken will allow to reduce fatality likelihood. Next page, please. Fresnillo's District action plan update. My next point concerns about the update Fresnillo District action plan. As you know, we have taken many action to improve the results. The main focuses of these actions and update are: access to deeper reserves. The San Carlos shaft deepening has ended in the relation with mining works and continuous development, the facility to handle the rock material and planning the connection with current San Carlos shaft system. Increase development rates. Tunnel bore machine has started at the end of 2019 and has advanced 580 meters so far. The daily rate has increased, up 6 meters per day, and the target is 10 meters per day. Some adjusted in the machine is needed to reach the target. Lower dilution. Many actions have taken to reduce the dilution, measured by scanner all the stopes, adjusting the drilling and blasting patterns and better control to loading of ore marking have been implemented. The dilution last quarter has reached 35% in Fresnillo. Increase productivity. Among other actions, we have implemented semi-automatic drilling system on 5 drilling machines. Four machines are working on the inter-shift period, and the other one is implementing last month. We have reached 600 meters per month, and the target is 750 meters per month. In Saucito, the access of the deeper reserves is in relation with the Jarillas shaft deepening. And this project has been delayed for 1 month by COVID constraints. The deepening advance of the mining work has completed 354 meters of 470 meters, that means 75%. Next page, please. Fresnillo results. The silver production was increased in 6% regarding last half year. Better grades and the same throughput driving this increase. In gold production, lower grades reduced production in 21%. As I mentioned, some better result has been taken on Fresnillo. Firstly, the rate of development has increased to 3,200 meters per month, 5% above 2019 average. The TBM has started, and the new Peruvian contractor, GRC, are the reasons, offset by the absence of our miners by COVID. The dilution is other important issue. Continuous monitoring and changes in the mining practices have allowed lower dilution, 35% in the last quarter. 44,700 meters infill drilling has carried on, allowed more confident grades. The main veins were -- the main veins drilled were San Carlos, San Alberto and San Ramon also. In the second half of the year, the priorities will be: finish infill drilling to reach 3,400 meters per month in development rates; increase dilution control; advance the efficiency projects, commissioning the tailing flotation plant; start San Carlos tailing storage facility; and finally, finish the second stage of the beneficiation plant to cope in the zinc and lead raise for next year. Next page, please. Saucito results. The silver production is decreased in 8% regarding last 5 years as our sales of lower rates expected offset by better throughput. In gold production, better grades in base production is 13%. The program of infill drilling has progressed well. 76,800 meters has been drilled, focusing in Jarillas West, Mezquite and Natalia veins. 120,000 meter is the total program. The dilution at the second quarter has reached 46%, below our expectations, mainly increased [Technical Difficulty] veins in the production. The average vein wide was 2.8 meters in this quarter. In the second half of the year, the priorities will be: finish infill campaign; increase development rates at least 3,500 meters per month; adjust drilling and blasting pattern to face narrower veins; keep on sinking Jarillas shaft. Next page, please. San Julián results. Silver and gold production decreased 4% and 13%, both driven by lower grades in San Julián veins. The depletion of San Julián and Shalom veins contribute mainly to this result. The production at San Julián disseminated ore body has maintained flat. The change in mine sequencing has been able to stop rock falls and maintain safe condition to recovering ore body. We expect to increase progressively silver between 140 and 150 grams per tonne. The priority for second half of the year will be: keep infill drilling campaign; advance on the TCF Phase 3 and 4; increase silver grade and San Julián disseminated ore body. Next page, Ciénega results. First half production increased 19% year-on-year. Silver production has maintained flat. The increase of ore production has been driven better grades in Eastern zone of Ciénega. The tailing storage facility #3 began in the second quarter with some delay from original plan because the new design standards and complete impacts. In the region, high-density tailings thickener was commissioned. Therefore, water handling in the dam has decreased. Haulage cost has been the focus to reduce mine cost and sustain CapEx. In the second half of the year, the priorities will be: undertaking -- undertake infill drilling campaign; continue with tight cost control and sustaining CapEx; and keep on next tailing storage facility phase on track. Next page, Herradura results. First half gold production decreased 13% driven by the lower volume of ore deposited and lower grade in dynamic leach plant. The main was stopped for 1 month from middle of April to middle of May, and the restart was progressively, while the plants were maintained in operation feed by ore stockpiles and inventory from leach plants. In the other hand, when the new heap leach #13 start in August 2019, the design of solution handling has allowed to count both inventory, new and all depletion parts separately. As a result, the mine updated its estimated of recoverable remaining gold content in the inventories at the old leaching pads resulting in an increase of 119,300 ounce of gold. To recover this inventory is needed build a new Carbon in Column plant because the current Merrill Crowe plant is full capacity with 13 leaching pads solutions. The design and capacity will be the same that Noche Buena Carbon in Column plants. Finally, the priorities for second half of the year will be: fully ramp up mine operations, reduce mine development deficit, expect to conclude a geotechnical mine model and implement Carbon in Column to recovery inventory from the old pads. Next page, and finally, Noche Buena results. First half gold production decreased 25% year-on-year driven by the lower volume of deposits or ore deposits for the same reason before mentioning. The priority in the second part of the year will be reach the bottom of the pit with mine development. That's all, Octavio.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#4

