BSR Real Estate Investment Trust (HOMUN) Earnings Call Transcript
November 6, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Good morning, everyone. I'm Tina, and I'll be serving as your conference operator for today's call. Right now, I'd like to extend a welcome to all of you joining the BSR REIT Third Quarter 2025 Fiscal Results Conference Call. <<operator_script>> At this point, I'll hand things over to Spencer Andrews, Vice President of Investor Relations and Marketing. Sir, the floor is yours.
Thanks, Tina, and good morning to all of you. Welcome to the BSR REIT conference call, where we'll be discussing the financial results we posted for the third quarter that ended September 30, 2025. Joining me today are our CEO, Dan Oberste; our Chief Financial Officer, Tom Cirbus; and our Chief Operating Officer, Susie Rosenbaum — all of them will be available to take your questions once our prepared remarks are done. Before we get started, I'd like to remind listeners that some statements on this conference call concerning future events are forward-looking in nature. All such information carries risks, uncertainties and assumptions that might cause actual results to differ materially. We will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we consider useful supplemental information regarding our financial performance. For further details, please see the cautionary statements on forward-looking information and the description of our non-GAAP financial measures in our news release and MD&A dated November 5, 2025. Dan, over to you.
Thanks, Spencer. For BSR, the third quarter was a real turning point: the REIT finished redeploying its capital halfway through the quarter, kept integrating the assets we recently acquired and, frankly, pushed through a leasing market that was softer than most people expected. Even with some ongoing headwinds in the macro operating environment, the REIT's capital allocation and stewardship have set our unitholders up for growth ahead. The results will speak for themselves, as they have many times before when we've made similar capital allocation decisions. The latest example is our cancellation of roughly 20 million units, or 39% of the REIT's outstanding units, since 2022. Along those lines, same-community NOI rose 2.7% in the third quarter versus Q3 of last year. Same-community weighted average occupancy came in at 94.3%. Our retention rate was 58.2% at quarter end, another 80 basis point increase from 57.4% at the close of Q2. Leasing momentum at the Austin lease-up Aura 35Fifty carried on, with occupancy hitting 86.6% at quarter end, up from 59.7% at the end of Q2. We also saw continued green shoots on the rate side. Blended same community rental rates were up 0.4% over prior leases — the first increase in blended rental rates since the third quarter of 2024.
During the quarter, we bought The Ownsby for $87.5 million. The Ownsby has 368 apartment units and sits in Celina, a Dallas suburb. Celina ranked as the fastest-growing city in the U.S. in 2023, and it added another 19% over the 12 months that ended July of 2024. Our business fundamentals cannot be disputed, even if they are taking somewhat longer to percolate than we first expected; supply will leave the picture in a meaningful way in the relatively near term. As I noted last quarter, CoStar and a number of other data providers have revised their forecasts for new deliveries between Q4 '25 and '27, and that should eventually bring more elasticity and pricing power to our apartment units. So we see this as only the start of a stretch of steady rental rate growth. Beyond rental rates, we have meaningful internal growth opportunities ahead of us, thanks to the going-in occupancy of the assets we acquired in 2025. As our team stabilizes these new properties and optimizes our existing best-in-class Texas portfolio, unitholders stand to gain. I'll now ask Tom to walk through our third quarter financial results in more detail. Tom?
Thanks, Dan. Management's expectations were met by our operational performance in the third quarter, since our blended trade-outs kept improving and, as Dan pointed out, went positive during the quarter. Blended rates rose 40 basis points in Q3, following declines of 3.2% in Q1 and 0.7% in Q2. It's clear the market's absorption of prior deliveries is now showing up in our results. On a broader level, same-community revenue for the REIT came to $26.5 million in Q3 2025, down 1% versus last year. The main cause was the negative trade-outs we saw through the third quarter, which produced a 1.2% year-over-year drop in average monthly in-place leases. That decrease was partly offset by higher other property income, which came from greater resident participation in our credit building service, more utility reimbursements, and more properties receiving valet trash service than a year earlier. We're delighted that these internalization activities are helping to drive results, and we see it as a case study of the value-add potential built into our portfolio. Notably, several such internalization activities exist, among them expansions of our valet trash and bulk Internet initiatives, and these will deliver meaningful acceleration to anticipated organic growth, starting to show up in 2026 and beyond.
