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Keppel Infrastructure Trust (A7RU) Earnings Call Transcript

July 28, 2026

SGX SG Materials Chemicals earnings 51 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Marilyn Tan executive
#1

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the KIT First Half 2026 Results Audio Webcast. I'm Marilyn from the IR and Sustainability team. Joining me today from the KIT management team, CEO, Mr. Kevin Neo; CFO; Mr. Raymond Bay; and Director of Portfolio Management, Mr. Tan Jun. They will cover KIT's first half 2026 highlights and business strategy, followed by business performance across the portfolio and close with capital and balance sheet. Please leave your questions for the Q&A session at the end of the presentation. For analysts who are joining us on the MS Teams platform, please check that you're on mute throughout the presentation. For those joining us online via the webcast platform, please type your questions via the chat box. I will now hand the time over to Kevin for the presentation. Kevin, please?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#2

Thanks, Marilyn, and good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. As the largest SGX-listed infrastructure business trust for enterprise value. We own and manage a portfolio of essential infrastructure assets across energy transition, environmental services, distribution and storage and digital infrastructure, valued at approximately SGD 9.4 billion, as at 30 June, 2026. To date, we achieved total returns of circa 13%. Over the past decade, KIT had delivered total returns of 136%, demonstrating our ability to create value across market cycles, underpinned by a strong track record of over 19 years of infrastructure investment and management. KIT's key achievement during the first half include the following: first, DI before divestment gains increased by 1.2% year-on-year to SGD 101.1 million, despite the fuel cost under recovery for City Energy. We are declaring a 1H 2026 DPU of SGD 1.99 cents per unit, maintaining our commitment to deliver sustainable distribution to unitholders. Second, we continue to execute on our capital recycling strategy. To date, approximately 80% of the net proceeds from divestments had redeployed into 2 accretive acquisitions, namely the acquisition of a 46.7% stake in GMG and the follow-on acquisition of KMC, which increases our stake in KMC to 90%. Third, capital management remains a key strength. We have successfully secured 100% of FY 2026 refinancing requirements ahead of maturity. Interest coverage ratio has improved to 8.3x, reflecting the strength of our cash flows and disciplined financing approach. Finally, we are heartened that the positive unit price performance and the consequent total returns of over 13% in the first half of the year, reflects continuing investor confidence in our strategy, portfolio quality and execution capabilities with ongoing Middle East conflict, direct exposure is limited. And more importantly, we have not experienced operational disruptions across our assets. For AGPC, there's been no disruption to gas supply or operations. Across the portfolio, most businesses operate under long-term contracts and benefit from cost pass-through mechanism. While higher fuel and energy prices may create temporary under recoveries, particularly for City Energy, these effects are generally recoverable over time. At this stage, we remain comfortable with the resilience of portfolio cash flows and continue to monitor developments closely for any second order effects. Our investment strategy remains focused on sectors, supported by strong structural tailwinds of energy transition, rapid urbanization and digitalization. These themes are expected to require significant long-term capital investments and create attractive opportunities for KIT. Our focus is on owning essential infrastructure assets and businesses with good cash flows in developed markets, where regulatory frameworks are stable and predictable. Combined with Keppel's operating capabilities and ecosystem, this provides a strong foundation for sustainable growth. We apply a disciplined investment framework when evaluating opportunities. Our focus is on assets that provide essential products or services, generate stable and growing cash flows, offer attractive risk-adjusted returns, our DPU accretive, possess high barriers to entry and have either evergreen characteristics or long asset lives. This framework of acquisition and asset management decisions and directly supports our goal of delivering sustainable distributions and total returns. Next, a key feature of KIT's strategy since 2019 has been active portfolio management. Through disciplined acquisitions and capital recycling, we have constantly replaced earnings from maturing concession assets. With earnings from businesses that offer stronger growth prospects into the long term. As a result, portfolio DI has grown at an 8.5% since 2018. In FY '25, approximately 51% of distributable income was generated by evergreen assets, as compared to 29% in FY 2018. This strengthens the sustainability and quality of our earnings base. Beyond acquisitions, active asset management remains a significant source of value creation, across businesses such as City Energy, IXOM, Ventura. Management teams look to deliver continued EBITDA growth through initiatives, including new revenue streams, bolt-on acquisitions, productivity improvements, technology adoption, including AI, organizational optimization and cost management initiatives. This focus on operational excellence enhances cash flow and supports long-term value creation for unitholders. Looking ahead, our priorities remain unchanged. Our objective remains on achieving sustainable DPU growth and higher total returns for unitholders. First, continued disciplined investment and capital recycling, focusing on assets aligned with our target growth segments. Second, drive operational excellence and pursue margin improvement opportunities through cost optimization and revenue enhancement for our evergreen businesses. Third, maintain active capital management to support stable distributions and future growth. We have already deployed approximately 80% of divestment proceeds, and we'll continue to evaluate opportunities for the remaining capital. Lastly, these key priorities position us well to navigate near term uncertainties, while staying focused on our objectives to deliver long-term value to unitholders. I think with that, I'll hand over to Jun Da for 1H 2026 business updates to the KIT portfolio.