Thank you, André. And now that we are here on the -- and please go back to the Herradura slide on Page #20. I would like to explain a little bit more detail what has caused this restatement of the inventories. As you can see on Page #20, on the right-hand photograph, a panoramic view of all of the pads at Herradura. On top, you will see pads #1 to 12, and at the bottom, you will see the new 13 leaching pads and also the project for pad #14. We operate pad #1 to 12 as a one big single unit. But we separated, as we were building pad #13, the operation for this new pad. Through the life of the -- mine life of Herradura, we have deposited 6.5 -- close to 6.5 million ounces of gold. And the recovery up to now has been 72.27%, recovering 4.68 million ounces of gold. Of course, any improvement we do on the recovery that initially at the start of the mine life of Herradura was close to 68% would mean we will be able to physically recover more gold ounces. And as we are operating these 2 leaching pads separately, we knew that we were recovering more on pad #1 to 12. We were analyzing this issue for several months, 6 to 7 months. We did different techniques in order to assess what we could viably recover in addition to the recovery rate we currently have on pads #1 to 12. And we finally came up to this 119,000 ounces. As we speak, if we have not reassessed this inventory on pads #1 to 12, we will be operating, of course, on negative inventories. And that's why with the starting very carefully, and this issue what we have stated now is that we will recover viably and economically 119,000 ounces more of gold. The recovery of those ounces as well as those ounces that we are depositing on pad #13 would go to the Merrill Crowe plant. But as we have studied, we can recover the ounces from the old pads faster. And therefore, we are constructing a Carbon in Column facilities so that we can speed up the recovery of the 119,000 ounces in the following years as well. That facility will be up already in Q2 of next year. So with that, we can now turn on the comment briefly on some of the development projects on Page #22, please. This is the pyrites plant, the second leg of this project, which in total is $155 million investment. The first leg is already operating for 1.5 years or so, the Saucito facility. And what we are finishing now is the second leg, which is the Fresnillo mine facility for this project. This will be ready in second half of this year. And what we are doing now is trying to source the energy needed for this project. This is one ore of the COVID-19 impact, I would say. The authority is -- has slowed down their process. But we are doing all we can in order to solve this facility's energy in the month of September so that we can start operating in Q4 of this year. All in all, we expected silver from this facility in Q4 is probably 800,000 to 1 million ounces of silver. Then on Page #13 (sic) [ #23 ], you will see the conclusion of the optimization we are doing for the flotation plant at Fresnillo. This is in order to cope with higher base method contents, lead and zinc. That would also give us the possibility to produce better-quality concentrates, cleaner concentrates as well so that we have more capacity in order to deal better with the quality of our concentrates. As you can see, this overall project is composed of 3 different phases: the zinc thickener that we installed in 2017, then the flotation cells that we increased, and in the end, it will be -- it will mean that we can install vibrating screens, one that we installed in the Saucito flotation plant. And we will do so only when the mine of Fresnillo is developed and ready to increase their truckload -- their throughput to 9,000 tonnes per day. We will advise in due time of this as well. And finally, on Page #14 (sic) [ #24 ], you will see that Juanicipio project continues to be on track. We slowed down, as we mentioned, for 1.5 months the construction activities on surface, infrastructure and some of the flotation plant as well. At that time, the critical path for the project was await the construction of the tailings storage facility. It is not anymore. So the slower pace of construction of surface infrastructure did not come to have an impact on the construction completion that we are expecting now by mid-next year. And with that, I will pass the word to our Vice President of Exploration, David Giles. David, are you online?

David A. Giles executive
#5

Yes. Good afternoon, everyone. On Page 26, you can see the properties which Fresnillo hold in this triangle. Coming down the triangle on the left-hand side, our mine operations is at the top and then development projects, PEA, properties, advanced exploration and prospects as you come down the triangle. Can you hear me okay?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#6

Yes. I do.