For Q3 2025, same community NOI came in at $14.4 million, which is up 2.7% versus Q3 2024. The main reason same-community NOI accelerated was a 5% reduction in same-community expenses, and the biggest factors there were a $0.6 million drop in real estate taxes and a $0.2 million drop in property insurance. Below NOI, G&A got better by roughly $0.1 million, or about 5%, and net finance costs fell 2.7%, mostly because of our net paydown of debt following the disposition and acquisitions activity we did in 2025. All in, FFO for Q3 was $0.19 per unit, versus $0.23 per unit a year ago. On an AFFO basis, total AFFO per unit was $0.17 per unit, versus $0.21 per unit last year. The year-over-year drops in FFO and AFFO per unit come mainly from: one, the time lapse in redeploying proceeds from our dispositions into new acquisitions; and two, the occupancy concentration of our development and new acquisitions, which we expect to stabilize to levels similar to our same community properties in the coming quarters. Also, in the third quarter, the REIT declared cash distributions totaling $0.14 per unit, which is a 2.5% increase year-over-year. Moving to our balance sheet. As of September 30, 2025, the REIT's debt to gross book value was 51.3%.
That comes to $726.6 million in debt outstanding, carrying a weighted average interest rate of 4.0%, and 99% of that is either fixed or economically hedged to fixed rates. Turning to liquidity, total liquidity stood at $63.4 million as of September 30, which includes cash and cash equivalents of $6.6 million plus $56.8 million available under our revolving credit facility. As always, we can generate additional liquidity by adding properties to the facility's current borrowing base. In the quarter, we amended our 3.27% $105 million interest rate swap, bringing the fixed interest rate down to 3.1% and pushing the counterparty optional termination date out to January 1, 2027. Keep in mind, as I noted last quarter, we've seen some material changes to our derivative book this year, since we were called out of in-the-money swaps. So ongoing finance costs will reflect the higher cost of replacing these derivative instruments, which is particularly evident when viewed on a per unit basis. But as a reminder, when we launched this program, our use of swaps to hedge interest rate exposure was laddered by design. We continuously monitor and adjust various hedges, with the goal of achieving the best cost of capital for the REIT.
To wrap up, our operating and financial results are still being shaped by property acquisitions completed quite recently, lease-up activity, and swap replacements. Given how many elements are in motion, we are keeping our suspension of more detailed annual guidance in place for now. At this point I'll hand things back to Dan for his closing remarks.
Thanks, Tom. With the holidays nearly upon us, let me take a moment to remind everyone that for the REIT, 2025 has been a year of transformation. At highly attractive prices, we sold 10 apartment communities that were fully stabilized to best-in-class buyers, which once again underscores how accurate our NAV really is. In turn, those 10 stabilized communities have been exchanged for recently developed assets carrying greater embedded growth potential, while our relative concentration in Houston has gone up. Through the acquisitions of Ownsby and Venue Craig Ranch in Dallas, Forayna Vintage Park and Botanic Living in Houston, and the lease-up of Aura 35Fifty in Austin, we have now brought a tremendous new cohort of assets into the REIT. These new communities will help us take advantage of improving market fundamentals and produce sustained cash flow growth, which results in increased value for unitholders. Now that our 2025 disposition proceeds have been redeployed, that doesn't mean we're out of the acquisition business. As always, we keep examining acquisition opportunities in markets where the external growth environment is improving. That said, taking unnecessary risks with our investors' capital is not the business we're in. With that in mind, we want to see a future return profile that exceeds our weighted average cost of capital.
Before we finish, I want to point out that BSR was just recognized as one of the best places to work in multifamily — the fourth year in a row. That's a huge accomplishment, and it reflects the culture and the team we've built at BSR as we get ready to mark our 70th year in the real estate business. Our management platform is something we're proud of, and we strongly believe it's the secret sauce that attracts the best team in the business. That's the end of our prepared remarks this morning. Tom, Susie and I are happy to take your questions now. Operator, please open the line for questions.
<<operator_script>> Our first question comes from Tom Callaghan of BMO Capital Markets.
Perhaps to kick things off, it's good to see blended lease spreads come in positive this quarter. I was just wondering whether you could give a bit more detail on how those spreads progressed and what you observed in the market across the quarter, since I think that does suggest some slowing relative to the July levels you mentioned on the prior call.
Absolutely, glad to take that one. As you know, there are 2 levers available to us for getting the most cash flow out of the portfolio. Those levers, of course, are occupancy and rate. What we did was push rates during both July and August. Then occupancy came down a bit in September, which was expected given that kids are back in school and fewer people are out searching for an apartment. So some seasonality is mixed in there, which is entirely normal. We remain at that 94% to 96% occupancy, which, as I've mentioned previously, is our sweet spot.