Tan Jun Da executive
#3

Thanks, Kevin. I'll take you through the KIT portfolio business updates in the next few slides, City Energy delivered stable operating performance during the first half. Gas consumption remained stable, supported by continued adoption of residential gas water heaters, which helped offset softer visitor arrival trends. While the Middle East conflict resulted in fuel cost under recovery during the second quarter, active management actions and cost optimization measures helped contain the impact. Looking ahead, management will continue to actively manage fuel cost recovery, while staying focused on pursuing growth opportunities and strengthening performance. Moving on to IXOM. The company continued to demonstrate resilience and operational strength in the first half. Core Chloralkali and Traded businesses performed well, supported by healthy customer demand. The team's multi-supplier strategy allowed it to navigate supply chain disruptions arising from geopolitical developments with minimal impact. Management remains focused on driving synergy benefits from recent acquisition, improving productivity and optimizing the portfolio through rationalization of noncore operations. Moving on to Ventura, the company delivered another strong operational performance during the period. For the MBSC business, service reliability remained at 100%, while on-time performance exceeded 90%. Meanwhile, revenue within the government contracted business continues to benefit from contract indexation and network expansion. For the non-MBSC business, Ventura completed acquisition of Crown Coaches in July 2026. This supports the strategy of growing the non-MBSC segment through both organic and inorganic initiatives. On EMK, the company continues to execute its strategy of enhancing profitability, while expanding its innovation capacity. For landfill, pricing remains flat from first quarter and management has maintained pricing discipline to preserve long-term value of the business. In incineration, management continues to focus on improving incineration pricing mix and efficiency. Looking ahead, Phase 1 of the incineration expansion has commenced and is expected to complete by the end of 2026, creating an additional growth driver for the business. Lastly, on GMG, the company continues to perform in line with expectations, following our investment. The fleet remained fully utilized throughout the period, supported by long-term maintenance and charter contracts that underpin recurring cash flows. Management is also progressing with vessel expansion plans to support future growth. Across our remaining portfolio assets, performance remains stable. KMC achieved 100% contractual availability and following our recent acquisition, KIT now owns 90% of the asset. All contractual obligations with the regulators were met for the Singapore Waste & Water Assets and management continues to pursue potential opportunities for concession extensions. AGPC continues to operate normally with no supply or operational disruption within renewables. BKR2 benefited from stronger wind conditions, driving significantly higher generation compared to the prior year. Overall, these assets continue to provide diversified and resilient cash flows, that support distributions. I will now hand the presentation to Raymond for the financial and capital management of KIT.