David A. Giles executive
#7

Okay. At our mines, drilling is on track for the reserves this year, and we're actually in the estimation process right now. And it will take from now to the end of the year to complete that plus the audit. And in the beginning of next year, we'll have the results. We did have a 1.5 months stoppage on surface drilling, not on the underground drilling. And that affects our resources, but we are back on track, where all our tools are now going in Mexico, Peru and Chile. That stoppage did affect the geotech drilling at the Herradura pit and also the Orisyvo advanced project. Coming down the right-hand side of the triangle just to comment on our general way we're working, our budget this year is focused mainly on brownfield projects around our mines and advanced projects. The mine exploration group converts resources to reserves in the mine, and the exploration group increases resources in our districts, which we consider very underexplored. Our greenfields projects are very special because they're located in several high-potential districts on the main mineralized structures -- mineralized regional structures with adjacent unexplored covered areas, which are very favorable. And we expect at least one of these projects to turn out to be much larger, 7x larger than our minimum objective, which is 2 million ounces of gold. In operation, we use state-of-the-art technology backed by our Peñoles mother company on a lot of fieldwork and mapping. We have 78 geologists just now working in Mexico, plus another 35 geologists at underground in our mines, 10 geologists in exploration in Peru and 5 in Chile. And we use 7 contracted drilling companies plus allot 225 local workers. Our budget -- the balance of the budget is 65% in brownfield around the mines this year and 25% in greenfield, mainly advanced projects and 10% on prospecting. 65% of that budget is dedicated to drilling. And our budget in 2020 was revised to $120 million. Coming down the triangle, starting at the top, we've had good results in the Fresnillo District, promising in around the Mexico Nuevo and Mirador Cristo area. In the San Julián District, where we have a lot of [ ongoing ] drilling, and we've increased the resources and reserves on the south vein. At the Ciénega mine, we're drilling the east extension of the veins across a post-mineral fault, and that is looking promising as well. Coming down to the development projects, Juanicipio, this year, the drilling has been infill drilling on the deeper part of the ore body from the Valdecanas Vein, and the results have been what we expected, good results for them. At Orisyvo, what we're doing on this project, it's a gold project in Chihuahua, is we're doing drill holes for metallurgical studies and also geotech work. And that is in drilling right now. On advanced exploration in Guanajuato, we have good results in the San Gregorio Vein. And we've started drilling a new area in the north area of Guanajuato at Latrau, which looks promising. We started up some more drilling and prospects in drilling, if you come halfway down the triangle, and we're drilling right now a gold buffer in Peru called Supaypacha. We've completed the first hole, and it was successful. I think that we are in a well-mineralized buffer system with gold veins with the first hole cut over 200 meters, running about 0.6 gold and with copper values as well. We're also drilling in the Paleocene gold/silver belt in Chile at Capricornio and Condoriaco, and the results are promising, especially at Capricornio, which is a joint venture with SQM. On the other prospects, we're maintaining our claims in good standing at the other projects from the lower part of the triangle and obtaining permitting, planning for drilling next year. And we've had good advances at Santo Domingo in Peru. That's basically a quick look at what we're doing right now. We don't know what our reserves are going to be this year, and so we've done all the work with that. I'm quite optimistic. We did a full 12-month drilling this year, and the results look good to me. That's the summary, Octavio.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#8

Thank you, Dave. And with this, we will go to the financial performance -- financial review by our CFO, Mario Arreguín, on Page #28, please.