Understood, that's useful. Honestly, that was going to be the very next thing I asked about, specifically around that push versus pull dynamic when it comes to occupancy and rate. What's your thinking there as we head into Q4 and 2026?
Yes. I mean, I’ll step in here, and Tom, we’re actively working through all the budgeting items right now. So let me say this: it’s one of those situations where the data providers — we could sit here and cite them to you — are all over the map. And I’m not sure that would be a productive exercise. Our top data providers and our internal team are working through it in real time. So we don’t have a strong forward-looking answer on that. What I would tell you is that at our Analyst Day in December, we plan to give you more detail there. So let me defer to then.
Alright, that sounds good, and I’m looking forward to it. Perhaps one final question from me concerns capital allocation. Dan, you noted in the press release that the 2025 disposition capital has now been fully redeployed. So in that context, how should investors view your strategy for capital allocation really over the coming 12 months? And part of that is balance sheet leverage. Are you comfortable with the current level, or do you have a kind of target in mind?
Yes, Tom, we're happy with the players we currently have on the field within our portfolio. We acquired the 5 assets mentioned in our prepared remarks, and what you're seeing is the performance and, in some cases, the lease-up expectations — in Austin, surpassing our lease-up velocity expectations. And in other cases, leasing up pretty much as we underwrote and expected. I believe the team's focus right now should be on the occupancy potential from here forward and its potential to generate revenue. That's priority #1. And our investors are fortunate because that's something we've been doing for going on 70 years. So we feel quite confident that we'll be able to obtain the revenue generated from those lease-ups. When we think about additional acquisitions, step one is we always underwrite our properties on their return on fair market value, and we rank them from 1 to 26%. If we see a rotation opportunity, I think you've seen us take advantage of those opportunities in the past. Number two, if we see there's an opportunity to deploy capital through leverage, equity or other creative means to drive a higher return for our investors. I think you've seen us work in creative and predictable patterns in the past to deliver those returns.
Returning, though, to the portfolio we hold at present — the squad we've got out there is one we're happy with. Those 5 new players added to our team this year are ones we're pleased about. From an operational standpoint, I believe we carry out what we're set up to carry out, namely serving as a manager, and that, I think, is the way we can maximize returns. We have no near-term intentions of drawing on credit to make acquisitions, and neither do we have near-term intentions to rotate, I'd say, through the end of the year. As the year gets closer or should anything shift within our portfolio, we would certainly seize rotation acquisition opportunities along with other opportunities powered by one or all means of capital.
Kyle Stanley with Desjardins is up next with a question.
Turning back to the leasing spread topic for a moment. Seeing the gain on the new leasing side in Austin was encouraging. Could you speak to what might be behind that Austin improvement? Is it the lease mix? Is it perhaps that there's less competition in the market right now? I'd love your thoughts on that.
Absolutely, Kyle. So to be precise, Austin — for the first time in some time, the overall share of properties giving concessions edged down a bit. And that, of course, explains why we could raise rates somewhat further in Austin compared with prior periods. Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston showed precisely the reverse. In Dallas and in Houston, concessions actually rose marginally when it comes to properties that offer them.
Okay, that’s great. Moving on — I believe Tom brought up the forward view and the possibility of giving us an update at the Investor Day. At that time, should we expect annual guidance for ’26 to be provided, or at least a return to giving annual guidance for the year ahead?
Absolutely, Kyle — it's definitely our plan to restore annual guidance down the road. We'll offer some forward-looking views in December, though how extensive that will be is still to be determined, but we're certainly heading that way.
Okay. Perfect. And then this is my final question. Dan, you brought up the lease-up opportunity at the assets you recently acquired and noted that it's a major focus today. On average, what would in-place occupancy be right now at those 5 newly acquired assets, or the 5 new assets in the portfolio? And how fast do you expect stabilization to happen over the coming several months or quarters?
Yes. So I’ll give it an initial try, and then ask Susie to fill in more nuance and specifics. Ordinarily, when we underwrite — well, to begin with, where do those assets stand at present? Occupancy across each of those 5 properties will be greater now than it was on September 30, when we reported those figures. We perceive upside in occupancy going forward, and we can assign a value of roughly $4.5 million of revenue in 2026 to that. As for the margin on which that revenue lands, it will naturally be higher. I mean, it stands to reason that the top end of your stack carries a substantially higher margin than the first lease you sign. Whether that margin is 65%, 75%, or 80% is what we are working through right now on an incremental basis, as you can appreciate the difficulties involved in rotating assets and then giving guidance on lease-ups. Some — well, all of them are surpassing our expectations regarding occupancy and leasing velocity. Did that address the first part of your question?