Teong Ming Bay executive
#4

Thank you, Jun Da. Moving to next page, turning to the financial performance. Total asset FFO increased 14% year-on-year to SGD 200.5 million. The growth was mainly driven by stronger contributions from the energy transition and distribution and storage and the Digital segment. After maintenance CapEx and debt repayments, the total asset DI remained resilient at SGD 147.5 million. At the trust level, distributable income was SGD 101.1 million, net of corporate costs. Excluding last year's divestment gain, distributable income for first half 2026 increased by 1.2% year-on-year, highlighting the resilience of the underlying portfolio. Moving to next page. The consolidated debt for KIT increased slightly to $3.28 billion, as at 30 of June 2026 compared to 31 December 2025. Net gearing increased to 44.2% from 31 December 2025. This is mainly due to reduced cash position, post distribution paid in February and the deployment of capital in the acquisition of an additional 39% stake in KMC. Nonetheless, the net gearing ratio does not reflect the fair value of KIT's asset and remains within our targeted range, providing meaningful acquisition capacity. Interest coverage improved to 8.3x from 7.6x, as at last year. The group's weighted average cost of debt is stable at 4.4% a (sic) [ 4.5% ] with some savings at the trust level, achieved through proactive refinancing and disciplined capital management. The portfolio remains well hedged with approximately 77% of debt hedged and nearly 79% of cash flow distribution hedged. Moving to next slide. We had successfully raised SGD 200 million, 7 years MTN funding earlier this year. And therefore, the funding is secured for the December refinancing need. Together with the available committed facilities of approximately SGD 300 million, this position us well from a liquidity and funding perspective. Our capital management priority of maintaining strong liquidity for financial flexibility remains unchanged. This is done through growing cash flows, optimizing financing costs and disciplined capital recycling. I will now hand the presentation back to Kevin for the closing.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#5

All right. Thanks, Raymond. To conclude, the first half of 2026 demonstrated the resilience of KIT's portfolio and the effectiveness of our disciplined investment and capital management approach. We continue to execute the strategy of delivering sustainable distributions and long-term total returns through disciplined capital allocation, active asset management and prudent capital management. Despite the ongoing conflicts in the Middle East, the portfolio demonstrated resilience, supported by the defensive nature of our assets, long-term contracts and diversified cash flow base. We delivered growth in underlying distributable income, while executing on our capital recycling strategy, redeploying 80% of divestment proceeds into accretive opportunities. That enhances the portfolio's long-term growth profile, all while maintaining balance sheet strength and security of refinancing needs. Looking ahead, we remain focused on disciplined capital allocation, active portfolio management and value creation to deliver sustainable returns for our unitholders. Thank you, and we'll be happy to take questions.

Marilyn Tan executive
#6

Thank you, Kevin, Jun Da and Raymond. We will now proceed to the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] May we have the first question, please? Ezien?

Ezien Hoo analyst
#7

I have 2 questions. The first one is on GMG. Just now it was mentioned that this company is expanding their vessels. So, I wanted to know whether there will be any capital cost to KIT, when that happens? And if so, what kind of timing? The second question is Keppel, your sponsor has a number of subsea cables. Wondering whether these cables would fit into KIT's investment mandate? That's all from me.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#8

Yes. So, I think we do see a lot of growth in GMG. I think we mentioned in a couple of calls in our results that we have acquired a secondhand vessel. They are in the process of being repurposed into cable laying vessel, right? And that requires capital from the shareholders, and KIT have funded that using a debt facility. So again, just to be clear, right, GMG has a debt facility at the GMG level, which will be used for funding growth CapEx and so on. To the extent that it requires additional equity from the shareholders, that will be funded by, I think that facility is at a KIT level. So, there should not be any impacts to our operating cash flows and so on. With regards to the submarine cables, I would say that submarine cable is a sector or asset class that KIT now we are very interested in. But of course, my sponsor, Keppel, they're doing very well with project Bifrost. I think they may have recently announced some sale of certain fiber pairs and so on. So, these fiber pairs, we do expect them to be sold on an IRU basis, which basically means that the opportunity set for KIT coming is quite limited, right? However, there are other submarine cables out there, that KIT could look to acquire. And I think as a whole, we are quite interested in the digital infrastructure sector. Submarine cable is just one part of the entire value chain. I think we are equally interested in terrestrial networks, mobile towers and so on, yes.

Ezien Hoo analyst
#9

Just one follow-up question on GMG. So, you mentioned that if it requires capital, it will come from the debt facility. For the debt facility at the GMG level, is it recourse to the shareholders?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#10

No, it's not recourse to the shareholders.