Mario Arreguín executive
#9

Thank you, Octavio, and good afternoon to those of you in Europe and the U.K. Good morning for those of you in the Americas. I would like to go to Page 28, please, where we show the income statement. In general terms, I would say that we had a good financial result in the first half of the year compared to last year. As you can see in the yellow lines, gross profit was higher by 56.3% and operating profit more than tripled. Let me start by explaining the gross profit increase of $115.7 million. If you move up that same column with $115.7 million, you will see 2 important items that contributed to this increase. One is the adjusted revenues, which were up $56 million; and the second one is the lower adjusted production costs, which were lower by $59.8 million. If you add these 2 items, you get to approximately $115.9 million. So they were very important components of this increase, and I would like to spend just a couple of minutes in describing these 2 items. And for that, I would like to move to Page 29. Here in Page 29, we show the contribution in terms of volume and price to the increase in adjusted revenues. In the bottom line, you can clearly see that the $56 million increase in revenues was very favorably impacted by the prices, which actually accounted for $141.8 million increase, which was, unfortunately, partly compensated by the lower volumes. In the case of gold, the average realized price for the first half was $1,677, up 27% compared to last year, and that's why you see that important positive effect of $140 million. However, as André explained, we produced less volume, and that had a negative effect of $84.9 million. In the case of silver, the average realized price for the period was close to $16.8 per ounce, up 10% compared to the previous year, and that had a positive effect of $35.9 million. However, we produced 2% less compared to the last year, and that had a negative effect of $19.1 million. But if you will see the realized prices, again, gold $1,678 and silver $16.8, they are much lower than the current spot prices. Gold is currently trading at $1,945, and silver is currently trading at $24.15, much higher than the average realized price for the first half. So we are certainly looking forward to a much better second half than the one we had in the first half. Moving now to Page 30, just very briefly. We here show the contribution both by metal and by mine to the revenues of the company. And as you can see, gold continue to be the most important component, representing 54% of our revenues, and silver 34% of our revenues. Base metals contributed with approximately 11%. And in terms of our mines, you can see that Herradura represented 31% of our sales; followed by Saucito, 21%; and then the Fresnillo mine, 16%; Ciénega 10% and so on. Moving now to Page 31 and now touching specifically on costs. I thought it would be interesting for you to know how our inflation basket is composed. And you can see all of the cost items on the left-hand side of the slide. And in the unit price increase, you can appreciate that we had important decreases in most of the cost items. Number one, in terms of decrease was diesel, down 18.7%; and gasoline, 17.7%. Freights were down 10.7%. And labor was down together, 8.5% considering our unionized personnel and our employees. Important to mention that in the case of labor, we are still -- we haven't even started to negotiate or conclude our negotiations with the union in terms of wage increases for this year. As you know, we normally start in March. However, with the COVID pandemia, we have not yet started that process. So this represents the wages that we saw in the first half of this year compared to the first half of last year. And you have to bear that in mind. We still have to see this -- how it turns out. So in dollar terms, because all of these numbers and figures that you see here are based on dollars, we actually had a deflation of 6.14% in terms of our basket. If you separate the effect of the exchange rate, in the bottom part of this slide, you can see that if we separate that in component, we would have had a very small inflation of only 0.12%. Moving now to Page 32 and continuing with our -- the analysis of the adjusted production cost. This rainbow chart shows the main variables that impacted our adjusted production costs, both positive and negative. And on the far right-hand side, the green bar, bar #6, is the $59.8 million decrease in adjusted production costs. And let me start with the positive bars. I would say that the 2 main components described in columns 3 and 5, which have to do with a lower volume processed, both at Herradura and Noche Buena. As you know, these were the 2 operations which were mostly affected by the COVID-19 disruption. Even though the Merrill Crowe plant continued to operate, all the activities related to mineral deposits and waste material haulage were stopped, so that implies a lower production cost. If you add column 3 and 5, you will see that you get almost $51 million, which we did not incur during the first half of the year in these 2 operations. Important to mention, of course, is column #4, which is the effect that the Mexican peso devaluation has had on our costs, as we estimate that effect as a favorable $34.6 million. And those 3, I would say, were the main 3 reasons for the lower production cost. On the negative side, and I wouldn't call it negative because this is actually related to the increase in development works, which are very, very important to guarantee the continuous operations and the optimal operations at our mines. This is described in column #1, and there, we had an increase of $25.65 million. And with that, I would like to move on to Page 33. Just to summarize, how the increase in terms of gross profit of $115.7 million shown with the green bar, or bar #9, was affected by both positive and negative variables. Starting with the positive. I already mentioned the higher metal prices, by far, that was the most important competent. It had an effect of $141.8 million positive effect. On bar #2, we show the impact of the reassessment of the gold inventory at Herradura, which was described by Octavio a few minutes ago, which was estimated to have a benefit of approximately $65 million. This effect resulted from adding the additional ounces at 0 cost to the initial inventory, thus lowering the cost per ounce held in our inventories. That's how this benefit was obtained. And I would like to say that we will continue to see the favorable effect of these additional ounces in the very near future, mainly in the next 12 to 16 months. But also, I would like to point out that this positive effect will be diminishing through time. For the second half of the year, we expect a favorable effect of approximately $25 million. This will depend on the volume and cost of the mineral deposited and the volume processed in the period. But we estimate that for the second half of the year, we will see a benefit of $27 million -- $25 million, sorry, related to the reassessment of the gold inventory at Herradura. On the third column, as I already mentioned, we see the benefit of devaluation of the Mexican peso, with a benefit of approximately $34.6 million. And on the other side, the red bars, again, you can see on columns 6 and 8, the counterpart of the lower production at Herradura. In the previous slide, we saw that, that contributed to the lower cost, but on this slide, we clearly see that given the fact that we were not able to operate fully at 100%, that meant a lesser production, which impacted our gross profit, of course. If you sum those 2 bars, you get approximately $85.8 million. And as I already mentioned, in bar #7, the increased development work also had a negative effect of $25.7 million. With that, I'd like to ask the operator to go back to Page 28 to the income statement. Okay, I would like to talk about the remaining items in the income statement. So, so far, we have discussed on the gross profit, the $115.7 million increase, which, if you take into consideration the lower exploration expenses, that gets you basically to the increase in operating profit of $151.6 million. So the main reason for that increase from gross profit to operating profit was mainly the lower exploration expenses, both at our operations as well as in the new exploration areas. And moving down to the income statement now. This second half, if you will, of the income statement, will be affected by nonoperating financial adverse effects, most of them being noncash. And let me start with the Silverstream effect, which generated a loss of $31.8 million. This loss is related to the Silverstream valuation, which basically resulted from a review of the reserves at the Sabinas Mine, which changed the mine plan and also from an increase in the rate used to discount the cash flows in the model to evaluate the Silverstream. It is important, however, to point out that this loss is a noncash item. Moving down to the foreign exchange loss of $41 million. The $41 million foreign exchange loss resulted mainly from the adverse effect of the peso devaluation on the accounts receivable, not related to sales, which are paid to us in Mexican pesos, mainly recoverable VAT, which, when converted to U.S. dollars, are worth less than they were at the end of last year. But let me make it clear that all of our sales are denominated and paid in dollars. It's just the exceptional accounts receivables, which are paid to us in pesos. And moving now further down to the tax expense of $62 million. This $62 million represent an effective tax rate of 48.5%, which is higher than the 30% statutory tax rate. The main reason for this was the effect, once again, of the devaluation of the Mexican peso on the tax value of assets denominated in Mexican pesos. But again, I do want to stress that this is a noncash item. Let me now move quickly to Page 35. On Page 35, we show our cash flow. And I'm very happy to report to you that in the first half of the year, we had a positive free cash flow of $242.6 million, which contrasts very positively against the negative free cash flow that we had in the first half of the previous year. If you see in this slide, you will appreciate that we had a very strong increase in the net cash from operating activities, which was $422.5 million, a 152% increase compared to last year. Also important to mention is the fact that we invested less in CapEx in the purchase of property, plant and equipment, which was $182 million for the period, $66.4 million lower, or 27% lower, compared to last year. Also, dividends paid were lower compared to last year by almost 29%. But importantly to mention here is our end of the half year cash balance, which was $514.7 million, this gives us a lot of comfort in terms of meeting any challenges to arise from potential disruptions of the COVID-19. We believe that with this cash balance, we're prepared to meet any challenges in that regard. And lastly, on Page #9. Just one thought. It would be interesting for you to know how we distributed that investment in CapEx, the $182 million. There you can see that approximately 29%, or $52 million, were invested in Fresnillo. In the bottom part of this model, you can see that Juanicipio represented 22% of the total amount or close to $40 million. Saucito represented 17%, you saw. And with that, on Page 37, where we show the balance sheet. Just to mention that we strongly believe that we have a very strong financial position, as shown by this trend of our balance sheet. But no major comment in this last slide. With that, I would like to thank you for your attention and pass it on to David.