It did. I suppose there's just one thing to clarify. That $4.5 million in revenue—that comes on top of what's already being produced today once lease-up happens, right?
Right, that adds to what we're likely showing for the September figures. What we're looking at there is occupancy. I won't call it low-hanging fruit, since leasing apartments isn't easy — it takes specialized work. Still, for our team it counts as low-hanging fruit, because that's their daily job. Occupancy arrives when, as Susie said before, you've got the product. Susie, is there anything else you'd like to add to that?
Yes. Just — yes, as you mentioned, those assets finished the quarter at 90% occupancy. But like Dan said, that doesn’t mean they were at 90% throughout the whole period. So there’s plenty of upside for us to capture there. I do want to note, though, that we expect 3 of those assets to reach stabilization on the occupancy front by year-end, while the remaining 2 would get there in the first half of next year. But we have 2 chances to benefit. What’s key to keep in mind is that occupancy comes first, but after that we still need to — or get to — work through burning off concessions, and that will lift rental revenue as well.
Sairam Srinivas from Cormark Securities is the next one we'll be hearing from.
When you look at the acquisition market, you've clearly been active there. Compared with what you'd likely have seen 6 to 8 months earlier, are you now actually seeing more participants coming into these assets?
My view is that the market for acquisitions looks fairly healthy right now. The same kinds of players active 6 to 8 months ago are still the ones participating today. It's really a mix of all the usual parties coming together. Over the last 6 months, I haven't seen any meaningful shift in what kind of buyer is involved, but I'd also like to hear what Dan thinks.
No, I believe Tom covered that really well. What I'd add is that opportunities keep showing up in the acquisition market. And when you look at how the interest rate curve has moved—from a curve that was historically flat across the last year, or 18 months, or 5 years, depending on how you count it—toward some volatility when you look out on the forward interest rate curve, that volatility opens up opportunities to finance a risk against a desired return. We see a better outlook next year, the year after, and the year after that, all the way through '28, just in terms of the fundamentals of cash flow and how well properties in our business can deliver that cash flow. We don't believe—and I know our investors can share this view—we don't believe the markets are correctly underwriting the revenue potential and the net operating income upside that this sector will probably generate, and we understand that. Our private partners in the market who are trying to sell their projects right now—for the most part, those who are selling face difficulty, and they carry somewhat higher leverage—well, considerably higher leverage than we do and than other public REIT participants do.
That increased leverage, along with the heavier interest burden, definitely makes things difficult when a private developer tries to generate the cash flow they had underwritten. Beyond leverage, though, I'd say on operations — if I look at many of our operating partners, once you take interest rate out and take cap rate out of their underwriting in '21, they're seeing pro forma net operating incomes that match what they expected their developments to deliver. What I think our private sellers are running into today is the cap rate being applied to that cash flow stream, that net operating income they underwrote. It isn't that cap rates have climbed past — I think our NAV does a great job depicting the market cap rate for the market. The issue is that the expectations back in '21 and '22 for those private developers who raised private capital weren't a 5.1% or a 5.2% exit cap. They're probably closer to a sub-4 cap. So when you build a property and it operates and the trains come in on time and the revenue and occupancy and the net operating income hit your pro forma, but your reversion cap for your investment moved from a 3.9% cap to perhaps a 5% cap, that's a significant deterioration in your sales proceeds.
Like we mentioned during earlier quarters, those developers are running into difficulties, and in certain instances they've made the choice to put their properties on the market. A few of our solid partners have sold us properties that have us genuinely thrilled, both when it comes to the purchase price and on the operational side. Meanwhile, other developers and possible sellers have chosen to refinance that exposure and hold out for improved conditions — a stance I happen to share, since we've just acquired 5 properties and we're seeing the same underlying economics across our markets that those developers see. They may simply be ready to accept a considerable level of risk with the dollars from their private capital investments that, in the public markets, we wouldn't be comfortable taking on from a leverage perspective.
That’s clear, Dan. And perhaps we discussed that supply cliff before and how, basically, after it’s gone, it just drops sharply all the way down. Looking at the market today and what you’re seeing after the quarter, how much time do you think it really takes for all of that supply to ultimately be absorbed and for you to reach that edge where rents could likely begin rising sharply again?