Ezien Hoo analyst
#11

Okay. Thank you.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#12

In terms of sequence of funding, we always look to the business to fund itself, right? And I think when we bought the asset or bought the stake in GMG, we did highlight that there's a lot of growth opportunities out there. And to extent that the debt facilities are not -- insufficient. KIT, we're happy to support debt, because there's a lot of good growth out there in the sector.

Marilyn Tan executive
#13

Thanks, Ezien. Shekhar, your questions, please.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#14

I have 2 questions on City Energy, the first one is on the under recovery. Can I get a sense on when can we expect a full recovery? Will it be in the second half 2026 or does it spill into 2027? The second one is on the SGD 4.5 million property tax refund. Is this a one-off? And if I could understand what should be the clean underlying DI run rate, if I could strip off, let's say, the under recovery in this refund?

Tan Jun Da executive
#15

Yes, so for Citi Energy, I think from our previous -- and as a quick recap, I think the under recovery and over recovery situation depends on actual commodity prices versus the price at which we set the town gas pricing at the beginning of the period, right? So in fact, at the beginning of the quarter, we expected a larger than expected under recovery. However, I think the company has worked on a couple of initiatives to close the gap. So as you can see in the results, the other recovery has been pretty well managed. And to answer your question on the property tax, it's one of the one-off initiative that I think management has worked on to I think offset some of the impact of the cost recovery. As to when the under recovery can be recovered, I think it is a function of commodity prices going forward, right? So, another situation where commodity prices come down over time, we should be able to see an under recovery over a period of time -- over recovery over a period of time.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#16

So Shekhar, yes, the property tax refund is a one-off. We don't expect that it will recur, right? But I think we have to see the whole thing in the entirely, right? We had experienced a certain amount of under-recovery in Q2, right, which is in a way, almost offset by the property refund. So on a clean state basis, I would like to think that in a way, a wash, right? Then for -- as what Jun Da has mentioned, right, whether we will recover the under recovery in the second half, I think that depends on the oil and natural gas price going forward. I think it really -- it's really hard to predict how it will move, because ultimately, these are commodity pricing. But again, I'll go back to the way how tariff price is being set, right? So in the arrangement with EMA, right, let's say for the tariff -- the reference tariff price cost -- natural gas cost is a pass-through in a way to end consumers through a reference price. And the reference price set at the beginning of this quarter, based on the commodity pricing for the previous quarter, right? And if the previous quarter, the pricing is high, then we will enter the quarter with a high reference price that we will use to charge the customers, right? And if during that quarter itself, natural price comes down, then that's when we will go into an over-recovery position. And because the gas price is high in Q2, we entered -- we are entering or have entered Q3 with a relatively high reference price. But whether we go into an over and under recovery position, depends on the actual price of gas at a point in time. But again, this is -- as we have always emphasized, this is just a very mechanical arrangement of passing through the gas price to end consumers. Whilst we may experience over and under recovery in certain quarters, but we do expect to recover them over a period of time, maybe 2 quarters, 3 quarters, thereabouts and so on. So hopefully, this gives you a bit of guidance on the outlook on the over and under recovery.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#17

Okay. Thank you, Kevin. Just a quick follow-up. So how should I look at second half DI for City Energy? I mean you said this property tax refund is a one-off. What else can management do to manage the under recovery?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#18

So -- well I think it's hard to predict whether we go into over and under recovery. But like I said, we ended 3Q with a relatively high reference price. So hopefully, I think Q3, given the uncertainty in the Middle East maybe we might be neutral or slight over -- a slight under-recovery or slight over recovery. So, I think Q3 could be in a neutral position. Then if the situation improves, right, then we could then go into a overrecovery position in Q4, right? But I think the key thing is that this over and under recovery mechanism is what I call a temporal arrangement. We will -- they tend to neutralize over time, right? So hopefully, that can give you a bit more guidance on how we see. In terms of growth-wise, we are always looking to grow City Energy, right? I think we mentioned -- we talked about the gas water heaters. That's an area that we like a lot, looking to really grow our market share over there, which could then lead to more better NPI from City Energy. And I would probably say, again, subject to how things are in the Middle East, I would say the most difficult period for City Energy is probably already over.

Marilyn Tan executive
#19

Rachel from UBS, your question, please?