David A. Giles executive
#10

Thank you, Mario. And we can go to close the presentation today before coming to Q&A. To Page #39, in the section of 2020 outlook, please. You will see on Page #39 the 3 projects that are underway, the Pyrites Plant that we described in the previous section, the Fresnillo base metals flotation plant at the equation as well, ending, as I mentioned, the investment on vibrating screens, which is a low investment, one and only we can bring the mine to the 9,000 tonnes per day throughput. Then the Juanicipio project, meant to be finished at mid-2021 next year. We've been able to, in Juanicipio, really go over any procurement disruption as well for COVID-19. We have most of the large equipment on site. And it's just about building and construction, the flotation plant and the infrastructure and surface. Mine development continues at a very good pace as well. And as we mentioned, we will be able even to process 2 days per month of the Juanicipio development ore in the Fresnillo flotation plant that is coming very soon as well. And then on the bottom part of the chart, Orisyvo gold project that we are confirming the recovery rate after a very good metallurgical result we have. I think we can confirm this high recovery rate of gold. We will have a stronger project that we can go then after the prefeasibility and feasibility stages. And I would like to mention also some other project names, so that you get familiar with those one in Rodeo, very good perspectives of becoming a feasible project down the road and Guanajuato as well. So there, we are going through a land access so that we can finish exploration as well. And in Guanajuato, we continue exploring and posting good exploration results. You will notice also from this chart that we have left out the Ciénega expansion. In Ciénega expansion, we are concentrating the test of making the most out of the flotation plan we have. Although we had some increase in resources to the west of Ciénega, and therefore, we were thinking of the possibility of a new flotation facility or increase the current of the actual flotation plant that we have. This was not enough in order to viably justify the investment. Also San Ramon is coming to an end, the satellite mine on Ciénega. And you will see that we will substitute that San Ramon ore with ore coming from Ciénega itself, so that would imply a better cost structure as we will avoid some haulage cost at Ciénega. So that's something that goes along the lines of concentrating in increasing the margins of our current operations as well. So we can go to Page #40 is the expected attributable production profile. You will see silver going up steadily in the following years '21 and '22. Here, we reflected some of the projects that we talked about, the Pyrites Plant, second stage; the Fresnillo; the Fresnillo Mine, also, of course, giving a step-up to our silver production is our silver coming from our exciting projects, Juanicipio as well. On the gold side, the story is a bit different. We are bringing to an end Noche Buena, and that is reflected in lower gold production. But also on the Herradura open pit as well, we are producing a little bit less on the following 2 years, '21 and '22. And therefore, it's important to think of how to mitigate this production fall. One, the alternative would be Orisyvo, as we described. And the other one could be Rodeo, which is also a good project in a very good location as well. On the base metals, you will see lead production going up and zinc pausing on the increased production and then being lifted on 2022. If we go to Page #41, you will see what Mario described in terms of the initiatives we had in order for preferred cash due to the uncertainty we were facing -- that we are still facing, so we lower sustaining CapEx at all of the operation. This was a very careful exercise that we went through and André with all of the mines. We also lowered or deferred some of the investments in Juanicipio mainly, so you will see also the growth CapEx decreased, and that was passed into 2021 of this, with no effect on the day we are expecting to conclude the construction of Juanicipio. And this is what was in Mexico's side, also decreasing exploration, as Mario mentioned in order to preserve cash under the current circumstances. And then we can go to -- turn page to #42. Just to some concluding remarks. First and foremost, prioritizing the health of our workforce during the COVID outbreak. Here, we are working on a day-to-day basis. We have the best board support in order to cope with this challenge. Our Chairman is personally involved in these activities, putting out weekly notes in terms of information, engaging the whole organization as well, a great support from our medical team and also from our operations team in order to cope with this big challenge. As I mentioned, great support and a great result from the testing that we are doing on a daily basis. Random testing with quick tests, direct testing for those that are suspect of having acquired the virus. And this gives us the possibility to really see and know in which phase of the disease they are when we detect a positive case, and we can manage the 7th, the 14th or the 21st days in order to bring them back safely into our operations as well. We have very much getting into a lot of communication with the health facilities in the different locations where our mines are in Zacatecas, in Fresnillo especially, in Sonora as well so that we have also the infrastructure needed to support those that acquire the virus in our workforce. Also strong commitment to operational delivery. As I mentioned, the focus was to stabilize the operation and increase the margins in our operations. We have had very good results in dealing with this pandemic situations, that we can confirm the 51 million to 56 million ounces expected production for the year. And -- but we also reflect a lower of the guidance in terms of gold, as I mentioned, 785,000 to 815,000 as a new guidance. Dealing with our stakeholders, very importantly, we have started to use first information with the communities around our operations, about what COVID is, about all of the preventive measures that we have, and recently using the quick test as well with them with a -- we have had a very good reception of this initiative in all of our communities around our mines. We focus -- although we have had some external factors that are helping our cost structure, we continue to focus on reducing and controlling cost and capture additional efficiencies and increase our productivity in our operations. And as I mentioned, create value through disciplined growth, exploration and development as well. We have to compensate the fall in the following -- of gold production in the following years. And I mentioned some of the projects that we believe we can go to. And with this, we believe we can -- we have presented a good set of results, and we can open to Q&A now. Thank you all.