Yes, absolutely. So if the supply that's come online previously gets absorbed at a comparable relative rate to what we've witnessed during this year up to now — which isn't a very long window, Sai — then that's the picture. And let me restate that the initial 9 months of 2024 represented the strongest first 3 quarters for apartment absorption on record, aside from a minor disruption during the post-COVID period. So assuming we observe that identical pace of absorption, then the supply issue can be considered a problem you could mark on your calendar. I believe — and most people believe, I think — that with population growth slowing somewhat, driven perhaps by a national shortfall in international immigration, absorption could taper down slightly going forward, although it will still considerably exceed demand in our markets and many others; absorption is going to surpass supply in these markets for the foreseeable future. So I think you'll likely keep seeing an absorption pace roughly in line with deliveries, matching what you saw during the first 9 months. As deliveries fall by 50% next year and 40% the year after that, you might likewise see absorption decline just a tad next year and just a tad the year after that on a gross basis.
Yet on a net basis, that is a very strong signal, since absorption is poised to exceed supply for the foreseeable future.
That's clear, Dan. My final question is this: if you compare October of last year with what you've observed over the last month, how would you describe the leasing trends? And do you see something like a sustained improvement?
At the moment, my sense is that October is shaping up much the same as what we're seeing in Q3.
The next question comes from Himanshu Gupta at Scotiabank.
Turning to occupancy, it came in somewhat weaker during Q3, and I realize you brought up seasonality. Then, regarding rental spreads, my sense is those came in somewhat stronger. So I'm just curious whether there's perhaps a shift in emphasis toward rents rather than protecting occupancy over the near term?
Yes. As I mentioned before, we deliberately began raising rents during July and August, correct? After that, occupancy dipped a bit in September, which is typical given seasonal patterns, though it likely also reflects our more aggressive pricing approach. There are two levers we rely on to balance cash flow, and we believe the team handles that very well. And provided we remain within what we refer to as our sweet spot—94% to 96% occupancy—we feel we're making the right call.
Understood. Now turning to Houston—and Dallas too, I believe—you said concessions have risen somewhat. Could you say more about that? I mean, does it reflect job growth coming in weaker than anticipated, or is there still some lingering effect from supply?
And as for Dallas, it's largely the North Dallas market, and right now that's a matter of supply. Even so, plenty of people continue to move into those North Dallas markets too. So we're confident it will get absorbed. What everyone keeps asking is simply when that will be over. But that definitely relates to the modest increase in properties there that are offering concessions.
Alright. Alright. That's reasonable. And perhaps my final question would be this: I mean, Houston is the biggest market you have, your largest one. Do you feel comfortable with it remaining your largest exposure market over the medium term? And I realize Houston currently faces fewer supply pressures, but is Houston able to beat other markets on rent growth in the near term, or rather over the medium term?
Absolutely, Sai. When it comes to Houston, both this year and next, our comfort level with our market concentration there is very high. And our stated view in the past regarding future rotations — as shown by our future acquisitions and as shown in Q3 — is that we intend to backfill and grow, likely in Dallas, so we're positioned to capture some mid-market economics, and then in the latter half of '26 as we move into '27 and '28. So the answer — the short answer is absolutely 100% yes, we're incredibly comfortable with Houston right now given this setup. And then again, as you've heard us say before, we get right in the path of growth, and therefore rent increases relative to other markets, along with occupancy and potential residents, and we will always keep our investors' money in that path.
The following question is from Jonathan Kelcher at TD Cowen.
If we return to those 5 new assets for a moment — on stabilized occupancy, that figure is 94% to 96%, is that right?
That's right.
All right. And to reach that point, what sort of concessions are you offering at the moment that you expect will begin to fall away next year once you get to that occupancy level?
Absolutely. So, yes — I’m glad to report that as of October, we are no longer providing concessions on the Aura 35Fifty project in Austin. In Dallas, the offer remains 10 weeks free.
All right, that's useful. And then just one final thing—regarding the drop in same property taxes for this quarter, did that include any one-time property tax rebates? Or was the driver simply lower assessed values?
It's really a mix of the two, Jonathan. We found some chances during the quarter to resolve a number of tax rebate appeals, and we sped up certain of those resolutions. And I believe you've watched us take that approach before. We aim to level out those resolutions where earnings are concerned, but we don't allow that to dominate the outcome. When we spot a chance to resolve things sooner rather than later, we definitely seize it. I'd estimate that at roughly a couple of hundred thousand dollars, or $0.0025 to $0.005, for the quarter. We've discussed that before. So it fluctuates, but by and large it isn't terribly disruptive to how performance looks on an FFO basis.