Rachael Tan analyst
#20

I have 2 questions. So the first will be, what's the average age of your vessel fleet at GMG? So looking ahead for vessel acquisitions, will these primary -- trying to get a sense if these will be primarily used for fleet expansion or fleet replacement? And my second question is going forward, are you looking at larger scale acquisitions or bolt-ons for your existing businesses as well as what sectors will you be targeting?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#21

Yes. I think for GMG, I think maybe I'll just give you a few data points, right? I think the average age of the vessel in the industry is probably about around 30 years, right? I think the average age of GMG vessel is somewhere between 25 to 30, maybe around 27 years mark. I would say our average age is in line with market, maybe slightly younger. The -- this is where I would draw a distinction between GMG and market. The market has placed a number of orders for new vessels, but I would say they are mostly for replacing a vessel replacements, right? Because there are certain players out there with pretty old vessels, aged 30 or 35 and above. They're looking to replace them, right? We don't have any vessels that will be too old or mature in the next 5, 6 years. So the secondhand vessel that I spoke about, that's not vessel replacement. It's actually an addition of vessels to GMG, right? So when it starts operations in end of the year, early next year, then we hope that, that will lead to additional revenue and income and DI from GMG.

Tan Jun Da executive
#22

I think also to supplement, we are quite open to the options of acquiring both existing as well as new build vessels for GMG. I think for existing vessels, although it doesn't really help the fleet age, but it does contribute earnings pretty immediately. And I think the purchase price is also, I think, attractive. In terms of new build, I think, ultimately, we are also opened an option given that you improve the average fleet each for our portfolio vessels. So, I think it's an option that we will consider.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#23

And then I think you also mentioned, are we looking to do larger transaction and bolt-ons? I think the answer to both is yes. To me, they are not mutually exclusive. Given the KIT, I think we'd like to do larger transactions, things that move the needle. And because we want to realize, we have a very focus on value creation, right? And we do realize that when we bolt-ons, there's probably more opportunities for value creation, realization of synergies and so on. So yes, we'd like to do larger transactions. Yes. And yes, we'd like to do bolt-ons for our portfolio companies.

Rachael Tan analyst
#24

What about the sectors you're looking at?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#25

It will be the sectors that we have always mentioned energy and energy transition, energy security, digital infrastructure, environmental services and so on. This, I think, are areas where there is very strong macro tailwinds behind them. And these are also the areas where Keppel has a lot of expertise over there. So, we want to play in areas where there's good growth and where we know what we are doing, we are able to value add and so on.

Rachael Tan analyst
#26

Okay. So back to the question on GMG. So is it a case where like coming in 5 to 6 years' time, for example, then you will have to spend more CapEx to keep the fleet size stable and to -- like to keep running in the same place, so to speak. Is this something that can interpret it as such?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#27

Okay, not quite, right? So, I think when we bought the business, I think the GMG has about 6 vessels. We have acquired a secondhand vessel, that's not for replacing existing vessel. That's an additional vessel. So come end on this year, early next year, we will had 7 vessels to run. We don't have any vessels that have to be phased out or decommissioned in the next 5 to 7, 8 years, right? So -- and we do see a lot of opportunities for growth. We have customers asking us for more vessels. And if we do acquire vessels or commission new builds in the next few years, I'll say those are probably for increasing our vessel size and so on, right? So there's a lot of growth out there. We are trying to grow and of course, if a chance comes up to add vessels, we will announce to the market accordingly. As of now, I think we have -- we are focused on commissioning the refurbishment, so that it can add additional revenues to GMG.

Rachael Tan analyst
#28

Because the concern is that, let's say, we come to 2032, '33 or '34, then becomes a case of like unless you spend CapEx, there's going to be an earnings cliff, as you retire vessels. So, I think I'm looking at it from that angle.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#29

So yes, come -- if you pass forward long enough, they will come a point in time where GMG has to replace vessels, right? And that vessel replacement can be through acquiring and refurbishing a secondhand vessel or doing a new build. And we have been setting aside capital in that events right? But in the immediate and near term, I think we're looking to grow the business.