Operator operator
#11

[Operator Instructions] So the first question from the audio line comes from the line of Jason Fairclough from Bank of America.

Jason Fairclough analyst
#12

Really just one question from me to keep it short. Could you maybe give us a bit more color on the journey you're on in terms of operational improvement? And you're mentioning some numbers in terms of the development leaders. What's the ultimate goal? Are we sort of 30% of the way in there? Are we 50% of the way? Is there a lot more to go?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#13

Yes. In terms of the different initiatives across our operations, Fresnillo, and as André Sougarret mentioned, we have had good results in terms of the dilution decrease and control. This has been important in order to have or enjoy a better grade to what we were doing last year. The initiatives that we mentioned is very basic but the close monitoring and control, such as the drilling part that we're using, the blasting techniques as well, engaging and talking to our workforce and what this means and the impact we have economically from increasing or decreasing the dilution as well. We do have a -- we have the objective of increasing the development rates. We do have an average of close to 3,200 per month. Helped also by the tunneling machine that we have in Fresnillo now, and that is ramping up successfully. But during this, the current circumstances, we have had to really balance the production activities to those of the development of the mining work side as well. We also have in Fresnillo, the possibility of working the Sundays, so that adds additional productive time as well. We -- although we have some workforce shortages, as we described before, we have the benefit just recently of one of the operations of our system company being closed in the proximities in Zacatecas. We've been able to bring key personnel in terms of miners with experience and also maintenance guide into Fresnillo and Saucito, so we will see the benefits of that initiative as well. In Saucito, it's very much the same. As we described in the presentation in terms of dilution control, development rates. Although under the current circumstances, that's a day-to-day balance to production as well. But -- and then San Julián, importantly, of the mine as well after having last year some challenges in terms of the stability and ground control. Right now, we are going back to the original sequence, and that would give us better grades in this second half, better silver grades in the second half of the year.

Jason Fairclough analyst
#14

Can I just come back to you, though? And I'm sorry to try to pin you down to a number, Octavio. But if we talk about 3,400 per month, just remind us where have you started off and where you want to get to. You want to get to 4,000, is that right?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#15

What we believe is a sustainable is around 3,200 to 3,300 meters per month. We were aiming to a higher development rate so that we have some operational flexibility. But the current circumstances with probably 5% to 6% workforce impact due to COVID, and that we believe that is not a possibility this year. Next year, we are redefining this as a higher development rate once we go over this COVID situation. For the current year, we believe 3,200 is a viable rate.

Operator operator
#16

The next question comes from the line of Alan Spence from Jefferies.

Alan Spence analyst
#17

I've got 3, and I will go through them one by one. Firstly, on one of the last slides that you were going through in terms of the metal production guidance. It looks like you downward revised 2021 and 2022 targets for zinc and lead. Can you just explain kind of what the drivers of that was?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#18

For lead and zinc, yes. That has had to do very much with Fresnillo and Saucito. I mean in Fresnillo and Saucito, lead and zinc are byproducts. So it's a little bit more difficult to have a stronger grasp of what we are producing in the following 2 years. We know, of course, that those base metals are increasing net debt, and that's why we prepared our facilities with the modification of the flotation, the current flotation plant at Fresnillo so that this increase in base metals would not compromise the quality of our concentrate. But yes, we lowered a bit the production of lead and zinc in 2021 and 2022. Saucito is a similar case, but not to the extent of Fresnillo.

Alan Spence analyst
#19

Okay. That's helpful. And in the last set of results, you gave some very helpful guidance around adjusted production costs for full year '20 based on a cost inflation assumption in the Mexican peso to U.S. dollar FX rate. Are you able to give us a bit of an update around that?

Mario Arreguín executive
#20

Cost guidance, the adjusted production cost.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#21

Yes. In terms of our production cost, of course, when we initially estimated this year's potential increase, we did not take into consideration the devaluation of the Mexican peso or the side effects of the COVID pandemia. So what we're expecting for the second half of the year, something very similar to what we saw in the first half, although I would add the cost related to Herradura and Noche Buena, which we expect to be fully operational during the second half. So compared to the first half, where we did not incur in those costs, that could represent, in absolute terms, an increase in the second half. Again, because we are expecting continuous operations now at both Herradura and Noche Buena. But we believe, in general terms, to be very similar to the first half.

Alan Spence analyst
#22

Okay. That's helpful. And the last one for me, just on Orisyvo. Can you give us a time line when you think the updated PEA might be done? And then perhaps potentially when that could be ready for a potential Board approval?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#23

Are you talking about Juanicipio or Saucito?