<<operator_script>> Our following question comes from Jimmy Shan at RBC Capital Markets.
To follow up on how much revenue those 5 newly acquired assets are adding: that $4.5 million of incremental revenue — is it measured against the Q3 run rate, or against what they contributed in 2024 when they were acquired?
Sure, I view that in relation to Q3 revenue. We attempted — we anticipated there might be some inquiries regarding how the acquisition affects a run rate. And we do understand the unevenness of the return we produced in the third quarter. So we truly wanted to convey our — the revenue upside from Q3. That comes to roughly $4.5 million. And to wrap that up, Jimmy, I would prefer an uneven $15 million over a smooth $10 million.
Yes, absolutely. And about those concessions — could you put a number on them too, for those 5 assets? My assumption is that as they phase out, that would come on top of the $4.5 million?
Correct. That $4.5 million simply presumes we place residents into empty units as of today. So there is considerable additional upside — which, sitting here right now, we aren't prepared to put a figure on — on top of that $4.5 million, tied to all the ancillary items Susie's team handles extremely well, including but not limited to the burn-off of concessions, which amounts to a second bite at the apple in roughly 8 to 16 months, or whatever those figures happen to be.
So if I understood that right, in Dallas you're giving roughly 2.5 months of free rent. So we could use that as a rough estimate.
Yeah, Jimmy, I'd say that's a fair point.
Yes. All right. As for leasing spreads and the softer leasing environment, I don’t think you’re the only one seeing that. So can you — yes, there’s some seasonality, some rate push. But what do you think that is attributable to this softer leasing environment?
In our view, macroeconomic volatility is the whole cause of it, and that explains why we held off on acquiring until after April 30, if you consider the point at which we began closing on those assets. So the lukewarm customer reaction at present, which comes from instability in the macroeconomic environment — be it tariffs, be it Federal Reserve banking policy — is tied very much to politics, global politics, and United States politics. I believe all of us have witnessed that. We exercised caution when we chose to buy assets out of the AvalonBay transaction. We are extremely careful with the money of our investors. Our underwriting was done in a highly cautious fashion. So that, I think, may be what is propelling the broader macro environment, yet it does not really catch us off guard relative to our underwriting — our returns versus what we expected.
All right, and apologies — this is the final question. Tom, you brought up all of those swaps. So how should we think about modeling interest expense from here on out?
Yes. So, along the lines of what Dan mentioned before, I want to stress that this is somewhat difficult to do, since the third quarter figures do carry a degree of relative incomparability — keep in mind that we have 2 really — our '25 acquisition class are all in some phase of stabilization, carrying the full expense load and therefore acting as a bit of a drag on earnings. That being said, when it comes to the swap book in general, we've kept watching it. And this quarter we just saw ourselves extend the tenor on one of the cancellation options by another year, and to the benefit of REIT holders through a lower rate.
So if I'm reading that correctly, does this quarter look about right for the next quarter or 2?
Yes, I think that's a reasonable point, Jimmy. That said, our REIT has traditionally followed a stance of roughly 80% hedged to fixed rates, with 20% exposed to the short end of the curve. That is what we've told our investors ever since our IPO. As you're aware, though, during March of '22 and in the quarter that followed, the second quarter of '22, we started raising our fixed debt until hedging reached 100%. Our investors have benefited from the cash flow advantage of that choice over the last 3 years. At this point we see the opportunity as the interest climate softens, and that gives us the chance to reduce our hedging exposure accretively, bringing it back to what we consider fair, roughly 80%, down from where it stands now at 99%. This may add a bit of complexity when forecasting interest expense in Q4 and Q1, but we see any disruption as working in our investors' favor. And we believe that the decision — what to do with $102 million of call options in January and February — will affect Q4 positively, if possible, and Q1 and Q2 positively.
But I think I would model slightly more near-term exposure on our hedges. And I see — we see the chance to do that. And when I say short term, I mean 0 to 2 years, not 30 days.
And with that, everyone, we've reached the end of the question queue. I'll now return the call to Dan Oberste for any additional or closing remarks.
Thanks for joining us, everybody, and we hope the call was useful to you. Should anything further come to mind, our management team is happy to talk whenever it suits you. We're looking forward to greeting some of you at the Investor and Analyst Presentation Day we're holding in early December, around NAREIT in Dallas. If not, enjoy the remainder of the month. Many thanks.
That brings us to the end of today's call, everyone. Thanks so much for joining us. You're welcome to disconnect at this point.
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