Tan Jun Da executive
#30

So, I think to supplement Kevin's point, the condition of the vessels are actually very good, right? So there's no need for any retirements in the next 5 to 7 years. So any vessels that we acquired today, if they start contributing earnings, it will be accretive.

Marilyn Tan executive
#31

Thanks Rachel. Next, we have Troy from OCBC.

Troy Cheng analyst
#32

Okay. On Slide 13, regarding City Energy, could you please share more about the cost optimization measures, that were taken?

Tan Jun Da executive
#33

Yes. So for City Energy, I think given the under recovery situation, that we experienced in 2Q, the management team has been quite cognizant about reining in costs this year. So, we are putting in place a couple of initiatives, which will partially offset any impact that we have seen in 2Q, including cost optimization initiatives around marketing, customer acquisition costs, for example. So, these will present themselves throughout the year.

Marilyn Tan executive
#34

Thanks, Troy. Shekhar, back to you.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#35

I have 2 more questions on 2 different business lines. The first one is on BKR2. So, I see there is a strong wind recovery this half. But just trying to remember, I know there was -- there's a feed-in tariff that will step down from October 2026. I think it goes down from EUR 184 to EUR 149. How should we assess the DI impact on this tariff revision, probably on a full year basis? Second is on the first half BKR2, is this a normalized run rate now? Was wind above average, below average? How should we look at this?

Tan Jun Da executive
#36

So Shekhar, I'll answer your first question first. Yes. So, I think you rightly pointed out that there will be a step down of the feed-in tariff in October 2026. And this was part of the information that we had disclosed at the time of acquisition in 2022. So there are a couple of factors to think about as we go into 2027. One is the feed-in tariff, which will step down but there is also an offsetting factor in the sense that the loan amortization will also be reduced. Taking into account these 2 factors, we are expecting about a $4 million impact on a full year basis on DI.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#37

Okay. And for the first half, is this like a normalized run rate now for your wind? Is it above, below long-term average? What are you looking at it?

Tan Jun Da executive
#38

Again, I think the first half wind was stronger year-on-year. Again, I think wind is something, which is -- has been quite unpredictable over time now. So I'll put it as that.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#39

Okay. Okay. Just one more on your Ventura business. There's a Crown Coaches has acquired like double its fleet, 150 more charter buses. This happened in July 2026. How should we expect the annualized DI impact? And what kind of multiple did you pay for this acquisition?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#40

I think for Crown Coaches, okay, I forgot the EBITDA, but I think it was quite a very attractive levels. I think I'll just reported 6x EBITDA. We're buying at just below book value. So, I think that was a very good opportunistic acquisition by Ventura. We intend to use debt to grow our non-MBSC business. So, I think we have always said that Ventura is very strong in Victoria with the MBSC business. We want to grow the non-MBSC business. And we see that as a very good platform to also jump start the growth over there.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#41

Okay. And the DI the impact?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#42

A $3-plus million, low single digit to about I think SGD 1 million to SGD 5 million thereabouts, yes.

Shekhar Jaiswal analyst
#43

And that's an annualized rate, right?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#44

That's an annualized rate.

Marilyn Tan executive
#45

Thanks, Shekhar. Perhaps now we can take some questions from the retained cash. First half, could you please explain the drop in environmental services revenue from SGD 25.7 million to SGD 18.5 million? And what is management's plan to maintain and/or grow the performance of this segment?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#46

So, I think the reduction in the environmental service revenue, I think pertains mainly from the decline in DI from, I think SingSpring. So just to maybe backtrack a bit. SingSpring lower concession matured, expired and then we extended it for 3 years. And then the DI contribution of that came down correspondingly, right? Whilst the DI contribution SingSpring came down correspondingly, but it was still nonetheless a much better outcome than what we achieved with instead with lower concession extension, right? And I would say that this amount -- let me just get my thoughts. For SingSpring, when we first did the concessions we never expected within pricing and extension. So if we get any extension, that is always a pure upside to us. And I think that's also how we run or look to run a concession business, right? Whenever the concession is due for maturity, we will always look to enter into discussions with the authorities to extend that, right? And of course, we will make the necessary announcement when we reached any agreement with the authorities and so on. The revenue drop was also partly due to certain debt amortization at KMEDP as well.