Alan Spence analyst
#24

Orisyvo. Sorry, the line must be bad.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#25

Well, yes. Orisyvo, right now, I mean, we needed to stop for 1.5 months, almost 2 months the drilling we were doing in terms of collecting a rep -- overall representative sample for all of the ore body, especially for the close to 4 million ounces oxidized portion of the ore body and the higher grade content close to this central oxidized part in order to confirm after the drilling the metallurgical tests and the metallurgical recovery. We believe we can finish that drilling in a couple of months. So by Q4, we will be doing the metallurgical test and hopefully confirm the better metallurgical recoveries. And after that, going to the prefeasibility and feasibility. This project has their challenges in terms of the location it is in the Sierra Paramor in Chihuahua. We need to bring infrastructure, electricity, of course, communities and consultation is also some of the activities that we need to go through. And -- but as I mentioned, number one is confirming these metallurgical results. And with that, we believe we can post a stronger expected result for this project.

Operator operator
#26

The next question comes from the line of James Bell from RBC Capital Markets.

James Andrew Bell analyst
#27

I just wanted to talk a little bit about CapEx. When I looked at your previous guidance over the next 3 years or over the next 2 years, rather, the total was just about $1.1 billion to $3 billion. You're now around $40 million less across the 2 years. I just wondered in terms of deferrals, were there any reductions in there, and what was that related to. And in terms of when you look to 2021, the deferrals of CapEx in this year, do you feel like there's a risk that 2021 production could be impacted through these deferrals?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#28

Okay. Thank you, James. Yes, you're right. I mean we have to reshuffle some of the CapEx. We had a very careful and detailed exercise for the CapEx for this year. Initially, in March, after posting our preliminary results and seeing the -- what's coming at that time, we went into cash preservation mode. And André and the whole operational team went through a very detailed review of what has been approved at that time, the $655 million CapEx in terms of sustaining and growth. And there was a number of initiatives across all of the operations in what we believe would not affect extensively the ability to perform this year and half of next year. And therefore, we reduced the sustaining from close to $400 million to $330 million, reducing also -- all sorts of initiatives. So we believe that the current development rates reflected in these lower CapEx needs, we will be able to cope at the current rates -- production rates. But next year, we believe we needed to increase those development rates and a little bit more on exploration in our operations, so that we do not suffer in the second half of next year. And that's why we reflected a 2021 increased sustaining CapEx from $400 million to approximately $470 million for next year. Also some of the growth CapEx that was in '20 was deferred with the #1 objective of not impacting what we were having as the growth projects like the Pyrites Plant and the creation of a flotation plant at Fresnillo, but more importantly on the Juanicipio side. So part of that investment was moved from '20 to '21. But as I mentioned, we do not expect any impact by the time we believe we are finishing the Juanicipio construction as well. The $40 million that you mentioned are reductions that we are not incurring in the following years. But that would not have any impact on expected production in '21 and '22.

James Andrew Bell analyst
#29

Okay. That's helpful. And then just one quick one. Silver price, up around $25 an ounce, gold at record highs. How long do these prices have to be maintained before you take a look at your reserve pricing? And what optionality you have in terms of the existing mines to change your production outlook?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#30

Yes. No. I mean we concentrate, especially now on really what we can control, and that is cost. Of course, higher metal prices, silver and gold, we have a very good effect and would be reflected in our financial results. But we continue at the start of this year with the cost control initiatives, all of our operations, despite the fact that we have had very good advantages from the external factors, that's #1. In terms of research and resources, we are right now defining what prices to use. We are probably increasing a little bit the silver price, but not substantially, from $17 to $17.50, nothing substantial. And then gold as well increasing a bit, but nothing compared to the current levels. We believe in long-term metal prices, and we don't want to be subject in our reserves and resources to the probable volatility in metal prices -- precious metal long-term prices.

Operator operator
#31

The next question comes from the line of Daniel Major from UBS.

Daniel Major analyst
#32

So the first one, just can I ask a little bit more detail on the cost question that was asked earlier. So am I right in saying that if we take the first half run rate, add about $50 million, which was the costs associated with the lower volumes at Herradura and Noche Buena, that should be, all else equal, the approximate sort of run rate for the second half? Is that what we should be saying?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#33

That is correct.

Daniel Major analyst
#34

Okay. And then to follow-on from that, as we look into 2021, I'm guessing you will hope to at least sustain or lift the development rates in the underground mines. You probably have to catch up on some stripping in the open-pit mines. And we should see production volumes based on your guidance pick up a bit. So is it fair to assume into next year on a flat currency basis, you would see a lift in your adjusted production costs similar to your lift in metal sales volume?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#35

No. For next year, we are expecting in Herradura a similar stripping ratio. We are planning to move a similar volume to what we were planning this year. Of course, we had the impact of these 6 weeks. But the Herradura operation will be run at a similar pace, where we will have an effect, but that's the natural effect of business in Noche Buena, and where we will move less tonnage, but that's coming to an end after mid-2022. And on the underground operations, as I mentioned, part of that is reflected on the higher sustaining CapEx that we have on Page #41 for year 2021. And that, we will carefully determine what we can do in Fresnillo to have a little bit more of operational flexibility as we are planning to run development rates at 3,200 this year. Also in Saucito, we are increasing a bit the development rate that we mentioned as average on the operational page of Saucito in the second half, but that is reflected already on the sustaining CapEx of 2020. And also in '21, we will increase a little bit more on Saucito from the current 3,300 meters per month.