Marilyn Tan executive
#47

Thanks, Kevin. The next question is relating to AGPC. Do we have any further debt refinancing at AGPC income?

Teong Ming Bay executive
#48

There is no further debt refinancing, but we do have the scheduled debt amortization at AGPC level. This will start next year, starting next year with the quarterly debt amortization profile -- scheduled amortization profile.

Marilyn Tan executive
#49

Thanks, Raymond. Zhiwei, please go ahead with your questions.

Zhiwei Foo analyst
#50

I have 2 questions. The first question is, can you walk me through your thinking behind why you increased your dividend, despite the fact that you're overall DI including capital gains is lower? Or if you want to remove the capital gains from last first half, it will be flat year-on-year. So, how are you thinking about this payout ratio? The second question is on Ventura. It's probably about 1.5, 2 years before the recontracting. I think the government by now should start calling for tenders and all that stuff. How are you going through this entire process and an update there would be helpful.

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#51

Yes. So, I think on the dividend policy, right, I think first thing, a few points to mention. We look to maintain a very stable DPU payout, right? We are unlike the REITs, where they pay out x percent of DI. We maintained stable DPU, right? And we -- the level of the DPU is based on, I would say, mid- to long-term outlook of what we think KIT can achieve, right? So -- and maybe another way I would put it is that we are -- we like to see ourselves as a total return stock, right, not just a dividend stock, where we pay out every single cents. We like to invest in growth CapEx, which will lead to higher EBITDA, higher DI in the future. So in a way, when growth opportunities came, I think we are happy to use cash flows to help fund the growth CapEx. This, I would say, inevitably will lead to a higher payout ratio, right? But I will say from a long-term perspective, that is probably also good for KIT, because the higher -- the growth CapEx will ultimately lead to higher DI and income for KIT. And number two, I think more importantly is we -- like I said, I keep emphasizing that we take a long-term or even midterm outlook to our DPU, right? We have been -- we sold assets that also resulted in less DI to us, right? There's a bit of under recovery at City Energy in Q2, right? But if you adjust for all this, right, I think we are actually able to support debt payoff. I think in particular, once we reinvest on the divestment proceeds. And we have also a very strong balance sheet, that we will look to also use to acquire new investments, which will also lead to an additional DI for KIT.

Tan Jun Da executive
#52

Now on your second question around Ventura, yes, you are right that the MBSC contracts are coming up. So, renewal and even growth of our existing packages is actually critical and top of mind for management. Also, Ventura has consistently demonstrated that service performance levels are best-in-class amongst the competitor group. Secondly, we have also demonstrated an ability to operate electric buses and then post efficiently. And last but not least, we have managed the labor force without any industrial action very successfully. So, these are some of the factors, which are top of mind for the Victorian government when choosing service providers for the next package.

Zhiwei Foo analyst
#53

Okay. So Kevin, a follow-up question. If you take it that you have a long-term view, you'll be able to grow and expand. I take it that with this higher DPU and in the second half normalization in some of your assets, right, you're suggesting that things will improve materially. What catch-up in the second of '26, be it by DI or asset divestments?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#54

Yes. So, I think maybe I can put it the other way, right? Because we don't pay out x percent of our DI, right? We said, hey, this is the cash flows that my portfolio generates, right? Our gross FFO is actually a lot higher than our required distributions, right? If I want to maintain a very healthy dividend payout ratio, I could switch off all my growth CapEx, right? Then that I'll deliver a very healthy payout ratio. But that also means that I am switching off the growth that I can avail myself to, right? So -- and this is where I think we are trying to strike a balance. We want to got investing growth CapEx that will lead a higher DI into the future, right? And I can use cash to fund them, I can use debt to fund them and so on. So, this is where we are trying to also from a capital management perspective, try to find balance, yes.

Marilyn Tan executive
#55

Thanks, Zhiwei. Do we have any more questions from analysts or also participants in the public webcast? Hi, [indiscernible], please go ahead.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#56

Sorry, am I audible?

Marilyn Tan executive
#57

Yes, yes, we can hear you.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#58

Sorry, because my propone is not really working well. I may actually get cut off. But can I just check in on the -- I have 2 questions. First is German Solar performance in second quarter, was quite -- is a negative in terms of DI. So can we understand, I am just wondering whether this is the right question to ask, why is it a negative in 2Q 2026?

Teong Ming Bay executive
#59

Yes. So, I'll take that first. Second quarter, you see a negative DI, this is because of scheduled debt amortization.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#60

And when is -- how do we actually amortize this in the next few quarters? And how does it actually impact the DI?

Teong Ming Bay executive
#61

Yes, it's being amortized on a semiannual basis. So, if you see quarter-to-quarter, Q1, DI positive. And then Q2, the DI was dropped because of the amortization. Likewise, Q3, you see an increase in DI, Q4 DI will drop because of the amortization. So, this is very similar like how you analyze or you assess the power plant like KMC.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#62

Amount is actually higher year-on-year, as in the negative, it is wider year-on-year, how?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#63

So, I think this is a fair we are going into, right? If you look through all this and on a full year basis, we should see an increase in contribution from the German Solar portfolio. So, there's a bit of seasonality in terms of amortization within a year from quarter-to-quarter, but full year basis, you should see a higher increase in DI.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#64

Okay. And also just wind farm FFO down Q-on-Q, first half?

Teong Ming Bay executive
#65

Which wind farm you're talking about?

Unknown Analyst analyst
#66

Sorry, this is just -- maybe I'll just take this offline, sorry.

Tan Jun Da executive
#67

I think maybe just to give you some color, usually, there's a bit of seasonality in wind production between winter and summer months, but I think we can take this offline.

Teong Ming Bay executive
#68

There is some debt amortization at BKR2, if you are looking at quarter-to-quarter, yes.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#69

I have many more questions.

Marilyn Tan executive
#70

Before, I go to the question on the -- we have one more question. Do we expect a sequential benefit from the Aussie dollar to your DI, based on your current FX distribution hedge?

Teong Ming Bay executive
#71

Yes. So, we have seen the recent hedges that we have entered into for our Aussie dollar cash flow hedge. The rate has gone up. So over time, if it's beneficial to us. But likewise, on Monday, MAS has tightened the Sing dollar has also strengthened as well. So, I checked this morning, AUD is still remains strong. Spot is about 0.9 at this point in time. This is because of the U.S. dollar weakening after President Trump has halt the attack on Iran for the last 2 days. So yes, to answer your question, we do see a AUD strengthening. We do see the benefit to our DI.

Marilyn Tan executive
#72

Thanks, Raymond. We have about 10 minutes left before the conclusion of the webcast. Just reaching out to see if there are any final round of questions from both analysts as well as public who have dialed in. [indiscernible] please go ahead with your question.

Unknown Analyst analyst
#73

Yes, [indiscernible] here. So my question is on EMK. So just wondering, would there be any improved performance given capacity expansion is expected to be completed in 2026 and given that capacity is expanding in the incineration business there and ASP is trending upwards. So will we see any improved performance in EMK?

Tzu Chao Neo executive
#74

Yes. So, I think a couple of parts, right? I think let's focus on the incineration business. The ASP in the incineration business has always been strong in the last couple of years. We have been operating at full utilization or 100% utilization. So one of the ways that we are trying to grow it is to undertake an expansion, right, at one of our incinerators. I think it has really started, probably going to end sometime this year or early next year. That will basically means there will be more ASP -- more capacity for us to sell. That should then correspondingly lead to an increase in revenue and DI for us. Of course, in the meantime, for this year, you'll probably see some weakening of contribution from EMK, because the plan is in a way, shutdown or part of the plant, not the entire plant. Because we have one -- we are doing expansion at one of the plants, and part of it will be shut down for the expansion. So, I think in the next 6 months, there will be a bit of a lower contribution, but that should resolve itself come once the effect is completed.

Marilyn Tan executive
#75

Thanks, [indiscernible] I think we have time for perhaps one more question from the floor, both analysts and public, if you have any? Now, it seems like there are no further questions. That being the case, then perhaps we will end the public webcast. Thank you -- a big thank you to everyone for making the time to attend. Thank you so much. Bye.

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