Daniel Major analyst
#36

Okay. But just more to be -- if I look at your adjusted production cost for the whole group, you've obviously indicated that the catch-up you're going to be doing on development, et cetera, was more reflected in sustaining CapEx. But if I look at adjusted production cost, is that going to go up broadly in line with the lift in group sales? So group sales are going from, what, mid-50s to mid-60s in silver production and gold flat. So will adjusted production costs go up next year, similar to your sales volumes lifting?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#37

Just a second. Yes. Your assumption of assuming that the cost will go up in proportionally to the increase in production would be right because we will be moving more mineral. So that will be right.

Daniel Major analyst
#38

Okay. That's fine. Yes. So the similar kind of aggregate unit cost, that's fine. Okay. And the next question, can you just provide me a few more details on this inventory movement? So you booked $65 million of profit through the P&L and it resulted in about a $35 million increase in cash on working capital. How long will it take for you to fully unwind that? So eventually, you will receive $65 million of cash through the combination of the unwind of the working capital and the rest flowing through the income statement, I'm guessing, but how long will it take for you to one-one that and you to realize that $65 million of cash?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#39

Yes. Approximately in the next 18 months, we would have accrued 95% of the benefit. Like I said, this is something that has a diminishing behavior. And so approximately 90% to 95% of the benefit, the full benefit of the 119,000 ounces will be realized in the next 18 months or so. The most important, obviously, was the first half of this year. And like I said, next year, it should be around $25 million. In the following year -- I mean, the next semester will be $25 million, and the following year will be lower than the $25 million.

Daniel Major analyst
#40

Okay. That's clear. And then just final question, on the -- what guidance could you give for the effective tax rate in 2020?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#41

The effective tax rate?

Daniel Major analyst
#42

For the full year.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#43

Okay. Unfortunately, the effective tax rate has become very volatile. For example, if you look at the first half of 2019, you would see that it was a positive tax. That means it was actually added to the pretax profit. While as in 2019, we had the opposite behavior of the exchange rate. We had a revaluation. So it's very difficult to predict where that effective tax rate is going to end up. It will depend on the behavior of the exchange rate. But assuming it stays more or less where it is right now, then the effective tax rate for the full year that we are expecting is the 48.5% that we recognized in the first half. And for the following year, if the exchange rate doesn't change at all, then we would be very close to the 30%, which is the statutory rate. But again, that's very difficult to try to predict.

Operator operator
#44

The last question from the audio is a follow-up question coming from the line of Alan Spence from Jefferies.

Alan Spence analyst
#45

Kind of building off of one of James' questions earlier. It's around very healthy gold and silver prices right now. If we assume these continue into 2021, and you've got the increase in production that points to a fairly healthy free cash flow generation. After CapEx and exploration, how are you thinking about capital allocation? Do you want to return to a very aggressive net cash position? How are you balancing the potential of increased shareholder returns? Or just like how you're thinking about some of that in the future years?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#46

Well, we want to maintain and be consistent with our principle of balancing returns to our shareholders with growth of the company. And we've been very confident in saying that 50% of our profit will be reinvested in the company and 50% of our profit will be returned back to our shareholders via dividend. However, if we start to build up a high cash balance due to very favorable prices, and let's hope that, that actually happens, then probably, in that scenario, we would consider paying extraordinary or special dividends. And again, we're not going to rush any decisions in terms of investing in projects unless they meet our investment criteria. And in addition, I think we, in page number 39, we talked about the Orisyvo project. It's an idea for 400 -- in the scoping and prefeasibility and PEA that we have, $430 million to be deployed probably in 2 years. Rodeo, it's a project that we are trying to match with the closure of Noche Buena. It's about a similar size to Noche Buena in terms of the possibility of production per year of gold. But as we close Noche Buena, we can use the trucks and the equipment that we have in Noche Buena, so that would be -- we can lower the CapEx for Rodeo, that would be the idea. So we would need -- so we have these additional needs in terms of CapEx to what Mario mentioned if Orisyvo and Rodeo advance feasibly.

Alan Spence analyst
#47

And what would be the cash balance and the net debt position where this discussion around extraordinary dividends would occur?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#48

Can you repeat that question, please?

Alan Spence analyst
#49

Yes. You mentioned if the cash generation was very good and you generated a very significant cash balance that then you would consider an extraordinary dividend. What is the cash balance or net debt level where you would then start to have that conversation?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#50

Well, obviously, it's a decision that will be made by the Board of Directors. But we, as management, would feel very comfortable with suggesting perhaps to the Board to consider a special dividend if our cash balance -- our net cash balance would be higher than $800 million or $900 million. At that point in time, definitely, we think it would be advisable to our Board to consider perhaps a special or extraordinary dividend.

Alan Spence analyst
#51

Sorry, just to clarify, was the $800 million to $900 million a cash balance or net cash balance?

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#52

Net cash balance. So that would mean -- yes. No, sorry. No, no, no. $800 million flat, without considering -- not netting it out of the debt that we currently have, the $800 million that we have issued in bonds.

Operator operator
#53

That was our last question for today. So I'll hand back to you for concluding remarks. Thank you.

Octavio Alvidréz executive
#54

Okay. Thank you very much all. If you have further questions, as usual, we have London Office and Gaby Mayor as well and our contact with ourselves as well. Thank you all for listening. Bye now.

Operator operator
#55

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